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Strikeforce Marketing Fedor Emelianenko: The Anti-Star

Ben Fowlkes breaks down the real problem with selling Fedor in an MMA Fanhouse round table:

Naturally fans want to see fighters who they identify with, but the thing that's standing between Fedor and star status isn't nationality or even language. The real barrier is Fedor himself. He really doesn't want to be a star. It doesn't mean anything to him. That's why he does the bare minimum in terms of press and appearances. That's why he hasn't made it a priority to become a fluent speaker of English. He's fine with his celebrity status just the way it is, which is actually very refreshing, if not downright unheard of.

It's interesting to watch the various attempts at marketing Fedor to an American audience. There's this tendency to try and make his reclusiveness into an asset rather than a hindrance. They play up the mystery around him, asking 'Do you know who I am?' or sometimes just promising 'Fedor will return.' But if you're an American who is at all inclined toward MMA or combat sports in general, you've probably at least heard of Fedor by now. The only people who have no idea who the guy is either don't care about watching two grown men fight each other or don't have much access to media in general.

If Fedor wanted to be a huge star in the U.S., he would be. He would have signed with the UFC and he'd be on T-shirts in every mall in America by now. But if he doesn't care about that - and he very clearly doesn't - I don't see why we should.

The Chicago Sun Times has more on this aspect of Fedor:

Nor does he act like the stereotypical modern athlete.

''He is this humble guy. Very religious, doesn't drink, doesn't party. He has this great attitude about him,'' Coker said. ''He doesn't have this overbearing, cocky, egotistical attitude that some of the other fighters have that think they're the man --when really Fedor is the man. You'd never think he's a fighter until the bell rings.''

...

Most fighters dream of an opportunity to compete for the sport's biggest organization, but Emelianenko is certainly not the typical fighter.

He seems not to care if you know his name, if he achieves commercial success, or if he achieves American superstardom.

''I don't think about that because I'm preparing for my fights. I want to show interesting and beautiful fights so that the audience loves the fights.''

It's also worth noting that 1/3 of the Sun-Times piece is devoted to the bidding war between the UFC and Strikeforce over Fedor's services. When Dana White made a super-aggressive, public quest to sign Fedor and then turned it into a feud when he failed, he added something that had been missing from the Fedor story. Something essential to news coverage: conflict and intrigue.

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Isn’t Fedor a huge star in his home country? If so, doesn’t that somewhat invalidate the first point that Fedor is someone who doesn’t want to be a star. He already is. He doesn’t care about the US market, but he is already is a star in Russia. I attribute it to cultural differences more so then anti-star.

by szucconi on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I might be wrong...

but I thought I’ve read on here a few times that he isn’t really that well known in Russia.

by soadtrails on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People keep saying htat, but it really isn’t true. And if he is famous there, he’s not famous enough to generate enough money to keep him and his handlers happy, so the fame isn’t worth much.

The problem isn’t cultural differences, it’s not that he doesn’t want to be a star. The problem is that no one has done anything that resembles a decent job of trying to promote him in the US.

by Phildo on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could be way off base. I don’t really know if he is a star in Russia or not, but I don’t think he is hurting for money and I thought he was freinds at some level with the former president Putin?

by szucconi on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not hurting for money, but money is obviously an issue.

If it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be such a hang up over co-promotion and all the other bullshit that goes along with it

by Phildo on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His Putin connection

Is his Sambo, being that is one of the national sports of Russia. Not sure how much Putin cares about his MMA.

It is really hard to be a national star in russia given the issues with the media, and the remoteness of so much of the population. It really is a country as different to America as Japan is. Crazy. From what I hear, they actually have no idea what the population of the country really is.

To highlight the problems with getting info in russia, you needn’t look further than the vote of their favourite Russian of all time. Stalin got 3rd I believe. That is like Cambodia voting for Pol Pot, but the personality cults that have been developed in that country are hard to dispell with such a lack of availability of information.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Nov 5, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

He is not a huge star in Japan. He is getting more publicity now, but he is not a star at all. He likes it that way, no matter where he is.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meant Russia. He is probably bigger star in Japan is what I meant to say, though, that is slowly changing.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MMA isn't that popular in Russia

its still seen as pretty barbaric.

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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the whole point. M-1 Global is trying to make it more mainstream and accepted. Showing this fight on Saturday is the first step at legitimizing a sport in which a Russian is the best at. He would have already been on Russia’s biggest network if it weren’t for Affliction Trilogy being canceled. You can expect all of Fedor’s fights to be broadcasted on Russian National TV from now on, something that would have never been possible before. I think it will definitely gain some traction from now on.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be very curious to see how that goes

in the 1990s there was a steady wave of MMA talent coming from the former USSR — Oleg Taktarov, Volk Han, Igor Zinoviev, Igor Vovchanchyn, Mikhail Illioukhine, Andrei Arlovski and finally Fedor and Aleks. But it seems like the Emelianenko brothers are the last of that wave. Perhaps a dramatic increase in the exposure the sport gets in Russia will spur the interest in competing professionally among Russia’s many judokas, sambo practioners, wrestlers and kickboxers. The athletic talent is there. The martial traditions are there. Just needs a spur. If Fedor can show that MMA can be as good a career path as boxing, then maybe we’ll get a bigger % of Russia’s combat sports talent.

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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t necessarily agree.

The athletic talent in those areas seems lacking to me. Especially in Sambo. Fedor is on a different level in comparison to some of the practitioners in those sports. Judo might be able to provide some talent out of Russia, but I’m reluctant to believe it. It seems like a lot of terrible boxers in Russia move to MMA and get killed on a regional level too much for anyone to ever really come out of there right now.

They really need some better camps that have more than just Fedor.

