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UPDATED: Fedor Emelianenko Injures Nose, Hand in Strikeforce Victory Over Brett Rogers

Sherdog has the story:

Fedor Emelianenko suffered a broken nose and injured his left hand during his heavyweight bout with Brett Rogers Saturday at Strikeforce/M-1 Global "Fedor vs. Rogers," Sherdog.com has learned from a source close to the fighter's camp.

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After attending a post-fight press conference, Emelianenko was sent to local hospital. He returned later the same evening with his left arm in a soft cast nearly up to his elbow.

UPDATE: MMA Weekly has a report from Fedor's camp denying that the nose is broken:

Fedor Emelianenko did not sustain a broken nose in his Saturday fight with Brett Rogers, according to a member of his camp.

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Steven Bash, Emelianenko's translator and American representative, said Sunday that the jab caused a deep cut to his nose, but did not damage it in any other way.

Bash confirmed that Emelianenko injured his left hand and may have dislocated his thumb requiring it to be popped back into place. The Russian heavyweight was later outfitted with a soft cast at a Chicago area hospital.

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Ruh Roh.

Looks like we won’t be seeing another Fedor fight until late spring / early summer of 2010. The ouchie he got smashing Zulu’s giant noggin kept him out for 10 months. Hopefully this one is not as serious.

by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor always has some sort of imjury. The Broke nose was to be expected but seriously how many times is his hand going to be injured?

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

injury*

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hand injuries recur quite often. And his style of punching isn’t going to help.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor hand injury…. first time for everything.

by JujiGatame on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

as hard as he threw that last right ...

i’m surprised he didn’t break it. it sounded like the butt of an axe hitting a tree.

i was glued to that match-up last night. Rogers did well, but Fedor is Fedor. pay attention, people. we won’t see another fighter like him anytime soon.

by bobthewriter on Nov 8, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Most of us have been paying attention to him for the better part of a decade now.

by Excelsior! on Nov 8, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

most have been saying “Cro Cop will beat him … Josh Barnett has a shot … Big Nog will beat him … he has to lose sometime, right? … Fedor’s fighting cans … Fedor’s on the downside of a once-great career …”

the guy’s the best fighter in the world. period. end of story.

by bobthewriter on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know of any PRIDE fans accusing Fedor of fighting cans. Most hardcores have felt like Fedor is the G.O.A.T. for a long, long time. I seriously have no clue what you’re talking about.

by Excelsior! on Nov 10, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not paying attention....

The only one I pay attention to is the TRUE #1 Fighter of the World. BROCK LESNAR!

Until that Russian Ice-Cream Man comes to the UFC and takes down(if he can) Brock, I ain’t buying what he and his M-1 GLOBAL mafia cronies are selling, man.

He can beat Overeem…..Werdum…and whatever other “Cans” they find. It won’t erase the fact that the TRUE Test lies in the UFC. As far as I’m concerned, whenever the “MMA Rankings” come out, and I see Fedor on there as #1, I simply erase Fedor from the list entirely and move everyone up a position.

Fedor hasn’t proven ANYTHING aside that he has a horseshoe stuck up his backside or something…

by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know......

It’s shit like this that gives all people who like Brock a bad name. It is possible to like him without going around screaming his name and shitting on everyone else.

by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought it was pretty funny, trying to be like Don Frye.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet you he broke it when he lunged at Rogers on the ground..

I said to my wife right away I bet he broke his hand with that shot because he missed and hit the canvas hard…

He definitely isn’t the prettiest puncher in the fight business… but the guy just keeps coming and always seems to find his mark.. lol

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by MMAuthority on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

and he throws with everything he has.

Fedor’s punching power is truly scary.

by bobthewriter on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was under the impression that it was his left hand and I thought it might of happened when he cracked rogers with a left follow up and brett went scrambling for cover.

by bleve_ on Nov 8, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im waiting for the overnights to get the viewership.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hi mmalogic

Was not Fedor next fight guaranteed to be in the UFC according to your own words? And the EA game going to be a WEC game? Seems like you were wrong again.

Now you can admit it, was it pure provocation or real thoughts?

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'ing this

for manning up.
well done logic.

