Frank Mir Doesn't Care About the Title, He Just Wants to End Brock Lesnar's Career
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 9, 2009 6:09 PM EST
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"To end Brock Lesnar’s career." he replied instantly. "Really, it’s what I think about all the time. Brock Lesnar exploited a huge weakness in my game and no matter who I crush after this, I have to crush him to show I’ve improved that weakness."
"It’s nothing about how he talked to me in my last fight, I could care less about it. If I took it that personal there are other ways to handle situation like that outside of a cage, but honestly I just want to fix what was exploited. If you’re a true martial artist you don’t do it for money or titles, just to be the best human being possible, and if someone exploits a weakness, who better to see if you’ve fixed it than the guy who exploited it."
"Getting the title back, it’s a nice novel idea, but even being the heavyweight champ or the interim champ, I got to be honest, I didn’t really feel that different walking around… Some people think that with the belt, that you made it. Nah, you didn’t make shit. You won a fight, just the fight happened to have more ribbon and bells and whistles on it. Bottom line, [its about] testing yourself!"
--Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, Frank Mir when asked by Fighters Only about what he wanted to accomplish before retiring.
A future rubber match between the two fighters is certainly possible, but in the mean time, Mir should be thinking more about his UFC 107 opponent, Cheick Kongo.
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weakness
Is he referring to the fact that Lesnar is bigger, stronger, more athletic, and better fighter as his weakness?? I would say that failing to stop those bear paws from making contact with his face is not necessarily a weakness, but a failure to cover up, stop drop and roll, run and hide, get out the way, etc… Be afraid, be very afraid
My dad told me when I was 8 years old, "Never hit a man while he is down... it so much easier to kick him!!!!"
Well you know what Lesnar was also bigger , stronger and more athletic than Couture yet Couture handled Lesnar much more successfully than Mir. Not EVERYTHING relates to size alone , skills are very important. I don’t think Lesnar could do what he did to Mir to Fedor , despite his huge size advantage (I think Lesnar could win , but it’s definitely gonna be a fight. he might even break some sweat).
BTW in Mir’s case tho I really think it’s hopeless against Lesnar , I just don’t agree that size+strength advantage equals immediate loss ALWAYS . In Mir’s case it does though , Mir isn’t that tough imo.
The interesting fight for Mir would’ve been against Nogueira(a rematch) , I’m still hoping they do it.
Is he saying he wants to sub him and permanently destroy a joint in doing so?
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 9, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Classy...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions
Holy shit I can’t breathe, I may have peed myself just a lil.
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by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 10, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, OK Frank
Lesnar was able to neutralize him with his size and strength, what would change next time around? You can’t get a guy in a submission if he is laying flat on you, pressing you against the cage and nailing you in the face with his 5x gloves.
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He could actually do a number of things
1) Improve his wrestling
2) Bulk up, add more lean mass so that he’s not at such a size/ strength disadvantage
3) Keep improving his striking, and use more low- risk, effective strikes like punching combos and leg kicks (which I believe Lesnar is succeptible to), instead of throwing flying knees from 1 leg (IE- not giving up the takedown).
etc.
Frank had his moments in that fight, but first and foremost, he needs to make Lesnar work for his takedowns, mark him up standing, and when/ if he gets taken down he needs to not let Brock get into smothering mode, not let him catch his wrists, and work for submissions/ sweeps. Because I sincerely believe that if Frank could get a good sprawl, or sweep Brock, that he could slap on a choke/ armlock. That’s probably his best chance.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
if you set a leg kick up right, it’s very hard to get taken down. Ask Josh Koscheck if the leg kicks from Alves impeded his takedowns…
Srsly tho, Brock’s reflexes aren’t so quick that he can just drop down the second his opponent decides to throw a kick, you just have to be smart and mix the kicks in with punches, and as a counter to when Brock throws a haymaker and gets off balance.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 9, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Alves has great takedown D though, and Mir doesn’t.. You have a good point, but i don’t think using Alves is the right analogy.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
That's what i'm saying though
by improving his kickboxing and wrestling, Mir could use leg kicks to slow Brock’s shots, and keep him at bay.
It was mainly a response to this in particular:
what would change next time around?
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
The problem is that Mir hasn’t got striking technique to throw hard and fast combinations. He don’t have the timing, footwork, sense of distance. He never did it before and I doubt that he will be successful when he will execute it for the first time.
by dancingChicken on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
Mir just needs to stay the hell out of HALF GUARD
The whole problem with that position is how easy it is to get flattened out in it by somebody big.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Alves is bigger than Koscheck
And Brock is bigger than Frank
by IpullguardIRL on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You might be reading too much into it if you think he’s saying he wants to eliminate Lesnar’s physical ability to participate in the sport by maiming him. He may just mean that he wants to to embarrass Lesnar so thoroughly that Brock leaves the sport.
