Updated: Nate Marquardt vs. Vitor Belfort - Contender Bout Rumored for UFC 109
by Nick Thomas on Dec 1, 2009 6:48 PM EST
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PrintAccording to fightersonlymagazine.co.uk. Here's how the Feb. 6th card is looking so far:
Nate Marquardt (32-8-2) vs. Vitor Belfort (19-8)
Randy Couture (17-10) vs. Mark Coleman (16-9)
Matt Serra (16-6) vs. Frank Trigg (19-7)
Josh Koscheck (16-4) vs. Paulo Thiago (12-1) [source]
Demian Maia (11-1) vs. Dan Miller (11-2-1)
- Rob Emerson vs. Phillipe Nover
- Rolles Gracie vs. Mostapha Al Turk
- Melvin Guillard vs. Ronnys Torres
HT: fightersonlymagazine.co.uk , mma.fanhouse.com
UPDATE [by Kid Nate]: Heavy.com is pouring cold water on this rumor:
Contrary to reports from other sources, Heavy.com learned from sources close to the UFC on Tuesday afternoon that a contender's bout between Vitor Belfort and Nate Marquardt is "not happening".
It seems likely that the UFC approached Belfort involved about the fight as a possibility and Belfort's camp spoke to Fighters Only a little prematurely.
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now it's a pretty decent card
But shouldn’t Serra be headlining? I mean, he is the greatest of all time, what with his 916-6 record. Suck on that, Sugar Ray Robinson!
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
That's actually a really solid card but something tells me
people are gonna complain about it. Hopefully Koscheck can get a win over Thiago this time and Belfort/Nate for the next title shot is awesome
im hoping Thiago stops him again..
that way we’d really have a new WW contender.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 1, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I actually am a fan of Paulo Thiago because he just goes out there and fights whoever the UFC puts in front of him (and Paulo has not had any easy fights). With that said, one can tell that he doesn’t yet have all the tools to be a Welterweight contender, but I would put him in the up-and-comers list with Dustin Hazelett, Ben Saunders, Anthony Johnson, Paul Daley, etc.
I hate to say it but lets see who actually is healthy to fight on this card come february.
by bigc4277 on Dec 1, 2009 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Josh Koscheck v. Paulo Thiago
Really? Do we need to see that again?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I'm sure Koscheck wants to see that fight.
And the list just ended right there.
Well, it’s not a bad match, but I feel like their paths don’t really need to cross again. At least, not yet.
Honestly, and I understand this will not happen, I’d just give Thiago the next title shot in order to make Koscheck v. Hardy happen. Not that Thiago deserves a title shot at this time, but as long as someone is going to lose to GSP, we might as well get a match with a ton of hype as well.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I dunno
It’s the perfect avenue for Kos to becoming a legit contender, something the WW division needs in the worst way, and it’ll probably be a pretty good fight too.
Don’t really see the downside.
Downsides include the fact that it’s a rematch with no money value and, of course, Koscheck could lose again.
Thiago already lost to Fitch, so there remain questions about whether or not he is a legit contender. How exactly does beating Koscheck again indicate that he’s a viable threat to GSP? It doesn’t. It just indicates that he’s better than Josh Koscheck.
Not that you can’t put together GSP v. Thiago is both GSP and Thiago win their next fights, but it’s neither an intriguing match or a money match. If they were to put Koscheck in which just about anyone else, if he loses, well, then he doesn’t deserve the title shot anyway. If he wins, well, he’s got a bit of a name, he can certainly play the heel as I’ve discussed, and his first match with GSP was close enough that you can sell it as a chance to Koscheck to prove how much he’s improved. Granted, GSP has improved since then as well, but that can be conveniently ignored.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
It’s not like it’s a main event or co main event. It doesn’t need to be a big money fight. And it’s a rematch to a fight many would call into question. Lots of people thinking Paulo just got Lucky. This will settle it one way or the other. I don’t really see anything especially negative there.