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by Kid Nate on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

touche* now stfu lol kids

by sexyama on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget Showtime is in on the scam too.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

But the problem was that even after the negociations failed you claimed that Zuffa had the right of one Fedor fight from Affliction and it ended up being wrong.

I remember that you were defending this thesis and was completely sure about it.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zuffa did have that option but it came with alot of shit from M1 and it just didnt make sense… guess what the lawsuit is about?

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean everything is going to come out with the lawsuit.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

Don’t turn this into a “other guy was wrong” comment section. He admitted he was wrong…move the conversation back to the topic of the post

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for this

If we spent all day on here calling each other out for everything we’ve been wrong about then there’d be no time to talk MMA. Where’s everyone who had “a feeling” about Rogers last night? It just doesn’t matter that much.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was real inside information

just reflected the sometimes over confidence of the zuffa brass.

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by Kid Nate on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The same people who cry “its all about the fighters” and UFC is strong arming this guy and that guy by not giving him a signing bonus or whatever…. dont give a shit when a non-zuffa org is doing something 100 times worse. ok.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is that you are the one who thinks that. You are completely outside the situation and you talk as if you knew everything, even if that ends up being wrong every time.

Fedor said himselfs that he was very happy with Strikeforce and M1 and did not like the UFC offer.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

laundering payments this way to M1 primarily for Fedors services…

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DO YOU KNOW THIS FOR A FACT??? YOU DONT! YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH FEDOR IS BEING PAID. STOP ACTING LIKE IF YOU KNOW INSIDE INFORMATION!!!!1

The difference is that fighters in the UFC ARE complaining. Fedor is not. He sais he’s happy with M-1. Did you not see FightCamp360? He said he loves his small town and he’s happy.

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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Because you know Fedor?

See what I did there? Stop jumping on each other, the only people who know what is going on are the insiders in the industry. Not keyboard warriors.

by Riney on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that the called insiders are always wrong when they are not directly manipulated.

Fedor will sign with the UFC
The UFC offered 5 millions
Fedor next fight will be in the UFC
Fedor will fight Ricco Rodriguez
Mousasi has a beef with M1
The EA video game will turn into a WECX videgame.

All of that has been compltely wrong.

Fighters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “insiders”

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. There’s a lot that goes on on the inside that people can’t talk about publicly, and fighters understand that. Often times their managers specifically tell them what to say or when to avoid saying anything, it’s part of their job.

by pdl on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is absurd

It doesn’t matter who’s side you’re on (I tend to favor the Zuffa side), one of the only things I dislike on BE is when these random-ass posts become forums for UFC v. M-1/Showtime/Affliction etc…

You’d think the headline was “Fedor Emelianenko Earns $2000 in Network Television Debut”

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the vitriol is totally unnecessary

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

let’s take the aggression down a notch everyone.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because I know Fedor? No. Because he said so out of his own mouth. I’m no keyboard warrior I’m an MMA fan.

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go read the lawsuit… you dont need inside information to see how they structure things. Just learn to read.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is this for becuase I honestly (and probabaly 99% of the fans) don’t give a rats ass what they pay Fedor and what M-1 takes. I just want to see him fight.

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok so this now your argument? don’t waste my time with your foolishness.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto sexxxaaayyy yaammmmaaa > wanderlei by pure sexiness

by sexyama on Nov 8, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I bet if Fedor winked at Brock...

….Brock would think he was “checking him out”. lol.

by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s with everyone always getting so worked up by mmalogic’s comments. Newsflash people: HE WORKS FOR ZUFFA. He’s partisan, so you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He’s got some great insight, and some stuff he says sounds as if it came from the pages of Pravda. MMASuPreMacy is the same, but spinning for the other side. Although, I must say, Sup doesn’t seem to call people idiots nearly as much.

by nottheface on Nov 8, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Where is Supremacy anyway? As much as he talked about this card he should be here to discuss it.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

im not there nuthuggers u peon, im sexy, sexyy yamma!

by sexyama on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From the looks of his nose, he has an old break…the new injury does not look like a significant break (if any at all). It will cause no problems, the laceration is a bigger pain in the butt than this supposed fracture.
As for his hand, we will wait and see. It is standard for Emergency Depts to splint high level sprains as well as fractures. He certainly wasn’t favoring anything.

