Lyoto Machida, Future UFC Heavyweight Contender?
by Nick Thomas on Nov 28, 2009 4:40 PM EST
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Lyoto Machida hints about the move to Heavyweight when asked about the possibility of fighting Anderson Silva:
"We won’t fight because we’re friends. We hang out, go to dinner and do many things together. I want to defend the belt some times and after that, make a personal challenge to test my potential. But it’s a thought for the future. Who knows - will I be the heavyweight champion one day?"Or Rogerio Nogueira:
"Let’s fight other guys."Check out more answers and questions at fightersonlymagazine.co.uk.
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Considering he’s only been operating at %60 of his potential, he should be able to pull a horseshoe at least %35 bigger, and run at least %40 faster, thus catching Lyoto and then beating him in the ass.
What’s up with putting the % before the number?
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re the only one on here I’ve ever seen do it.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think machida is buying a bit into his own hype, good news for shogun.
by kanodogg on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Machida Tale:
Everyone hates him. Followed by…
Everyone loves him. Followed by…
Everyone thinks hes overrated. Followed by…
My prediction: Viscous K.O. of Shogun gets everyone back on his jock.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
by Day Man on Nov 28, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
*vicious
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Oh, i thought you meant similar to a sticky, slow-moving fluid.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Nov 28, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His elusivility is a function of his viscosity.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 28, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think with your dipstick, Jimmy!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 28, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ROFL @ this thread of comments and unintentionally hilarious typos.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Nov 28, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Because Shogun's chin is untested and/or a liability?
Lyoto has three KOs in his career. Shogun has only one loss by TKO, and that was a broken arm. Lyoto’s strikes never fazed him even once in their fight. Ballsy prediction, sir. Ballsy prediction.
Had floor seats to it.
And watched the broadcast the next day. Neither of them were ever in danger of getting knocked out or even TKOd. Machida had a pretty looking flurry that connected about three strikes, and Shogun landed two in return in that same exchange. Neither was close to getting finished at any time. Unless you can point to a round/time into it that I can reference for when Shogun was rocked…
Brock Vs Lyoto:
Please see Dan Severn Vs Anthony Macias
Keep firing Assholes!
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Dan Severn’s UFC debut against a TKD guy about 80lb lighter than him.
Keep firing Assholes!
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“Who knows – will I be the heavyweight champion one day?”
Uh, no. I love Machida but the guy barely even cuts to get to 205, even if he put on 30 pounds of muscle he’d be dwarfed by guys like Brock or Carwin.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 1:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he should actually put on muscle at 205, but he won’t. at least not until he loses once or twice
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
completely agree
and i like DayMan’s take, but I think it will be another close 5 round decision. I also think that Evans could give machida a very tough rematch.
Fedor is 230 lbs. first I would like to see those big guys dominate, than we can make statements that fighter X or Y is too small.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor is Fedor
Comparing humans to him isn’t fair.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 28, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Comparing anyone to Fedor is unfair. And while he has fought big guys before I don’t think he’s ever fought anyone as big and athletic as Carwin or Brock with the skills those guys have.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but would like to see Brock or Carwin fight couple of legitimate opponents, before I say how dominate they are.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
brock has fought herring, randy, and mir for complete dominations.
carwin knocked out a very game GG, who knocked out cro cop.
your argument is getting tired, living back before Brock crushed Mir
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who said anything about them being “dominate”? Doesn’t change the fact that I think Fedor would have a very tough time with someone like them.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Semmy Schilt 6’11" 3x K1 WGP Champion and Hong Man Choi 7’2", with a K1 win over Semmy, aren’t as big and athletic and not as equally skilled in the standup dept of the game? Sure Fedor has never fought a 300 lb elite wrestler but he’s fought guys as big and as skilled.
I am blinded by a sea of green.
comparing lesnar
so choi
is like comparing a midget to a child
sure, both small.. large heads, irritating as fuck
but both not the same
choi is slow, plodding, and isn’t as skilled as you make out
where as lesnar, sure i can dislike him sometimes, but take that bull charge he did on hearing after the famous straight, can you see choi doing that?
its not meant as ighter bashing, so apologies in advance, but choi cant even walk like a human being, let alone step back off a punch
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 28, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Choi is as athletic as Lesnar, sure.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but randy lost to chuck
and dan hardy has a mohawk too
hardy could take randy!
