Strikeforce 'Fedor vs. Rogers' Analysis: Fedor Emelianenko Reigns Supreme Again
by Michael Rome on Nov 7, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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Perhaps the most amazing part about Fedor Emelianenko is that he is just a man. He's not chiseled out of stone, he has plenty of weaknesses, and he bleeds like the rest of us. He is mortal.
Throughout his career, the most famous moments are those in which he looked vulnerable. When Fujita rocked him. When Randleman slammed him. When CroCop landed on him. When Lindland landed and cut him. When Arlovski stalked him. And then tonight, when he was cut early and Rogers was on top landing, I wondered if the magic would really end with Brett Rogers. It didn't.
Fedor continued his streak of highlight real KO's with an overhand right that would make Chuck Liddell blush. Rogers immediately melted, along with his chance of making history. After the fight, Rogers said that if he had another chance he would win. That's what they all say after losing to Fedor.
While I would love to see Fedor fight Brock Lesnar, there's a small part of me that thinks it should never happen. For Fedor to lose his streak at the hands of a giant 60 pounds bigger than him seems like an injustice to the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. I won't complain about seeing Fedor fight for free on CBS against dangerous opponents.
Brett Rogers proved me wrong, and brought more to the table than I expected. He fought patiently, which was the right tactic. I expected him to bullrush Fedor and get crushed, but instead he fought a smart fight for the most part. His key mistake was moving away from the jab and failing to continue pressing the fight up against the fence. Out in the open he was just a slow-moving target and Fedor ate him alive. I do think he put in a good enough performance to warrant an opportunity for a rematch if he can win 3 or 4 fights in a row.
Who's next for Fedor? My guess is Fabricio Werdum, which isn't exactly thrilling, but I don't have faith they'll be able to get Overeem back any time soon. More important for his career are the ratings, which could push his value even higher if they come in strong.
It was fairly surreal to see an American broadcast network promoting a show around a mysterious Russian. But by the time the bell rang for the fight, there really was a "big fight" atmosphere, and the fight delivered in spades. The only question remaining is: how many people saw it?
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MMA in general got a big boost from the great card tonight. This was a great first show, and the mystique of Fedor (and probably the vulnerability he showed tonight) will get more people to tune in next time. I actually like the idea of Werdum/Fedor.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
eww..
It was close, but i think Big Foot won.. and either way, besides the obvious reasons of “who else?”. I don’t know how beating kyle, and winning a lack luster decision get’s him a shot at Fedor..
ME WANTS FEDOR vs MEGAREEEEM!
/rant.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
Werdum won
But it was a good fight.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
really close.. so i won’t argue with the people who thought Werdum won… I still don’t like to see him face Fedor next..
Bring in Megareem plz..
I actually didn’t give Rogers any chance in hell, and i only gave Overeem a slight chance.. but now after seeing the fight, maybe Overeem has a better chance that i thought he’d have..
Fedor seems to have trouble dealing with the cage, and with Brett’s size.. but Rogers has awful technical ability standing up and he stopped throwing and planted his feet.. then boom.. good night..
Maybe a guy like Overeem who has way better standup and footwork could do better…
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yup..i agree anton..
I totally agree ..bring on Alister. Personally think the world of MMA might be in for a shock. “Megareem” as you call him..has all the tools..(way better stand up then Rogers) Megareem destroys guys in K1..the highest plateform for stand up in the world…it’s his ground game that might be the missing link in his armour….thoughts?
Overeem has a very good ground game too.. wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Rogers' for sure.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Rogers is also no "fedor" on the ground..
didn’t seem to be that big a factor though.. Overeem is good on the ground.. not just “OK”..
I think you are forgetting, (or didn’t know) that before people knew him as megareem, the K1 beast of a man with ubermuscles, he was actually a 205lb submission fighter..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
didn't know..lol
I think i’ve seen Every MMA fight on record. In my opinion it’s O.K. to pretty good at best. It’s not gracie black belt level thats for sure…
the point is..
I think the fight would go Fedor by sub…or Megareem via…K.O. just opinions though…:)
That’s a fine opinion, but we’re trying to point out you’re vastly under rating Overeems jits. He has a higher submission percentage than Fedor. He won the 2005 European ADCC qualifier, tapping EVERYONE he faced.
not a fan of number crunching and mma math...
All im’ saying is records are deceptive…I have 8 wins via. sub and 5 by strikes….My stand up is way better than my jit’s. Yeah i’ve seem his skills on the ground…my point is how i feel he matches up against Fedor…i feel fedor has the edge on the ground.
eh?
ADCC guys are the best grapplers in the world yo.
granted this was just the Euro qualifiers, but still..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
we'll have to agree to disagree on the level of megareems ..ground game.
Are you Canadian Eh? ha ha I am and try so hard not to whip out the “eh” so no one gets on my nuts about it. I respect your opinion.. at least you are edcated in MMA.
Rogers was gassed
Rogers was gassed with his arms at his hips at the time of the stoppage. Would it have made a difference if he had thrown more? Who knows? Fedor took advantage and won.
It was a great fight and Rogers deserves props for how he performed in there.
throw more
gas faster.
Had he thrown more like he said he should have done then the fight would have been done sooner.
I think the fights were ok, but it’s just going to get harder for SF to promote Fedor w/o a compelling opponent. Shields just about sucked the life out of the broadcast before the main event. Not a bad showing and I’m eager to see the return of Cung Le…
Putting Shields on CBS was a huge mistake. If the other fights hadn’t been great it would have ruined the show. I wonder how many people changed the channel.
Yeah...
Shields is a hell of a ground fighter; i’d actually like to see what he could do in the UFC. But if you are trying to capture new fans, it isn’t a good idea to put a technical ground fighter in there.
