Analyzing Fedor's Performance: Powerful Combinations Lead to Role Reversal
Saturday evening's Strikeforce main event went as expected for many fans as former PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko threw a devastating overhand right that knocked Brett Rogers out at the 1:48 mark of the second round. The post-fight reaction wasn't very forgiving as some fans felt that a second round TKO and the performance of Fedor during the first round of action was a sure sign that Fedor has been "exposed".
The most disturbing negative analysis following Fedor's win focuses solely on the fact that Rogers was able to momentarily maul Fedor against the fence and actually last until the second round. While I would definitely say that Rogers proved he could hang with some of the best heavyweights in the world with his performance, this is a sport in which "punching" and "ground and pound" are always evident in battles. To say that Fedor has been suddenly exposed due to a cut/broken nose and an effective barrage of punches on the floor would be a bit premature at this point.
Rogers did show the world that he can use his size and power to make his showdown with Fedor a very competitive battle. He was able to put Fedor down, land some powerful ground and pound, and press Fedor into the cage and control him at times. His weaknesses on the ground were displayed in the fight, however, and it ultimately led to Fedor being able to escape those bad positions in which he was in some brief danger from Rogers.
Lots of animated gifs and technical fight breakdowns in the full entry.
From a technical standpoint, Fedor Emelianenko's stand-up game has never been that dynamic. He almost never uses kicks, and his striking is usually a combination of quickness coupled with power in the form of vicious overhands. He doesn't have the technical prowess of a world class boxer, nor does he stand and jab with speedy efficiency. Rogers was the better striker as far as mechanics are concerned, but Fedor is one of the only fighters in this sport who can completely nullify those advantages by the attributes in which he's superior: speed and power.
Rogers' best punch was the quick left jab he threw in the first round that caught Fedor flush on the nose, nearly breaking it. Fedor, at the same moment, tried to throw his own left jab to set up a powerful overhand right, but Rogers' landing blow threw off the trajectory of the massive punch just enough for Rogers to escape. While Rogers damaged Fedor in the exchange, it's interesting to note that Rogers wasn't able to string together flurries in the striking department when both men were toe-to-toe due to the fear of being countered by Fedor's heavy hands. Even while being caught on the initial exchange, Fedor went forward with the combination... a tactic that could have paid off if Rogers had tried to throw a right.
The most significant moment of the fight was the flurry of ground and pound that Rogers landed during the first round. Rogers' quickness during the flurry probably left a little power out of the combination of punches, but it was the right call. Fedor has always been very adept at catching arms and pulling off armbars, and throwing heavy overhands while in guard normally doesn't come with great speed. Rogers lands roughly three "on the button" shots during the exchange, but the impressive portion of the exchange is the determination by Fedor to escape.
In classic PRIDE style, Fedor latches onto Rogers' arm during the flurry and immediately transitions to the armbar, a tactic he used against a bulked up Mark Coleman twice while being pounded. Rogers' flurry was much more dangerous than anything Coleman ever landed back in those PRIDE battles, but the technique was virtually the same. Couture vs. Inoue ended in nearly the same fashion as well, and it's a tactic that can not only end a fighter's night quickly -- it can work as an escape from danger.
Does this give us a sense that Fedor has been exposed? Not really. While Rogers landed some powerful shots during the exchange, it ultimately leads me into the territory of discussion where we begin to focus on how well Fedor can do against such large opponents. Rogers was roughly 30 lbs. heavier at weigh-ins, so the ability for larger guys to lean and move Fedor to the floor isn't surprising. It could be a tactic that we'll see in the future from much heavier opponents, but they'll still need to contend with Fedor's tactical ground game and power punching.
As I mentioned early, Fedor's ability to throw combinations with power is a huge danger for his opponents. In the first round, Fedor landed a stunning uppercut during a flurry of blows that backed up Rogers. I'm not immensely interested in the actual combo that Fedor landed as I am by the inability of Rogers to string together strikes. Fedor tried to land the overhand right multiple times while throwing it over the incoming jab. While the strike doesn't land, Rogers immediately knows the hurt is incoming from the left. It completely nullified Rogers' ability to throw any sort of combination in the fight, and it truly gave Fedor a significant edge standing.