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 28, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Allow me to summarise:
Brock Lesnar is an impressive athlete with amazing strength and brutal wrestling ability.
Hong Man Choi recently got beaten by Ikuhisa Minowaman.
I hope this helps.
Yeah, Choi and Schilt aren’t impressive at all. Let’s see what Minowaman does to Choi in a K1 match. You completely missed the point.
I am blinded by a sea of green.
With due respect, I don’t think I missed the point. How much does it matter how well HMC does in K-1? He’s not particularly good (or at least doesn’t have a good record) in MMA, no matter how badly he’d destroy Minowaman in K-1. Brock Lesnar, on the other hand, is particularly good in MMA. Hence why he’s UFC champ.
That being said, I’d said 60-40 Fedor over Lesnar. But who knows. Fedor is impossible to deal with rationally….
But I agree. Lyoto lacks power even at 205.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
see evans, rashad and silva, thiago for proof that isnt true
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
shogun has never been knocked out, so i’m missing your point
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Neither was Rashad until Machida, so your point is more valid.
Saying Lyoto has no power is akin to people saying that Rashad has a glass jaw after the KO. Sanity challenged.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i think that you’re backing my side of the point correct? I just think that to say he lacks power when he knocked out two undefeated guys is ridiculous. He doesn’t have rampage power at 205, but most ppl in the world don’t.
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
yes, I'm agreeing with you
Lyoto has enough power to KO people that have never been KO before – to me, that’s good enough.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Lyoto doesn’t really have dazzling murderous power, he just hits the exact right spot to send you to the land of wind and ghosts.
Keep firing Assholes!
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Agreed
but it’s good enough that one can’t really say that he lacks power.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
If you compare him to similarly sized guys like Rampage, Hendo, The Silvas, Fedor etc… he doesn’t have a lot of power. Lyoto is a laser guided cruise missile that flies through a window while the other guys are B-52 carpet bombers.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
power doesn't come from size
it comes from body type, genetics, how you use your core, etc. lyoto has power, just not as much as rampage. I’d say a lot of silva’s power comes from his accuracy. Hendo just knows how to throw a good hook and overhand right, with a lot of “ass” behind it
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
yeah definately, he has ko’ed opponents in his past, unlike forrest, who truly has no power
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Take in consideration that Thiago has suspect chin. Mendes (who?) rocked him 2 times with shots that weren’t even clean.
Lyoto KO’ed Franklin with kick followed by punches, Thiago by flying fist and Rashad by couple of swinging punches:
For such a accurate puncher with “enough power to KO undefeated guys” his KO ratio is not impressive.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
just understand that when i don’t answer you from now on, its not because you’re correct. its because youre making ridiculous arguments with no point.
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Win.
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by Patrick Tenney on Nov 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fair assumption. Lets KO this conversation in the middle of the sentence. Maybe in a rematch I wont bump my gums so much so things wont end so drastically…
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
do you cock your arm back at the shoulder
when you fall?
and then THRUST IT forward?
I KNOW I DO
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 28, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
._.
you made mark kerr’s former self sad
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Nov 29, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he has no power. He commits power to be fast and “elusive”.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
"But I agree. Lyoto lacks power even at 205."
direct quote
by Austin Martin on Nov 28, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Language barrier, apparently. Anderson has power, Rampage has power. If Anderson will counter your kick … you can ask Irvin what happens.
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
But he was rocked couple of times in his career. Machida countered healthy chunk of Shoguns kicks, but no one even noticed it, guess why?
by dancingChicken on Nov 28, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever happened to the "Size doesn't matter" arguement?
Uh, no. I love Machida but the guy barely even cuts to get to 205, even if he put on 30 pounds of muscle he’d be dwarfed by guys like Brock or Carwin.
lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
oh I know
But all the Brocksicles at the time screamed like little girls whenever someone pointed out the size difference. I’ve been one of the people wanting a super heavyweight division (or split heavyweight into two) for a while. But they cry that it’s unfair to Brock to have to fight people his own size lol.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
For me...
it isn’t that it’s unfair…it’s that it would suck
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 28, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The idea of a SHW division is stupid because there aren’t enough good fighters to fill it, it has nothing to do with it being unfair to Brock or anyone else. You make up more stupid BS to support your own false claims than anyone else on here. And if that’s untrue show me an example of someone crying about Brock having to fight people his own size.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please don’t insult me.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
But it’s ok for you to lump all Brock fans together saying “they” all said this stupid BS that you can now find no proof for. Don’t try to act innocent, if you don’t wanna get called on your BS then quit spewing it.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take it more personally, part 2
While we’re on the subject, this is for you, self-proclaimed defender of the Lesnar Fans.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Im not gonna bother looking at it I’m done wasting my time with you tonight. Keep talking though maybe you can get someone to believe all this shit you’re making up.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds good
And keep pretending I made anything up. You know that when people started talking about splitting the division, the Brock-o-philes were crying hater and saying it was anti-Lesnar. Shit, during the Days of Subo everything was hater and anti-Lesnar.
