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War Machine: "Porn is More Important Than MMA at the Moment. I Want to be One of the Top Porn Guys"

The fighter/porn actor formerly known as "Jon Koppenhaver" talked to MiddleEasy about a multitude of controversial topics. Here's War Machine talking about prioritizing his new career in porn over MMA:

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My priority right now is to make good money and feed the War Machine. I've been fighting for seven years and MMA, I make a living but I don't make enough money to save. I'm never going to be able to have enough to buy a house or buy a cool car. Right now, my main priority is making money. I want to do my best in the porn industry and I want to try to be one of the top, top porn guys, you know what I mean? So right now, porn is more important than MMA at the moment. I love to fight and I'm always going to fight, regardless of what happens.

I was nervous as hell. More nervous than any other fight I've ever had. So nervous...terrified. It's no joke. It was crazy. Luckily when I got to the set, the crew were super cool they were MMA fans. The girl that I shot my first scene with, Riley Steele, she was really pretty and she was really nice. She made me feel comfortable. Porn is like fighting, you're always ready before but once you get punched...you're fine. When I touched her, I felt way better but until I made contact I felt nervous as hell... Before the scene, I really didn't know what to do. I thought 'should I shadowbox?'

Fighting and porn is so similar. Everything from like, I got the agent. I got Ken Pavia from MMAagents and Derek from Alex Drake models. They find me the fight, they find me the girls. You got organizations like UFC and WEC then you got the organizations like Digital Playground, it could be Vivid, Wicked, whatever. So in MMA I fight around, in porn...I hump around. Then you got the pre-fight jitters, same as being on the set. Performance anxiety...dude, it's very similar. I think fighting has helped me prepare for it. The producer was telling me 'Dude, I'll tell you right now you're going to fail. The first time everyone fails. Sometimes the first two or three times they all fail'. But I was able to succeed and I think it's mostly because my fighting stance really helps me...plus my whoring experience. I've been around and around and around. It's similar man, it's very similar.

In the porn, the money is very lucrative. I think from now on I'll be focusing on the porn. I'm still going to fight because that's my passion. I love to fight and I realized that I've probably blew my chances of ever going back to the UFC. But I can still main event all medium sized shows all across the country and the world. But I'm still going to fight, two or three times a year. That's what I love to do, I love beating people up, I want to fight, I want to train, I want to get better. I'm still going to be training.

The entire interview shows more of War Machine being War Machine. He says the UFC "Rapes" fighters by being not paying them well, Cris Cyborg takes testosterone, Brock Lesnar is a "big gay bully", and believe it or not, he was a smart student who all the teachers liked.

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I don’t know how to break this to Mr. Machine, but there is not a lot of money in porn for male performers.

by John Nash on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Not a lot of money for male performers in STRAIGHT porn. It can be pretty lucrative to go gay for pay.

by bla10cow on Nov 4, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you know?

by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I’m either full of useless facts or I’m a sexual deviant. I’ll let you decide.

by bla10cow on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I’ll take the “full of useless facts”. The other option is too uncomfortable to consider.

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 5, 2009 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I thought, but, unfortunately, that is not the case.

by John Nash on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There was a True Life on MTV about people doing porn. The guy that went gay for pay made a decent amount. I don’t remember the numbers exactly but I’m pretty sure it was more than just like $200 a scene.

by bla10cow on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that too

I’m pretty sure it was several thousand a scene.

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by funnytiger on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ouch

found out the hard way, eh…

by fedorade on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless

You’re a truculent bottom, at least then you’re “topping from the bottom” instead of just “top because of the other guy making more contact with the mat but not doing anything with it.”

by Chortles on Nov 5, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

ie, a “power bottom”

by judonerd on Nov 5, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

women make 4-8 times what their male counterparts do

if it’s a vivid lady she will get 8 times b/c she can have a line of toys and other stuff. if it’s just your run of the mill lady it’s about 4 times. i used to live in vegas and every early january they have the avn show at the sands expo. go on a thursday when the convention gets started. most porn women do like to discuss how many projects or products they have coming out. mr war machine is going to find that performance in mma is easier than in porn. peace. p.s i’ll bet after a few straight movies they will tell him to do gay porn. lol!

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 4, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But being the bottom gay porn is far more lucrative. I think it’s the whole who’s getting penetrated thing, lol.

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by funnytiger on Nov 5, 2009 7:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Porn is More Important Than MMA at the Moment.

Fixed.

by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Awesome.

Let’s not give UFC / or Koppenhaver (I refuse to call him by that asinine nickname) any ideas, though.

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 5, 2009 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably the next matchup for UFC 108

Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.

by SSreporters on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a mediocre fighter at best. One way or another it will be nice to not hear what this amoeba has to say.

by Poindexter on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

So can we have a no fighter bashing rule, except for hepmachine? We can call it the Koppenhaver rule. I’m sorry but this guy irritates the shit out of me.