Screw that. If they can’t appreciate, even at a basic level, what Shields was able to do tonight, they should never become fans of the sport.
Pretty much
I plainly stated, after that fight, that it was not what CBS wanted. Casual observers were unlikely to enjoy that fight, but I don’t give a shit, because I did.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Shields vs. Miller was the mistake
Shields alone is an OK show. But there was little chance of him subbing Miller and little chance of Miller KOing Shields. Bad matchup.
wait..wut
miller lost too
oh man WTF
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
It was a great matchup, they both had eachother’s back a few times. Miller did great and my personal opinion is that he’d smear shit on his face for attention, but damn he did good. Looks like they both weren’t prepared for five rounds though. It was a great fight for technical and die hard fans, but it probably confused a lot of casual fans… like my wife, mom and niece who also watched it.
No offense to Shields...
but he’s like a charisma black hole…and he would get owned by the AKA crew who would force him to stand and fight, let alone GSP.
by Koob on Nov 8, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm more convince than ever he is threat
GSP ain’t exactly the dynamic striker he used to be. I thought Shields would be eaten alive by the stronger Robbie Lawler but that’s two fights in row he’s been the stronger fighter on the mat.
AKA striker . . . who? No, seriously who from that camp has a has a notable stand up? Kosheck, Fitch and Swick stand up is completely absent against good competition.
i respectfully diasagree
he wont take down GSP like he can with miller
and his GnP is more like LnP to me
striking doesnt seem to be that great to me either
do you think he can grind out a 5 rd decision vs GSP?
i dont think so
If the ref wouldn’t stop it due not intelligently defending (hypothetical), Miller could have literally taken five minutes of Shields in mount. His ground and pound was the weakest I have ever seen, and he would benefit from a rule change allowing elbows on the ground.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
he spars with the AKA guys..
and according to them, jake seems to be handling himself pretty well against the AKA WWs.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, that Shields fight was horrible. It showed the big difference between what “ground and pound” and “lay and pray” are.
I don’t deny he was able to get Miller down and keep him mostly controlled, but I don’t give much credit to guys that can’t do anything once there. Especially when you can take them down so easily and get dominant positions so often, but still can’t come close to finishing the fight. That’s just sad. But what can you do? He obviously won I guess, but boring boring fight.
It showed the big difference between what "ground and pound" and "lay and pray" are.
How is that, exactly?
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
ground and pound to me means you are actually finishing the fight
lay and pray means you are just holding the guy down trying to figure out what the heck you need to do next
which is all shields did
Lay and pray is when you lay in your opponent’s guard and pray for a favorable decision. Passing to dominant positions over and over is not lay and pray. This is because you are not simply laying there; you are advancing position. Shields did not lay and pray, he just showed a lack of finishing acumen from dominant positions (against a fighter that is notoriously difficult to finish).
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think the point is that Shields never used his dominant positions to try to end the fight. He merely controlled Miller. In PRIDE they rewarded fighters who used their position to try and end the fight even if it cost them the position.
by MrJobro on Nov 8, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea exactly,
thank you for the help on that one. I didn’t realize my comment would be so hard to understand.
Confusion is often the result of misusing terminology.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Seems more like the result of talking to someone that doesn’t have the ability to grasp meaning in something that isn’t a literal interpretation.
I was making a tongue and cheek comment based on the phrase. A comment that people that know the phrase like you claim to, should have been able to pick up on.
My interpretation of “lay and pray”—the correct interpretation of its actual, original meaning—is not a literal one.
I knew what you were going for with your original comment. I asked you to explain as a way of drawing you so we could have a teachable moment. Lay and pray is an oft-misused term that people use to denigrate any ground fighter they find boring whether it’s warranted or not.
I tend to agree
It’s arguable, but I think Shields LNP’d— due in part to a gameplan (in my estimation) that revolved around not fatiguing his arms while trying to finish early. He’s usually far more aggressive with his sub attempts.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
He attempted several submissions. Not enough for my liking, maybe, but to say “Shields never used is dominant positions to try to end the fight” is incorrect.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Shields had actually quite a lot of submission attempts
They just weren’t “near finish” attempts. When in top position, he looked to secure an arm triangle many times through the fight, but Miller had very good defense and never let him really lock it up. Same with his many RNC attempts.
To say that he didn’t try to finish the fight is to belittle the great defensive grappling Miller showed in not allowing Shields to secure his submissions.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
Jake Shields is way over rated...
I can’t believe this guy was trying to call out G.S.P. while back. What a joke in my opinion. can you say one dimensional??? and boring at the same time. Besides the fact that G.S.P’s wrestling is way better.
Overall, a pretty damn good night of fights. If he bounces back with a few more wins, Rogers will get a rematch, and probably offers from another pretty popular organization whose name starts with a U and ends with a C….and I believe that it’s high time that Jake Shields gets a shot with that same organization, even if his style is not exactly the most crowd pleasing, he has the skill, and there isn’t much more for him to do in Strikeforce.
Have you ever seen Jake Shields fight before tonight? I don’t think you have, otherwise you wouldn’t have said he isn’t a crowd pleaser… I mean only 2 of his last 8 fights have gone past the first round.
Against Robbie Lawler, he was fighting at 185 for the first time against one of the most feared strikers at MW (probably second at the time behind Silva). The only chance anyone gave him was a quick submission, even Lawler knew that was the only way he was going to lose… and guess what, Shields got the first round sub.
I can’t think of anything more pleasing to a fan than the little guy with a less dangerous arsenal beating people he has no reason competing with. So I’m just gonna assume this was the first time you’ve seen Jake Shields fight.