The final exchange in which Fedor lands the vicious overhand right that ends the battle was truly an exchange that a studious Fedor had managed to find during the first round of action. Rogers was unable to mix up his strikes, always led with his left hand, and continued to step into his strikes with his left lead leg, almost signaling when punches were coming. Unfortunately for Rogers, he tried to throw a looping left instead of a straight jab during the final exchange.
Would it have mattered? Probably not. Fedor steps, sees Rogers lurching forward, and throws the overhand without any wind-up. It was quick, accurate, and powerful, and it was the product of a learning process from those initial attacks in the first round. The movement of Rogers is nearly identical from earlier exchanges, and Fedor likely dissected those exchanges into what we saw at the end of the fight.
Make all the negative comments you want about his performance being a bit subpar for your liking, but he managed to put Rogers' striking game on ice for most of this fight. With the exception of the stinging jab that caused the bloody mess on Fedor's nose in the first round, Rogers almost never threw combinations of punches. He was mostly on the defensive during exchanges, and he became a guy who had to use his size to his advantage against the fence and on the ground. Fedor created a situation in which the roles had reversed.
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Fedor was exposed about as much as Machida got exposed against Shogun. The mythical invincible god-like status has been eroded.
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by Ubernoober on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that no fighter should have the mythical invicible god-like status. Fedor needed to come into this fight and crush Rogers in three seconds to live up to the lead-up analysis of this fight, and fighters normally don’t live up to the pre-fight hype, at least not that kind of insanity.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Except Silva against Forrest...
That shit was whack…
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by rembrandt on Nov 9, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I guess his status must regenerate for each fight, cause what I saw saturday wasn’t new.
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by spectaa on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BS, sir.
Lyoto almost never got hit at all. He was too defensive to get caught with anything, only time he was ever in trouble was the out-of-nowhere Tito triangle which is not replicable thanks to his takedown defense. People though Lyoto could never get touched striking, definitely not matched, and surely not beaten.
Fedor has been beaten to hell before. Look at him post Cro Cop. We all knew you could hit Fedor just by punching him in the face. His mystique is built around the inability of people to win a whole fight against him, not as an untouchable immortal. People hyped Lyoto as being impossible to land on, and then we saw him outstruck (regardless of how you judge effectiveness, Shogun landed a greater volume of strikes in every round) and for the first time witnessed him bleed both literally and figuratively. There is no comparison.
by pdl on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor pushes the action...
Lyoto waits for his opponent
by fedorade on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only thing he was exposed to was not having that cage expierence.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Nov 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How the hell is he exposed? Fedor fought like he always fights, he takes damage in a lot of fights and is just strong enough will wise and durable enough physically to fight through. He was nonchalant when he was getting hit on the ground and just methodically worked for submissions and then the sweep counter through the hitchhiker arm bar defense. When he was pressed up against the cage he was just breathing in and waiting for an opening. On the feet he was swinging his hands like he always does, coming in at angles and ducking inside rolling his right shoulder down.
I saw nothing new out of Fedor, that’s fine with me by the way.
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by AboveThisFire on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly…. I don’t know why anyone thought he was “exposed”. But everyone has their opinion I suppose. Fedor has taken damage in the past, Fedor has been taken down before. I was a bit awkstruck by some fan analysis after the fight.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he definitely was not exposed but I do think he could be pushed up against the cage a lot more. I felt Rogers should have stuch to that with a little dirty boxing.
by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have a list of the fighters who have 'exposed' Fedor?
Let’s start with:
Andrei Arlovski
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman
oh Cro Cop did right? In 2005?
Nog..
oh forget it. Poor guy gets exposed in almost every fight he wins :(
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Exactly....
he always wins. Who cares if he got punched hard a few times, it didn’t affect him and….oh yeah…he won again in highlight reel fashion.
