Using UFC to Promote Fedor Emelianenko, Strikeforce
I've been talking with other journalists and analysts in the sport about how Strikeforce should be and isn't promoting Fedor properly. During these talks, our own Michael Rome had an interesting idea: why not use the UFC's popularity against itself? In other words, promote Fedor by having the cavalcade of UFC fighters who've given endorsements in the past about the Russian and his abilities rather than other MMA journalists no one knows. It's a smart idea. Use their existing appeal and cosigning to give the recommendations about Fedor real heft and gravity. Joe Rogan and BJ Penn do so here and here, respectively.
But why stop there? I also believe Strikeforce can use the failed negotiations between Emelianenko/M-1 with the UFC this past summer to demonstrate their clout as a real competitor to Zuffa. And as you can see, the press is naturally drawn to the storyline of that now famous rift:
Emelianenko is one of the few big names in MMA to operate outside of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Many of his critics believe he cannot be the true No. 1 unless he fights the best competition, which they say reside in the UFC. In 2006, after the UFC bought Pride FC, where Emelianenko was the heavyweight champion, many of its fighters signed with the UFC, but not him.
For years, fans have clamored to have the UFC sign him and it almost happened in August. Emelianenko became a free agent after Affliction got out of the fight promotion business.
Emelianenko's management company, M-1 Global, held talks with the UFC. Huge salary numbers were tossed around, but the main issue was co-promotion. M-1 wanted to co-promote Emelianenko's fights with the UFC. The UFC has never done that and said they never will. The talks deadlocked.
Strikeforce was willing to accept M-1's co-promotion terms. It already has a co-promotion deal with DREAM, a Japanese MMA company. So it was Strikeforce that signed Emelianenko to a four-fight contract.
UFC president Dana White was furious with Emelianenko, M-1, and Strikeforce. Fans were teased by the tantalizing thought of a match with Emelianenko against the UFC's dominating heavyweight Brock Lesnar. But this week Emelianenko didn't seem to worry about fan backlash.
''I think it would be good if they would understand that I could not sign a one-sided contract with the UFC,'' Emelianenko said. ''Vadim [Finkelchtein], my manager he considered that we deserve a little bit more.''
If you can't beat the UFC, use them. It won't solve all of your problems, but it's far better than swimming upstream. MMA is the UFC's show. One might as well borrow some of their glow.
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I think this harkens back to Rome’s point right after Fedor signed, they should be doing this card the same day as a UFC show.
Fedor and Strikeforce get the most attention when Dana is talking about them. once the decision was made to be on CBS, they should have stopped being scared of the UFC counter programming, they should have used it to their advantage to get people (and in particular Dana) talking about the card in public. Having the show a week that Dana has no reason to talk to anyone is a mistake I think.
Ii thought Fedors deal was for three fights.
by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
strikeforce acting like 1 guy will make them a threat to the ufc
is like if the xfl trying to take on the nfl by getting 1 guy like dan marino. its a joke.
also, fedor is like number 5 at best, he fights guys minowa can beat. whoopdy shit.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Name four guys who should be ranked higher than Fedor.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
brock lesnar
nogeria, coture, mir ,carwin. and personally i think if the fight between fedor and monson had gone down, fedor would have had about a 50 50 chance on that. possibly rizzo, barnett, but i know better than to argue with those who worship fedor. i know how you guys think so let me redo my list. 1. thor 2.oden 3.hercules 4.an abrahms tank.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Your joking right? I mean you have to be a troll.
You have the worst list Ive ever seen, Rizzo who is 1-2 is his last three, Monson who is always good but can never beat top competition, Nog and Mir who have one loss in there last two, Couture??? A case can be made for Brock if he beats Carwin and then Nog.
The fact that you would put Carwin over Fedor really makes me feel that you have never watched MMA or have very limited knowledge about it.
Here are the fighters who can possibly be ahead of Fedor in P4P
Anderson Silva andGSP, mayyybe B.J. Penn and Machida.
we werent talking p4p
and like i said, there is no point in arguing with you fedor nut-huggers. any body can have a winning record when they fight nobodys and guys who are past their prime. name somebody fedor has fought in the last 2 years that make him the god of mma you think he is. also, if you think b.j. penn is maybe better p4p, you should go back to watching “pro-wrestling” because you dont know shit.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
everybody on my list
would have the same record as fedor over the last few years if they had fought the same people.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow just wow man
1. I am a Fedor nut-hugger because of what i said was true? I never said he was the “God of MMA” but he is clearly the best HW. Sylvia Lindland and AA are better that what most of the guys you mentioned have fought in the last two years, who the hell has Carwin Rizzo and Monson fought?
2. Zulu and Choi are the only “cans” he has fought in the last 5 years.
3. I was talking about P4P because there is NO HW higher than Fedor.
4. B.J. Penn should be on everyone’s P4P list.
5. If your going to be a troll you have to be better than this, pro-wrestling comments? really? you can do better than that.
I stopped reading when you listed Nogueira,
who hasn’t beat Fedor in 3 tries..
credebility fail..
are you gonna call me a Fedor nuthugger now? okay. hahaha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Solve for the inequality
FEDOR + x > UFC
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Your classic interview of DMX illustrates the problem with this.
refresher:
Luke Thomas: “are you a fan of MMA… do you watch MMA?”
DMX: “what the fuck is that? I watch ultimate fighting. I love it”.