For a guy who quite litteraly got thrown to the wolves Rogers did surprise by how tough he hung in there. Just getting to the second was a lot more than most people thought Rogers would do but he really was over his head in there with Fedor.
Overall it was a pretty good showing for Strikeforce but not really one for CBS. The fights were pretty good and the pacing was good but the announcing grated my nerves and I noticed a lot of irritating production issues through the night.
by who me on Nov 7, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Regarding the announcing, I agree. However, I thought the camera work was phenomenal. Lots of great angles that brought the television audience right into the action.
But yeah, Gus has got to go. The post fight questions for Fedor were almost Tito-esque.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 7, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed,
Very very impressed with the camera angles.
Really I was unimpressed with the camera work. I noticed multiple instances where the ref blocked the view of the fighters and it took awhile before they would switch to a different camera angle.
i saw a boom mic in a couple of the shots.
other than that it was pretty good.
meh
The only problem I had with the production was during Fedors interview, and the cameras (and mics) were on Rogers cursing, so they had to blank out a bunch of the interview.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
The sound seemed off all night for some reason but I thought some of that cutting out was from my local station, did anyone else have the sound (and the video a couple of times) cutting out?
the sound yeah, that’s the blanking out curses tho
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
On my TV anyway I assumed t was the corners cursing or something in the background. But yours may have been on the fritz, I don’t know :(
My video didn’t go out at all tho, but it did get a bit jaggy at the very end.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I can think of a good dozen times where I found myself looking at the ref’s back instead of the fighters and that really bugged the crap out of me. They seemed to be missing cues and had some real oddball angles.
Gus wasn’t really getting on my nerves until the post fight interviews with Fedor and Rogers and that was so bad I got up and left the room. I have never cared for Mauro Ranallo though and Frank Shamrock just seemed to be on cruise control out there, he added nothing to the show at all and didn’t even seem very interested in being there. The ring announcer also sucked ass but I don’t know who you would blame for that. All in all I think CBS really let Strikeforce down on what was a otherwise good show.
by who me on Nov 8, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t notice that at all. Thought the shots were closer to the action, which I like a lot. Maybe it had something to do with the cage being smaller than the UFC’s.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
The WEC has a much smaller cage and I’ve never noticed any of those kinds of odd shots or obviously missed cues and I don’t think that cage size would have anything to do with them leaving the camera pointed at the refs back for way too long.
all that stuff is the fault of some stoner in the control room
who isnt watching the main feed to look for problems tro switch away from
My only problem, beside the closeup of the ref’s fanny pack, was mayhem’s entrance… I had a room full of people looking at me like, “this is what you watch?” And I was like, “well, wait, you see, in Japan there’s a lot more over the top stuff and cultural nuances and …” to which they said, “this is like WWE”.
You were watching with some closed minded people
Dude’s name is Mayhem. Look at his hair. Look at the way he acts. Look at everyone else’s entrances, and how much more low-key they are. He was obviously an exception. They were just looking to criticise.
the Godfather would have been proud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFvwxb3JCXc
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Not really closed minded… i got them to watch the fights. They had no idea who any of these people were, this was their introduction. To me Mayhem’s antics always seemed forced… it does play well with the over-the-top presentation in Japan, I think here he just looks like a guy in his mid-twenties acting like a teenager.
Huh?
I’m sorry, but the direction was arguably the worst part of the production. I was looking at asses more than action, and both focus & color adjustment were issues at multiple junctures. Awful, awful production for a pretty great night of fights.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea…seems the UFC has more side shots like they are willing to zoom in from all the way across the cage or shoot through the cage itself to get in there. Didn’t see a lot of that going on here.
Although the cage area did seem to “pop out” more from the lighting and all here.
Arguing lighting is a lesser of two evils thing between the promotions, so I won’t argue it. I absolutely hate the fluorescent look, but it’s prevalent in fight sports.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
The announcing was really annoying. Those guys had no clue what was going on. Calling side control half guard etc. They need to fix that.
Yep
Shit, I wish I could remember what to complain about. That commentary was fucking brutal.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding.
I swore he called him Sudoku at one point.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Hahaha!
That’s what we started to say at the party I was at. It sounded all too similar.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Yeah that was terrible. And then when he called the Monkey roll on mayhem they were celebrating that he called it right at the point Mayhem pulled it off, they forgot to keep calling the fight. So lame. But regular fans were probably fine with most of it. The hardcores notice the problems, but we’re coming back to watch next time regardless, only to come back here to complain about it again.
I honestly started to feel pretentious
I had to correct them so many times, I was like “Fuck— what is wrong with me? Are they this bad or am I just this picky?”
Probably a healthy combination.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Ha you caught that too. I wasn’t sure if it was my mind playing tricks on me due to the booze, but I’m pretty sure that he did call him sudoku. Honestly I think they called him something different everytime they tried to say his name. Not to mention in the pre fight talk I couldn’t help but keep thinking about how big of a douche bag the white announcer looked like.This is about the what the announcing sounded like all night… “And sudukjo with his excellent jiu jitsu….sorry judo skills does what looks to me like a stone cold stunner”
Props to Rogers
For taking a massive right and not getting ktfo. I know he was dropped and out of it, but the fact that he was still conscious amazes me.
by MikeD32 on Nov 7, 2009 11:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If only Fedor had eaten another spoonful of icecream
Rogers would have been out…I think he was riiiiiiiiight on the edge of going to sleep. A tiny bit more oomph and it would have been lights out.
You are right though, props to Rogers, the dude hits like a truck too!
It’s already started on the other thread actually lol.