Wags

by DocWagner on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That picture is funny after arguing with some guy in the other thread where he said Fedor took no damage.

by JeremyShane on Nov 8, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Makeup.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we all agree though while fedor may be top hw at the moment, he is for sure not p4p king

by kanodogg on Nov 8, 2009 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

not agreed either

well, maybe top HW by default b/c Lesnar needs to prove himself a bit more; but from watching Fedor I get the impression that several top HW’s in UFC could beat him. So it’s just hard for me to call hiim the best when I’m thinking about that.

by JeremyShane on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar needs to prove himself???

So being the UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION doesn’t prove anything?

If anything, it’s FEDRO who has to prove himself and he won’t be able to do that until he gets his butt over to the UFC. Strikeforce can only find so many “Cans” for him to smash(or escape with a win over)….

by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not agreed at all

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, no.

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The P4P king is Anderson Silva.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right behind Fedor.

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Fedor goes to the UFC and smokes Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, and Nog for a third time, then yes you’re right.

Hell, I think Anderson would take out Fedor out inside of one round now.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure now that his nose and hand are broken... :)

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by duck on Nov 8, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson Silva’s reach is 77.6 in
Fedor Emelianenko’s reach is 74 in

Do you think that Fedor’s wild assed loopy punches would get through to Anderson at all?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers reach 81.5

Stats go out the window when it comes to Fedro, buddy.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson’s striking is a tad more advanced than Roger’s.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All of Fedors skills are more advanced than Andersons, so what?

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Noooooooooo

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Take down son

by Meshuggeth on Nov 8, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with you there, Fenix

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 8, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you’ve crossed the border into the ridiculous. Anderson > Fedor.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 8, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that isn’t sarcasm, then I just don’t know what to think.

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by Rundownloser on Nov 8, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we please put some thought into this???? You want Fedor, to prove himself to you against Lesnar, Cain, and Carwin? Because these guys have done sooooo much in their careers? Stop it with the UFC hype machine already.

Fedor would smash all of them and Fedors grappling, submission and punching power would destroy Silva. Silva his freakin self sais he would lose, but you know more than him I guess.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The #1 P4P king just had trouble with a guy that had no business being in the ring with him.

I am sure that Fedor would lose to Brock if they ever fought.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet Carwin, Cain, and Brock DO have business being in there with him? Just stop it.

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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, they do.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers would probably take those guys out.

n00ber, take the UFC glasses off already.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait don’t you think at least Carwin or Brock could exploit Rodgers ground game?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Nov 8, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers

Rogers remind me Liddell a little. He has no offensive ground game except a GnP , but scramble very well , has very good takedown defense, and escape submissions well.

We have seen that both Carwin and Lesnar can be hit quite easily on the feet. Rogers has the power, the technique and the size to beat them. I don’ think that they would be favorite against Rogers.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If they ever fight, please get in contact with me so we can gamble.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s not because Carwin has a better promoter than Rogers than he is a better fighter. Rogers has shown more in my opinion than Carwin during his career.

People also tend to overreact when they read the word “wrestling” on the pedigree of a fighter. There is absolutely no evidence that Carwin coud control the power of Rogers.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carwin:
Division 2 2x runner up and Div 2 national champion. BJJ Purple Belt.

Rogers:
?

Is it fair to make some assumptions?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you want to compare GSP and Koscheck credential too?

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We were taking about wresting credential, therefore you are out of subject

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You said “credentials”, not wrestling cred…don’t tell someone they’re out of subject if you’re not gonna specify.

Btw, you got owned.

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by kyfm621 on Nov 8, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where you been?

If you’re gonna take a week off you need to tell someone.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So… Rogers and GSP are on the same level of athletic ability?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JackO = real mma logic.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JackO = Fedro and anti-Zuffa spin guy. Look at his post record.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You really think Brock is an underdog to freakin’ Brett Rogers? Really?

by Big4Nuthin' on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness Brett Rogers is a power puncher with a fairly limited skillset. During the fight with Fedor he broke Fedor’s nose, swept him and powered out of 2 submission attempts.

