Caution: Strikeforce Overnight Ratings Don't Include Overrun, Even Though the Entire Main Event Was in the Overrun
Fast overnight ratings are out for Strikeforce. The overnights only measure the ratings from 8:00pm to 11:00pm, which means the numbers contained do not include the main event of the show. The main event started at about 11:02, so the entire main event was in the overrun, which was not measured here.
But the fight was more interesting than the ratings which were not through the roof (though on par with previous MMA bouts that CBS has aired, like the one with Kimbo-Slice), keeping in mind that the post 11pm portion I haven’t seen yet will be higher, from 9p-11pm it averaged 3.79 million and a 1.7/6 rating share with adults 18-49. It did win the 10pm-11pm hour with adults 18-49 and had better results with men 18-34 where it won every half hour. Here are the ratings notes via CBS…
9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 3.50 million (#4), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#3) 9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 3.53 million (#4), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#2) 10:00 p.m. – Viewers: 4.12 million (#3), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1) 10:30 p.m. – Viewers: 4.01 million (#3), A18-49: 1.8/ 6 (#1).
Even without the overrun, it looks like the show came in much stronger than Lawler-Smith but below the Kimbo Slice shows. The first Kimbo show really benefitted from a long overrun and a 15 minute fight that went so far over that it infuriated local CBS news affiliate.
The overrun number is really the key number; everyone wants to see how Fedor did in terms of viewership. The current numbers don't tell us much about that, so we'll have to wait another day or two to find out. Be very skeptical of anyone out there calling this a disaster until we see the overrun. This show was built entirely around one fight, the main event, and did not have someone like Gina Carano to push up numbers in the co-main event.
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I have included the numbers for Male18-34 and 18-49.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even without the overrun it’s not a disaster… there were decent improvements in the demographics. It’s not great but dont expect the overrun to get even close to Kimbo’s numbers.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The overnights for the first Kimbo card on CBS also did not include his fight, so comparing the two is quite reasonable.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. but im talking about the overrun comparisons.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, folks are quick to point out the numbers don’t include Fedor, but the Kimbo/Elite early numbers did not include Kimbo.
Excluding main events, this did better than the second Elite show but falls short of the Kimbo cards.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers where still good
im no raitings expert but thoes still looked pretty good oi think it would of done better if they had promoted mayhem shields more
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by MaZZacare on Nov 8, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
They had to be careful not to promote that fight too hard given that it could turn out…well….like it did
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller/Shield actually lost veiwers. Promoting it heavily would have hurt them because it would have resulted in more focus on that fight and how folks reacted to it.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that the whole dam time that this fight is making people change the channel. Breen said it last night on Beat down after the bell what did strike Force think was going to happen in that fight ? They should of saw a long boring drawn out decision when making that fight. Shields a good wreslter with good top control. Miller horrible take down Def but still good enuff to squirm out of subs and not be finished. Bottom line the shields fight should of never been shown and its hard for me to belive Strike Forcw will risk putting him on a CBS card again. I thinkl Jake’s 5 round title defenses will strictly be showtime material ?
by Shocbomb on Nov 8, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thinkl Jake’s 5 round title defenses will strictly be showtime material
Jake has finished eight of his last nine opponents. Let’s not go tarring and feathering the guy for one fight. As you pointed out, Mayhem is the worst possible opponent you could give Jake Shields from an entertainment perspective. Now that that fight is out of the way, Jake will go back to tapping out anyone who gets in the cage with him.
Shields fights are plenty entertaining. No one at CBS/Showtime was complaining when he tapped out Lawler/Daley/Thompson/Pyle. Cut the guy some slack.
by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He used up 5 rounds of slack on their big debut card on CBS.
I wouldn’t blame them for not putting him on CBS again.
by Razreshat on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There wasnt one draw on the whole card so not too bad considering
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How much
How much do you think that the actual main event Fedor vs Rogers has done?
Has it a chance to reach 5 or 6 millions?
by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I bet it will be within 10% of the 10:30-11:00 number,
by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5 mil maybe, but not 6 million. I don’t see the numbers jumping 2 million in a matter of minutes.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally there would be a healthy bump but in this case because of the Shields/Mayhem fight (which I thought was the best fight of the night) it might not have gotten the same bump it should have.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that number is high enough to drown out the number of complaints that arise from the overrun.