Personally, I think Rogers wasn’t going to be defending anything after that; he just had that look about him. But for a big fight like this, I would have liked to see Fedor obtain a dominant position and land a shot or two instead of the couple sort of shots he landed coming in. But I don’t think it would have mattered, Rogers was done.
AWESOME fights tonight. The biggest problem with this evenings performance, is that they did such a horrible job at promoting it, noone saw it. Aside from the mma superfan websites, there was no publicity for this.
I think honestly, Scott Coker should have fought to get Kimbo. One fight co-headlining with Fedor, would have turned people that were interested is seeing thug-life brawl, into lifetime Fedor fans.
CBS had a tough job though, convincing Americans that a fat, normal looking Russian guy, that has a female translator with poke-a-dot hair, is the best fighter in the world. Especially when the ufc has control of all his fight footage.
by Miketsi on Nov 7, 2009 11:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Really
My main problem with the fight tonight was that none of the fights were compelling, I saw no fights all night that anyone other than the favorite EVA ( thanks Phil) had an advantage. I mean really to the " in the know" MMA fan you could easily pick who was going to win and fact has it who was going to win defiantly.
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CBS had a tough job though, convincing Americans that a fat, normal looking Russian guy, that has a female translator with poke-a-dot hair, is the best fighter in the world. Especially when the ufc has control of all his fight footage.
The crowd sure didn’t seem to have any trouble embracing Fedor. That’s now two parts of the country where the arena was almost entirely in his favor. I’m sure that plays well to the audience at home.
Some fools tried to start a “USA” chant and were quickly drowned out by a massive “FEDOR!” chant.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 7, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
No, there was a Fedor chant going then it was drowned about by “usa”, then suddenly Rogers was on the floor.
Maybe I got that one mixed up. My mind was all jumbled during the fight.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
the massive KO made you a little concussed?
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
me too….my hands are raw from all the clapping
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, it was the other way. USA drowned out the Fedor chat, which angered him obviously, so he KOd Rogers. We shouldn’t have angered him.
by JeremyShane on Nov 8, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, they found 12,000 people in Chicago that wanted to watch him fighr, big deal. They were ditching tickets for a dollar so it would be at capacity.
When the ratings come out, don’t be surprised to see that the ufc’s replay had more viewers.
Hell, a csi re-run could have had as many viewers.
Not the fighters fault, but there was no media push.
by Miketsi on Nov 8, 2009 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As opposed to the UFC’s last sellout, right? Who freaking cares if they were giving away tickets (a source for that info would be nice, by the way).
The crowd clearly knew enough about Fedor to come and cheer like crazy when he finished the fight. That sort of thing plays well to the TV audience.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
That sort of thing plays well to the TV audience.
Which only matters if there was a decent TV audience. Which we don’t know yet.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 8, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
True.
We’ll see if Fedor has more appeal than Kimbo. Somehow I doubt it. Though, I don’t think that will mean the show is a failure by any means. But yeah, we need the numbers.
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by a tommy point on Nov 8, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
If Fedor wasn’t routinely called the P4P best, I would like him a lot more. I don’t have the wow-factor watching him like I do with guys like Anderson Silva and GSP.
by Razzel on Nov 7, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
He is the P4P best heavyweight in the world, no doubt about that. I agree that he’s not the definitive best P4P, but he’s not that far off either.
by TopperHarley on Nov 8, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Brett Rogers,like many before him, will suffer from post-Fedor syndrome. It’s all downhill from here.
Yeah
His post-fight response was not the right way to go, but I expect great things from him.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
True enough
I really like Grim but you know he’s just another guy that is all now messed up over second guessing his chance at beating Fedor. Rogers is legit as hell but it’s like going to Superbowl and losing on a last second field goal. Almost doesn’t count.
I was more impressed by the Arlovski KO.
Tonight he took damage and lasted into the 2nd round against a borderline Top-10 HW.
Fedor= Best HW, not best P4P
hahahahaha
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
What about
A O K I …..troll
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 8, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Nice!
thanks!
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another angle
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
back and to the left...back and to the left
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
holy...fucking..balls...
i..am NOT a happy bunny right now
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
lol oh you ...
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 8, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor knocked the mohawk off the night elf...
I give up, he ain’t fighting Lesnar and if he beats Overoids Fedor should just take his ball and go home.
by Koob on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Lesnar knows where to find him.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
What a stupid thing to say
One of them had the opp to pursue the other.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Implying that the best in the world should go chasing after the flavor of the month: Priceless.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Defying all logic
A week from today, Lesnar will have been champ for one year. You should throw a party, maybe some alcohol will rest your nerves..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Yup
see two comments above. He says it, fine. I say it, hidden.
Not that I’m complaining, just pointing it out. I know how it goes.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Another Fedor fight, another opponent’s “success” against him being VASTLY overrated. yawn
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well...
The broken nose was really no big deal, despite all the noise the announcers made about it. But Rogers’ GnP in the first round was the worst position I think Fedor has been in in a long time. Rogers hits hard, so that was not a good place for Fedor to be.
Amazingly, Rogers’ GnP looked more effective than Fedor’s. I was surprised Fedor didn’t even try to posture up from the guard.
Looked a lot more luke a cut than broken. And the GNP yielded 3 clean punches that did no “damage” and ended with an armbar.
He did less than AA and that was a grossly overrated performance itself.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No "damage"
You’re taking major liberties. Give Rogers some credit. Fedor won the fight, no need to try to score it for him too..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
agreed, there are too many people in the Fedor club that are totally understating what Rogers did to him in round one. Fedor won the fight, he was far from dominating in it though.
Ok then – what was the damage? Cuts? No. Dazed/hurt? Nope. He immediately transitioned to a sun attempt.
Where’s the liberties? I told the truth and not some haterade revised fight recap?