Carwin, Cain and Lesnar are highly accomplished wrestlers. Carwin has crushing power from a short arm punch. Lesnar has impossible gound control. Cain has great control and ridiculous cardio.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor would definitely have the advantage on the feet but its alot easier for Brock to defend Fedors right hand than Fedor defending Brocks takedown.

Make no mistake – Brock will be able to take Fedor down at will. The fight will be decided with Lesnar on top and Fedor on the bottom.

Brett is 265lbs but that’s way different than a 265lb elite wrestler.

If Fedor cant submit brock off his back It will be Brock/mir2 all over again…

Fedor has a great chin but he bruises and cuts very easily.

If the fight was tomorrow Id definitely favor Brock.

But with mono Brock coming back at 100% is questionable so the question should be how will Fedor vs Overeem go as that fight is way more probable.

This fight is now very Interesting and in Japan I wouldnt favor Fedor too highly.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed… The HW division is the weakest division and Fedor isnt fighting the best competition of today.

Brett Rogers gassed after 1 round. That’s not an elite fighter. He has no past athletic credentials. He’s a big guy with fast hands and has potential but not elite by any means.

Anderson has won the 175lb shooto title has dominated the MW division and has killed every 205lber he has faced.

There is no debate on p4p status.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is debate.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only "Debate"...

….is you saying how Fedor would beat the likes of Brock, Shane, and Cain if he were in the UFC….and quite frankly, I’d have to debate your sanity. Sorry to say…..lol.

by BNTHIS on Nov 9, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Rogers gassed after 1 round.

Fail, no he did not.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a pretty good debate...

mainly that you look at a guy’s overall body of work. His resume is about 100 times more impressive than Anderson’s (not a slight to Silva, just saying that Fedor’s run has been amazing). I don’t see any reason to say there is no debate. If you want to say Anderson is #1, fine. But there is just as good of an argument that the spot belongs to Fedor.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

p4p? he has the best case as the best fighter but not the best p4p today. He has beaten every top heavyweight of 2005.

GSP and Anderson have beaten every top fighter TODAY. Anderson has gone up and dominated so far so he’s the clear favorite.

combine that with 170lb, 185lb, and the 205lb division being way more talented than the HW division (especially in 2005) and its just hard to argue.

by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Anderson has not beaten everybody at 185

And the WW division is in my opinion the weakest.

by JackO on Nov 8, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WW is the weakest division worldwide

by Meshuggeth on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the simple fact of population spread HW is by far the weakest. There just aren’t that many guys who are that big in shape.

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by iiowyn on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and most of the elite level athletes that are that big and in shape with potential are probably sucked up by other sports.

by soadtrails on Nov 9, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By it’s very nature I would think the flyweight division was the weakest.

by nottheface on Nov 8, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Current Top 10:

Fedor has wins over – Nogueira x2, Rogers, Arlovski = 4 total wins (has not beat Lesnar, Mir, Barnett, Carwin, dos Santos, Couture)
has lost to – none

Anderson has wins over – Forrest, Marquardt, Henderson = 3 total wins (has not beat Santiago, Maia, Belfort, Sonnen, Okami, Lawler, Akiama)
hast lost to – Okami

GSP has wins over – Fitch, Alves, Kos, Hughes x2 = 5 total wins (has not beat Swick, Shields, Condit, Paulo Thiago, Kampmann)
has lost to – Hughes

I don’t know how you can claim that GSP and anderson beat every top fighter today when they’re almost all even in total number of current top 10 wins and only Fedor hasn’t lost to anyone currently in the top 10.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many current top 10 guys has he fought?Rogers and AA?

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Big Nog is still in the top 10.

by nottheface on Nov 8, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duh

I fail.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

that list was only taking the current top 10 to show the number of wins each guy has.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Nog wins happened a LONG time ago. And we all know Franklin would still be top 5 at MW if he still fought there.

