Fedor beatable, could not win UFC title!
Last night Fedor looked good. He did everything he needed to dismantle a young up and comer in Brett Rogers. I will not pretend that Rogers may have been a bit over rated, but he was still undefeated and the best opponent Fedor had faced in some time.
Fedor won the fight, but he showed that he is not ready to attack the premier fighters of the UFC!
Here is a link with even more of my thoughts on this issue
Throughout the fight Fedor showed two blatant weaknesses. The inability to work off of the cage, and his willingness to take a punch off of his back for a submission attempt.
Back against the cage... (why he would lose to Randy)
Think back to the Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga fight. Randy employed his incredible game of dirty boxing and landed a fight changing slam off of the cage. Gonzaga was never able to recover and some would say neither has his career.
Lets swap Fedor and Gabe. Fedor looked lost with an inexperienced Rogers on him, imagine what he would do if it was the best at that game? Randy would get the fight in this position and be able to truly exploit this weakness.
His willingness to take a punch for a submission...(why he would lose to Brock)
The key to Brock winning a fight with Fedor would be his submission defense. The fight would go to the ground eventually and Brock could smother him for 5 rounds. Rogers had one solid fury in which Fedor was on his back. The Last Emperor seems content with taking some shots to attempt an arm bar. This has worked very well in the past on the likes of Hong Man Choi, but it would not work against Brock. Three or four solid shots could rock Fedor resulting in a similar flurry. You don’t want to say that the ref would jump in prematurely, but you never know.
To be honest a healthy Brock Lesnar could pose the biggest problem for Fedor. The Russian super star has what is known as the Mike Tyson (insert MJ, Tiger, Etc) effect. Due to his name and who he is, he indirectly affects his opponents mental game. Someone that could care less who he is, that is beyond full of themselves, and truly think they are going to win could be dangerous. While I can't stand the Brock antics, that is him. He would come in pumped up and ready to go. Again, very very dangerous for an aging legend...
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I love Randy, but Fedor would finish him before it even got to the cage. He would straight up out-strike him. And if it did, Fedor would probably take him down anyway. Fedor would win. This is a moot point because Randy will probably be fight at lightheavy for the rest of his career.
Now let me dismantle your Lesnar argument. I see no reason as to why Fedor can take 5 solid shots against Rogers off his back but will be KOed by Lesnar’s little hammerfists. Not going to happen.
Someone that could care less who he is, that is beyond full of themselves, and truly think they are going to win could be dangerous. While I can’t standthe Brock anticsBrett Rogers, that is him.
Hey look, it fits perfectly. Rogers thought he would win. He couldn’t give two ****s about what Fedor did in the past.
by ChiCubs23 on Nov 8, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Little hammerfists?
Hahaha
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by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify. The hands themselves are big. But he doesn’t raise them very high. Its just a bunch of short quick hammerfists that won’t really do so much towards rocking Fedor. He would transition instead of taking 10000 quick hammerfists.
by ChiCubs23 on Nov 8, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Riiight
I’m pretty sure Lesnar’s hammerfists improved greatly in his last fight with Mir, lol.
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by funnytiger on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
elevation of the fist
doesn’t really come into it, when your fist is the width of your opponents thigh
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by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... he fixed that
Watch Lesnar/Mir II again
by Shaun32887 on Nov 9, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for you…did you see Randy try to get up after those hammerfists? Go bounce your head against the floor 37 times as fast as you can and then see what happens.
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by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty, I don’t see Lesnar holding anything back with those hammerfists of his. A guy that big swinging hands that big – I bet they hurt. Hurt bad.
by lhasafi on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are some big freeking hammerfists.
Though you are right about Randy, Fedor would smoke Randy’s head off in the first minute of the fight.
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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Lesnar and Rogers is that Brock would focus on positional dominance the way he did in the second Mir fight. That’s what would give him a shot at winning. I don’t necessarily buy Brock beating Fedor though because I think Brock would gas out from chasing Fedor around.
by MMAEruption on Nov 8, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by actionbastard on Nov 8, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Troll post?