If Kos loses, that makes Paulo a guy who can beat Kos twice and give Fitch a good, competitive fight. One more win and he’s a contender. True threat or not, he’d still be a legit contender. GSP against a legit contender is a big money fight.
Again, none of that sounds bad to me.
considering how thiago got dominated and controlled on the ground for 3 rounds by fitch I dont see him remotely being a contender. I feel this match is purely to pacify koscheck for not getting a title shot before hardy.
Yeah...
I think we do. You get that ugly little black spot removed from his recent resume and you have Kos lined up as the next challenger for GSP after he runs through Hardy.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
But that is a terrible match for Thiago. Even if he wins he doesn’t really gain anything. And he’s most likely going to lose. Why not build him up slowly instead of throwing him to the dogs?
I mean yeah it gains him something. But does it really gain him more than his first win over a streaking Koscheck did? Or will it gain him more than getting a decent win streak going? Does it gain him more than a first win over maybe a Condit or Daley?
I’d say if he beats Koscheck another win against a top-10 guy would garner him a title shot, beating Condit or Daley doesn’t.
In the welterweight division it would. All it took Hardy was a win over Davis and a win over Swick. Both guys I rate less than Condit or Daley and neither are top ten.
In fairness to Hardy, he also enjoys an undefeated record in the UFC with additional wins over Akihiro Gono and Rory Markham.
If, for example, he had lost one of those along the way (and I know the Gono and Davis fights were close), then we’re not having a discussion about his viability as a contender, because he would not have been in there with Swick.
Of course, had Kampmann not gotten hurt back when, we also would not be talking about Hardy as a contender right now.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
It also...
removes any of the “fluke” doubts about the first win. So yeah…there is value
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 1, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
yes it will..
because it will prove that it wasn’t a fluke.. it will prove that he really is the real deal.
Kos is being groomed to be the next title challenger, and he’s being given a chance to erase that loss on his record, but if Thiago wins again, i don’t care what you think, but It will actually shoot him up the contenders list more than winning over condit or daley.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 1, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Heres how I believe the UFC sees things:
Koscheck = marketable
Thiago = another guy
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Kos would be a contender if he would fight Swick or Fitch
I think it’s a disservice to a fighter with as much promise as Paulo Thiago to simply use him as the welterweight village bicycle to justify other contenderships because the AKA three won’t fight each other.
I am all for handing out Dan Hardy challenger fast passes to anybody who beats one of this trio, and at least one other credible welterweight. Paulo Thiago deserves a chance to show people what he can do against someone on the Condit / Kampmann / Davis / (Swick) / Saunders / Daley tier instead of doing another fake eliminator bouts where the script clearly calls for him to be eliminated.
by LBo on Dec 1, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
come on guys rec this shit
had me laughin my ass off
Welcome to the Machida Error.
by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 2, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see Sonnen vs. Nate Quarry
and Akiyama against someone along the lines of Jorge Rivera or Kendall Grove
I certainly hope Belfort wins. As great as Marquardt has looked since losing to Silva, it’s still tough for me to take him seriously as a challenger to Silva’s title.
For the record, I (foolishly) thought Marquardt would be the guy to beat Anderson Silva when they first fought.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Everytime i see this gif...
I hear the Mortal Combat narrator guy yelling “FINISH HIM!!!” inside my head
i always think this gif is misleading, since Gouveia was already broken by this point. Marquardt was free to open up with some fancy crap without fear of countering.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
It's rated?
He beat the shit out of the guy and it looked cool.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 1, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, but the real victory was the three rounds before it when Marq broke WG into little sad pieces. He was just stunting at this point.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
the only way I see Trigg winning the fight is if he finds Serra making out with Stephanie McMahon backstage and goes into a rage
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Really? I havn't seen anything impressive out of Serra since his (miracle) KO over GSP.
