November Will Answer Two Big Questions About Fedor Emelianenko
Josh Gross asks, 1. Will Fedor remain at the top of the heavyweight division?
Emelianenko's cage debut Nov. 7 on CBS will reveal plenty regarding the state of a weight class. For 33-year-old Russian to retain the top spot, he'll be expected to walk through 6-foot-5, 265-pound Brett Rogers. But if Rogers pulls off one of the biggest upsets in MMA history -- despite being unbeaten in 10 fights, a victory by Rogers over Emelianenko would, in my estimation, be equivalent to Buster Douglas unseating Mike Tyson -- MMA's heavyweights would, for the first time in years, face the kind of upheaval previously reserved for everyone else.
and (this is the much more important question) 2. Is Fedor a marketable star in the U.S.?
Will a non-English-speaking European athlete captivate an American audience? It hasn't happened in boxing, though few foreign pugilists have appeared on American soil with the kind of support Emelianenko boasts among ardent MMA watchers. The expectation from network executives is for hardcore fans to watch in droves on Saturday. This we know. But what about casual fans who committed themselves in record numbers to viewing ratings king Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson on CBS, Showtime and SpikeTV?
Without "media lightning rods" like Slice or Gina Carano, both of whom deserve credit for pulling substantial ratings in the all-important male 18-34 demographic, Kelly Kahl, senior executive vice president of primetime programming for CBS, hopes Emelianenko's standing as MMA's best heavyweight will resonate with casual audiences. A late marketing push on the network (full disclosure: I was quoted in promo spots that ran over the weekend on CBS) and strong pre-event media coverage (Strikeforce has received nearly three times as many media credential requests than its previous best) has the network and its promotional partner feeling good heading into fight week.
Gross also projects that anything less than a peak audience of 5.5 million for Fedor's fight will be a major disappointment. That would be a couple million less than Kimbo Slice's peak, but considerably better than the Jake Shields headlined EliteXC from July 2008. Gross expects Fedor to meet that threshold.
A few weeks back, our own Michael Rome made his own projections about how the show would do and drew similar conclusions:
On November 7, Strikeforce will put on the biggest fight it can possibly promote in Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers. There are lots of ratings predictions going around, but the truth is that almost nobody knows what Fedor will draw on CBS. The safe money puts the number between the 1.9 Jake Shields and Robbie Lawler draw and the 3.1 Kimbo Slice drew against James Thompson. The former number was a disaster, while the latter was an unmitigated success.
The implications for the future of MMA could not be bigger. While the UFC is indisputably the industry leader, so far ahead of the pack they're about to lap the competition, a successful CBS broadcast will change the playing field.
I've written a great deal in the past about how significant it would have been for the UFC to have signed Fedor after the fall of Affliction:
Dana and the Fertittas came very close to permanently locking up all five of the marquee divisions in MMA when they went balls out trying to sign Fedor Emeliananko earlier this month. Most of the analysis revolved around Fedor's motivations and the angry backlash of disappointed fans who wanted to see Fedor vs Brock Lesnar, but most missed the implications of the UFC acquiring the top heavyweight in the game. Had they locked up Fedor then Zuffa would have the #1 fighter in all seven of the divisions tracked by the USAT/SBN Consensus MMA rankings and would have effectively locked themselves in as THE major league of the sport.
But even with that final victory snatched from his grasp, Dana only pushes even harder for world domination. In the aftermath of Strikeforce's very solid ratings performance with Carano vs Cyborg, the specter of Fedor on CBS has to be keeping Dana White up at night.
It was one thing for CBS and EliteXC to have a short term success on the back of Kimbo Slice and Gina Carano, neither of whom represented a direct threat to the UFC. But if the undisputed #1 heavyweight in the world becomes a major draw on an American broadcast network and the UFC is on the outside looking in, it means there will be competition to promote the biggest MMA fights for the foreseeable future. That's big doings.
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Fedorable, you gotta love him. America WILL love him once they see his sweater. =)
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 4, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is he gonna wear it to the cage Saturday night or something?
by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Pre hype fight vid. I heard he wears it. Done deal. =P
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of things
But if the undisputed #1 heavyweight in the world becomes a major draw on an American broadcast network and the UFC is on the outside looking in
Will casual fans see him as the undisputed #1 HW?
