Jake Shields Claims Cung Le Is Ducking Him
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 2:15 PM EST
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At the post-fight press conference for Strikeforce: Fedor v. Rogers, Jake Shields stated the following:
Cung won't fight me. That's why he vacated the belt obviously...and then fights a month later.
It was an odd moment with Shields trying to display some personality while giving off facial expressions that seemed to display a level of discomfort. His point does make sense to a point and it never hurts to try and build up to a big fight but he just didn't look comfortable doing it. The video is here and around 2:30 is the moment in question. A side note, the guy who yells "yeah Jake!" is Gilbert Melendez who seemed to spend a lot of time trying to take some of the sting away from the chorus of boos that greeted Shields following his victory. It was the most aggressive response I've ever seen for a title winner.
Cung had his time at the mic and responded with the fact that he just had a schedule opening because a filming got changed so he got in the gym for two weeks and felt like he could be ready so he took the fight with Smith.
I just hope Strikeforce doesn't chase promoting this fight too hard because Shields actually lost most of his limited "star power" with a dominant but dreadfully boring decision over Miller and Le is apparently only interested in fighting when his movie schedule allows him to do so.
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Regardless of the question of ducking, is there any question at all that Shields wins this fight?
by verloc on Nov 8, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt in my mind Shields would win and win quickly with a submission, only because his grappling is so incredible. But last night Shields really proved that he’s not an elite mixed martial artist in my opinion. He is an elite grappler perhaps, but he desperately needs to learn how to apply some ground and pound. It’s fine if he wants to take somebody down repeatedly, but don’t just lay on them and punch them ever-so-softly. Work some submission attempts at least! It’s a fight, not ADCC. I really love the grappling aspect of MMA but even I was bored by his performance in the later rounds. Round 4 in particular was completely shameful.
PS I just heard on a football highlight that one football player today went “Fedor Emelianenko” on some other player! Sweet!
by Cliff Speed on Nov 8, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you’re saying man, there wasn’t a lot of punching and damage, but I kinda think that it’s not just about damage, it’s about control and aggression. Well, Shields had the control, and was aggressively looking for that control. It’s not the ADCC; Mayhem had time on the feet to throw and looked much better than Shields when he did, but the onus is on Mayhem to stop him. Same think with the controlling on the ground; I think Shields held him down because he knew Mayhem would break out if he tried anything. Mayhem is very good on the ground, but in that position, the onus is on Mayhem to escape from that control, not on Shields to try something that will let him escape. Or the ref can stand them up.
Is he an elite? The only way to say that is to put him up against some elite competition that could beat him; I think the most interesting fight is GSP, I think A.Silva would blow him out of the water. I like Zaromskis too, I don’t know what would happen there.
by verloc on Nov 8, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the most aggressive response I’ve ever seen for a title winner.
Ive not compared the 2, but Machida got booed pretty heavily after the Shogun fight. Although, maybe that was the decision being booed more than the fighter.
by -Sam on Nov 8, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it was the decision because machida fought his heart out just like shogun. shields is the most boring fighter ever! even more boring than matt hughes imho! shields needs to remember that this shit is on cbs and ppl will think this is mma. boring ppl’s brain out of there scull, with a fighter that doesnt do shit with dominating positions! if you get 1 do something with it dont lay and pray! else you lose in my view…
by STEVENvanGEEL on Nov 8, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sherk dont just pin someone down he grinds on people and makes them work, Shields on the other hand just locked up Mayhem’s legs and pushed him in the fence and kept him there
by Riley_96 on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shields had finished his last eight fights before this one and only 2 made it out of the first round. He was trying for submissions and transitioning. Why would he stand and trade when Miller is clearly a stronger striker. he fought someone in 7 seven years, what did we expect would happen.