Seriously? Do you have a little magic ball that can predict the outcome of fights that havent happened?
Look I wont sit here and tell you that Fedor would come in and dismantle the hw division of the UFC because he might not but what because Couture was able to control Gonzaga against the cage now he can do it to Fedor? I think you forget last night was the first time ever that Fedor fought in a cage and the more used to it he gets the better he will be.
As for the Lesnar fight. That is the fight everyone wants now. If Brock was able to get Fedor down and smother him like Mir than yeah maybe he does beat Fedor but we’ve seen Fedor pull out some crazy submissions in the past and it could happen again plus Fedor has better wrestling than Mir so I’m not sure that he could hold him down like Mir.
by bigdmmafan on Nov 8, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Agreed, troll post.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not troll, educated opinion...
It would be troll if I would have said that he can’t beat Brock because he is the best ever.
It is nothing more than an extension of a prediction, of how Fedor would do if he indeed fought in the UFC, which he will more than likely never do.
by NCSAR on Nov 8, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
How does posting your opinion make it educated?
I dont think anyone will disagree with you that Fedor is beatable. Everyone is. It’s about finding the right guy that would give him trouble.
But to post, could not win UFC title! is just asking to get people angry which is what trolls do.
What if I said BJ penn could not win Strikeforce title! and just went on with reasons why I think Melendez would beat Penn. It doesnt make me right. It certaintly doesnt mean that BJ could never win the Strikeforce lw championship
Saying Randy and Brock would in your opinion give Fedor trouble is fine and explaining it even better but to make the comment Fedor could not win UFC title is dumb.
So what if Nog beat Brock and then Fedor came to the UFC and beat Nog for the title. Anything can happen in mma.
by bigdmmafan on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure everyone can lose
We know that anyone can lose on any night. I agree that it is about finding the right guy, in my opinion Brock and Randy are two.
Saying BJ could not win the Strikeforce title would be your opinion. If you could provide solid analysis on why Melendez matches up well with him and why he could win, then that would be far different than you saying BJ wont win their title because he wears white shorts.
Sorry the title got you upset, but that is my opinion. Should I have titled it…Fedor is beatable, probably can’t win UFC title?
by NCSAR on Nov 8, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my point
Everthying is really easy to say when it hasnt happened. Do you know how many people said Shogun was gonna destroy Griffin or Cro Cop was gonna destroy Gonzaga.Hell a lot of people said Randy was going to beat Nog before it happened.
So yeah its really easy to say Fedor cant win a UFC title when there is no chance of him even fighting for one in Strikeforce.
The title to your story should have been Why I think Randy and Brock would best Fedor .If you wanna make a prediction good have at it. But I dont like it when people pass off opinion as fact. I dont know who would win between Fedor and Randy or Fedor and Brock. My guess would be Fedor but hell if Tim Sylvia was still the UFC champ the same things would be said how Fedor couldnt beat Sylvia.
by bigdmmafan on Nov 8, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's educated
because he seen randy chuck 1, 2 AND 3
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by blubber_guard on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
educated...
i have a pink belt in tae kweer do
and it says you’re trolling
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These guys use "troll" all the time ...
… to describe someone who adds a dissenting opinion to the “consensus.” Just ignore them, you made points, described them and even offered a fuller explanation in your link.
A troll would require you to just blurt something out with no substance and then run away – only returning to be belligerent and egg people on. I enjoy varied opinions and thank you for taking the time to add something to the community other than saying BROCKLESNARRRR!!! FEDDAREXPOSEED!!!
Although I laugh when ufc4 does it!
by asa on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan said on Twitter that he thought Fedor got exposed a bit. Very surprising coming from him. Fedor’s been getting exposed since forever but always wins. Whatever.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ive heard this arguement about Fedor getting controlled up against the cage several times today. Rogers continued to grab the cage to hold him there. He would use whatever hand was on the side that the ref couldnt see. Looked pretty blatant to me.
by Rabbit915 on Nov 8, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Like in Rogers-Abongo
Brett blatantly grabbed the dreads after two or three warnings from Herb Dean.
