Jon "War Machine" Koppenhaver Goes Berserk at Porn Industry Party
by Nick Thomas on Nov 29, 2009 6:26 PM EST
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According to adultfyi.com:
..."This looked like something out of a bad Vince McMahon script as this guy War Machine went nuts and began taking everyone on at this party," The Vizier says. "We're talking multiple assaults and battery with the cops after him."
"War Machine’s own agent, Derek Hay, looked to be the primary target with a couple of shots to the head. Mika Tan’s Ex was KO’d as well & sent to hospital."
"I never saw anything like it," continued The Vizier. "War Machine was in kill mode. His fists were lethal weapons. Anyone who tried to get between him and Derek got taken down – hard."
War Machine responds on Twitter:
Update from TerezOwens:
Update: I have in fact spoken to War Machine's Girlfriend Alanah Rae, who confirms that the former MMA star hit her across the face last night at Brook Haven's Birthday Party..She claims he then went on to pummel almost a dozen dudes including his own porn agent Derek Hay..who still remains in the hospital recovering...more to come. -TO
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War Machine Goes Berserk At Porn Industry Party
“War Machine’s own agent, Derek Hay, looked to be the primary target with a couple of shots to the head
let the gay jokes ensue
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
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by Silverobot on Nov 30, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i bet the underside of her boobs fold in and the surgery looks horrible. ugh, i hate when boobies look like a plastic grocery bag full of water
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t he be happy to go to prison? Wouldn’t that a mark of pride for his perverse version of masculinity?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Nov 29, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions
No.. No.. No.. You got it all wrong... You meant..
Shouldn’t he be locked in a room with Junie Browning and see who makes it out alive ??
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Good lord. Put him in a mental facility for an extended stay and be done with it. The man needs help badly, and just as badly needs to be separated from the rest of society.
by gzl5000 on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
As a professional fighter, isn’t there some unspoken agreement that you don’t fight regular people (regardless if they know who you are, or not)?
Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.
clearly Jon isn't
abiding by any code of conduct professional or otherwise.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 29, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Some states have a law stating that a prize fighter’s hands are considered “deadly weapons” and if a prize fighter is charged with assault he/she can be charged with “assault with a deadly weapon” which carries stiffer punishment vs assault and battery.
I know thats true for boxers, cage fighters too? What about Cain? Can you get “assault with soft pillows”?
by ryanwk628 on Nov 29, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice move... You just scared Princess Leah look alikes everywhere.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 29, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the one on the left with the tramp stamp from the 80s must be their chaperone
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
INCORRECT......
I got this off of stupidquestion.com (hey, I didn’t name it)
Q: Is it true that boxers and martial artists have their hands registered as deadly weapons?
A: No. The only thing close is an outfit called the International Lethal Defense Combat Organization, which for a $25 membership fee will send you a "document which testifies that your hands are registered" with them.
It’s unknown who started the hand-registration myth, but it’s still current among sportswriters and martial artists.
No only is there no hand registration; there’s no law that specifically classifies any body part as a deadly weapon, or that places professional or trained fighters under any special restrictions. However, fists—anybody’s fists—are sometimes classed as deadly weapons, and the whole concept is a legal gray area.
The distinction is important because use of a deadly weapon upgrades an assault or battery to a more serious crime.
Recently, the fists-as-weapons concept has begun appearing in criminal cases involving boxers. This concept was absent from such cases as late as the 1950s, when Sonny Liston was getting into street brawls. But when former World Boxing Association heavyweight champ Michael Dokes was charged with beating his wife in 1998, his attorney was careful to note that he didn’t used closed fists, fearing they’d be classified as deadly weapons.
In 1999, North American Boxing Federation super-middleweight champ Scott Pemberton was charged with "assault and battery with a dangerous weapon" for punching a man, but this was later reduced to simple assault and battery.
Legal definitions of "deadly weapons" vary state to state, but are generally very broad and can include just about anything, depending on use. Automobiles, heavy boots and toilet-plunger handles have all been deemed deadly weapons. (Note that you don’t have to register toilet plungers.)
Ohio’s definition is "any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specifically adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon."
This would seem to cover the human hand. Indeed, in a landmark 1960 case, it was ruled that hands could be considered deadly weapons. But in fact, legal interpretation is unclear.
In recent years appellate courts have issued contradictory rulings on the subject. A 1999 ruling said "there is no question" that fists can be deadly weapons; a 2000 ruling affirmed a lower court’s jury instruction that fists can’t be considered deadly weapons. And a 1996 ruling said that "while human fists may not be deadly weapons per se," it was reasonable to consider them as such in a specific beating case (incidentally, one involving a former boxer).