Anything before that I don’t really know about with Serra.
I just can’t envision Serra looking like death the way Trigg did against Kos. I think he’d still lose, but it wouldn’t be such an annihilation. Serra is fairly slick off his back and can land some solid rights if Trigg comes in with a slow shot.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
I like the Nate/Vitor eliminator bout, but for some reason, I just don’t think Vitor is going to get much going in that fight. I like Nate to take a dominant decision.
Does anyone like Vitor in that matchup?
"He hit like a bitch."
I DO...If
Vitor can hadle the weight cut well, than it’s his fight to take. However, I can see Nate getting more motivated for this fight than Vitor.
by SHOGUNROBBERY on Dec 1, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Supposedly Vitor had trouble with the cut against Franklin and he looked pretty good there.
by ufc4 on Dec 1, 2009 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did Vitor look good in that fight? I suppose so- he dispatched of Rich in one round, but to me, the only thing that fight showed (or reminded) us about Vitor is he has killer instict when he’s got someone hurt. Other than that, he (and Rich, in fairness) looked extremely tentative. I just think Nate is going to bring the fight right to Vitor, and as long as he doesn’t get himself in exchanges with Vitor, he’ll put him on his back and lay the down the smash.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s fair when people say a guy didn’t look good when he smoked someone out. He finished a guy that is notoriously difficult to finish. That’s highly creditable in my mind..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I agree. I was trying really hard not to discredit Vitor, and I suppose I still did a bit, but yea, beating Rich in a round is impressive regardless. I agree.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Dec 1, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t look tentative, he looked PATIENT. IMO rich had absolutely nothing for Belfort. It was a worse loss for RF than either A silva fight was.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Although you must admit- the Silva losses were, if nothing else, more physically painful than the Vitor loss.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Dec 1, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
He got clipped behind the ear by a fresh Vitor which allowed Vitor to unload on Franklin while he was stunned (and took a bunch of shots to the back of his head for his troubles). Same thing could easily happen to Marquardt.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
those hands, man, it's just those hands...
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
There’s no way that Vitor makes the same kind of stupid mistake that Maia did in his fight with Nate. While his stand-up has improved exponentially, there’s still no way he is on Vitor’s level. If Nate tries to stand and bang with Belfort, it will be a short night.
All it takes is 1 punch.
Nate makes 1 mistake and the fight is over. This isnt the old Belfort. He needs somehow to take him to the ground without eating a punch. Tough task for him. I say Belfort round 1 knockout
When Paulo Thiago fights I find myself wondering how many grave human rights violations the guy has committed at his day job.
I wouldn't go that far
I saw an american documentary on Rio where they did that (not sure if you’re getting it from there), and that was overly exaggerated and untrue (plus, they wouldn’t do that in front of camera’s). But they (BOPE) do in fact break a lot of human rights violations, I’m against their tactics, but the majority of Rio’s citizens applaud what they do there.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
"they wouldn't do that in front of cameras"
hahahaha
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Lol, the act wasn’t really on camera, supposedly a cop took a thug behind his car and shot him dead (while the camera was rolling, but not showing him actually shooting the thug). I just find that very suspicious of being true for various reason, the cop knew he was being videotaped, it was sunny and there were people around them and there were no cries of outrage, and cops do go to jail here so if he knew he was being videotaped he wouldn’t have done that in real life.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
I just thought it was funny you unintentionally implied “Oh, the cops here know better than to do their vigilante human rights violations in public. It’s always behind closed doors”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
lol
but it’s just common sense that you’d do your evil deeds behind closed doors :P I’m sure this happens throughout the world though, there are corrupt cops everywhere, even the Vatican I’d argue.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
This movie
plus the documentary on Bus 174 make for an interesting cultural exploration of the poorer class in Brazil.
that documentary
was so painfully dull, I had to fast forward to the end! but this movie is the shit though!
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
Yeah he did...