Welcome to the Machida Error.
by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was trying to use the Thai plum, I don’t see how he couldn’t of pulled on Abongo’s dreads.
by xDieseLx on Nov 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was more of a single collar tie (I think its called anyway), one hand behind the head, punching with the other. In the replay it was clear Rogers hand was not even behind the head, it was above…and it seemed that he was grasping the hair.
Welcome to the Machida Error.
by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I disagree with your post
I do think that Fedor needs a little time to adapt to the cage. When Rogers was able to press him against the fence, Fedor really had no answer, and he took some solid knees to the thighs for his troubles. But to be honest, the whole ‘willingness to take shots for a sub’ thing has it’s pros and it’s cons; sure, he takes a couple punches, but when Fedor throws up those hips, it’s either dive straight into a sub, or get swept.
With Randy, no way would he beat Fedor. Fedor would blast him within the first round, like someone before said, the cage wouldn’t be a factor- Randy would just get floored by a crushing hook. Maybe 2 years before, around the time of the Gonzaga fight Randy would’ve stood a better chance, but that year off affected him. You just can’t go over a year without really training at his age without losing a step.
I do agree that Brock could stand a chance against Fedor, but I’d def still have Emelianenko as the favorite. Brock’s standup game is just nowhere near the level of Fedor’s- his defense is pretty poor, and he’s limited to throwing sole 1-2 punches at the most, or a singular leg kick/ knee strike. Again, I think Fedor would either blast him standing or sub him on the ground, as well as really make him work for his takedowns. But Brock could potentially stuff Fedor against the cage, take him down, and work his smothering top control and GnP game, as long as he didn’t get too crazy and didn’t allow Fedor’s hips to get an inch of room.
To be honest, I see Overeem as being the biggest threat to Fedor, because that it a man who could outstrike Fedor using a combination of good technique and power (what Arlovski brought to the table), but with a decent chin.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 8, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
great reply
Elliot,
Thanks for the reply. I wish Fedor would have signed with the UFC but I don’t ever see it happening, so we will never truly know.
by NCSAR on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor would smoke absolutely Randy. As for the Lesnar fight I have no idea how that would play out but i would expect it to be an awesome battle.
Anderson Silva is my pick to beat Fedor. I have no doubt he would pick him apart whilst avoiding his big looping bombs.
Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.
by MMAussie on Nov 8, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor would not stand with Anderson. And Fedor is incredibly strong for his size… wins it by sub.
by ryanwk628 on Nov 10, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question, NCSAR—did you see Randy Couture’s last fight? He got dropped multiple times by Minotauro Nogueira, and never succeeded in working his vaunted dirty boxing game. Why assume that Fedor would fail where Nogeuira succeeded, when Fedor has far more power in his hands and greater proficiency in the clinch?
I’ll give you Lesnar—though I think it’s a mistake to assume Fedor would fight him the same way he fought Rogers—but calling Couture over Fedor at this stage in their respective careers doesn’t make sense.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JRN,
You make a good point about Randy, but if Randy could get him to the cage I feel that he would have a huge advantage and be able to control the fight. I am not saying he would finish Fedor, but he could.
I also think that Randy greatly underestimated Nog’s stand up. Mir looked very impressive (I know injuries were key in that), and he made Nog look bad! Because of that I think that Randy anticipated the fight to go to the ground, and that he concentrated more on that area…
again, all opinion
but to answer your question…lol I would simply chock it up as a comfort factor with the cage. No, Randy may not be able to get him there, but if he did it would be trouble.
by NCSAR on Nov 8, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think that Randy greatly underestimated Nog’s stand up. Mir looked very impressive (I know injuries were key in that), and he made Nog look bad! Because of that I think that Randy anticipated the fight to go to the ground, and that he concentrated more on that area…
If Nogueira had just looked terrible in the standup in his last fight, why would Couture train to go to the ground? The ground is Nog’s domain, and as the superior wrestler against a fighter with poor takedowns, Couture dictates where the fight takes place. Your interpretation makes absolutely no sense.