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by actionbastard on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

“Pulling a Koppenhaver”: when a mediocre fighter screws their fighting career because of stupid decisions, assinine opinions, and/or an uncontrollable mouth/ego, and resorts to some sort of hilarious/bizarre alternative career.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

With all this hate, I sense a bit of jealous from the peanut gallery.

cause God knows I am

by Krimson on Nov 5, 2009 1:02 AM EST reply actions  

…nnnnnnnnnnnope. Two things I don’t ever want to have to do: pay for sex, or get paid for sex.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Nov 5, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

As a motivation

Isn’t it possible that he may have determined that the sport has passed him by? (But, of course, not porn, I have no idea how the hell someone could surpass him at that.)

by Chortles on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 AM EST reply actions  

way to go—TWO careers that require blood tests, fuck your health up and hang you out to dry when you get old.

didnt this guy say he’d kill himself when he was too old to fight? this is one big cry for help and some of us here should stop glorifying the downward spiral.

by judonerd on Nov 5, 2009 4:44 AM EST reply actions  

why is it a cry for help?

I just see it as a guy who wants to fuck, and wants to fight, and he found a way to get paid to do both.. I doubt he’d refuse doing it with Riley Steele even if it was for free and wasn’t for porn.

I don’t see anything wrong with that… With his other statements, sure those are some crazy claims, but I don’t see what’s wrong with him doing those two careers.

by Anton Tabuena on Nov 5, 2009 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

didnt this guy say he’d kill himself when he was too old to fight?

by judonerd on Nov 5, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yep. one of his crazy claims.. what’s your point?

by Anton Tabuena on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a smart student...
Alright so if I’m 170 minus 55 pounds, what’s that 125?
 

by dancingChicken on Nov 5, 2009 4:45 AM EST reply actions  

Close.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 5, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t this the guy who a while back claimed he was going to move to Philippines and die in a knife fight outside a bar before turning 50?

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 5, 2009 6:22 AM EST reply actions  

The very same.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Nov 5, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Iron Sheik says,

You know what I think of War Machine. I am going to put you in a camel clutch, break your back, and …. . I’ll make you humble.

by cyrusking on Nov 5, 2009 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

This guy has stretched his 15 minutes out longer than anyone I’ve ever seen from TUF.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

That's not the only thing he's stretching.

Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.

by SSreporters on Nov 5, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Two thoughts occurred to me: 1) I wonder what he’s working with and 2) How is porn still lucrative? People that would never download a song or movie download porn for gree. Just seems odd. But more power to the guy as I’ve gone on record that I’d do a couple of flicks to pay a light bill if times got tough.

by black dragon on Nov 5, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

To be honest

War Machine came off ok on TUF. He seems like an ok kid. More power to him if he’s doing what he likes to do. As long as he’s happy.

Seriously (i’m not christian or anything) who are we to judge him.

But that doesn’t mean he can’t be entertainment.

by rainmaker6 on Nov 5, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

I just read that again

I think I mean to say…that doesn’t mean we can’t be entertained by his actions.

hmm i think i’m digging a hole here.

by rainmaker6 on Nov 5, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

For a good laugh, read the headlines of "Related Fanposts" on the side of this page

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Nov 5, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

A little porn info

I’ve had fun with the porn innuendos, but I just have to say War Machine (and anyone else) is fooling himself if he thinks he will make a good living being a pornstar. If he’s lucky he’ll make $500 a shoot. That may be good money, but it’s not great. And it’s not consistent. And that payscale he’d be lucky to work one day a week.

How do I know? I probably know more about the porn industry than I care to admit. No, not because I’m it (I’m not), but I have had a lot of dealings with those who are. These people include: A friend who owns a porn distribution company; another friend who used to manage a porn production company; and a neighbor who works as a adult actor casting agent. As for myself, living in LA and working in the entertainment industry you can’t help but know some of the “talent”.

So what I want to share is how little money is now in porn. I know everybody thinks it is a huge industry, but they are mistaken. It is a dying industry. It is the housing market of the entertainment industry. Why? Two reasons.
First : Too many people have gotten into it. It was great during the late 90’s and early part of this decade when sales were growing, but now it is shrinking, with ever more people trying to get into the business to make a buck.
Second: Sales have collapsed. Everything is free on the internet so DVD sales (the lifeblood of the industry) have plummeted. So not only is everyone fighting for smaller and smaller pieces of the pie, the pie keeps shrinking. Not a great industry on which to plan for your future with.

by John Nash on Nov 5, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

alright, Ron…

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Nov 5, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve actually met Ron several times. One time I bumped into at 3 am at a park near where I live and I mistook him for a homeless man.

by John Nash on Nov 5, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

$500 a shoot is for the generic porno companies? the ones that releases random looking girls? or for the big companies like Digital Playground which war machine is with?

by Anton Tabuena on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

For a small company he’d probably get $150-300 a pop. Or even lower for a really crap shoot. The big model guys (Gay) can make more.

by John Nash on Nov 5, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I came to this thread hoping to read a few funny War Machine jokes. Instead I got a very comprehensive breakdown on the financials of the porn industry.

by bignerd on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, totally lame...

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by Leland Roling on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry if I dashed your hopes for a career change.

by John Nash on Nov 5, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, not a good Help Wanted ad

Need to trump up the benefits of the job and hide the salary figures. Something like free STD medical testing every 6 weeks and you get to bang all the dirty skanks you want. Pretty much the same living as Pat Berry with two additional benefits.

by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 5:10 AM EST up reply actions  

War Machine > Iron Man

Excessive shoulder-mounted weapons FTW.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 6, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

As an old school 70’s and 80’s comic book fan that is just fucking blasphemy. Jim Rhodes will always be Iron Man II in my book.

by John Nash on Nov 6, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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