But i hate for two contenders to go away like that…they should have gave Marquardt Sonnen and Belfort somebody on Sonnen’s level
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
Yeah, this is so much better than Silva vs Belfort. That fight was just too soon for me. Now if Belfort gets past Marquardt than that’s another story. Plus if Marquardt wins it just adds more credibility to him being no.1 contender. Good call UFC.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 1, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, they could put together any card they wanted, and as long as it included Couture v. Coleman, I’d happily pay to watch.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I respect the hell out of Paulo Thiago, but the resemblance is uncanny.
"You talk to much, You have to be careful." - Cheick Kongo
@deowade
by Damon O. on Dec 1, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Resemblance to what?
Wasn’t this his entrance the other weekend?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
That’s really unfair, man.
Same The Eagle is no where near as ugly as Paulo Thiago, whose head appears to be rejecting his face.
I mean, look at it. It’s like it’s collapsing into itself like a dying star.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
And at the same time he looks like Sweet-ums.
"You talk to much, You have to be careful." - Cheick Kongo
@deowade
I have a feeling that silva is faking his injury so he doesn’t have to face two back to back tough opponents. he was fine and ready to go a few weeks ago, now his elbow is still hurt. just saying
Kos takes the rematch in devastating fashion and is rewarded with a shitle tot.
Keep firing Assholes!
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arielhelwani Of course, things can change, and the change would make sense, but that is what I’m told.
arielhelwani Sources close to Marquardt-Sonnen fight say that fight is still on and they were even assured of it as recently as today…
What about Henderson though ?
There’s still a chance he’ll resign with the UFC no ? And then he becomes the number one contender at least in my eyes , the only one who beat Anderson in a round and also he beat Belfort..!
Hendo aint resigning at least not any time soon
Dana isnt gonna budge on the contract he offered and Dan sounds like he wont accept it.
I think it’s too soon to call this that’s all , the UFC got into some trouble with people that can headline a show , they might throw Dan some more money . He only has one good match in Strikeforce , I don’t think Strikeforce will want him in those prices.
I still think he’ll be back to the UFC…
both aren’t in their primes to say the least …I think Couture has the better stand up tho and that should be enough . Their wrestling should be about the same , and Couture’s cardio is better. Couture should be a slight favorite tho I wouldn’t be surprised if Coleman hit him and Couture fell , Couture can’t really take a punch anymore
That works out well cuz Coleman can’t really punch anymore.
by ufc4 on Dec 1, 2009 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heavy.com says not happening
Contrary to reports from other sources, Heavy.com learned from sources close to the UFC on Tuesday afternoon that a contender’s bout between Vitor Belfort and Nate Marquardt is “not happening”.
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It seems likely that the UFC approached Belfort involved about the fight as a possibility and Belfort’s camp spoke to Fighters Only a little prematurely.
It seems likely that the UFC approached Belfort about the fight as a possibility and Belfort’s camp spoke to Fighters Only a little prematurely.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
Well im glad i'd rather they both face Silva in 08 and they both just get some tune up fights
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
This would be main event caliber to me
I would be so freaking hyped it’s not even funny. Please Dana, PLEASE make this fight.
Vitor’s hands and ability to keep it on the feet make Marquardt a perfect style to fight. Nate will think he has the hands and stand up to belong infront of Vitor when in reality he is going to realize in round one just like Rich did that Vitor is on another level. Not just a Vitor fan also a huge Anderson and Machida fan but with their pro boxing videos and fight footages I dont know who could think Vitor isnt the best guy on the feet at 185 lbs and possibly also 205 lbs.
Never believed this for a second, Nate is already booked to face Sonnen and be the next contender to the winner of Anderson/Vitor there is no reason to blow that fight up. Anderson is going to face Vitor it’s a lock, all the excuses and bs don’t matter Dana loves the fight and it’s happening anything else is just talk.
Nate is going to smash Sonnen
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