In any case, the difference in that fight was not strikes landed (check the Fightmetric report—they landed an equal number of standing punches). The difference was that Couture kept getting dropped, by a fighter who has long been known as a weak puncher. Fedor, by contrast, is known as a very hard puncher. Do you see where I’m going with this?
And if Randy couldn’t work his clinch game against Nogueira, why think he could work it against Fedor, who’s a strong clinch fighter? I think you’re greatly overestimating Fedor’s discomfort with the cage, based on one point in his last fight where his opponent leaned him against the fence for a while without throwing any strikes. Outside of that, he dealt with the clinch against the fence just fine.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
randy
would have to get defor tot he cage first
and something tells me his sambo wouldn’t allow randy to get the positions and takedowns he wants
then when either man lets up for a second, he’s gonna goodridge the natural’s skull in
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by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don’t know about Randy, but I certainly don’t think Fedor would survive the gauntlet the UFC would throw at him without sustaining at least a couple losses.
Fedor would have to fight guys like Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Mir, and maybe even guys like Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida….all in succession!!
I’m not trying to be insulting in saying he should stick to fighting mid-level competition if he wants to keep that mystique. Rogers was not doing anything overly impressive, he started to gas heavily, and he still gave Fedor a hell of a fight.
by Razzel on Nov 8, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
did anyone notice
rogers landed one clean strike while he was on top. from the replay ,everything else glanced off.
by dagoldenmonkey on Nov 8, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JOE WARREN NEVER TAPPED!!!
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by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about fedor is like talking about somebody’s prophet… if you say the wrong thing there will be protests in the streets, burning down of embassy’s, head being chopped off and all the other good stuff.
Guess what you retards in Fedors last 2 fights there wasnt a single area where he shined or looked like the best fighter in the world other than landing an overhand right.
Brett who has lots of potential but is not anywhere near elite level was winning the fight until he gassed and a guy who had 2 shots at the UFC title but couldnt win was winning the fight until the overhand right. Yes I know they both lost… yada yada yada.
Yes, Fedor is the best fighter in the world and has the best case for it… I dont believe he was “exposed” or he is past his prime… BUT I DO BELIEVE WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF WHERE THE CONTINUAL EVOLUTION OF MMA IS STARTING TO PASS HIM BY.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Talking about
fedorthe UFC is like talking about somebody’s prophet… if you say the wrong thing there will be protests in the streets, burning down of embassy’s, head being chopped off and all the other good stuff.
Plus some Zuffa employee hiding behind the banner of “logic” will likely abandon logic, resort to ad hominem attacks and name calling while highlighting the UFC’s most important talking point of the week in all caps.
alogical, you are right when you said Fedor was made to look like he was a horrible fighter, whose game is full of holes and is completely unprepared for facing the evolution of modern mma by AA and Rogers. Right up until the point where they both lost consciousness during the middle of their fights.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
reading comprehension fail… go burn some flags.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“I made a promise when Fedor didn’t sign with the UFC, so I am going to keep my word and this is my last comment.”
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It is amazing how many people want to remain ignorant just because they don’t like the person spreading the information.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t you just post something the other day about how keeping your word is one of the most important things a person can do?
by JRN on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yes I did. Trying to use that to drive away an informative poster just because you don’t like him is stupid as shit and a support of ignorance.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally don’t care whether mmalogic keeps commenting or not. I just found it interesting that you were so quick to defend him in this case.
by JRN on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it keeps coming up over and over.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think you constantly defending him is stupid as shit and a support of ignorance. Yay opinions!
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Nov 9, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. Zuffa nutthugger is Zuffa nutthugger. He gets a hard-on becuase logic has “insider info”. What a crock.
logic should have been banned a long time ago for his language. He breaks teh rule just about everyday. (Don’t be mean) Yet there he is. He said he would leave and he didn’t. It would be nice option to be able to block seeing someones comments on here.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It would be nice option to be able to block seeing someones comments on here.