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ricardo Arona. But it was a fight that Fedor LOST.
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Arona fight should possibly be considered his only loss.
by bleve_ on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Under RINGS rules, he won.
Under any other ruleset, he probably lost.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor fans (and MMA fans generally) don’t consider TK loss as a loss but as a accident that was caused by a fucked up rule.
The same fans don’t consider Arona win as a loss because the rules say that Fedor won.
(my head hurts so I have hard time dressing my words in English, but you get my point)
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what u mean and somewhat agree, its just that the rule that was in place during the TK loss was a fact ( a written rule : no elbows) The Arona fight was an opinion ( the judge ) …. like it really matters at this point lol I just wanna say that this was a fun fight to watcha nd I believe that any people who saw Fedor for the first time will definitely be wanting to see him again.
by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it isn’t a wrong assumption. You fight within the ruleset and the judging criteria in RINGS was straight jacked up. I mean, he technically won, but I’d probably give it to Arona under current unified rules.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With all the crazy rules sometimes I feel like RINGS was not even really MMA..
by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True. But I like thing being called by its name.
Arona episode suits into the whole “he got exposed” thread: some people don’t want to or are not able to acknowledge things they see.
It’s the same thing after almost every Fedor fight (besides Sylvia fight:): He’s invincible—→OMG he got exposed—→(after some time) he’s invincible once again. Do people forget that he was in trouble in many fights?
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the same thing after almost every Fedor fight (besides Sylvia fight:): →OMG he got exposed—→
Yes, it’s the same things from the same people who just want to look at every small detail with a jaundiced eye and overinflate any or all of the bad things and minimize any of the good things. Like the people saying, “Rogers beat him down for the whole fight”, “Rogers dominated him against the cage” and “Rogers had him in big trouble on the ground”.
There will always be the people that latch onto something trying to say “OMG he got exposed” after every fight. Win or lose. Fact or fiction.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the real kicker...
for him to really be “exposed” – wouldn’t that mean that fighters would have to then have success against him in the fights following this “exposures”?
He keeps getting “exposed” but how much “exposure” is really occurring if no one benefits or gets success from it.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I think the term “exposes” is going to be the next “lay and pray” – something people like to say, but rarely use it correctly.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Rogers didn’t punch so hard, we would not be having this conversation.
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Despite Fedor giving up over 30 pounds and height, he was still able to control Rogers and take him down when necessary. That’s where the mastery came through. People are concentrating on the striking aspect too much.
by cyke on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
hell the first jab he actually walked into
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
He was able to control Rogers by simply having a better ground game than Rogers, but those takedowns mostly came from scrambles, which Fedor should win anyways. Weight and size isn’t as effective if you’re trying to run away. I think most people felt Fedor would win those types of exchanges in terms of takedowns. The tenacity he showed in those scrambles is always a pleasant sight though.
A lot of fans felt Fedor would just pick up Rogers against the fence and throw him, which he’s actually be able to do against heavier guys in Sambo and some fights. Rogers was, at least, able to stop that from happening.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, scrambles rely a lot on speed too.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the first round when up against the cage, Fedor was able to get Rogers off and take him down if I remember correctly. Didn’t look like much of a scramble to me.
by cyke on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The few I remember were push-offs, and Fedor caught Rogers in a takedown as he strayed away. It was a perfect way to stop Rogers from leaning all over him.
To be perfectly honest, Fedor may have been able to power Rogers down against the fence as well, but it’d be a bad proposition. You’d waste tons of energy while the scrambles were easier to gain takedowns.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exposed from what?
Has anyone realised yet that we are talking like it’s a super big deal that a professional MMA fighter got a punch to the face?
He took some punches, landed plenty of his own and knocked Rogers out in highlight reel fashion.
Sounds like a big old WIN to me, and in typical Fedor fashion too.
by MyrkN on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I asked myself the same question.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Superman gets a nosebleed people freak out. A little time in the sun and everything will be cool again.