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Err.. Damage?
Dude.. American MMA doesn’t value damage. At all. Ever. This isn’t PRIDE.
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-Sakuraba
What about
the 2 D’s – dominance and damage. Damage has to account for something, right?
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Nov 8, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I was overstating
Especially because Fedor showed physical damage, but that was more my point.. American MMA doesn’t value physical damage, but that’s sort of a moot point here.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Well, he was cut on the nose pretty bad…that is damage. And usually when people are hitting you on the head it causes damage that can’t always be seen… not all damage is bloody. Fedor was def dazed, his attempts to do anything on the ground failed against someone with a weak ground game. The dude lost round one.
Steal a round from the #1 heavyweight in a fight few people gave you a chance in, and people start looking at you differently. What’s the problem?
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What fight did you watch? Fedor EASILY had the first round, EASILY.
I just have to shake my head at the people who see whatever they wan to see. A harmless jab (that cuts a nose) and GNP that does zero damage and ends with an armbar attempt is stealing rounds now? Because I thought sub attempts, putting an opponent on sea legs and landing punches won most rounds these days.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oof
You’re also seeing what you want to see. It can be argued, but you’re as cocksure as the argument you’re opposing.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
What am I seeing that didn’t happen? Fedor rocking Rogers in the first? The armbar? The kimura? The arm triangle? The ragdolling in the clinch?
It was a CLEAR 10-9 Fedor round and any other score is a biased dreamworld.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for coming out. Your argument revolves around a cut nose and a six second GNP spurt. And now you have no follow up outside weak comebacks. You are dismissed son.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay
I don’t understand why you’re so angry, but I’m golden since I successfully parlayed all four of the main card fights. Have a great night, dad!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Like I say below, I’m a dude who loves to score sub attempts. But none of those sub attempts were really all that close. The kimura led to a Rogers reversal. He shrugeed off the armbar. The arm triangle attempt could scarcely be called an attempt; more like a submission set-up attempt.
Fedor deserves credit for those, but not that much.
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t think the GnP did zero damage. It’s easy to say that in retrospect, but Fedor was in a tough spot right then. Looked to me like some pretty solid shots, and Rogers shrugged off the armbar attempt (and I’m a dude who loves to score submission attempts).
Sure, it’s debatable who won that round. On first viewing, I would have given it to Rogers. And even that is better than most expected. You exceed expectations and people pat you on the back. Imagine that!
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
They were solid ie hard but didn’t even hurt him and he was able to pull off a sub attempt to change positioning. I believe he got to his feet with Rogers prone iirc.
Just bc you do “better” than getting annihilate means you get a 10-9 round now? Where is that in the rules ? Bc I thought it was, you know, the fighter that actually won the round and not the one that “exceeded expectations”.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re reaching. It wasn’t about that. Just be happy your guy won, he did a fantastic job. I think most people think Rogers won round one.
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-Sakuraba
Most Brock Lesnar fans? There fixed it for you.
Anyone with a clue about mma knows that was a 10-9 Fedor round. At least those that score a round according to the scoring criteria and not – “ooooooh blood” and “he did better than people thought he would” criteria.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stop trolling guy..
You’re the one that iniitally suggested damage as criteria. Maybe you didn’t read the part where I said I put money on Fedor.
Go away..
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-Sakuraba
You know, on second viewing, I agree that Fedor took round 1. But I also think it’s going too far to say Rogers never threatened Fedor, or that the credit he’s getting for this performance is too much. He did better than a lot of folks expected and gave us Fedor fans a good scare. Props, Brett.
(And it should really go without saying that no one implied that Rogers should win the round for exceeding expectations. Please.)
by JRN on Nov 8, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Is there anyone
Other than me that just want to see this guy lose. I mean really beside the Slyvia fight he has been outmatched in his last 4 fight he is pulling a Chuck Liddell and swinging for the fences deal. He just dont do it for me.
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we talking about Rogers?…If so yes, he is Arrogant and disrespectful IMO….Fedor is Great.
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by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am convinced Fedor wouldnt last on top in the UFC…
Rogers was a hand picked opponent from months ago. Bretts training camp for this fight was atrocious… it borderlined with guys training for tuf. At this level you need science and competent people running your camp.
by mmalogic on Nov 8, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
Rogers is a hell of a talent and did a great job tonight, but I can concur with the suggestions about his camp. I’m a Minnesota boy, and I’ve heard mostly bad things about his gym, including from people who have trained there.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I think Lesnar could stifle him like he did to Mir. If Carwin can land a bomb, he could win. Cain has great wrestling, but I don’t know if he has the power or subs to put Fedor away. I don’t know about anyone else…?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 8, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’d have to put my money on Lesnar, and it’s not just because I’m a “UFC nuthugger”, I honestly think he’s just too big and powerful. I’m sure it’d be a helluva fight and Fedor could definitely pull a sub out of his butt at some point but I’m taking BROCKLESNAR.
Don't be diplomatic
You can say that it’s because of his wrestling and ground control. Because, well, it is.. I think it would be a remarkably even fight, an impossibe fight to call— and the most anticipated fight in MMA history.
Yes pleaze?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
If Brock stands with Fedor, I think he goes to sleep too..
He needs to get fedor down in his half guard and frank mir him to victory..
…but i doubt we’d see that fight soon, or ever… so i’ll take the next best thing.. Fedor vs Overeem..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get the hate on Brock’s stand-up. It’s all based on the single-solitary pleaze-GAWD Mir combination. Watch the Herring fight.
Lesnar is too smart to stay on his feet with the likes of Fedor, but he could weather some damage and take it where he does best. It’s there that I think we’d see who is superior.