I quite agree.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A real intellectual discourse here.

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by judonerd on Nov 10, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i lol'd
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
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by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reading comprehension fail… go burn some flags.
So you decided to prove my point that you are illogical and resort to ad hominem attacks by not addressing any of my points and then insulting my reading comprehension? You are definitely not earning your wage today.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Query: What points?
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by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These were my points:
In the paragraph where I quoted alogical and replaced Fedor with the UFC, alogical made a point about Fedor fans. I made the point that the sentence still holds true about some UFC fans if you replace fedor with the UFC.
My next point was highlighting the irony of someone using the word “logic” in his handle, and completely abandoning logic to argue his points. He states his opinions as fact and then builds arguments out of them. If you can’t see why this is a logical fallacy, you might want to consider taking an intro to logic course at your local community college.
My next point was that alogical will often call people who don’t agree with him names and insult their intelligence (Ad Hominem attacks). For example, he called people retards if they thought Fedor won his last two fights dominantly. Again, he literally called people retarded for not agreeing with his opinion, which he presents as fact. Calling people names that you are in an argument with is yet another logical fallacy.
My next point regarded that he is a Zuffa propagandist. There is no shame in being that, except for when you are willing to say ANYTHING to try to make your point.
In response to the above, he insulted me by saying I have poor reading comprehension, and responded to exactly zero of the points I made about him. Do you see how he illustrated everything I said about him in one sentence?
Then he told me to go burn some flags. Maybe I don’t have good reading comprehension, because I have no idea where that came from or what he means by it. Is he saying I’m unpatriotic for not agreeing with him and criticizing him? Maybe you could tell me.
I don’t dislike MMAlogic. I don’t know him. I am a fan of the UFC and do find his posts about UFC related stuff to be pretty informative. But it highly ironic that he completely disregards “logic” when talking about Fedor. When he goes out on a limb and says anything he can think of to discredit his employer’s competitor, I found it very annoying. Thats why I replied to him.
Also, if swallowing Zuffa propaganda (or any propaganda for that matter) whole without any critical thought on my part means than I want to remain ignorant… then I guess I will never be informed.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you can’t see why this is a logical fallacy, you might want to consider taking an intro to logic course at your local community college.
Insulting my intelligence in a post calling out someone else for doing the same is pretty funny. I was just asking what your points were. Which boil down to mmalogic insults people and Fedro won. Fedro winning he adressed in his original post. As for the insult point, with all the amount of name calling and intelligence insulting you do as well, I think his response was in kind.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fracking IE.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett wasn’t winning the fight before he gassed/got KO’d. He was winning for the first ten seconds when he landed a jab, that’s about it.
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by Mike Fagan on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Agreed 100%
I watched the fight again today, Fedor did much better in the 1st round than I remembered
by Shaun32887 on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett who has lots of potential but is not anywhere near elite level was winning the fight until he gassed and a guy who had 2 shots at the UFC title but couldnt win was winning the fight until the overhand right. Yes I know they both lost… yada yada yada.
I seriously LOL’d so hard at that…that’s one of the most retarded comments you’ve made in a long time. What fight were you watching? I saw Fedor tossing around a far, far bigger fighter like a ragdoll at numerous occasions. I saw him rock Rogers and have him totally covering up several times. And I saw him pulling off three separate, if unsuccessful sub attempts.
Rogers exceeded the expectations that EVERYONE had for him, but he was in NO WAY even close to winning that fight…not even close.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see much like the Lyoto/ shogun fight one dude is expected to destriy the other but when the underdog lands a few shots controls the favorite its considered winning more so then surviving. Im a Fedor fan but i doubt very much he would get through the UFC hws without a loss.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that people Rec logic really worries me.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What
This comment is about 2 years late. Honestly, this board is much friendlier to non-UFC organizations than it used to be. Subo would get 7 recs for just typing the name of the organization followed by the word “SUCKZ”.
by bignerd on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohh Subo the only person ever to make water and beer come out of my nose in the same night.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Nov 9, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Riddance
IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d
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by mythbuster on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Hates BloodyElbow..