That said, CLEARLY there is debate. Since we’re, you know, debating it.

by VegasBatman on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i got gsp as my p4p king. it’s lonely on my island. :)
fedor is still the best hw though.

by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

P4P?

who’s beat the most top ten P4P fighters as of recent? there is only a handful of sites that actually have a P4P list, and gsp is the answer but i do i remeber matt hughes(the 2nd time they fought), jon fitch, bjpenn and thiago alves ALL being in the P4P top 10 or at least hovering around, and bj was top 5, and hindsight is 20/20, b/c alot of people thought he could win. so that’s 4 in a row for rush. alot of fans don’t care for the mythical P4P title,but i do, and it’s not fedor’s fault that hw’s rarely crack the top 10. currently most have big nog and yes, BROCKLESNAR!, in the P4P top 10. fedor’s already shown that he owns nog, but that BROCKLESNAR! fellow would be quite a feat for fedor to tackle, as would anderson silva. oh well. those are 2 dream fights we probably will never see due to boxing like politics.
fedor’s little 2 year long “bum of the year” run(lindland and choi) knocked him down a few pegs, but his recent run has been quite impressive and got him back into the mix of the #1 talk.
anderson currently is in a very wierd stage where it doesn’t seem that there isn’t anyone left for him at mw(marquardt would be my “best rematch” guy) or really anyone at lhw, niether machida or rua showed me anything that they could beat silva. silva’s lackluster performance against 2 fighters that most deemed unworthy has brought him down a bit, although the forrest fight helped alot.
gsp will soon run into that a. silva conundrum of wiping out the divisions best and having to fight guys that fans don’t see worthy either, swick/hardy. but how he performs against them might seperate him from silva. unfortunatly we will have to wait until next year to see either of these 3 perform again.

p.s. sorry bj fans, even if he beats diego, he will still be at #4.

by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My p4p rule

is that GSP is always number 3. He needs more title defenses and he’s still real young. As for Anderson vs. Fedor, I lean Fedor. But if I’m going to make a list, whichever of them has won more recently gets #1 placement. So right now, Fedor is p4p king. Two days ago, Anderson was.

by pdl on Nov 8, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

alot of people forget how many top 10 ww’s gsp had to beat to get to the title. a win over a top 10 opponent should count wether the fighters is a champion or not imo. how many top 10 fighters did fedor or anderson have to beat to get their title shots? alot less than gsp did. i can see your side as well. more defenses as a champion put that person more in the spotlight than a non-champion. i think it’s still to early in the sport’s history to claim who is the GOAT.

by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Anderson also beat Mach Sakurai and Carlos Newton back in his WW days, capturing a Shooto belt in the process of that first win. He also won and defended the Cage Rage MW championship 4 times. He’s now on an 11 fight win streak with 10 stoppages, and a dominating (although lame) decision.

Fedor also has an 11 fight win streak, broken by an NC. In total, it’s a 27 fight unbeaten streak. He’s finished his last 8 opponents. His sole loss has been violently avenged. He’s beaten a who’s who of heavyweights. He’s fought with huge weight differences that are equivalent to jumping up a division or two for non-heavyweights/SHWs.

GSP has a six fight win streak, although he has avenged both of his career losses. He won and defended the UCC/TKO belt three times before joining up with the UFC. He is the main retiring force behind the most dominant force of any UFC belts history. He’s sexy, marketable, and has gotten two fantastic sponsorships that no other MMA athlete has been able to come close to in the US. And he’s 28 years old.

After writing that out, it’s obvious that these three men are all insanely impressive. To me, GSP feels like he’s a rung below the other two, and several above anybody else. Give him time though, he’s young and still has time to prove himself even further.

by pdl on Nov 8, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit, his hands are probably very brittle by now. He may have to retire if he keeps breaking his hands.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think fedor will streamroll right through werdum, but that allistair will give him problems standing up

by kanodogg on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha, yes true. But he needs to be able to punch. Fedor without punches is just not Fedor. He will need to be able to punch if he does ever fight Lesnar.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good stat

Rec’d for sure. Another good stat, he could beat 90% of UFC’s HW’s with no hands.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No

Maybe 60%.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

80%?

Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

72.5%?

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That’s impossible.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

60% of the time it works everytime.