For comparison, in 1992 a Florida court shot down fists-as-weapons, saying it was an unconstitutionally overbroad reading that would make every assault/battery case a deadly-weapon one. However, it specifically left open the question of whether a trained fighter’s hands and feet could be deemed weapons.
In any case, few (if any) people convicted of a deadly weapon assault with their hands are trained fighters.
link?
I’m pretty sure this is an urban myth. Would love to see proof otherwise though.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 30, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Wow between this guy and Junie
you can bet mma is getting a good rep right about now.
Serious question is there a way to ban certain guys from fighting ever again because that looks like the best option in some cases.
Funny but true story
I can rememeber people complaining when the UFC cut him.
by bigdmmafan on Nov 29, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
rec'd for truth
I was actually somewhat against the UFC cutting him.
Clearly they knew better than I.
no kidding....
they obvi knew more than we did, too.
This is truly terrible news
I have laughed at pretty much every War Machine story I’ve read up to this point, but I can’t bring myself to laugh at this.
by hlebtasic on Nov 29, 2009 6:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If this guy goes to a real prison he’ll be killed.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
no, he wont. he will take to it like a fish to water. normal, fearful people are the ones who get f’d up in prison.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
nah man.
If he goes into jail actin like this he’ll be in some shit immediately.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
thats the point. get in shit. end it viciously. gain a reputation. cruise safely.
normal people avoid conflict and wind up getting punked and busted out.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
thats the point. get in shit. end it viciously. gain a reputation. cruise safely.
wow that’s a super-simplistic Hollywood view of prison
“take out the toughest guy you see and then nobody will fuck with you ever again!”
That’s B.S. He goes in there friendless, with no backup, no connections and messes with the wrong people he will be gang-raped and shanked. Beating some guy’s ass isn’t going to provide him safety. Numbers, and keeping a low profile provide safety. If you can even call it that.
by Grappo on Nov 29, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no that’s a personally-know-several-case-workers-in-Indiana-State-Penitentiary-and-hear-all-the-dirty-stories view. Prison is really that f’d up and somebody IS going to test you.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
What if you go super-Christian?
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
Just watch some “Caged Wisdom” tapes and you’re good to go
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for A.D. ref!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Nov 30, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
^ This
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
He’s Latino right? His former name doesn’t should Latino but he looks like he’s from that decent. If so I doubt he will be alone for very long. I am sure someone will challenge him after finding out he’s fought in the UFC. After WM pummels them I predict he’ll be sought after as muscle for the Latino gang(s). Sounds pretty prejudice but political correctness is left outside the prison walls.
He looks German to me. He’s got a Euro last name. Any big Euro gangs in California prisons these days?
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
These guys?
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by Ozzz on Nov 30, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Either that, or he’ll recklessly piss off the wrong people.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Nov 29, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll get the solitary wing named after him.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
Unless he aligns himself with the right people he will be taken out quick with his attitude.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
when inmates find out hes a professional fighter they’re gonna wanna test him. WM will probably get pc’d up
there is no way this guy goes into the normal population and judging by the mounds of evidence I wouldn’t be surprised if he cops some kind of insanity plea
I’m pretty sure the insanity plea can only be used if the offender didn’t know what he was doing was wrong. This is why people like Jeffrey Dahmer weren’t found insane, because they knew it was wrong but did it anyway.
Same would go for WM.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
As I understand it
if a defender can prove that at the time of the incident the defendant was unable to tell right from wrong, then an insanity plea can be used. He seems to have lapses in his memory and judgment be it due to alcohol, bipolar I, or MPSD. I don’t know the guy or his specific issues, but it looks like a case that could be made. Then again, I’m also totally not a lawyer.
Yeah
We speculate but it’s better for us to leave the lawyering to the lawyers lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
the fact that he’s hiding or tried to hide after his actions pretty much destroys his chance for a legit shot at being found insane.
And, I don’t know what they’re paying for guys to act in straight pron these days but I’m guessing he’s not gonna be able to bring back Cochran with his limited bank-roll.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
I would be even the worst public defender in the dumbest county of the dumbest state could see this guy’s has a good case for an insanity plea
Antisocial behaviour and a rough upbringing is not enough reason for an insanity plea.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
by Ubernoober on Nov 29, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s very difficult to get a successful insanity plea, and if it works, it would commit him. He wouldn’t get out the hospital without legal approval.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Nov 29, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think its pretty tough...
I know after Reagan’s would-be assassin got off (sort of) on an insanity plea, they really tightened it up, and some states got rid of it. Percentage wise, it’s a long shot. Better to just plead mitigating circumstances or something and hope you get off with lengthy probation (which, as War Machine, you’ll probably break)
Man, I hope they catch him before he harmshimself orsomeone else.
fixed.