(hi subo)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree, it is frustrating seeing so many people troll and get away with it while several good posters, on both sides of the fence, have gotten banned.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Squirrel, Subo . . . I don’t remember anyone else but could be much more . . . oh wait I forgot the name of the gif guy. These two had problems keeping things in check there final days despite the pleas from admins.
by bignerd on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate smoogy with a passion, but he added value to a lot of discussions.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t hate him. but yeah, he makes Logic look like Gandhi..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PS,
Can people not choose sides, and like them both?
as long as they’re contributing and not just trolling (skwirll), they’re okay with me. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 10, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NCSAR-REC'D
good, fair and REALISTIC write up. the title is a bit misleading and i’m not sure about randy being able to beat fedor, but you just posted and said what alot of fans and writers are afraid to do, in fear of the fedor fantics who claim you to be a troll, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. FEDOR IS BEATABLE! might have made a beter headline. iv’e seen most of your post ’s somwhere on SB nation at one time or another and you are someone that i would consider very PRO-FEDOR and anything but a TROLL.
last night was a great victory for fedor and alot will take exception to anything but total praise of fedor, instead you chose to write you thoughts on how you really felt, even as a fedor fan.
Well done.
by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
please for the love of god dont let this site become sherdog
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“please for the love of god don’t let this site become sherdog” . please,don’t worry, that’s why they have mods here and why this fanpost got promoted to recommended. just b/c someone says something you don’t agree with does not make them a troll or this site anything akin to sh%tdog.
by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by funnytiger on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i dont care if i agree with them or not.
However, in the last 24 hours, i have noticed a huge surge in vitriol, back-biting, finger-pointing, a severe lack of mma basics knowledge, and CAPS LOCK.
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i said last nightm the ammount of people online after big fights…especially last night talking AT people and PUSHING opinions and declaring how they know best
is kinda revolting
if this is what mainstream MMA brings
i don’t want it
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda wanna write my thesis about the heated emotions of MMA fans after big fights/business deals…
“Emotion turning back on itself, and not leading on to thought or action, is the element of madness…”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 9, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, it'd be great
although we al understand the mania of obsession
so when the odd one goes postal
we understand if one punch is good 50 IS BETTER /rage
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But that
has nothing to do with NCSAR. But quite sadly his post has been attacked like a banana in a room of obese monkeys. He’s been called a troll and directed to Sherdog for writing a decently thought out opinion that a few people (myself included) actually agree upon.
by Captain7 on Nov 8, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor brings out the best/worst in the fans.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The heavyweights now are for the most part essentially super heavyweights. The nature of fighting in the cage gives a decided advantage to a bigger man to bully and trap a lighter opponent against the cage. The combination of the cage, Rogers being a larger man, and Fedor not being able to deliver head kicks to his downed opponent all worked to Fedor’s disadvantage. Fedor took a few more hits when he was on the ground than usual. The broken nose, now that was a bit of bad luck.
But, as always, Fedor stayed calm, made the adjustment, and KFO’s Mr. Rogers. Until proven otherwise, Fedor is the best. And the thing that makes him the best is that thing between his ears. He is the smartest fighter I have ever seen, with the exception Muhammad Ali. I am not saying he is unbeatable. I am however saying that I just don’t see anyone out there that can beat him.
by goodvitas on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and if paperface was talking elbows....
Look frodo did well last night but…
If someone more seasoned the brett rodgers was in there and using the unified rules; then elbows would be a huge problem for frodo…
I guess if he fights alistar then we will know more but i always get the feeling the frodo is the MMA messiah and to talk ill of him is blasphemy; i think that should stop.
by Beren on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Benicio on Nov 8, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Anderson Silva beatable, could not win Strikeforce title!
