Erin Toughill: "Kim Couture Has No Business Fighting Nor Taking Spotlight From Women Who Deserve to Fight"
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 28, 2009 10:39 AM EST
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Kim was NEVER training MMA before she met Randy. Even if I married Randy (being at the "level" I am now) it would NEVER make me a world class Greco Roman wrestler lmfao thru marriage.
Kim has gone on record numerous times saying she "built" the Couture name/brand & it was nothing b4 her. Kim was interviewed post "sparring" with Wand Silva saying, "Silva had to turn it UP, when I turned it up" lol believing that she was actually making Wand spar HARD. She has said "it's really hard for Randy to pass my rubber guard" lol believing that her "guard" can keep the ICON away. Kim had lunch w some ladies from the XC gym b4 her fight. She had some lip augmentation done. Girls askd howd it affect her fight? Kim said, "It would not. I dont get hit in sparring OR when I fight. I have a 'black style' when it comes to boxing". That is word for word and it blew me away lol Kim has "improved everywhere" and has taken 3 weeks off from training in a year...yet lookd like she has been training for 3 weeks, total.
There are SO many women fighters that feel the same way...I just dont have an issue saying it. She has no business fighting nor taking spotlight from women who deserve to fight & cant seem to get a contract, like Roxy, Young, Tate...2 name a few.
--Erin Toughill (10-2-1 MMA, 8-2-1 Boxing), had some harsh words for fellow Strikeforce fighter, Kim Couture after seeing her poor performance against Kerry Vera last week. It probably also has a lot to do with Kim's salary being more than double of anyone's on the Challengers card.
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Ooh baby
telling it like it is. Toughill FTW
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA. Xtreme Couture FTMFW.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
Domestic violence FTL
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 28, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When a 4-0 fighter is scared of her..
I’d probably pee my pants if she was ever mad at me.
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You might want to check the thread on the UG.
The charges got dropped as soon as her ex was informed he would be charged with perjury if his statements did not check out. That TRO was nothing more than a money grab by a bitter former spouse.
ah ok
Did not know that, never heard that part before and the search didn’t turn it up.
My mistake and apologies to the lady.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
While I agree with her sentiments I wonder how many people would defend or attack her if she was directing her comments towards Kimbo?
by John Nash on Nov 28, 2009 2:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t know, lots of people hate on kimbo for his fame too… but to be fair, Kimbo doesn’t say the stuff Toughill quoted Kim off, seems like a really humble guy most of the time..
elite just used him, (and paid him handsomely of course).. but Kimbo shouldn’t be faulted for that.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 28, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a person I like Kimbo, and I won’t fault him for taking whatever he could get out of Elite, but almost all the same complaints that Toughill made could be said about Kimbo: he’s basically a poor fighter who get’s all the attention and paid a hell of a lot more than other fighter for nothing that has to do with his skills or accomplishments in the ring.
by John Nash on Nov 28, 2009 4:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In what world are you living in where Kimbo and Brock aren’t criticized?
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 28, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
All 4 of those people get criticized all the time, the difference here is that Kim really hasn’t shown anything at all yet. Brock’s got a world title, Kimbo’s game does have a lot of holes in it but he also has his strong points and Overeem gets his flack not for his performances but because of his magical inflating body. What at all has Kim Couture shown in the cage? Was that win over Lina Kvokov anything that was supposed to impress anyone? There are a lot of very good women’s MMA fighters out there that can’t get a contract at all, that makes this a very different situation from men’s MMA.
by who me on Nov 28, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that it is a bit over-exaggerated to compare Kimbo to Kim Couture
Here’s the thing with Kim Couture, besides us MMA fans who go on websites like this, who else REALLY knows who she is? Are people who don’t usually watch Strikeforce Challengers Series going to watch it because Kim Couture is on the card? I feel that people know who Randy Couture is, but I don’t believe that these same people know who Kim Couture is except for the MMA fans “in the know.”
The thing with Kimbo is that he authentically brought in ratings and is a proven ratings draw, but Kim Couture really hasn’t proven as a ratings draw. I understand trying to get fans through the Couture name, but I question if anyone really cares about Kim Couture even though her last name is Couture.
Yup I get that.
But in this specific situation, Erin was laughing at Kim’s statements.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 28, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a one woman man, but I might be able to settle down for Erin
by HighNoon on Nov 28, 2009 3:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
ever heard her voice?
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
If half of what Ms. Toughill (awesome name for a fighter, btw) is true, Kim really has her head in the clouds. Give her to Cyborg. She’ll set her back down to earth.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 28, 2009 4:24 AM EST reply actions
Ah, well. Book her against anyone who’s willing to engage. Kim’s only W was against someone who wasn’t.
Actually, I’m kinda interested in where did they find a ‘fighter’ like Kvokov?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 29, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
That the Couture-Vera fight?
Awesome defense,Kim.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I can see why she gave Wanderlei so much trouble. He must have had to try really hard not to hurt her.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Black style indeed. As in a style that gets you black eyes.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 29, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe she meant 'crack' style.
Somewhere, I bet Randy’s fists were clenched and his grin broad.
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It looks like she jus got cuaght with a flurry of wide punches, no shame in that.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
If you watched the fight
Vera landed the cleaner, more damaging strikes the entire time. Time and again Kerry was able to find a home for some brutal leg kicks and right hands, Kim literally had no answer for it.
If Kim wants to have a career in MMA, she’s gonna have to start from the ground up, no free passes.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 1, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Okay sorry for my stupid comments. but anyways….Couture has every right to fight, is Erin just jealous of her fame?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
So you are saying this is about who Kim married? Because that is where 100% of Kim’s “fame” came from. I can’t imagine she would be jealous of someone elses failed marriage just because the woman got to keep the man’s last name afterwards. I’ve got a feeling this is more about Kim running her mouth and making money at fighting when so many top women’s MMA fighters can’t even get regular fights.