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-Sakuraba
Not really hating dude.. I just think Fedor has the edge. Lesnar looked comfortable striking at times, but there are also some times that he looks a bit awkward..his foot work sometimes gets kinda flat at short periods, and those kinds of things can’t be done against a guy like Fedor.. But hey, he would have a huge reach, size and strength advantage, plus It would also be good that his big head seems to be able to take strong shots.
and yes, I think he’d be smart enough to take it to where he has the biggest advantage.. bottom line is, if Fedor doesn’t land that big blow, (I am also assuming Brock will do the same and avoid going into his opponents full guard), I think he can Frank Mir him..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
"At this level you need science"
That’s what I have been saying for years, and I am of the opinion Brock’s body agrees with me.
Fedor is gonna lose. Within 2 or 3 fights…he is getting old and has fought over 30 fights. But I am enjoying the shit out of it while it lasts.
BOOSH
I would cherish the moment of Fedor's demise..
but the man is the definition of composure, he looks like the stay puff marshmallow man and hits hard enough to drop Brett Rogers like a sack of taters.
I would cry if Fedor loses. Now, he’s not a machine, he’s not even the best fighter. He just manages to win.
...and he'll enjoy that roasted puppy.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Focus
IDK how a man is so damned focus to a point where he NEVER sees his opponent til the bell rings. i’m pretty sure he forgot who he was fighting til he got there.
Good technical match w/ Shields/Miller but I had to sit there and explain wtf was going oon to 2 friends of mine.
Plus…3 more sec, Miller had that.
Gegard has the same composure as Fedor. Kind of intimidating if you ask me.
I know they are friends…maybe it rubbed off on him.
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by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I swear I heard they trained together. But mousasi and Fedor always tend to look down at the faceoff and never look at the other guy. Must be some type of philosophy or something. “Never engage your opponent until you actually have to engage your opponent.”
Nah
It’s just so that they don’t hype up or make them selves any more nervous. Fedor as you can see is humble, and staring into a persons eyes during a stare down is supposed to hype you up.
Yeah, you can check a lot of vids on youtube and see where they spar in a few different spots.
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by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Congrats to Fagan and others who made a lil cash tonight. I think those voices defending Roger’s chances can feel validated tonight as well. He was outclassed, obviouisly, but his strength and ground training paid dividends for him.
Tell that to Chicago
I got mad respect for Rogers now. But he STILL got booed during his interview. He was hurt when they checked up on him but I think his pride hurt moe than his face.
Well
It was because of his post-fight aggression. He should have conceded, but it’s okay with me that a guy that was 10-0 and was doing so well would be so angry with himself.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
LOL…yeah, he did SO well not getting ktfo’d in 36s.
Loving revisionist history that goes on, not even 24 hrs layer.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 1:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you even know what revisionist history means?
not even 24 hrs layer.
No more beer, eh?
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-Sakuraba
You ever typed on an iPhone? And I’m a vodka guy.
Sorry, I’m being way more combative than necessary/appropriate in the circumstances. I’m just perturbed by the scoring by people who (a) see blood and score based on that and (b) seem biased by what they expected and what actually occurred.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's all good hombre
Fedor won. Great night of fights. Let’s drink some vodka.
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-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah- I’m being an a-hole slash sore winner. Just getting way too hyped up over nothing. Congrats on the 4 fight parlay. Vodka for all
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 2:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone disappointed that they didnt show Fedor's entrance
You would think they would show the main event entrances. They did for Shields/Miller and they were the co-main event. That bugged me
But I like hot girls so Mayhem entracne is justified
But one of the girls almost put Mayhem out of commission
I thought that was wierd
I was watching at a loud bar, and I was waiting to see the entrances as my cue to leave my friends and go watch outside. Next thing I know, they’re facing off
Misstep
But there were like 200 people that wanted to know if it was going to rain on Tuesday.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
What do people think about a potential Antonio Silva/Brett Rogers fight?
I specializes in grammar fail.
Fedor: “My work here is done, time for Ice Cream”
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by WeaponElDeem on Nov 8, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
"Misshon Comprete"
Whatever happened to the BE pics where you could add your own caption. bring those back
yea it’s cool, personally I like the fact that he just kinda goes back to his corner calmly and doesn’t flip and run all over the cage acting the fool after he wins and the other guy is laying hurt on the ground
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 8, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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-Sakuraba
Wow, I can't believe I got that card for free!!!!
I’m sending Strikeforce $45 via mail. Every fight was entertaining. I’ve read complaints about Shields vs Miller but I thought it was a great technical fight, I’m finally convinced Shields is legit. He’s got sneaky strength.
Fedor is G.O.A.T! I can’t believe he won that fight. Same shit as the Arlovski fight, things were going against him and found something to exploit for the dramatic win. I’d like to believe Lesnar would overpower him, but I think Fedor would solve that puzzle and deliver a KTFO after watching two straight Fedor fights in row.
I never thought Strikeforce would be this good!
by bignerd on Nov 8, 2009 1:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's a lot of !!!!!!!
But honestly, you’re right. It’s awesome to see this quality of fights for free (and all weekend too, not just SF on CBS).
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by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve never been impressed with Strikeforce . . . never. I felt like I just ordered UFC New Years Eve with that card tonight.
I thought every match was a good match up and entertaining. I’m shocked and impressed.
Yeah d00d
I’m concerned with some of their matchup options going forward, but I was similarly impressed. The production was pretty bad, but the fights were great. And that’s what really matters (especially to me).
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I’d like hear others thoughts on production. Personally, I wasn’t expecting much which might explain my reaction. Honestly, the last two years I’ve only been able to see 3 UFC PPv because their cards are so watered down. So I’m not sure how much UFC is ahead of curve.