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 4, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
With Lesnar out of the loop for a while and guys like Velasquez and Carwin not exactly capturing the casual fans imagination, Fedor could well fill that vacuum.
by cyke on Nov 4, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they will be told and told
that he is the undisputed #1.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Lesnar is definitely the bigger name of the 2 and I think you’re going to have a hard time convincing casuals that Fedor is #1 without them asking why he hasn’t fought Lesnar whom they’ve already been told and told is the undisputed #1.
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But casual fans are fickle and the Lesnar sheen will wear off once he’s been out of commission for a while. The Fedor myth will grow if the suits at Strikeforce can spin him the right way.
by cyke on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Lesnar being out for a few months is really enough time for them to grow the Fedor myth into this insurmountable media giant who casual fans will flock to in droves. Lesnar was already a huge draw before he became champion and honestly, I think it would take him either quitting or being out for a couple years for the “sheen to wear off”. We get to see him fight only 2 or 3 times a year as it is and that seems to sustain the sheen more than wear on it.
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the BROCKLESNAR fans are pro-wrestling converts who want to see sloppy “wars” and wrestling moves pulled off in matches…good luck having any type of dialogue or meaningful discussion on anything with them.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As great as Fedor is, every fight of his represents an event where he could lose, signalling the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. Despite his body of work, it’s impossible to watch him fight without some sense of excitement over the potential changing of the guard.
I’m feeling the same way about this fight, watching to see how long the reign of the last emperor will continue.
by cyke on Nov 4, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our heroes must not be mortal
Should Fedor lose, there’s a good chance that the UFC may make Rogers an offer he can’t refuse – imagine billing Brett as “the man who beat Fedor” and pitching him in to the HW div. The UFC must surely see such challenges as opportunities.
by VikingPhotography on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else think that Fight Camp 360 was pretty great?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
would've been even better with Fedor fight footage
they couldn’t even show what Rogers’ camp was looking at on their screens while they broke down the fight.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
but at the same time I loved how much smoother and professional it looked than most preview shows. It was a really great introduction to the masses for both guys I thought. Although, yes, more fight footage would have been nice.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 I’m feeling more pumped than I did for Shogun Machida.
by cyke on Nov 4, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which turned out to be a great fight IMO
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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, I was actually expecting it to be a blowout in favor of Machida, but was still pumped to a level I hadn’t been in a while.
by cyke on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I enjoyed that production. Wish they would have had 3 more segments with the remainder of the main event.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Fedor can capture the imagination as long as he fights excitingly. If the last two fights against Sylvia and Arlovski are anything to go by Fedor vs Rogers should be great.
by TheBeaves on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just had flashbacks
of watching Tyson pawing around the canvas for his mouthpiece, while I was picking my jaw up from the floor. I don’t think I’ll ever be as stunned after any sporting event as I was that night.
I still wonder what a Fedor loss would do to Strikeforce in the long-term. If they could hang onto Rogers and set up a trilogy of fights, maybe it would help, but would the casual public still by into the Fedor mythos after a loss to Rogers?
by rzor on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I think that isnt being discussed here..
What happens if Fedor loses ??
He will essentially be ruined. By ruined, I mean in a sense that what “very” small marketability he had will be gone in an instant. Fans that stumbled in for the show will see a guy not physically domineering get beat by a bigger guy and think to themsevles… " He was the baddest guy on the planet" ?
Brock would have destroyed him.. yadda… yadda… yadda …
Personally I think Fedor clinches and then trips him up for the takedown and transitions to side control and sinks in a Kimura or rolls to an armbar in the first maybe early second round..
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by MMAuthority on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Fedor loses its game over… (low probability)
If Fedor pulls a rating of less than 4.5m its game over… (average probability)
If Fedor pulls more than 6 million viewers then the fight goes to the next round. (probable)
If Fedor pulls 350k ppv buys then the game changes. (very low probability).
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Josh Gross is an idiot.
Can a non english speaking fighter be marketable? Uh. Both silvas, machida, and nogs have proven him wrong. Hell, GSP can barely speak English.
by slantedwindows on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
All of the people you named above at least TRY to speak English, and there is noticeable improvement in all of them.