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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Luke deserves props for his “Fedor will win, but Rogers will impress” pick. I thought this fight was going to be 1. clinch 2. takedown 3. submission – in half a round or less.

by Jahbulon on Nov 8, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I personally believe the reason Roger’s seemed somewhat in this fight is due to the broken nose Fedor sustained at the beginning of the match. I’m not a fan of the way Rogers handled the defeat.

It seemed to me on the ground that Fedor was not able to fully use all of his strength in completing the submissions attempts. Was this purely because of Brett’s Roger or Fedor’s breathing pattern completely f’ed? I am leaning towards the latter personally, I don’t believe Roger’s is the strongest person Fedor has fought from a pure physical sense.

Thoughts?

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the grammatical errors in advance.

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean?

How he handled the defeat…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, kind of not giving Fedor any credit. Just saying it was his own fault. I also didn’t like the way he handled the loss.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose the proper form would have been to drop to his knees and say 20 hail Fedors?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 8, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I expected him to do what even a crazy ass Mayhem Miller did. Have class and congrat his opponent.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He should have been more respectful, there’s a difference between kissing your opponents ass and just being classy in defeat.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

At the post fight he gave him credit but did say that he felt if he didn’t make the mistake he’d have won. Which I think is a fair statement for a fighter who just lost the biggest fight of his life

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he didn’t make the mistake he still would have been down 2 rounds going into the third with no gas in his tank.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He really didn’t look gassed. I mean, he was tiring some but I was there and he didn’t appear to be in deep trouble of gassing or anything.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 8, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant in his car, I heard he pulled into the parking lot on fumes.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

 I don’t think he “gassed” a la Coleman or TUF 10, he was still throwing and banging, but he was definitely tired. In his defense that was a pretty fast paced bout, and especially for HW.

by nottheface on Nov 8, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You might have heard Rogers being a sore loser.

I heard the sound of a mans ego shattering into a thousand pieces.

by judonerd on Nov 8, 2009 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it was his first loss

He hadn’t experienced it before.

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Nov 8, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It didn’t help that Gus Johnson was planting the ‘rematch’ and ‘controversial stoppage’ bug in his ear either.

by Steve4192 on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I concur here. We’ll see how his next fight goes, I wonder if they’ll rematch him and Arlovski?

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a dead horse. I only saw the Fedor portion of the post fight press conference, however the way he handled it in the cage was if something was robbed from him. What seriously makes him think he was not utterly dominated?? There’s no question in anyone’s mind but his, maybe that will change after he reviews the fight in his living room. I just hate when people act as if Fedor got lucky, there were a few occasions where Fedor was just throwing Rogers around the cage. When Rogers had Fedor pinned against the cage the only reason he kept him there for any length of time was because he locked his fingers in the holes of the cage (you could hear big john yelling “get your fingers out of the cage Brett”).

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that nose looked broken already

when they were introducing the fighters Fedor’s nose looked like it had been cracked sometime earlier, maybe in training. .

by Discman2 on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about this, it seemed like he was bleeding right when the bout started almost. Did I miss a good punch by Rogers right at the start of the fight?

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers got him square in the nose on their first exchange, I missed this too. I was extremely puzzled until I re-watched the fight.

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok cool I turned my head for like two seconds and I see blood pouring from Fedors nose I’m like WTF.

by ufc4 on Nov 8, 2009 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

No joke it was the first and last time Rogers actually connected with anything noteworthy (GNP did nothing in my opinion). Im just puzzled as to why some folks say he was in this fight at any point, he was backing up and on the defense pretty much the whole time.

by ChuteLegend on Nov 8, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor vs Brock