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Nov 29, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just put him and Junie in a shipping container.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
good catch
I mess up quotes too tho, so cut em some slack. This was a great reference on Family Guy not too long ago
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, it wasn’t a critique. It’s the way the government guy says it the second time. It must be all caps.
TOP. MEN.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
at the beginning does he say important people? i just remember TOP. MEN., but maybe that’s cuz it’s so emphatic
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t remember, which is as good an excuse as any to watch the movie again. I’ll get back to you in about two hours!!!
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Couldnt have happened to a more appropriate industry. Hope someone had a camera rolling.
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Benicio, are you one of those people born in the "Gee Wiz" era (1950s) where XXX are just 3 letters together?
lol.
I’m kidding though, but I echo spectaa : Don’t hate on P0rn, man.
Not too long ago, I didn’t know whether to feel bad for him or to be mad at him. Now, I’m neither…I just hope this guy gets serious help, obviously has some deep-seeded issues that need to be resolved before he can function in society. He definitely deserves to go to jail, but I’m sure it will only make things worse. I really hope he can get the help he needs and accepts it, because I believe that deep down he is a good guy. He just does not know how to cope with his problems in the right manner. Until he gets things sorted out, I hope that no promoter will book him and no gym will let him train. Fighters of his level are too dangerous to do the things he does.
Welcome to the Machida Error.
by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 29, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions
i think he's beyond that personally.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
“when they find me”
carrying around and using a mobile device is like activating a homing beacon for the police.
LOL
exactly..
let him continue Tweeting away.. He’ll be hold up in some run down empty building, tweeting his little heart out.. Thinking he’s “safe” from the po-po’s.. then BAM !!!!
They’ll snatch his ass up and beat him with a dozen phone books to hide the bruises..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Trailer Park Boys FTW
War Machine’s last tweet:
fukin i’m hooled up in this old whareouse try and find me here cops!
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
by Ubernoober on Nov 29, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What the hell was his agent thinking, working with a guy like that?
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
There is, but sadly it’s all just naked women.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
by Ubernoober on Nov 29, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sadly?
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WarMachine leaves carinage everywhere he goes, he even got the Editor of Sherdog fired.....
LOL When Brian (something or other) the new Editor of Sherdog after Gross left picked Warmachine vs Yoshida, Breen called him out big time on it and ripped him the entire radio show. It was hilarious. Another War Machine causality.
Got exposed as having very little MMA knowledge.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
The silver lining is that he immediatley got hired on as a judge in California.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
If War Machine is looking for another job..
..now that fighting and porn are epic faildom, he could do worse than the CSAC.
It’s clearly the next step down the ladder.
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"...haha" "...lol!"
WM needs to get his shit together and stop acting like a child. He seems to be bipolar. He should get checked out by a psychiatrist.
He’s definately going to jail. He was on probation from the last fight he got in and had a suspended jail term. Such a sad story, sometimes people cannot harness the devil in themselves and overcome mental disorders, i liked this guy on TUF he just seems shaped by a rough life and can’t balance the newfound celebrity with his anger issues.
Mr. Machine
Look people.. lets not get down on the dude just because he had a bad day.
Leave that to the pros.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Nov 29, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
He watched Boogie Nights two weeks ago.
Close enough?
by pdl on Nov 29, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love how I got flamed for being alarmed at his constant homo/suicidal threats. Dude’s on his way ti a bad. End. He thrives on the attention and he is a loose canon. I can’t help but wonder if we have another Justin Levens on our hands. I can see him working himself up to a point where he does something incredibly dumb, then is overcome by intense remorse and offs himself. Or doesn’t. Either way, prognosis is grim.
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I guess this is his reason for doing it:
Ya’ll can say what you want but when you got 5 guys drunk and in your face pissed about some BS that ain’t even true what am I supposed to do? Wait and let someone craxk me first? lol..I think not. Fuck all you fucks.
Yeah...
from what I’ve been told those 5 drunk guys got in his face after he slapped around his woman
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 29, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Pre-emptive retaliatory strike?
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
Not that were supposed to talk about this here,
But it kinda reminds me of the Iraq situation. Haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 29, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to mention that War Machine was in charge of US foreign policy from 2003-2005 but I didn’t want to heve my clever witticisms deleted.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
by Ubernoober on Nov 29, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Warmachine’s tweets are a prosecutors dream and a lawyers nightmare.
by Dropkick434 on Nov 29, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
This just gets juicier and juicier.
If a pregnant woman somehow gets involved Rampage has just lost another title.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
George Bluth.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Nov 30, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“Dad, you never even threw the ball around with me”
“Great. Suddenly you’re an athlete.”
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Jay Walter Weatherman: “That’s why you always leave a note.”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
"You're worthless and weak!"