Regardless, I don’t see it happening in this lifetime.
was that a reply to infeiority?
or to me?
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 9, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I could care less about it.
Couldn’t, Frank, COULDN’T!!!
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by Dave Walsh on Nov 9, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AD reference = auto-rec.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
What’s he so worried about? Right now it’s 1 and 1. He made Lesnar tap. Next one should settle the score.
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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
But most people attribute Frank’s win to the stand-up & restart, and even if you accept the stand-up as legit, Frank was still getting beat-down for 90% of the fight. Lesnar completely ravaged Mir in the rematch, so while it is quantitatively 1-1, the performances are worlds apart qualitatively.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
so when Nog (or other fan favorite) gets lit up...
but somehow gets a tap to win, its a great win… Yet when Frank Mir does it, he got lucky? A win is a win, and he made him tap. period.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
You're missing the point....
While I agree that Lesnar fans (which I am one of) like to throw around the 1st fight and how it was going a bit too much….there is something to be learned from it. Frank Mir was a very dangerous, seasoned and game fighter…..fighting a brand new rookie in what was essentially his first fight. Frank had been training for quite a long time (I assume, don’t have facts to back that up), and Lesnar had only been training for a couple years. Up until the submission, it did appear that the seasoned vet was getting beat pretty badly by a noob.
I think the reason that people bring it up all the time is because of the quesionable stand up/restart and point deduction. Some people claim that Maz was just following the rules, and you know what? He was. But the fact of the matter remains that was a very unusual thing to do, and I have seen many fights after that one where Maz gave repeated warnings to fighters about illegal strikes without taking a point away. If he was consistent with a certain type of call it would be fine, but he’s all over the map.
The “W” is all that matters, Machida won against Shogun, Fedor lost via a cut and most likely lost the Ricardo Arona fight, and Frank Mir won the first Lesnar match up.
You’re never going to be able to stop people from defending those they like, or keep people from speculating about the likes of “Alisteroid Ubereem” as some people like to call him. It’s human nature, and Mir’s human nature is to say shit like “I’m going to rip his face off”, “I’m going to end his career”, “There are other ways to take care of things outside of the ring”, etc etc etc. So fight 3 will be Frank “hyping” the fight by saying stuff like this, then he’ll lose again and Lesnar will tell him to fuck himself because he doesn’t like Mir or his attitude, and he’ll be the evil bad guy again.
Not to get off topic
But under the rules of the RINGs or whatever it was called Fedor beat Arona. Its not based on position but instead sub attempts.
I am a big Brock fan....
but he lost that fight with Mir. Lost it. Mir won. There wasn’t any luck involved.
Brock said on the UFC 100 countdown show that he gave Mir the position he needed to lock in the submission. Brock knew he messed up and Mir took advantage of it. And Brock made sure that didn’t happen the second time. Mir deserves props for winning the first one as much as Brock does for winning the second one. That first Mir fight made Brock a MUCH better MMA fighter.
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Mir knows exactly how he'll end Lesnar's career
He will be doing a tag-team 2 vs. 1.
His partner will be Miguel Torres.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 9, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think Brock may throw Torres out of the octagon.
Keep firing Assholes!
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First a horse shoe and now Miguel Torres.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
“Frank had Miguel Torres up his ass, I pulled that sum’bitch out… AND BEAT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH HIM…”
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Nov 9, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think THE BROCKLESNAR may throw Frank Mir out of the octagon :)
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 10, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Them’s some fighting words! I hope we get BROCKLESNARRR/Mur 3 at some point.
Keep firing Assholes!
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There you go…. lol
I bet Mir dreams about actually breaking Lesnars arm like he did to Timmeh.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mur talks about breaking bseball bats, pro wrasslin, and how he is far more skilled.
Brock crushes an European car, ponders punching Mazzagati, then rips a door off it’s hinges.
I could go for round 3.
Keep firing Assholes!
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I want to see what Lesnar could do to those TUF doors.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Lesnar would just walk through a closed door – and damage it more and faster than Rampage did.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
I dont see Brock/Mir III going much differently to their second meeting. Brock said after their first fight that he had improved, wouldn’t make the same mistakes again and he backed up his words.
Mir’s only problem is that he wouldnt be able to follow suit. There’s always room for improvement, nobody is ever perfect. Truth is there’s just not alot you can do about a guy that size smothering you whilst pounding your face with his “lunchbox hands”
Saying that you want to end a dude’s career is over-the-top but the way people throw around words in the fight game, I find it far from unseemly. Mir’s just trying to show confidence and posture for a lucrative rematch. He did do some positive things in the second match while standing before getting out-wrestled and mauled on the ground.
Right, Mir just knows how to make fans want to see him fight..