The only thing I saw was that a bigger guy like Brock has a chance to impose his tight, pressurized game on him. Previously I couldn’t even imagine Brock getting him in a bad position, but that’s because I’m a total schoolgirl when it comes to Fedor.
by asa on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor heals by spending time in the dark at the center of the earth.
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by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my biggest fears during the fight was the GNP from Rogers. If the ref had been someone like Maz or Yves……who knows what would have happened about a stoppage. I had visions of the ref stopping the fight, and Fedor getting up not being dazed in the least.
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
^this
It was good that Big John was the ref.
This is going to happen in a UFC main event at some point and Big John will be back.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE
I really felt like he was working for that armbar the whole time and appreciated the fact that I knew Big John would realise this as well.
by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m amazed that fedor once again stayed calm and kept attacking, but that GnP scared the crap on me. I probably screamed like a little girl when I saw is head getting bounced of the mat.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL i know what you mean. I couldnt sit down at all!
by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People expose him
Yet no one ever wins.
So how is that exposing him? We have known for a while that Coleman exposed him because Fedor has trouble with strong wrestling.
Then Randleman showed again that Fedor doesnt do well against wrestling. What happened to both? They lost.
Arlovski exposed Fedor in that we know he has trouble with technical boxing paired with speed. What happened to Arlovski? He lost
Rogers exposed Fedor in that we know that he has trouble with bigger guys. What happened to Rogers? He lost
HOW IS THIS EXPOSING ANYTHING? Fedor ALWAYS wins.
by Discman2 on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Coleman had all sorts of trouble trying to pin down Fedor, and then he was abruptly armbarred. I don’t think he really did anything to “expose” Fedor.
Everyone should have known that Fedor was susceptible to being damaged. I found it strange to hear people telling me that Fedor was suddenly not a god anymore. Okay.. was he ever a god? He’s a great fighter, and he doesn’t have divine intervention helping him. He’s just that good, doesn’t mean he can’t be a hurt a bit in a fight.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is if/when he loses, all the haters are going to start salivating and spew venom like it’s going out of style. That’s going to be a sad day, shitting on someone with such an awesome track record.
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The day he loses (and it is inevitable) he will suddenly become “the glass jawed nobody who only beat cans”.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The day he loses will be the most joyous day of my life. That’s because all the fanboys(and girls) of Fedro will be crying in their beer on how the so-called “Best” fighter in MMA is no longer undefeated.
by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You will take such great joy in the misery of others who you don’t even know, for no reason other than that they will feel bad? You must be a sad, sad person in real life.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think people are overrating the flurry of strikes on the ground that Rogers suppossedly landed. I think he lands maybe two punches in there and the rest miss. It definately wasnt the unstoppable barrage some people are making it out to be.
by Rabbit915 on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He landed about three. It wasn’t as bad as some people stated. I got one text from a buddy saying Rogers landed like 12 strikes. LOL.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Brock landed Two Punches that Brett landed, I think it would’ve been enough to finish the Ice-Cream man. heheheh…..
by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like he did with Couture, right? :o)
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Herring
Let’s not forget how three rounds of Lesnar Fists couldn’t finish a guy with a broken eye.
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exposed? No. Exposure? Yes.
This is who Fedor is. Hype Fedor is a Greek God (from Russia) who beats mortals with lightning bolts and flying arm bars in the first 10 seconds. Actual Fedor is a pudgy Russian guy who grinds out victories by being opportunistic and incredibly persistent.
by ryanwk628 on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And fireballs from his arse?
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
trying to figure out if this is a Braveheart reference........
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, it is.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone has been exposed it’s Rogers. He was hyped as having the god-like granite hands of skullcrushing death, yet his punches couldn’t take Fedor out… In fact, the hardest punch thrown in there must’ve been Fedor’s fight-finisher. I think highlight reels will cut away from music just to let people hear the SOUND it makes.
shhhhhhhhh-VABAMFFFFFFFFF (comic book style)
See what I did there? I turned this discussion around.