This is why you here guys like Ranallo try his best to tell people “Folks this sport is called MMA” because they realize until that distinction isnt made everything they are doing amounts to running in quick sand.
This is all futile… It’s like someone getting on TV saying: “folks this is not a rollerblade… stop calling this rollerblading… these are inline skates”.
more than half the people watching the CBS show will think it’s “ultimate fighting” or “UFC”.
You can embrace it and garner the short term benefits but all it does is further feed the beast.
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
No, that’s why Dana made a big deal about obtaining Pride and later Affliction’s video library. (I think Zuffa got the Affliction library, I could be wrong.) The purpose was not because old footage are cash cows in the DVD and on-demand market, but to prevent any rival promotion from using them.
Not correct. They don’t own footage shot by some guy who then uploaded it to YouTube. That footage and the images contained therein belong to that person or the media entity they represent. The UFC owns the library of fights from PRIDE, which is a completely separate entity.
It still doesn’t seem like Strikeforce could just legally pull videos off youtube or from other sources and use UFC fighters likeness to promote their product.
i dont think they can
any ufc video put on youtube is there illegally, whether it was taken from a dvd and posted, or personally taped at an event without permission, theyre both illegal.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Christ, people. What is so hard to understand about this? If I film BJ Penn at his gym saying “Fedor is great” with my camera and put it on YouTube, it’s not UFC footage. It’s my footage. I’m not filming a UFC event or using any part of Zuffa’s library.
Can Strikeforce use UFC footage? No, of course not. Can they use my footage if I grant permission? Yes. That’s how HDNet was able to show Dana White’s interview with UltMMA on Inside MMA last week. Do you think White granted persmission to HDNet? Please. My personal footage of BJ Penn – provided it isn’t the result of footage obtained from a credentialed UFC media event – is my personal property and beyond the legal purview of the UFC.
by Luke Thomas on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i was referring solely to fight footage.
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that's the guy who said Fedor is not top 5 at best, and probably behind Pedro Rizzo.
so I wouldn’t stress about what he’s saying if i were you. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It seems like their is a difference between using someones likeness in an endorsement or commercial and using a clip on a news show. I have never seen a commercial other than a political ad, take footage of a person inadvertantly endorsing a product and using it without consent of the party. Why wouldn’t pepsi just find a video of a star drinking a pepsi and plaster it on an advertisement?
I understand what you are saying about media outlet or individual owning the footage of the interview, I just find it hard to believe that anyone would have the right to use the footage in as an endorsement in a comercial without paying the individual for using their likeness to promote your product.
Strikeforce should focus more on promoting Rogers right now.
He’s charismatic, he’s scary-looking, he’s got a great backstory, and he already speaks English. Throw in the fact that he’s fighting in his hometown, and he’s a ready-made superstar for Strikeforce.
Think about it. If Rogers pulls off the upset (and it’s only an upset in the minds of devoted MMA fans) then they have a huge new star for hardcore fans, and a pretty badass guy for casual fans to latch on to.
If Fedor wins, then it’s no big deal for us, but to the casual fan, it’s pretty amazing to see the doughy Russian guy put a beatdown on the ginormous black dude. Promoting Fedor too heavily is throwing money down the crapper right now. Rogers is a workhorse, and can get the job done.
yeah
it would be wise to build the other people in that promotion up as stars in their own right, as opposed to making them all just faceless challengers trying to take down fedor. its almost got like an old school “enter the beast” vibe. and by building other people up, when fedor does lose, they will have built other stars to rely on.
by masteroftheflyingguillotine on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
They should harness Fedor's Anonymity/Enigma
Strikeforce shouldn’t try to cover up the fact Fedor’s a relative unknown in the States. Rather, they should drop just enough hints — fighter endorsements, brief fight footage, etc. — that he’s the real deal, while playing up his generally benign, friendly looks. Show him in his sweater, eating ice cream, coupled with the caption “See the world’s most dangerous man in action” — stuff like that.
It would be provocative — dare I say viral.
I think it’s a terrible idea. It’s sad and pathetic when a company thinks they need to try and use another company to gain relevance. They should just do the best they can to promote based on their product and not go bandying the UFC’s name. It only validates the UFC as the king, and is an admission that Strikeforce is a cheap ugly stepsister that’s holed up in her cave in the woods behind the house.
It’s sad and pathetic, yet it works.
Would the Mac vs PC commercials still be airing if they didn’t work?
They need to do whatever they need to do to get some relevance.
Are they working? Did the Taco Bell chihuahua work? Nope. Did that stop them from using it to high heaven? Nope. Did the Apple ads work once? Maybe. Do they work right now? I doubt it. Bottom line is, Apples work because of the product that they’ve refined, and not how cute the commercials are (and they’ve gone from pre-pubescent toddler-like cute to teenager post-pubescent ugliness). Those ads are a pathetic waste of money at this point. No one even smiles at them anymore, and there’s no evidence that they sell more apples when it does make someone smile. But the fact is, the apple ads have a shred of truth to them. Using Fedor to claim relevancy with respect to the UFC is sheer lunatardosity and any informed or casual fan would see right through it.
Strikeforce’s best bet is to use the growing appeal of MMA, show lots of clips of Fedor’s best fights (if they’re allowed) build him on his own merits, as an exciting fighter, and take it from there. If it makes sense to name-drop the UFC, then do it, but don’t make it a point. People now days see right through that stuff. Clever is not good enough anymore. Honesty is the only thing that sells.

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