That I can’t find it shows my suck at searches – and my zero desire to go back over the past year and a half of articles and read all the comments.
Now, all that being said, let’s pretend for a half second that you’re right, for fun. Good job! You proved what – that I can’t find something someone said? Well done, hell of a thing to pick a fight over.
And again, try not to personalize it so much. I haven’t attacked you personally, yet you keep making things personal. I made a comment about something Brock fans said (which I stand by) and you flipped out. bleh.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
agree BUT
right now not enough taltented guys to fill the upper half. Most of the guys at 235 to 245 (maybe 250 but any ways) will cut to get to the lower division, but yeah once they get enough guys who have to stay in the upper half that are not useless (bob sapp, HMC but to be fair i believe they cant make 265 but point being big means shallow talent pool)
I cannot remember anyone ever saying it would be unfair for Brock to fight people his own size. Could you do me a favor and show me even a single example of someone arguing that? I have heard plenty of people crying about how Brock’s size advantage was why he won the Heavyweight Championship though. Maybe he should be fighting murderous giants at SHW like Zuluzinho or Butterbean instead? Could you name me a single person who isn’t able to cut to 265 who would be in the HW Top 25 if there wasn’t that ceiling there?
The sole argument against splitting the HW division in two is the lack of talent depth, and there is a fraction of that talent at SHW. The UFC’s HW division is as deep as it’s ever been and they still have fewer people than any other division. Furthermore you think the rash of HW injuries is bad now? Try supporting two divisions with that.
“Could you do me a favor and show me even a single example of someone arguing that?”
No he can’t. I figured I’d answer for him cuz chances are u won’t hear from him again in this thread.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People absolutely were
I did a google search and couldn’t find any (including stuff I know I wrote), but some people were absolutely saying that, including one fellow who said (no joke) that dividing the weight class would be punishing Lesnar for being so good. I replied at the time ‘forcing him to fight people his own size is punishment?’ – I couldn’t even find that sentence in the bloody elbow google archives, and I know I wrote it. So either my google skills suck (possible), or the site packs stuff for space (possible, but a mod would know better). And no, I don’t mean that conspiratorially :)
In any case, the argument quickly became about the thin division, which I agree with, but my reference was to the beginnings of the discussion where people actually did think that dividing the weight class was just Lesnar Hatin’. But as I said, my google searches found nothing so take it for what it is.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Poor kid’s going to look like Dan Henderson now.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Nov 28, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
haha
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
god...what a moron this kid is in the picture....
surprised he didn’t suffer a broken neck. He doesn’t know jack sh*t about diving into the water. Just stick to the tried and true “Cannonball”, son.
Silly Machida, after Shogun whoops your ass, your gana have to move down a class, not up!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
I think Lyoto should worry about actually beating Shogun before any of this stuff.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
I do think Lyoto’ll win the 2nd fight. But he should definitely make some changes, and focus hard on Shogun’s game plan, which was more successful than anyone’s else’s against him. So it does make me worry a teensy bit when he’s talking about being HW champ rather than just fighting Rua…
Well, he can either defend the low kick next time or he can’t. His style would suggest that it will continue to be a problem. Of course, if he rocked Shogun w/one of those counters early in their first fight…no one would be worried about Shogun’s superior gameplan.
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by MyFistYourFace on Nov 28, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
He can't be Brock
But could he beat a guy like Mir who held the belt? Yes he could.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
He's doughy coming in at 204.
He should go to 85 if anything.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 28, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Actually
Looks to me like he’s just emphasizing how much he doesn’t want to face Silva, whereas with Rogerio they seem to simply prefer not to. This is way more worrisome:
"I think I was superior from round one to four, actually trying to finish the fight, and I slightly lost the fifth round."
"I think most of the people thought I won. Only the MMA forums insist on all of this controversy."
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