“What are you gonna do with your life?”
WM: “I wanna rock.”
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I can say from dealing with crazy people myself….
Man, they’re tough to help. On the one hand they need help so badly, on the other hand, they’re so fucked up that they’re often the most horrible, psychotic person you know.
I hope they put him on Lithium or something, and they settle him down a bit.
http://www.examiner.com/x-29414-Tampa-Martial-Arts-Examiner~y2009m11d29-MMA-fighter-War-Machine-goes-into-fight-mode-at-porn-party-wanted-by-police-for-assault
theres a shady pic on there of ppl passed out or something after his rampage haha, what u complete nut job
links on the subject line don't work..
but thanks anyway. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 30, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
I just want to let everyone know that Warmachine did not hit me last night or any other night I don’t know how that rumor started but It is false. Thank you all for your concerns
So does this mean all the people at the party and Terez Owens – who says she told him otherwise – are all lying? Maybe they all were just passing around assumptions to figure out what was going on in the chaos? Maybe Terez just wants hits? This is nuts.
Awesome.
maybe she's trying to help War Machine's case
so that his sentence(or whatever you call that) would be less serious?
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
lets face it, not like she has a strong moral character.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
Having sex with people on camera for money is a pretty good hint.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Might I ask why?
I mean, getting paid to do something you love is some people’s idea of heaven. The only objection I’ve come across is people who object to sex in some way, which makes me curious why you would say that since you don’t seem to have that disposition.
Not at all, but by standard moral codes prostitution, sexual objectification, sex with multiple partners, sex outside of marriage, etc. are considered immoral.
Now while I’m sure you’ll come back with how morals are personal yadayadayada, I can say that I agree. There are people who think that pedophilia is moral – thus I use the standard moral codes rather than the billions of individual moral codes out there.
And for the record, I enjoy porn and hate pedophilia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
In its first, descriptive usage, morality means a code of conduct or a set of beliefs distinguishing between right and wrong behaviors. In its descriptive use, morals are arbitrarily and subjectively created by society, philosophy, religion, and/or individual conscience.
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In its second, normative and universal sense, morality refers to an ideal code of belief and conduct which would be preferred by the sane “moral” person, under specified conditions. In this “definitive” sense, claims are made such as “Killing is immoral.”
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In its third usage, morality is synonymous with ethics. Ethics is the systematic philosophical study of the moral domain.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Strength of morals
Is tied to having sex? Sex for interaction or as a substitute for emotional interaction? I can imagine the latter since it only acts as a surrogate for the real thing while obfuscating the real emotional expression/communication issues underneath?
Lack of self control?
Just curious.
enabling him?
Some “research” suggests she may be a sub. So maybe she’s feeling like she got out of line with her Dom, in her mind justifying whatever might have happened. Just thinking out loud here though.
Buuuut...
If we learned anything from the Junie Browning situation. If someone were to give him a call and book him to fight that would be a-ok
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 30, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions
It won't just be a-ok
it will be charity on the part of the promoter who’s obviously a sweetheart solely concerned with the needs of the fighters.
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Do you mean a-ok in the eyes of the law or morally as in the eyes of the “lord”? If the law and doctors let him fight, then so be it. He can deal with the “lord” on his own time.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 30, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I meant...
in the eyes of everyone in this comment thread who have called War Machine names, declared that they wish he would kill himself, etc…many of whom were also one standing up for Junie
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 30, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t understand my question. Why isn’t it “a-ok” for him to fight? Because he committed crimes or because it’s morally wrong to let him fight? If the latter, why is it morally wrong? Whose morals are we talking about? God’s?
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 30, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
it isn't a-ok for him to fight
because if these allegations are true he’s a violent felon. Being licensed to fight MMA is a privilege not a right and felons are definitely not people who should be licensed to fight.
Now if a guy has done his time and has been keeping his nose clean, that’s a different matter.
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Is he a felon if he's not convicted?
Plenty of felons have competed before. I’ve even heard of rapists actually convicted of rape outside the Court of the Interwebs kinda rapists being allowed to fight. Is there a rule in the unified rules that includes the subjective “should” you’re using there man?
I personally don’t want a guy like him even associated with MMA, but my personal tastes and sensitivities don’t mean a man can’t or “shouldn’t” earn a living. Unfortunately for people in criminal trouble the act of removing legitimate means of income rarely leads to an improved situation.
receiving a license to fight is a privilige
because it allows you to commit assault. Historically boxing commissions have been very reluctant to license people who are actively engaging in violent criminal behavior.
Obviously this has always been problematic given the nature of combat sports.
But I’d say as long as there are charges pending he shouldn’t be licensed.
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Srsly
Where’s the TMZ videos? The cellphone crappy quality 10 second videos?
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