It sucks, but I’m sure there are going to be people that went to turn on the news and saw Brett Rogers on top of a bleeding Fedor and punching him and thought that the world was coming to an end.
It’s tough to start at 8 because of college football, but maybe they should start the next card at 8 to avoid the overrun going into the news.
by Phildo on Nov 8, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna go with Josh Gross here since he’s showtimes brilliant “advisor” and say anything less than 5.5m viewers is a disappointment. lol
But in reality even these numbers are a success in the right “context”… they are a success in that CBS made demo improvements with practically free novelty programming.
It’s a failure in that these numbers produce no new meaningful leverage points for Showtime/Strikeforce… in terms of capital acquisition, etc…
Also this card cost more than the kimbo card.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and M1 gets a chunk of any money they did make….
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
M1 gets half of the gate but that’s really a wash because Kimbo’s gate didnt really produce anything. It’s the upfront fees paid out to M1 that puts the direct cost of this card above Kimbo’s.
I expect Fedors next fight to be on showtime cuz momma needs to get paid. Fedor vs Werdum is a useless fight anyway.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
putting on a showtime a premium channel you have to pay for vs a free network is going to cut the ratings in half. =
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but they need to pull in some memberships… There will be a day when the 3headed idiots at showtime will have to go to the board and ask for a significantly greater budget for this “mma venture” they are playing with and before they do that their gonna have to show something.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ratings don’t matter on Showtime, what they get paid from network does.
by Phildo on Nov 8, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is a loss leader for Strikeforce and CBS. They lose money on this card but they’re hoping he’ll draw enough attention to make money on their other shows and future broadcasts. The jury is still out if it’s going to work.
by nottheface on Nov 8, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Using a guy with only 3 fights as a loss leader is kinda of risky but I agree he’s here to get them to the next level: “FUNDING” unfortunately the numbers dont look dazzling enough.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They spend this money for the next year pushing fedor and he decides to go to the UFC where does that leave strikeforce? dead…
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget that M-1 Global made money themselves outside of the US.
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna go with Josh Gross here since he’s showtimes brilliant "advisor" and say anything less than 5.5m viewers is a disappointment. lol
There is no doubt in my mind that Gross will be doing some serious backpedaling on that number. Either that or he’ll just pretend he never said it.
Regardless of the what the final number is, Gross will find a way to declare it a success.
by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean like how he said the best needed to fight the best and then made excuses for Fedor not signing with the UFC.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that it was the UFC who failed to sign Fedor. Fedor had other options and he chose a better one in Strikeforce.
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit. The two sides failed to come to terms.
Putting it on one side or the other is beyond silly.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The two sides failed to come to terms.
That’s exactly my opinion. If I were the head of the UFC, would I do a co-promotion with M-1 Global? Probably not. If I were Fedor, would I chose the UFC? Probably not.
That was a business decision for both parties and it’s pretty stupid to blame Dana/UFC or Fedor/M-1 Global. They simply failed to come to terms, no big deal – happens all the time.
BUT, if we were pointing fingers, the UFC would have to take the blame, simply because there is only one Fedor and many MMA organizations, and NOT vice versa.
An example. I want to buy a car and I get two proposals from two different car dealers. I look at these proposals, choose the one I feel is the best, and buy from that car dealer. The dealer who lost, can say all he wants about me “failing to buy a car from him”, but the reality is that it’s the dealer’s fault for not being able to convince me to buy a car from him.
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor and M-1 had no intention of signing with the UFC unless co promotion was on the table. They kept putting the goal posts further and further back. Neither side could come to terms, but the UFC gave it everything except co-promotion. I personally don’t think Fedor will ever fight in the UFC because of his management and their goals of co-promotion, as well as a general dislike and distrust of Dana White.