Jake Shields is one of the best BJJ black belts in MMA, especially the MW division. We’ve seen Anderson’s weakness: Flying scissor heel hooks. Ryo Chonan is no Jake Shields, and he made it work! Anderson would be a fish out of water trying to wade through a division with him at the top, especially if SF makes him get through Jacare first.
by pdl on Nov 8, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I lol'd
Well done my man.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fedor looked beyond beatable last night, I was just cringing when Roger’s got a hold of him up against the cage and was picturing what Brock would have done to him. Even worse when Rogers was on top dropping punches on his face, there is no doubt in my mind anyway that Brock would have mauled him last night.
He’s too big, fast, and too good a wrestler and now that he’s learned to stay away from subs he would be the heavy favorite too bad it’ll never happen. It’s funny how all the Fedor fanatics are on hyperbole overdrive after last nights peformance it’s like there were 2 different fights one in where Fedor dominated Rogers and the other in which he won a fight after getting whooped on bad.
Either way it doesn’t really matter there are clearly 2 camps of people the Fedor worshippers and the one’s who see that Brock is the best HW in the world and last night just cemented that opinion to me anyways.
by Raker on Nov 8, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was just cringing when Roger’s got a hold of him up against the cage and was picturing what Brock would have done to him.
Yeah, he really worked him over by leaning on him and holding onto the cage. And then of course we skip the part where Fedor shrugged him off and hip tossed him right afterwards. Or the times he rocked Rogers and tossed him around like a ragdoll who was 50lbs lighter.
Even worse when Rogers was on top dropping punches on his face, there is no doubt in my mind anyway that Brock would have mauled him last night.
It was an awesome 6 second moment, when it didn’t even phase the guy and he almost pulled out an armbar in tight space on the cage, only to be standing over a covering up fighter that was dropping punches on him moments before.
2 different fights […]the other in which he won a fight after getting whooped on bad.
Yeah not sure what fight you were watching in your fantasy last night while you were clutching your Brock Jakks toy. High comedy.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah not sure what fight you were watching in your fantasy last night while you were clutching your Brock Jakks toy.
lol. It would be cool if Brock faced some real competition before being declared God of All Things Martial.
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by mythbuster on Nov 8, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
randy, mir and herring
is nothing to scoff at when people are calling Lashley the next gen heavyweight to watch out for
jason guida and he couldn’t finish in style?
rly?
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What does Bobby Lashley have to do with anything?
Some folks (like Raker) are content to crown Lesnar the best heavyweight on the planet with only five fights to his name, only two of which were over top 10 competition, and one of which was a rematch with a fighter he lost to. I think Brock matches up very favorably with Fedor—I think he matches up well on paper with everyone, in fact—but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what lashley has to do with it
is called, comparison, yknow, how this article (if you can call it that) is about fedor not being able to win a UFC title, and then mentioning randy.. yet people are talking about brock and the damage he would do?
and im pretty sure raker is semi retarded and is just here to bump his metaphorical gums, because that big time fighting in that thurr cage was on his television and he liked it.. + he here’s that brock guy can do a shooting star press, he muyst be good
oh and, yea brock matches up OK with a lot of top guys, he poses some very realistic threats that we can’t deny, but he’s not the best heavyweight ont he planet right now, people can say all they want about the “freakshows” fedor has participated in, but ill be god damned if that man hasn’t beaten a heavyweight of every height, weight, and skill set..he’s diverse in his arsenal as he is in his victims
cans, and feared athletes included, i don’t think brock could have the same record as fedor, if he faught everyone he did
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
randy & others*
and solely on brock*
god damn im typing like an infant at the best of times toda
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
today*
coffee time lol
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And before we argue over the cage part...
by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
link fail...
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like ether so can can I vote for a third party or is this a two party system.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Nov 9, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“beyond beatable” is pretty damn beatable considering Fedor WASN’T beat .It was a tough fight against a game opponent , do people really think Rogers is another Hong Man Choi?
by JoelMan on Nov 10, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be silly
Hong Man Choi is blond.