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP speaks English perfectly fine. And there’s a reason that while Anderson Silva has been the UFC’s most dominant champ for the last few years he draws fewer buys than almost every other champ during that period.
by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva isn’t a great draw. Georges St. Pierre speaks fine english, he just has a thick accent. Machida is a good draw. I don’t know about Noguiera or Wanderlei Silva. They usually fight popular opponents (Randy Couture or Chuck Liddell) who help them draw.
by Andy R on Nov 4, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All of the guys you mentioned, have at a minimum, made the effort to use English. I think Fedor should do the same. Machida, as example, has made it clear that he is trying to learn English. It is just smart business at this point. Nobody is asking these guys to read Shakespeare, but thanking the fans and making funny cmments in English is always appreciated.
by BJJDenver on Nov 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if the undisputed #1 heavyweight in the world becomes a major draw on an American broadcast network and the UFC is on the outside looking in, it means there will be competition to promote the biggest MMA fights for the foreseeable future. That’s big doings.
This statement will not be true based on 5 million viewers on CBS… or even if Fedor pulls Kimbo’s ratings…
That statement only becomes true if they can do 350k ppv buys… That or if a network is willing to invest 8-10m dollars per show.
Anything short of this and NOTHING changes.
You can bet your ass Zuffa will be putting on a free live card the same night strikeforce puts on a ppv if not another complete PPV .
The unfortunate and fortunate reality is more than half the people watching cbs will think they’re watching “Ultimate Fighting” or “UFC”, the 20% or so who can make the distinction will be wondering “if this guy is truly the best why isnt he fighting in the UFC… or why isnt he fighting Brock Lesnar or Randy Couture”. The remaining viewers who become “captivated” will have hours upon hours of UFC programing on spike per week to satisfy their cravings.
Even in the hardcore community… in “mma land” the majority want Fedor in the UFC and their main question always comes back to “when will Fedor fight in the UFC”.
The assumption Josh “the dumbass” Gross is making is that everyone sees Fedor as “Mike Tyson” when in reality NOBODY sees Fedor as Mike Tyson save for those in this small circle. When Douglas knocked his ass out EVERYONE KNEW WHO MIKE TYSON WAS.
Lets look at Boxing which is ALL ABOUT THE FIGHTERS … where are the big money fights produced and distributed? showtime? NO. ESPN? NO. HBO? YES.
In a sport where it’s all about the fighters and there is no monumental Brand Hurdle all the big money fights still gravitate to one distribution point. To think it will be different in MMA is naive.
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
“the 20% or so who can make the distinction will be wondering "if this guy is truly the best why isnt he fighting in the UFC… or why isnt he fighting Brock Lesnar or Randy Couture".
Or “if he’s the best why isn’t this a title fight”. I still have no clue and have heard no good explanations as to why this isn’t for AT LEAST the interim HW title.
by ufc4 on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
f the interim belt, what about the almight wamma title?
by Phildo on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that’s the other big question people ask…
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, its another long rant by mmalogic saying the same rhetoric over and over again. It’s been a while. We’ve been worried.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Fedor pulls some really really wild stuff on Rogers, he won’t be seen as even in the same league as Lesnar. At least a repeat of the Sylvia fight, if not better.
Lesnar is huge and muscular. Most fans will have a hard time seeing how the small and flabby looking Fedor wouldn’t just get Mir’d by Lesnar. And they don’t have the tape of his old fights to prove Fedor can handle bigger guys.
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by toxic on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a Lesnar fan, but I definitely have a hard time imagining Fedor beating Lesnar. But my imagination is deficient. Fedor would definitely win… Maybe.
by cmsove on Nov 4, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 Questions
Does a quick dismantling of Rogers prove that Fedor is really the #1 undisputed heavyweight? Or that Rogers wasn’t as good as everyone was touting him to be?
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So
You think that Fedor dismantling an overhyped opponent would prove he’s really the #1 undisputed heavyweight? That’s some interesting logic… lol
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor could go jerk off for the next 6 months and he’d still have the best case as the #1 HW in the world…
Only if Brock wins his next 2-3 fights can Fedors HW rank then be questioned.