Gus Johnson did what he does, talks a lot of hype and relys on his color commenter to put things in context. Was Frank Shamrock the 3rd guy on the broadcast? I’ve never heard him stick a sock in his mouth, if that was him.
Also, your point about a Strikeforce follow up. I think it was good time for them to schedule so many key matches . . . you can only hold on for so long. I’m sure a few challengers will bubble up. UFC always pulls that move off successful, so I believe it’s easier than fans think.
My qualms with the production are many. Awful camera angles, bad commentary (which is commonplace in all of modern MMA, it seems), really bad in-ring intros (can they be any more cliche?) and questionable stage intros (the “go-fireworks” approach is very 99 WCW).
I personally have no doubt that I’ll enjoy their next card (and the subsequent cards), but I’m concerned with their ability to increase viewship/revenue and meet network/promotional expectations. I could personally watch Gegard fight someone not-quite-so-worthy, but the options are severely limited when you consider that SF wouldn’t let Soko have a shot at the gold because he wasn’t somehow worthy. Who is? Certainly they’ll shake something out.
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-Sakuraba
To be honest, UFC production is generally awful. 4 years with UFC and I’ve never met anyone impressed with their tease nor commentary.
I disagree with the camera angles. Seemed much better this time around but than again the bar isn’t set very high for the entire industry. That’s the problem with a cage.
Nah.. The camera angles were just shit. Maybe you weren’t paying constant attention, but there were multiple instances in which the camera was blocked for long stretches by a referee ass. It was bad. Like, really bad.
Nah.. The camera angles were just shit. Maybe you weren’t paying constant attention, but there were multiple instances in which the camera was blocked for long stretches by a referee ass. It was bad. Like, really bad.UFC production, so far as MMA goes, is far superior. The commentary has somehow gotten worse, sure, but the direction and live-production murders all other contenders. Bar-none. Schiavello should just be the voice of MMA…
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by Blackout612 on Nov 8, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t see a lot of the Ref’s ass so maybe I wasn’t paying attention. You could have me there.
I’m a big NFL fan and commentary has never been worse At this point I think commentary is something as a fan you work through.
If I had to grade an MMA broadcast, 95% is fight performance, the rest is meh or bonus. Seriously, if anyone was urning for Joe Rogan or Goldie than their is major fuckin problem. I’m just glad Gus didn’t use a “Is Rocky in the house?” reference . . . ya could expectations be any lower.
I saw a device the size of watermelon on the Ref’s ass in one shot. Christ, what did they strap on him? Jo-Lo doesn’t have that much junk in the trunk. Was that a camera, mic or the mobile broadcast trailer?
probably for a ref cam they never showed.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
straight to DVD bonus! hahaha.
I also think there’s a mic in that bag.. (you can always hear the ref’s voice.)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
I was trying to figure out the same thing
I was calling it an asspack. Must have just got off a plane or something..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
They havent disappointed
IDk what it is but you may get 2 or 3 “boring” or “lackluster” fights from the UFC every once in awhile, but Strikefore always delivers.
Note: I dont watch the Challegers series so IDK how you can make the fight cards of UFC/Strikefore parralel
Well
Four fights after many months, or 5-12 every month? I don’t think he’s slapping UFC in the mouth— he’s praising the quality of the performances tonight, and rightfully so.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
You're right
But I don’t give the UFC style points for putting together so many cards like they do these days. I can’t get friends interested to order UFC these days because their cards are so spread out.
It's actually a sweater.
Unfortunately the artist didnt have enough time to add any crazy designs to outdo Bill Cosby
Great
now I’m going to have “Piss on You” stuck in my head…
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lol!!
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The announcing was horrible as usual. Mauro and his jokes make me want to commit violent crimes.
by Michael Rome on Nov 8, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
mauro writes his jokes down 4 months in advance
waits for the improper time to say them, and completely stupifies shamrock. thats the only good thing about ranallo, is how much he must piss frank off. he once said that kimbo slice was the tiger woods of mma. i just think that mauro has to be fucking someone important, or a symbol of nepotism at its worse, because i think any person could do a better job of commentating.
and yes, he definately called brett “brock rogers”
by Austin Martin on Nov 8, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Was it Brock Rogers?
I thought he called him Rod Rogers.
In any case…. What the fuck?
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-Sakuraba
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century!!!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
agreed. we need to do something about mauro. even goldberg was better
and he just wanted to spear everyone in the octagon.
two fights strikeforce needs to put on
overeem vs fedor
hendo vs mousasi
overeem is the only non ufc fighter besides werdum that i think could challenge fedor, and hendo should be signed to beat the fuck out of annoying ass jake shields at mw, and fight the moose at lhw
by Austin Martin on Nov 8, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I have to admit though, once Brock lays on Fedor, he ain’t getting up. If Rogers can GnP Fedor, Brock would kill him.
Talk about taking a giant leap of logic. Beginning with the of overrating the effectiveness of the actual GNP Rogers mustered.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 3:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Durrrrr
Overrating of
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 8, 2009 3:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes please
Great card, free fights, live – YES PLEASE.
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i was genuinely worried about fedor when he was GnP’ed
would the cage be a reason that fedor’s performance isn’t as great or is he aging or is brett rogers really legit?
That's Fedor
He looks like he’s in trouble, all the way up he wins.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I agree with cyph on Lesnar getting a GnP ko but Fedor has that cat like quickness and KO power. Lesnar’s rudimentary striking is a liability if it happens to stay on the toes, plus he’s slow with the strikes. I thought Rogers was going to pin Fedor’s into the cage and unleash some bombs to get the upset KO. Great fights, good card, brooadcast was good until Mauro opened his mouth. More MMA on free TV!!!!