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by Leland Roling on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol CAMP...Fedor?

no no no SIR…he doesn’t train in a camp…he trains in a broken down gym…with 13 year olds….

by 1WAYtiket on Nov 4, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely think the machismo and martial culture is there to provide a base. If they can get enough exposure to spur interest and a growth in camps and clubs (the usual Russian way) you could see it being a viable territory for talent and consumers.

by nottheface on Nov 4, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There may be a reason why so many former USSR combatants succeeded in the early days and have fallen off the map: martial arts are very popular in those countries, but mixed martial arts is not. In the early, Darwinistic days of the sport, the great judo, sambo, wrestling, and kickbocking practitioners could use their mastery of one martial art to compete, adding other skills as they were necessary. Now that the sport has evolved to the point where an overall skillset is needed, Russians and Ukrainians and all the rest find themselves unable to rely on their mastery of one art, and without the infrastructure, unable to develop the overarching training techniques needed to compete.

by nottheface on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is because he is flat broke! Just kidding, it is refreshing to see a down to earth athlete where everything hasnt gone to his head.

by Riney on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think anybody should really give a shit whether or not he wants superstardom.

Once that bells rings, he becomes a fucking nightmare to the man standing across from him, and that’s what’s intriguing about Fedor.

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by Leland Roling on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There are way too many articles concerning how do you market Fedor, can you market him and not to mention his reluctance to learn more english.*

When he gets in the ring, does he give you a good show? Yes or No.

*It’s amazing that I hear so many statements concerning a fighter’s willingness to learn english when many American fighters that fought in Japan are not fluent in japanese. In addition to that, it is common for many people outside the United States can speak more than 2 or 3 languages . . . not so much in the United States.

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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And that’s the thing about Fedor.

There’s been all this analysis about what angle Strikeforce/CBS can take to market the “anti-star” and the truth is that they’re just sort of hooped because Zuffa owns all of his fight footage.

If you can sell Kimbo to people via YouTube videos of him beating up bums in backyards, you could market Fedor by showing people this. And if you can’t right now, you’re going to have to wait for him to fight enough times so that you can.

It doesn’t matter if he’s humble (though it is pretty cool) or if he can work a crowd or whatever, if you have even a passing interest in seeing two people fight, you only need to see this guy do it once to be hooked.

by kid_eh on Nov 4, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fight enough times for your promotion

by kid_eh on Nov 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. I posted something on Jonathan Snowden’s recent fanpost about the difference in appeal Fedor has to hardcore and casual fans. To us hardcore fans his lack of emotion is an asset. It’s like he’s projecting all the spartan, bushido crap we want to believe in. But to the casual it’s a drawback. They want a personality, a story line to captivate them. They want superheroes and video games writ large. Watching his technical mastery is not enough for fans who really don’t study martial arts or the sport that closely.

Eventually, if Fedor dismantles one or two opponents in front of a large American audience, they’ll be able to market him as the icy, cold methodical Russian Terminator and casual fans will eat it up.

by nottheface on Nov 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great response!

You hit the nail on the head. Personally, I am not a fan of the quiet, emotionless warrior crap, but I think you are totally right that is the appeal for a lot of hardcores whether they want to admit it or not.

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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t believe differentiating between the hardcore and the casual is as cut and dry as you make it sound. There are plenty of Sherdoggers who buy every UFC and stay up all hours of the night so they can watch DREAM live who love a good personality. Likewise, plenty of casuals love Anderson Silva even though he presents the same problems as Fedor marketing-wise. He doesn’t speak English, doesn’t have a flamboyant personality, and besides his technical wizardry doesn’t really seem like much of a draw in and of himself. However, casuals do like and enjoy watching him fight. What separates a fighter like Anderson Silva and Fedor? The UFC marketing department.

by Excelsior! on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure why I chose Sherdog when I could have used any other community. I guess in my mind if you sign up for a forum like Sherdog dedicated solely to MMA and it’s discussion, you can be labelled a “hardcore”. that isn’t to say the vast majority of Sherdoggers have the IQ of a 5 year old, myself included.

by Excelsior! on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty much my thought as well. I love the fact that he’s mysterious, stoic, and just calm. And then when the bell rings, and he explodes. It’s mesmerizing. Absolutely mesmerizing.

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by Leland Roling on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

If he was more outgoing andnot so mysterious I think he would lose a lot of his appeal. As they say he always leaves you wanting more…

by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

‘’He is this humble guy. Very religious, doesn’t drink, doesn’t party."

I read an interview with him a while back where someone asked if he drinked beer and he laughed and said I drink, but not beer.

Also there is an old video of him inviting Randleman to do shots with him, I think after their fight.

So maybe he doesnt anymore, product of his new marriage I guess.

by DirtyML on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The point of that statement was that he doesn’t binge drink and party, type of thing. Russians of course drink hard liquor, non of that beer crap. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno getting in a sauna naked with 2 other guys and giggling and drinking vodka sounds like a party to some people :P

by DirtyML on Nov 4, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And only a bat to the head would solve that problem.

Child…

by The Engineer on Nov 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Russians of course drink hard liquor”

And honey.

by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Have to keep in touch with nature.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard liquor enables the body to function in a climate the Fkn cold. It is just ridiculous how cold it is, and I completely understand their love/need for Vodka.

that said, i am from Australia and am allergic to cold.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Nov 5, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it Big Nog or CroCop?I don’t remember, but a fighter saw fedor getting hammered in a japanese bar, and talked about it, and it pissed fedor apparently.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor cant lose this

THE MAN HAD TIDDIES!!! lol

by xbuckeyex05 on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is the greatest band you’ve never heard of…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 4, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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