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by pud333 on Nov 8, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forget one tiny thing: it was the UFC who was acting stupid by not signing Fedor in 2007. The UFC basically gave an agreement and said to sign it. When Vadim and Fedor tried to ask for some tiny adjustments (like Sambo-competetions), they were told “Screw you guys, we don’t even want to listen to you – sign the contract as it is or GTFO”. That’s when the whole M-1 Global co-promotion and Affliction things started. If not the UFC’s unreasonable demands (the demands, that the UFC gladly and easily dropped – only a few years too late), and unwillingness to listen – non of the current MMA history would happen – Fedor would have been in the UFC for a long time already, we would have seen our Fedor vs Randy dream bout years ago, we wouldn’t see any Affliction fightcards, the Strikeforce would still be a small regional promotion, M-1 would have still been an European promotion, etc etc etc…
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, but Gross’s point was the best have to fight the best. Zuffa conceded on everyone of their sticking points (sambo, M-1 banners, no champions clause, and alot of money) but then all of sudden they wanted half. ok…That’s their right.
But is it fair to say Zuffa didnt do everything it could. Fedor and co liked something different, ok… That’s fine.
The problem I have with this idiot is he first blames Zuffa for it and then when it’s clear that Zuffa conceded on everything that was the original problem and Fedor simply chose somewhere else he made excuses and illustrated why those fights made more “sense”.
If you have an agenda that’s fine just dont contradict yourself and look like a fool.
And here he’s doing it again… He said less than 5.5 m viewers and this would be considered a disappointment and now he’s saying something else.
Let me tell you a secret: He has an agenda and some people at showtime actually listen to what he says. What Showtime doesnt realize is how inept he is in analyzing this business
All of these orgs from affliction to the WFA and now showtime use these mental midgets as their primary sounding boards for what will work in this business.
That’s like me asking rocknroll bloggers what type of artists to sign for my recording label and how to run it. These people are so far removed from main stream reality and so entrenched with their die hard tastes and biases they have no clue what kind of music actually sells, why it sells and how it sells… They cant fathom why the mainstream is different from them.
I dont know whether he does it on purpose or because he’s been in this business for so long and he just cant help it.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people just can’t admit when they’re wrong.
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by pud333 on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa conceded on everything that was the original problem
The original problem = two years ago. Fedor and Vadim said, that if the proposed terms (we are not talking about money!) would have been the same two years ago – they would have signed the contract. The UFC didn’t even want to listen to the suggestions, so this whole M-1 Global thing started. And they have been successfully working on it for two years now (M-1 Challenge, M-1 Selection, co-promoting big shows etc). It’s pretty natural, that the two-years-old contract was too little, too late.
he made excuses and illustrated why those fights made more "sense".
I am not 100% sure to what kind of articles you are referring, but my understanding is a little different. Fedor chose the best proposal (Strikeforce’s). The UFC may have a different opinion, but it’s a fact – Fedor chose the proposal, which was the best in his opinion. “Best proposal” is not the same as “the biggest money”. It contains a lot of different things (dealing with a cursing Dana was probably a huge disadvantage of the UFC proposal). And my understanding is that Gross simply tried to explain to his readers why the Strikeforce was a better option than the UFC.
As for the topic of the journalism: there is such a huge amount of UFC/Dana nuthuggers among the journalists, that having a few Dana-critical journalists is actually a little bless. :)
An analogy: American Fox tells us that the republicans’ have “a balanced opinion”, and that democrats are pretty much left-wing socialistic communists. But looking from the Europe, both American republicans and democracts pretty clearly look like the ultra right-wing fanatics. I hope my analogy was understood. :)
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok… Fedor has a right to sign wherever he wants. That’s not the argument here.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was part of the discussion.
As for the “Gross = idiot” statement, I won’t argue with it – you have a right for your opinion.
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gross already has:
From Twitter:
Triple digit increases men 18-34 & 18-49 over typical Saturday night, which is exactly what CBS was looking for.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then he’ll sacrifice a lamb and drink baby blood praying for the end of the ufc
by cagefightonacid on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure CBS was also looking to lose 43% of their usual overall rating for that time slot (which is produced by replays) I dont care how much you improve on a demo… In a network platform losing 43% of your usual overall rating is not what any sane executive is “looking for”
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that Miller has to be the biggest loser of the night. Jake was dull, but won.