Rogers did better than I expected and has earned my respect, but he lost. Fedor did well, he won.
by MyrkN on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
youtube vid of the punch and sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVVas8SHa88&feature=player_embedded
by MyrkN on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t watch that enough. I think I wore out my DVR just rewatching it, and now just watched/listened to that about 10 times.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first thing I noticed during the punch… you could hear it hit Rogers’ face over the broadcast.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can actually hear the background audio compress as the sound equipment tries to catch up to the jump in decibal levels.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that because the punch was so hard...
…or because of those big microphones they had over the cage that got in the way almost as much as the refs? Did the cameramen have a thing for Big John’s ass, or was it the director?
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by jemaleddin on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor, at the same moment, tried to throw his own left jab to set up a powerful overhand right
No. Fedor tried to hit Brett’s hands down. It can be clearly seen – his hand is open (not a fist).
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by mikser on Nov 9, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you’re right.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was the same thing he did to Sylvia
by WestbergIDFC on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The technique/combination, which Fedor used in the first and the third .gifs are almost the same – only the effectiveness varies. :)
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by mikser on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see Joe Rogan join in and elaborate on why he felt Fedor got exposed a bit… does anyone have his phone number? :P
by MyrkN on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I in no way feel that Fedor has been exposed the same way that Kimbo has. However on Sunday morning the HW playing field seems more level.
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by Ubernoober on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
uppercut
That uppercut looked impressive, but the real heavy ones result in the fighter’s chin snapping back down. Rogers immediately covered up in alert fashion. The shot definitely got his attention but wasn’t the huge flush bomb it looked like.
I think it’s interesting that Fedor almost never fires twice from the same side. If he throws a left the right is coming, if he throws a right the left is coming. With his speed, timing and power, countering that is easier said than done – very few true heavyweights have that kind of sophistication in their striking game – but it could be exploited.
by theidlesthand on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor steps, sees Rogers lurching forward, and throws the overhand without any wind-up. It was quick, accurate, and powerful, and it was the product of a learning process from those initial attacks in the first round.
This should be one of the key takeaways from the fight – not this hyperbolic dribble about people overhyping the actual success Rogers had vs. the initially perceived success b/c he wasn’t blown out in 30 seconds.
Most people believe Fedor’s power punches are looping and wide, leaving him succeptible to straight punching and quick shots…however, the KO of Rogers demonstrated that he is scarily capable of landing an extremely hard, fast and accurate punch, with basically no wind up whatsoever.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I should point out that on the ground, some real questions were opened up by Rogers ability to reverse Fedor on top as well.
If Rogers is able to do that (mind you it was coming off a submission attempt that left FE wide open for reversal and I wonder if he’d risk that against other far larger but more apt HWs), you’d have to think someone of Lesnar, Cain or Carwin’s ilk could also pull off the reversal as well. While Fedor’s work off his back is quite adept, I doubt he’d want to invite or be caught in the position of having one of these hulking guys on him, especially if he’s anywhere near the fence.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor's exposure was to the non-hardcore audience.
What they saw probably didn’t jive with the hype they had been hearing leading up to the fight.
Frankly, it isn’t too surprising considering Fedor is at his best when the fight is sloppy and wide open. Too many openings for him to take advantage of.
by Razreshat on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now, Mousasi got a bit exposed, in my opinion.
And it looked like it on his face too. He should have put Sok away very fast…it seemed like Mousasi didn’t train too hard for the fight or take it too seriously.
by Razreshat on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno…doesn’t Soko always come out like a house of fire and if he hasn’t KO’d the guy in the opening minutes just start to regress in performance. He’s like a new age LHW Alistair Overeem. Seemed like a typical Soko fight to me.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Soku was the one who surprised everyone. Gegard most likely wasn’t prepared for Soku’s creative striking. If anything about Gegard was exposed, its that he is weak executing or defending throws from the clinch.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of frustrating
I’m not a Soko fan (nor do I dislike him), but every time I see him fight there is so much potential that he never does anything with. I don’t know if its training camps, he lacks motivation, or what it is – but this is a guy who could be a powerhouse if he fixes whatever his problem is.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i see him mentally quit in every fight that gets out of the first five minutes. he needs a better camp like Jackson’s that works on the mental game too. Or a full-on sport psychiatrist.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now Mousasi got exposed?
he pounded the living daylights out of Sokoudjou until the ref got in between
Whats with this ‘exposing’ trend? How can a convincing win suddenly mean some sort of defeat?