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by Zach Krantz on Nov 8, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he was so dominating that he could end the fight if he worked his gnp better, come guys… :x
by STEVENvanGEEL on Nov 8, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sherk boxes because people think anything on the ground is ghey or boring, even when someone is rapidly transitioning, working from a dominant position, but is unable to finish a very game opponent. So now we have to deal with Sherk/Koscheck/Gurgel syndrome.
by pdl on Nov 8, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shields finished eight straight leading up to Miller, Lawler, Daley Thompson etc Shields is an exciting fighter, he could be the KING KONG of the welterweight division in SF, but he is fighting in the MW div. because it has several top 10-20 fighters (WW has only a couple top20)
Shields is fighting the bigger, more highly ranked opponents for NO additional pay, all he gets is “more compelling fights” Respect Shields !!!
by oakmantex on Nov 14, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sat there...
while a guy was 3 feet away from Shields screaming that he is the worst fighter on earth and people SCREAMED “BOOOO!” in his face. it was…really bad
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.. thats harsh. The booing was definitely audible in the broadcast, but that level of viciousness didnt come across.
by -Sam on Nov 8, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jake shields style of fighting almost put me to sleep.
i think cung le with those legs kicks of his to the stomach and legs could keep shields away and hopefully he could land a kick to shields temple and knock out shields and his boring azz style of fighting.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 8, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but they boo’d his walk out, it was like half the crowd came right from watching MTV. The 3 guys behind me boo’d (they shouted USA during the Fedor fight) I asked them why they didn’t like Shields, guy says I don’t know him, but Mayhem is really cool.
by oakmantex on Nov 14, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Jake
Cung Le would kick the shit out of you. LITERALLY.
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by Deo Wade on Nov 8, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats why i want to see the fight
jake likes to think he is a top fighter
lets see him handle a top striker
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like Lawler, Daley, Sakurai Condit or some of the 13 other top 10 and 20 fighters he has on his record?
by oakmantex on Nov 14, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if that fight ever happens i just hope he defends the belt once
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by MaZZacare on Nov 8, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t wanna fight shields either i mean who would want to get humped on live tv for 15 mins lol
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
title fight = 25 minutes
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ohh yeah guess i fell asleep for 4-5
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i mean who would want to get humped on live tv for 15 mins
War Machine?
by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
should of knew that was coming haha
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by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see hendo destroy shields
by kanodogg on Nov 8, 2009 2:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Shields was like when tim sylvia was the hw champ… the dude knew how to win but thats not the same as winning over fans…
by pandaboy99 on Nov 8, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even if its true
Does anyone but Shields care?
by Dabashire on Nov 8, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shields did more or less the same thing as Cain against Kongo, yet he sucks and Cain rocks.
by dancingChicken on Nov 8, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a huge Cain fan, but even though he couldn’t finish Kongo, he was at least dishing out some punishment. He beat him up for three full rounds.
by kid_eh on Nov 8, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, people like to see blood and bruises. Thats what makes the fight exciting (this and unconscious man on the ground).
by dancingChicken on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it has nothing to do with “blood and bruses” but its the fact that shields could not do any thing in the form of offence, just keep mayhem down. DOnt get me wrong a win is a win but he said he could beat GSP, after seeing him last night he would get destroyed against GSP.
Mayhem hardly had any damage on him, Rothwell and Knogo is another story
by Riley_96 on Nov 8, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aparently it has something to do with “blood and bruises”, because you’re another person who says something about “damage”.There was grappling offence in that fight. He didn’t just keep him down. There were a lot of sweeps, transitions, submission attempts.
I understand that Cain’s 250 soft punches made his fight with Kongo worth watching, but his ground controll sucks and is boring.
by dancingChicken on Nov 9, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said he sucks?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and we know that these same fans...
are impressed with Cain?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cain inflicts damage
and seems busier when his powerless shots are flying in at like 15 punches in 8 seconds
sheilds did what mayhem said he wouldnt do, get the takedown, and hold him there
i kinda wanted more from miller i guess, so i vent my frustration on sheilds being boring
even though he did what he set out to do
oh well
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cain inflicts damage?
I dunno about that one. Just ask Rothwell.
by Discman2 on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh for crying out loud...
are you kidding me? the same rogers that had the “ive just been bukakke’d” expression on his face at the start of round 2..
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Thank you for putting THAT image in my head…..now I have to go wash my eyes out with lye
by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not you. You said only it was boring. I would say it was monotonous.
But if I didn’t watch the fight, and read all the comments I would have thought that it was bad fight.