Miller got owned for the bulk of the bout. The sub was slick, but playing the role of grappling dummy is not going to help him. Especially since that fight lost viewers.
by Lynchman on Nov 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah it’s kind of hard acting like a douchebag after getting raped on national TV.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
raped literally he probably has 2nd degree hump burns.
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think bolth Miller and Shields were the lsers bottom line people don’t want to tune in and see fights like that. It makes them change the channel.
by Shocbomb on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo comparisons isnt really fair because he’s more a circus act (anomoly) than the norm. Lets be real.
So here’s some perspective on the CBS numbers:
UFC 75 was a live show on saturday night which aired on spike. This was over 2 years ago when MMA wasn’t as popular as it is today and on spike TV which is an ant compared to CBS.
Also keep in mind neither Hendo (it was his first fight) or quinton were draws at the time.
You ready? This show produced 4.7 million viewers and peaked at over 5.6 million.
Ironically UFC 75 was produced free on spike as a benchmark and a control test for non other than CBS :)
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what the point of this is.
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by Mike Fagan on Nov 8, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 2 years ago is still more popular then Strikeforce and Fedor
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has that ever been in doubt?
Also, dismissing Rampage as “not a draw” when he came off one of the top two or three UFC PPV’s with regards to mainstream media coverage is a bit disingenuous.
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by Mike Fagan on Nov 8, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Farthammer on Nov 8, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Rampage was a draw at that time? against Hendo? OK, good for you…
Here’s a little exercise:
Imagine Rampage vs Hendo under the Affliction banner and ask yourself if they would have produced less or roughly the same amount of ppv’s BACK AT THAT TIME as Fedor produced headlining that card…
The point of this is contrast… in order to decipher what these numbers mean objectively you have to look at comparable facts and data… Rampage nor Hendo was more of a draw than Fedor vs Brett Rogers yet 2 years ago we can look at ratings on spike versus ratings on CBS today and deduce how successful it is in relation to the marketplace.
This comparison is more important than Kimbo on CBS or Kimbo on TUF or Kimbo in the Tuf Finale (which everyone is and will be comparing it to) because as I said earlier Kimbo is an anomaly/circus act and the comparison doesn’t reflect the true market realities.
You cant really compare it to the second elite show because the payroll is not even close (even though the second show is a better comparison than Kimbos) however the payroll is very close to what UFC 75’s payroll was 2 years ago. So all these factors put together you have great data sets to compare and analyze.
This article is about the strikeforce ratings and what they mean right? then hopefully you now understand the POINT of that data/comparison and its importance in the discussion.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was also the 1st UFC PPV to be offered for free on TV. Wasn’t exactly uneventful, not mention is was billed as the 1st UFC vs Pride fight.
by bignerd on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict the final numbers will be hugely different. The promotion of the card was completely about the main event and there was a good amount of promotion.
by Razz on Nov 8, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So you predict that a whole bunch of people who had no interest in the rest of the card will suddenly tune in for a main event that didn’t even take place during the scheduled timeslot of the broadcast? How exactly did those people know when to tune in?
I don’t buy it.
The numbers will pick up slightly (10%) versus what they ended the 10:30-11:00 timeslot. The Fedor Rogers fight will come in around 4.5MM viewers.
by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is alot of people tune in at 11:00pm for their local news so the inflated overrun number on a network is not really accurate in determining Fedor’s Draw or whether the show was a success.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t know about that. I think there were a lot of viewers that got turned off by the Miller / Shields fight. Even if that fight had not been a half and hour dud, I don’t think you’d see a huge spike for the Fedor fight. It’ll be up, but it won’t be killer.
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by pud333 on Nov 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. the shields/miller fight was probably the most boring fight to casual fans, and that fight and the fedor/rogers fight had the longest break between them that i think i have ever seen. hardcores were not going to miss it for nothing and i like shields /miller, but i could see alot of casual fans, the majority watching, actually being bored enough along with the long break to actually turn the channel. i’m probably wrong, but i’ll bet there was a few.
by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If people wanted to watch Fedor they would have tuned in by 10:30. This overrun business is mostly nonsense on a network because people who are tuning in at 11:00 are tuning in for their local news… not for Fedor. CBS knows this and every advertiser knows this.