I’m smelling some fans of Sok and Rogers who can’t handle their guys being beaten fair and square.
by MyrkN on Nov 9, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Mousasi got exposed by Sokoudjou about as much as Lyoto Machida, Luis Cane, or Renato Sobral did. After all, it took them till the second round to finish him too! EXPOSURE!
by JRN on Nov 9, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nuff said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntWso9GewM
by STEVENvanGEEL on Nov 9, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The things that bothered me.
First of all, fedors legs. He has none, get somebody with devastating leg kicks to chop him down. Second, brett rogers spent 1 1/2 rounds with his hands down, and all fedor has is those looping hands. Just like chuck, once somebody learns to dodge the looping cross, it will nullify fedor’s untechnical striking game.
In my opinion, a lot of 205er’s could take out fedor. Someone with decent boxing, and good wrestling. 205 is stacked with guys like this, Rampage, Rashad etc.
I think anderson silva would probably have an easy time handling fedor.
The final thing that bothered me, and is somewhat unrelated is the feeling fedor is being used by a lot of money hungry management.
This is no new story, but to see all the guys in suits come in with smiles miles wide and a relieved look on their face after the fight was disturbing. And with the 360, it seems like fedor is a really humble guy, able to be taken advantage of.
And don’t forget about jerry millen.
by p0wn on Nov 9, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Devastating leg kicks come at a price most heavyweights don’t want to pay. Fedor could loop an overhand on someone’s chin during a kick, and end their night quickly.
I think 205 lb’ers would get ragdolled by Fedor. Fedor’s strength is massive, and it isn’t shown a lot. He ragdolled Blagoi Ivanov in some of those Sambo fights, and that guy is roughly 255-260.
A 205’er would be in some deep shit if Fedor grabbed him against the fence.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor caught a lot of leg kicks and smashed faces earlier in his career. I think people are smarter than that now.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Heath Herring...
how effective kicks are against Fedor.
Granted, Herring was/is way too in love with his kicking game – but there was at least an example of what happens when you try to kick him, especially if your game isn’t tight on that end.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Herring was… they were half-hearted kicks… like he knew he was about to eat a huge punch.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first one definitely wasn’t…but total agreement on the rest of them. Plus as I said, Heath’s not 1/4 of the kicker he thinks he is.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to Herring?
no more after Brock??
by fedorade on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all fedor has is those looping hands
You know, Fedor has not been known as a knockout artist until very recently. He’s mainly been known or his grappling for most of his career. So this isn’t really true.
by JRN on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only person exposed was Frank Shamrock
How hard is it to learn to say (not spell) Sokoudjou? He kept calling him “So-juh-koh” throughout the fight.
Also, Sokoudjou finally got some exposure as an EXCELLENT judo player, but he really needs to figure out how to integrate that into his MMA fights. He’d get off a great take down, but just like in judo, after that he didn’t know what to do.
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by jemaleddin on Nov 9, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt help that gegard is great off his back. Soku’s big problem is that, if an opponent doesn’t go down easy, Soku gets frustrated and gives up.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like his biggest problem is that he’s at Team Quest where instead of focusing on his quickness and his judo, they’re trying to make him into another clone of Henderson.
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by jemaleddin on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soko needs to drop muscles off of his muscles, so next time he wont gas after 5 min.
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, true.
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by jemaleddin on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many different pronunciations of Gegard Mousasis name did we hear?
Gee-gard, Ge-gaard, Gay-hard
Mousasi, Mousassi, Mousaschi
So which is the right combination? Is the way the dutch prunounce his name the right way or is the way his armenian family calls him? To make matters worse his birth name isn’t Mousasi but Movsesian. What a mess.