“Shields really proved that he’s not an elite mixed martial artist…”
“I wouldn’t wanna fight shields either i mean who would want to get humped on live tv for 15 mins lol”
“LAY AND PRAY! If you get in full mount that many times and you dont smash the other guys face….. YOU SUCK! Join a wrestleing league, not MMA.”
+boos…
by dancingChicken on Nov 8, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Cung Le, I’d duck Shields, too. Terrible match-up for Le.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
now..if i was E.Honda
i’d take that fight _
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not ducking, its just smart
Cung isn’t trying to be the best MW in the world. He just wants to come in and put on some fun fights for the fans and collect a big paycheck + added starpower for his efforts. Therefore, he is only looking to take on stand up fighters that like to slug.
Smith is the perfect opponent for him. Its a guaranteed show. Shields would be a terrible choice. It would probably be a very lopsided and boring loss
by HighNoon on Nov 8, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
not impressed with his performance last night
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"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am
Right there with you, if he is not the most boring fighter ever he is at least in the top 5
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by Dmerit on Nov 8, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Breen was talking bout how a couple Strikeforce fighters are bad matchups for Shields
Jacare would be a bad matchup for Shields because Jacare is simply better on the ground than Shields is. Jacare may even have better standup than Shields. Lindland is also a bad matchup for Shields because Lindland would be much harder to take down, and I could see Lindland lay n preying on Shields.
by chrisbboy82 on Nov 8, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I caught up with Cung and he talked about how the fight went down and why he prefers Smith to Shields as an opponent.
http://www.heavy.com/post/insiders-view-backstage-at-strikeforce-1422
Video up shortly…
by JonathanSnowden on Nov 8, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link Jonathan
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted a video here too. I enjoyed meeting you and, as usual, coverage here was great!
by JonathanSnowden on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A far as Jake looking uncomfortable and calling out Cung like a douche, I think its safe to assume Shields learned to fight because he got his ass kicked a lot as a kid. I remember guys like him, and they never stopped talking, even after they got manhandled at lunch.
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why yes, that’s the very definition of a safe assumption!
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Shields has a big mouth? Shields got his ass kicked a lot as a kid even though he was a good high school wrestler?
by hlebtasic on Nov 8, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he has a big mouth and talks a lot of unecessary trash, and yeah, im SPECULATING that a lot of fights in the playground caused by his mouth led to him joining the wrestling team and learning how to fight—the reason that a LOT of people learn how to fight, to keep from getting their ass kicked again.
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the reason that a LOT of people learn how to fight, to keep from getting their ass kicked again.
And this is a bad thing WHY? Looks at GSP taking up kyokushin
by Chortles on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did i say it was a bad thing? I’m implying that at some opint, jake’s mouth probably got him into a lot of trouble when he was younger
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the vid at 2:30 and imagine him at 12 years old, you’ll probably understand what Im getting at
by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love watching Cung fight, but there is no doubt he’s in the same camp as Frank Shamrock, Tito, Chuck, Kimbo, Matt Hughes, etc – fighters that get called out a lot because the rewards of beating them are significantly greater than the risk of fighting them.
by Jahbulon on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn brent brookhouse ? i think your words were pretty damn harsh!! there was some excellent jiujitsu in that fight and the transitions were beautiful and it was like a breath of fresh air because the jiujitsu in most mma fight is terrible! I guess there arent any jiujitsu fighters posting here..very sad.
Im not saying Jake would beat Cung but it would be entertaining watching Jake try and take Cung down.
Whats with the hate ?
by radamez85 on Nov 8, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sort legs?
Does jake have short legs or something? I was screaming for him to get the bodylock the whole fight. He was on mayhem’s back plenty of times and could never hold it. He finaly got a body lock in the 5th round and couldnt hold it . Was really dissapointed in his back controol .
by beerdo on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shields was boo’ed during his walk out, it was strange like half the room just came from watching Bully Beatdown. The 3 guys behind me were booing(during the Fedor fight they started a USA chant) I asked them why they didn’t like Shields. Guy says I don’t know about him but Mayhem is really cool.
by oakmantex on Nov 14, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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