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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2889/fedor2.gif
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9520/fedor4.gif
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1540/fedor3.gif
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The takedown in the 1'st gif there
is so slick. God, Fedor’s transitions are SO sicknasty.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sicknasty
and a a rec for you
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 9, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The more people that think like this the better, if Fedor vs Lesnar ever happens it will just make betting on Fedor more profitable.
by brad23 on Nov 9, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s never going to happen, M1 can’t risk their golden ticket getting mauled by Lesnar. It’s funny how oversensetive the Fedorites get, you can never seem to have a reasonable conversation with them everthing out of their mouths is hyperbole. The worst were the threads made about how even if Fedor loses he’s still the greatest HW ever or Rome already making excuses as to why the Brock/Fedor fight should never happen.
Whenever Fedor is called out on alot of his suspect moves since 2005, they love to go on rants and talk about wins he had 3 or 4 years ago to somehow justify his greatness. I get that people are fans but being a fanatic should never cloud your judgement, i’ve been as hard on some of my favorite fighters than anyone because being a fans doesn’t involve drinking the kool-aid like many of you have.
by Raker on Nov 9, 2009 6:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
1st off… I don’t think either M-1 or Zuffa will, in the end, want Fedor-Brock to happen. Too much at stake for both organisations. M-1 is scared of getting their meal ticket demolished and Dana wouldn’t want his HW poster boy beaten by a man he’s publicly called “not even top5”.
2nd… assuming Fedor does not move to beating up cans exclusively, it’s a fair assumption that he may very well lose one day. Eventually a day will come when he no longer is #1 HW. However, all those wins years ago will be relevant in the sense that he will always be considered one of the best EVER – which does not mean one of the best NOW. Case in point: Royce Gracie is no longer relevant as a world-class fighter – but he should still be considered as one of the best mixed martial artists ever.
3rd… should I be wrong and Fedor-Brock happens one day, I’d really like to see just how Fedor would fare against Lesnar’s power. Brock might have a hard time landing, but should he succeed… one punch sent Herring ass over teakettle across the cage. Simple physics more or less demand that even Fedor would react to a jackhammer like that.
by lhasafi on Nov 9, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep he’s not ready for UFC elite. I mean he’s only beat Arlovski and Silva who were top level in the UFC. Not to mention he beat the piss out of Nog. but I guess he is just some nobody.
by attgnp on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor won the fight, but he showed that he is not ready to attack the premier fighters of the UFC!
I’m a bit confused with this statement, do you really think that the best HW couldn’t hang with the UFC’s weakest division?
Lesnar aside who else would there be? Does anyone think that Mir, Carwin, JDS or Cain could beat him? I personally think that Werdum and Overeem are bigger challenges than those guys.
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by Pennywise on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im sorry but how is Werdum going to challange Fedor? He will get wrecked
by DJ Soma on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All the ones i mentioned would, but just like Belfort and Filho if he shows up to fight he can one of the best in his weight class.
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by Pennywise on Nov 9, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A UFC HW who isnt even in line for the title smashed Werdum and sent him packing. How the hell is he as good as lesnar all of a sudden?
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by judonerd on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read what i said up above. I stated that the almighty Lesnar aside that Werdum and Overeem would be the better challengers. Also i said that if the real Werdum shows up then he IS one of the top HW’s.
And I’m still not sold on Brock, beating a overrated Mir and a 46 year old LHW who hadn’t fought in over a year is still not enough to call him the best.
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by Pennywise on Nov 10, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy has a chance, but I would not say hes guranteed a win. I would have to give the edge to Fedor.. Lesnar on the other hand, would probably handle him
by DJ Soma on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy has no chance against Fedor.
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by Mike Fagan on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fight will never happen. So we have all waisted much time. The day that Fedor fights someone that is credible, wake me from my cold coffin.
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by zanshin on Nov 10, 2009 2:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Big Nog just beat Randy and Fedor destroyed Nog twice when Nog was in his prime. I don’t think Randy could beat Fedor
by J_Maddux on Nov 10, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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