Fedor has the best case for being the best HW in the world. (and until Brock can clean out the division it’s hard for anyone to challenge that)
Fedor has the best case for being the best HW of all time (this will take a while if ever to overcome)
Fedor has the best case for being the best fighter in the world. (he’d be the favorite against any other fighter in the world in an open weight division)
Fedor has no case for being the best P4P fighter in the world. (least talented division and he’s not fighting the best competition… even during the pride days Big Nog fought and beat the better competition).
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with most of this
But again, this isn’t about what we the hardcores think. It’s what the casuals think. Do you think this all still holds true in the eyes of someone who is just now hearing about this Fedor guy?
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah your point is correct… in the casual eyes Fedor isnt even on the radar.
It’s like the hardcore music blog community… if you go there and start talking about how good chris daughtry is you’ll get spanked from here to china.
They worship these different fringe rock groups (who are really good if you get into them) but make no impact on the charts.
People in “MMA Land” live in the same type of parallel universe and can’t fathom why things transpire the way they do.
by mmalogic on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
very even handed comment
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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it can make sense in a strange way.
Fedor has a great resume and I think it’s safe to say at this point Roger’s is a consensus top 10 fighter at this point. If Fedor beats Rogers its enough to keep him on top.
On the other hand, Roger’s signature win is a :22 second KO of Andrei Arlovski. It’s hard to learn a lot from a flash knockout like that. If Rogers gets completely dominated I think it hurts his status. If he puts on a good performance in defeat it could actually help his status.
by Andy R on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I am at least hoping for a good fight from Rogers. I just hope all this "I’m going to knock his head off " talk is just that, talk. I seriously hope they have a gameplan for this man…
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like Rogers only recently started training full time, without an amateur background in anything so yah I don’t think he’s as good as people say.
by IpullguardIRL on Nov 4, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's already the #1 undisputed heavyweight
the only question is whether he will REMAIN the #1.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify
All of this is a “in the eye of the casual fan” scenario.
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see this as getting better than the 1.9. Maybe I’m wrong but there has been poor advertisement, no big names, and Fedor hasn’t proven to be a draw.
Its going to go up against the Marketing juggernaut of the UFC and the show they are putting on. USC and Oklahoma both play in primetime games. Primetime NBA games, and primetime NHL games. All of those will take some viewers away.
by swells2048 on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are totally right about that, this will be a ratings disaster. Not because Fedor is not a good fighter, just because there has not been near enough promos.
As a sidenote, BROCKLESNAR will destroy the pudgy Russian.
by Douchebag Mcgillicuddy on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How marketable will Fedor be if he eats ice-cream?
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by Bandaka on Nov 4, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
They need to get Baskin Robins as a sponsor?? Mmmm… Chocolate Chip ice cream from BR… * drool *
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by funnytiger on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is his own Ben And Jerry's flavor
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by RoyalB on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by woomikee on Nov 4, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And how fast can CBS cancel that idea?
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by RoyalB on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Designer Fedor sweaters?
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by Bandaka on Nov 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think the whole argument is a little premature. Until SF puts on regularly scheduled PPVs and succeeds, or at least prevents the UFC from doing so, it doesn’t matter. Right now they are on two totally different models.
by BJJDenver on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor > Brock, Carwin, Velasquez, Mur, Kongo, Randy, Mirko, Nog.
Fact.
UFC hype machine has bloated Brock up to Fedors level. It’s ridonkulous.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Brock
mauling and abusing other fighters with raw power and aggression not seen from a HW is what has caused his #2 ranking. Not the UFC hype machine. If the hype machine bs was true, why isnt Spider drawing 750k per PPV?
by Riney on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock already had a huge wrestling fan base and name recognition… which drew a lot of cross-over fans, nobody is taking that into consideration. The UFC has just piled on to that… which was smart.
Old argument but there should be a super-heavyweight division… not sure beating Mir and Randy is conclusive of anything… Carwin will be his biggest test.
by bleve_ on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will the prays of MMA fans everywhere be answered?
by seeing Fedor get KO’d and M-1 disappear forever!
by Razzel on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see Fedor fighting top 3 guys consistently. You could make the argument he hasn’t even fought one top 3 guy in the last five years, and the only way it happens in the near future is if M-1 goes away.
by Razzel on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could make all sorts of arguments. They’d be wrong, but you could make them.
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