What they look at is 10:30 and 10:45. If you wanna know how much of a draw he is look at those frames.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So in your "expert" analysis
if you want to know how much of a draw Fedor is you should look at the time frames that he wasn’t fighting in?
As a Zuffa shill you are FAR from credibly objective but you really are grasping for straws.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has more to do with WHEN he was supposed to fight. If the event is scheduled for 2 hours long (on your tv guide), and he is the headliner, then he will be fighting at the end. Therefore, if you were to tune in to watch Fedor, you would tune in around that time.
by MMAWrestling on Nov 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and if you wanted to watch the fight, you would have left the TV on CBS until he fought. Or is that outside of the realm of possibilities?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is not outside of the realm of possibilities. However, the fact that local news starts at 11 says a lot. But you are even saying that they would leave the TV on until he fought. Therefore, the numbers starting at 10:30 should be going up because of Fedor. This is why those numbers are the most important.
by MMAWrestling on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if you were planning on watching the Fedor fight you would tune in at 11? use some common sense….
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did plan on watching the Fedor fight
and started watching at 9. I watched the whole card. The only thing that proves is that you assumed to know something, and were promoting the product of your imagination as if it was a fact.
alogical, do you think things always happen in the real world the way they work out in your head?
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be getting really worked up about nothing.
Does it take that much brain power to figure out that if someone tuned in at 9, 10 or 10:30 to watch Fedor and left the show on until he fought that it won’t create some giant ratings jump when he actually fought?
by Phildo on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really care. I’m a fan, and as such I have no idea why people on this site are so fixated with ratings, drawing power, and celebrity status.
It makes me laugh, however, that someone who’s handle is “logic” completely abandons logic when he argues his points. He literally asked me a question, incorrectly assumed he knew my answer to his question, and then asked me to use common sense.
And thats my beef with this conversation. Alot of people are speculating on things that are opinions, they can’t possibly know, like the viewing behavior of tens of thousands of people watching TV. Then they act like these opinions are facts and convoluted arguments flow from there. Whats funny is that it is the opposite of logic.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 8, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is nobdoy planning to watch Fedor was planning to tune in at 11pm.
for fuck sake is that too complicated to understand?
by mmalogic on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Shields killed their growth.
The numbers are where I expected. Better than Lawler/Smith, but not as good as the Kimbo shows.
The main beneficiary is Fedor. 5 million saw a spectacular KO. Dana would never admit it but when he goes 3-0 on CBS and returns to the table UFC will be offering him even more money.
by Michael Rome on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I had the same kind of feeling (about Shields). :(
It isn’t about the money.
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by mikser on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this case, the money is not an issue.
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by mikser on Nov 9, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care about viewers but..
I was disappointed with some of the production.. They had terrible camera transfers during contest’s.. Many times I was yelling at the TV for the ref to get the hell out of the way so I could see the action.. Most of the angles they used to shoot the footage were bad angles..
Some of the video looked foggy in certain cameras too.. The fighter intro’s were a bit over board IMO.. It’s a fight.. not a WWE Smackdown show..They still need to learn that the substance doesn’t have to be added entertainment.. The fight’s are the true substance.. Focus on grounding your product before you try to introduce anything extra..
This is why I think the UFC has a stranglehold on the market (outside of it’s roster and card frequency).. Their production value is unmatched by light years… Even the tiniest little things like that make a world of difference for most..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Nov 8, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Yet all the Zuffa hating armchair producers will tell you their production is terrible. Who cares about things like camera angles, a dependable audio feed, and fights going off on schedule when you can have a ramp, dancing and pyro. That’s what MMA is really all about after all.
by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I notice a lot of stuff that annoyed the hell out of me. From the camera angles that at times where just weird, to the slow transitions from blocked shots. Did anyone else find miking the refs annoying? They just seemed so loud and distracting from the fight to me. Its weird I guess, but I never noticed it before in a match but…it just really annoyed me.
I am also incredibly pissed by my Tivo as I had the even set to record with a 1 hour over run and for some reason, the damn thing just cut out right at the end of the hour so I got to see Fedor walk into the ring and then the interview when I tried to rapidly switch to the live channel. Maybe I shouldn’t talk shit about anyone’s ability at production values…..
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 8, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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