And God only knows why, as Frank really isn’t as good as he or a lot of fans make him out to be.
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Yea wins Over prime Sylvia, Lesnar, and Nog are all fluke...
Oh I forgot, Brock was Green, Sylvia was overrated even back when he was still Knockin ppl out, and Nog had cancer and two broken legs before his fight with Mir.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
I heard he had one of his legs amputated before the fight and was fighting on an ill-fitting prosthetic.
I mean, when you combine that with the well known fact that Mir drugged Nog before the fight with sleeping powder, it’s amazing he lasted as long as he did.
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“Ending someone’s career” is straight pro-wrestling talk. Maybe Mir’s trying his hand at Brock’s game, learning to cut promos ’n stuff…
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
"trying his hand at brock's game"
his hand has already been way wayyyy deep in the shit talking game for some time now..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 10, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s keep in mind that Frank also wanted to ‘rip the skin off his face’.
Mir really needs to work on his carny speak. He has yet to find that middle ground where his quotes are both outrageous and yet somewhat believable. He goes too far over the top when he is in fight-hype mode and sounds more like a bad cartoon villain than a fighter.
I dunno
I thought it was pretty cool when Mir threatened to detonate the world’s supply of plutonium unless he got an immediate rematch.
Too bad Randy Couture busted in on him at the last minute and put a stop to it :(
Lesnar/Mir III
See; Lesnar/Mir II.
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no matter who I crush after this, I have to crush him to show I’ve improved that weakness
so what weaknesses is referring to? he’s fighting kongo. takedowns and chest on chest beatdowns aren’t exactly in his arsenal.
Even if he thinks he can stand with Kongo he will re-think it after first few punches (but then it could be too late).
by dancingChicken on Nov 10, 2009 5:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s the whole point, if he thinks he can stand and actually stands with kongo, then it’s not fun anymore.
10/24
I know, I’m just sad that he will reconsider it at some point. But who knows, maybe Kongo will develope enough TD defence to shove some stand up down to Mir’s throat.
by dancingChicken on Nov 10, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions
Frank “K-1” Mir vs. Cheick “Takedown” Kongo.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well this just furthers my extreme dislike of Mir…..he sure is a winner isn’t he? And what’s this shit about “other ways to settle a score outside the ring”.
OOOOHHHHHHH, I get it….he’s just hyping the next fight. When this kind of talk goes on BEFORE a fight it’s ok. But when someone gets in said shit-talkers face AFTER they fight…well that’s a big no-no isn’t it?
WTF
And what’s this shit about "other ways to settle a score outside the ring".
Infecting Lesnar with mono, for example…
by dancingChicken on Nov 10, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 12, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mir really needs to bulk up if he wants to compete with Brock again. He’ll need all the extra strength he can get to avoid the takedown attempts.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
A couple of extra pounds aren’t going to be enough to offset a lifetime of wrestling training. Randy Couture was pretty damn effective stopping Brock’s takedown & control game, and Randy is 30 pounds lighter than Frank. Why was Randy so successful? Because he has the wrestling skills to counter a big man who is trying to take him down.
Getting bigger won’t solve anything. Frank needs to increase his wrestling skills if he wants to have any chance of stuffing Brock’s takedowns.
Perfectly stated......
Now that Brock has come along. We hear this business “he is too big and strong”, “you need a bigger guy” or “you need to get bigger”. How many times throughout history has this statement been proven false?. Intelligence and skill will overcome size the majority of the time. Anderson Silva has expressed interest in fighting Lesnar, I know many people think he is crazy and the MMA hardcores think he would get taken down and pounded. Really?, you think Anderson would not use his superior footwork, timing, angles and movement and intelligence to not allow a takedown?. I would say he makes Lesnar look like a ball of lumps.
by SimplePsych on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
One way to improve on his performance is to not get stuck in halfguard like he was, put Brock in his guard and work his subs from the back and test Lesnar’s sub game with a variety of subs of his back. That would be one way that Mir can try to change things up in a rematch, Mir has to prepare to work from his back and catch an arm or Brock’s neck I truly believe he was thrown off by Lesnar’s game plan but that won’t happen in a third fight.
Personally I love how focused and serious Mir sounds, hopefully this will be a sign that he’s getting focused and ready for Kongo and making another run at the belt. Because regardless of how many excuses and bs rationalization’s people throw out for Mir winning the fact is he tapped Brock in the first and with a win or 2 a third fight with Lesnar is very doable.
just to be the best human being possible
+
end Brock Lesnar’s career
Mir has a funny definition of “best human being possible”.
Kuwabara Kuwabara
I seriously don't think I'll ever understand all the Hatred For Mir...
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
He dared to speak ill of Brock Lesnar, and therefore must suffer.
Anyway I don’t get it either.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Same here
He was too cocky and condescending toward Nogueira.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
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