Of course we call Fedor Fedor because of the difficulties translating from cyrillic alphabet to the latin alphabet. Now that I think of it, there is even an armenian alphabet.
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by S.S on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I didn't bring that up...
But just getting the sounds in the right order for Sok shouldn’t be that hard!
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by jemaleddin on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Frank’s braces are giving him mushmouth.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fiodor, Fjodor or Fyodor (like Dostoyevsky).
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The standards for transcribing from cyrillic to latin alphabet varies from language to language. Lets take a similar example to Fedor: In the US you call a certain russian ice hockeyplayer Sergei Fedorov, while in my country we would write his name Fjodorov.
This has of course nothing to do with Leland Rolings excellent article, sorry for that.
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by S.S on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people have decided he was exposed because when the fight hit the ground he didn’t submit Rogers in seconds, and when he went for submissions he wasn’t able to finish them. Which is stupid.
We found out about Rogers’ power based ground game (which looks pretty damn good honestly..it’s not an ADCC type style, but it’s effective for what he wants to do). That isn’t a knock on Fedor. If people had been tooling Rogers on the ground to this point and Fedor couldn’t…then fine. But Rogers’ ground game concerns were based on people deciding he didn’t know what grappling was because of a single quote.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think Rogers has built a game that is based on escaping, getting up and getting the KO. Just because he’s not playing guard for subs, that doesn’t mean his ground game isn’t good.
by judonerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...it did well for Chuck before his reflexes started to go...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exposed? The only thing Fedor “exposed” to me was the extraordinary power he could put into a punch that had virtually no windup.
He ‘exposed’ himself to an American audience that maybe hadn’t heard of him by knocking out a guy 30 pounds heavier than him with a single punch. He was put on his back by Rogers and took some damage, but how many other guys would have even been able to pull out that armbar attempt to escape? I guess there’s some people who might say “well this shows that Fedor’s grappling skills arent that good.”
This is the same kind of idiocy that says this was an early stoppage. Or that Rogers was dominating. Right. And I thought Michael Bisping got robbed against Hendo….
by TLow on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait….
Someone said it was an early stoppage? LOL.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few people… very respected media guys (I won’t use names) thought that Big John should have made Fedor actually land one of the follow up punches after the knockdown. The 3 follow-ups all either missed or were partially blocked. That being said…I don’t think it was a bad stoppage…just passing it along
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, what’s interesting, if you look at the larger version of this photo (here) it looks like Fedor’s finger is sticking out.
I wonder if this is where he broke his hand?
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the injury was to his left
at least, that’s what has been posted. My particular speculation is that he connected with an elbow when Rogers was covering up from that flurry against the fence.
by KrmtDfrog on Nov 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Strange
I wonder why he punches with his finger out then? Doesn’t seem like a very good idea. :\
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not his finger....
Look closely thats Bretts thumb, see the gloved hand up on his head? Trying to stop the pain……..
by dhny11 on Nov 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That makes much more sense! Thanks dhny!
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s Roger’s finger you’re seeing IMO.
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by Tony NJ on Nov 9, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, dhny pointed that out. For some reason I thought Rogers hand was in front of his face, and didn’t even think it was his. My mistake.
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
The more I watch that GnP barrage, the more amazed I am that Fedor remained calm and locked the armbar transition. I mean, those were some mean fucking blows.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They were so loud in the arena...
the only thing louder was the eventual fedor shot
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice the existing cut to Fedors nose he was sporting in the promotional scenes before his fight?

Probably wouldnt have taken too much to open it back up.
by GeeDub on Nov 10, 2009 8:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.. did not notice that. Good find.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 10, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I have been saying for a few times now – the cut was caused by Aleks in training and Brett simply reopened it.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't notice that
but before the fight started, that area of his nose is clearly discolored. I can’t tell if its actual discolored or his nose has an odd shape and it’s a shadow.
Let the discussions begin: Did Fedor enter the fight with a broken nose? Hmmmm :)
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is not much to discuss. Here is a little photo collage I made:

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