I'm a big Fedor fan....
but Brocks size and ABILITY to use it very VERY well, brings many issues to any fighter. He knows not to give his opponent any space what-so-ever and will drop those mighty elbows. Fedor would be cut shortly after and it would be a bloody mess. but WAR Fedor!
But Randy was able to get out of the smothering of Lesnar and so will fedor.. but in fedors case i can envision brock being floored by a big right by fedor instead of how couture got clipped in the back of the head koing him
You're wrong
I once heard that Brock Lesnar wrestled an oak tree with his bare hands, and won.
I once heard that NASA ran out of fuel and Brock Lesnar helped them by throwing the shuttle into space.
I once heard that Brock Lesnar walked into a church and challenged God to a MMA match, but God was too scared to show up.
I heard that Brock Lesnar beat Chuck Norris in an arm wrestling match.
They can’t all be just rumors!
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Damn.....
That was one hard ass shot, sounded like two big horn sheep ramming into eachother.
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
Overall a great show! The Fedor/Rogers fight definitely had an air of a really big, exciting fight comparable to what the UFC could muster. Few things:
- I kept wondering why Rogers let Fedor off the cage. He was having so much success there, pulling a Tim Sylvia by leaning on the dude. Also, as Rome pointed out, wtf happened to Rogers’ jab? After a few, he abandoned it.
- I was impressed by Rogers. He showed skill on the ground, and when he was doing some GnP on Fedor in the first round, I thought he almost had it there. He’s made a new fan tonight, that’s for sure.
- Fedor: what can I say? Guy still doesn’t do anything for me, but this fight was vintage Fedor. Guy gets caught in the beginning, looks to be in some trouble, but comes back strong in the second frame, absolutely destroying Rogers with that overhand. It was still far from a dominating performance – Rogers clearly won round 1. But man, it was exciting. If BROCKLESNAR ever fights Fedor, he’s gonna have to take it quickly to the ground. That big old head of his is going to be an easy target for Fedor. Mir tagged Brock a few times on the feet. If Fedor hit Brock, I’m sure he’d go down in a heap.
- Have to disagree with Rome on Fedor fighting Brock. There’s always going to be someone out there that’s better than you, or their style just cancels yours out. I don’t think a loss to Brock would diminish Fedor any. Fedor’s winning streak would be nice if he capped it off with a beatdown of Brock. Win or lose, I think Fedor’s legacy is cemented. I don’t really see any point in continuing to beat lesser opponents.
- Shields / Miller fight was sort of… meh. I think I like Miller’s showmanship heading into the cage more than when the guy is actually fighting.
- Not excited about Werdum taking on Fedor. Not in the least. He won against Big Foot, but I think Fedor mauls the guy.
I love me some Sexyama!
Cung Lee will destroy Jake Shields...
Or at least i sure hope so. Jake better get some stand up soon cause a real good wrestler is going to come along and teach him a lesson. I’m not sure its Cung Lee…But i just don’t see Jake closing the distance…Cung to fast. Who know though…
Cung LE.
Cung hasn’t shown much of his ground game.. but he does have good takedown D.. not sure if he’s able to stop Jake’s takedowns though.. but if he does, it’s goodnight Jake for sure..
and also, Cung is set to face Scott Smith first..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree.
Havnt seen Cung’s ground game…so who really knows…but man those crazy trips and awsome kicking power…would crumple Jake in no time. Take down defense is real good… i’m well aware of the rumoured match between Scotty and Cung…just choosing to over look it. (Cung will wreck him) I want Cung vs. Jake!
cause Wushu/SanShou is the shits.
I’m hoping Eduard Folayang follows in Cung’s footsteps. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 8, 2009 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
I want Megareem against Rogers. I think that’s an awesome fight. Or Reem againstn Fedor would be great too, but Reems technical striking and takedown defense would be a tough test for Fedor.
I thought that Rogers was really good and legit. He looked comfortable, he was aggressive enough when he needed to, to the point he could’ve possibly taken that first round.
I don’t understand having a bad commentator though. Is it that hard? Why not hire Bas? I loved him in Pride.
hmmm...yeah maybe.
I think Reem would win on the feet with Rogers. If he thought Fedor Rocked him..wait till he feels Reem’s power. ha ha.
EARLY STOPPAGE!!!
rogers was about to get up and KTFO fedor, you can tell…
by kovy on Nov 8, 2009 5:24 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm coming into this VERY late, but: Fedor is Daniel-san
The thing that I find most amazing about Fedor is how unskilled he is.
Wait, let me explain.
Fedor is a master of MMA, but not of any of its disciplines. His striking is hard and effective, but rudimentary. His wrestling is basic, but seemingly unstoppable. His submissions are things you learn in the first year of BJJ, but nearly impossible to escape. The guy is great at scrambles, fantastic at transitions, and amazing at combining what he knows. But it’s not like you see the kind of striking displays you get out of Anderson Silva, the kind of wrestling we’ve come to expect from GSP or the kind of BJJ wizardry of a BJ or Aoki.
He’s the karate kid of MMA. He has the basics down so perfectly that he doesn’t need anything flashy. He’s spent so long waxing on and waxing off that his three striking techniques (pawing jab, left hook to straight right combo, overhand right) are all he needs. His takedowns are anything byt flashy. You’ll never see him go for an omoplata or a D’arce choke, but his RNC, his kimura and his armbar are picture-perfect.
Thoughts?
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I think that’s why, every time he wins, his opponent has that look like “How the hell did he beat me?”.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Exactly
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this......
but my heart jumped with 1:21 left in the first round, for a split second I thought Fedor was going to soccer kick Rogers. That would have sucked to lose via dq.
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