Fedor wins via so many ways. His experience and MMA IQ makes Lesnar look like a can. Brock wins only one way. Mur II way. I’ll take Fedor everytime.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

after watching last nights fight, i don’t see fedor winning vs brock via SO many ways, or that he made lesnar look like a can. brett is not brock lesnar. fedor’s best weapon against brock would be the same one he used against brett, a lunging punch. it’s a hell of a weapon though, he puts all of 234 lbs behind it and it is lightning quick, but if you counting on brock having his hands down and chin wide open in the 2nd, keep dreaming. if lesnar gets top position like rogers did last night, and rogers is not 1/2 the wrestler brock is, fedor would have a VERY hard time escaping. plus look at the 1rst punch that brett landed, breaking fedor’s nose. when brock lands those type of punches, fighters go flying and recive alot of damage.
 i’d say the fight is 50/50 right now due to the lack of experience for brock. give him 2 or 3 of more wins against very capable fighters (carwin, cain/nog winner, dos santos) then i would have brock as the fav, even if fedor beats werdum and megareem. too bad we can’t see it, fedor turned down the best offer ever for a non-ufc fighter and please don’t tell me brock should go to Strikeforce. LOL. :P

by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you must have not seen how uncomfortable fedor was against the cage

lesnar would use his strength and wrestling abilities to put fedor’s face right against the cage. get into crucifix position so no submissions can be done and ground and pound him till he was a bloody mess with broken nose and orbital bone. the last emperor has no clothes. peace out. p.s. i saw many weaknessess in fedor’s first cage fight.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 8, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FOR THE LAST TIME FEDOR IS NOT FRANK MIR AND LESNAR ONLY HAS 5 FIGHTS UNDER HIS BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

When you have fighters with the skill level of a Fedor or a Mousasi it doesn’t matter where they fight. Cage or Ring. You are going to catch a beatdown!

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

xfenix

 FOR THE 1RST AND MANY TIMES! it’s all about the QUALITY not the QUANTITY baby! who said anything about mir being fedor? your’e putting words in people’s mouths. name any mma fighter who has faced a toughter 1rst 5 fights than brock. YOU CAN’T! every fight he has from here on out in his career will be tough and from a top 10 fighter, unlike a certain other fighter. DEAL WITH IT! :-)

by bdw on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You fail, hard. That is all.

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 8, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

every fight he has from here on out in his career will be tough and from a top 10 fighter,

C’mon, think about this for a second. If Lesnar loses to Carwin (and Carwin has, at the very least, a puncher’s chance), it’s well withing the realm of possibility that the UFC would give him somebody like Cheick Kongo or Todd Duffee as a tune-up. Stuff like that happens all the time, and it could happen especially with a guy who doesn’t need a name opponent to draw.

name any mma fighter who has faced a toughter 1rst 5 fights than brock.

Dong Sik Yoon.

by JRN on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

name any mma fighter who has faced a toughter 1rst 5 fights than brock.

Dude, Nastula got the worst MMA hazing of ALL time.

by VegasBatman on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-1 points for missing a Kanye joke.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fedor looks like a 40 year old man with a pot belly. brock looks like a 30 year old

with all the stamina in the world. b. rogers lost b/c he had no stamina. it would not be that way with lesnar. lesnar i guarantee is stronger than rogers and a far superior wrestler. is there any doubt he would put fedor to the canvas a push his face against the cage and get the crucifix position and let the bones break and the blood flow. it would not even be close. fedor is going downhill while lesnar is rising.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it seems very safe to assume that Lesnar would transition to a position he’s never used before in his storied 5-fight career. I mean, obviously.

by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is why lesnar's camp has called upon matt hughes. to help him out. lol

he might not even need the crucifix position. i love that strikeforce had fedor at 5 feet 11 inches. his true height. lesnar who i have seen in person is truly 6 foot 3 inches and weighs 285 to 290 when he fights. the last emporer is on his last legs. he looks old and battered. peace.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it’s popular to dismiss Overeem these days, but I think he’s every bit the challenge to Fedor that Lesnar is purported to be.

Lesnar’s strength is in Fedor’s domain – on the ground. I don’t care how big and strong a fighter is, Fedor will move his hips and armbar the shit out of him.

The way to beat Fedor, if it’s possible, is on the feet.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well this comment section certainly delivered...

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should really read the lawsuit. A lot of what mmalogic claimed is born out in the suit in terms of the ways in which Affliction paid M-1 for “consulting.” What the hell was M-1 consulting on? Answer: nothing. It was a form of direct payment/bribe.

 I’m excited about this suit because I think allllllll the details are going to come out in court disclosures and unless they seal things we should be able to post it all up here.

by Michael Rome on Nov 8, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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