One word comes to mind after reading stuff like this
Delusional, Kim Couture is delusional. Couture wasn’t a second rate hacker name, she did nothing but ride the coat tails of Randy. As for her out working Wandy, I had to wipe tears from my eyes I was laughing so hard.
For those of you who don’t know, Erin Toughillis a trainer at Xtreme Couture and is also married to Neil Melanson (Xtreme Couture Jitz Coach). She knows first hand about Kim Couture’s training and is probably tired of Kim Couture running her mouth. There aren’t many women fighters who have any name recognition outside Carano and Cyborg. I don’t blame Toughill for speaking up, as for Kimbo at least he street fought his way to fame rather than marrying an established fighter and using it to jump start her career as a fighter. Kim Couture needs to quit fighting and remain a behind the scenes bean counter at Tapout Gym or whatever gym/corporation she gets exiled to.
by BrothaDarkness on Nov 28, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, if that’s all true then it’s a good thing that she’s talking about it. Makes Kim come off like a phoney and totally undeserving. I don’t blame her for being annoyed at her. It would be like watching the coach’s son get the starting quarterback job when he’s not the best quarterback on the team. As far as the story about Wand and the sparring go though, it’s hard to believe that she could even be so delusional, but I’ve seen it before. It’s sad to say the least.
She should be directing some of her comments toward Strikeforce for booking the match-up though obviously, she won’t.
i bet Randy did spend a lot of time in Kim's rubber guard
… either that, or working into north-south position.
bwahaha
first reaction upon reading that.
by bobthewriter on Nov 28, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
:)
It’s almost like saying she’s got a great triangle choke.
It’s not tight, but no one is trying to get out of it
by Shaun32887 on Nov 28, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kim was interviewed post “sparring” with Wand Silva saying, “Silva had to turn it UP, when I turned it up” lol believing that she was actually making Wand spar HARD.
Sadly, I know girls that are this delusional. Never even occurs to them that the huge ex-title holder named “The Axe Murderer” might be going a little easy on them.
^This. Wandy isn’t stupid. He doesn’t just go around beating women into pulp, sparring or not. If he was sparring with Kim, there is no way no how he was going all out.
If he’d gone all out, Kim Couture wouldn’t look as good as she does today.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 28, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
i don't even know how she could be that delusional.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Being repeatedly mounted by Randy is good for your career.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
That’s not what Brandon Vera said.
by ufc4 on Nov 28, 2009 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Kim Couture may suck, but she’s not “taking the spotlight” away from better fighters. Sure, she gets more acclaim than she deserves. But honestly, she probably gives more spotlight to women fighters, just because of who she is. Kimbo may have gotten way, way more attention than he deserved, but he almost gave it to other fighters too…
I don’t agree w/comparing Kimbo to “Sugar-free”. Kimbo made a name for himself on his own, along w/his homeboys. Kim married into her name and is milking it for all its worth. Not that I blame her necessarily, but it is not the same thing as what Kimbo did. There is nothing about her that would make her relevant as a prominent fighter except her last name. Maybe that is true for Kimbo as well, but at least he got fame on his own.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Nov 28, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
We should just call Kim 'Kimbo'.
Save ourselves having to differentiate.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
I’m not really saying that what Kimbo and Couture have done is similar. I’m remarking on the ‘taking the spotlight" away bit. I’m not even say she’s ‘earned’ it in the way did. Kimbo did at least have three professional wins (although one lucky one), and you can’t fault the guy for making money from people who were willing to give it to him.
But looking at it, Kimbo was popular for reasons other than his fighting ability, which is somewhere south of James Thompson and Seth Petruzelli. I’m just saying he brought some of the spotlight with him, in his sense, and maybe Kim Couture is doing that too, albeit in a more limited way
What little spotlight she is bringing to women’s MMA is more than taken out by the number of experienced and talented women’s MMA fighters who can’t even get decent contracts or tv fights at all. I mean it’s not like watching a Kim Couture fight is going to make women’s MMA more popular or bring back repeat viewers.
As far as the Kimbo comparison, there isn’t one. Kimbo earned his name himself with his own actions, would anyone even notice if Kim was fighting if she had gone back to her maiden name after Randy divorced her? 100% of Kim’s D level of fame comes from the fact that she was married to Randy Couture for a couple of years and she is milking that to get these fights and these paydays. It may be different if she was actually impressive in these fights but she just isn’t.
What little spotlight she is bringing to women’s MMA is more than taken out by the number of experienced and talented women’s MMA fighters who can’t even get decent contracts or tv fights at all.
Right, but do you think that if Kim Couture suddenly disappears from the scene, it’s going to help these women get contracts and TV fights? My point is I don’t think she’s doing other women fighters any harm. more attention on her means indirectly more attention on other fighters. More people probably know who Kerry Vera is right now- why? Because she beat up Randy Couture’s ex-wife!
Well if people watch women’s MMA fights that are actually good then they may not walk away thinking women’s MMA is a joke and lets face it Kim’s fights just aren’t that good. The name value only gets people to tune in, if you don’t actually deliver a good fight then you are doing more harm than good by getting them to watch.
I agree with the theory, BUT
I don’t think it’s grounded in reality. Cyborg is a much better fighter, but more people would tune in for Carano’s next fight than Cyborgs. I’m not saying I agree with it, but it’s a truth.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Well Carano is also a very good fighter too, that is the point here. Kim just isn’t a very good fighter or impressive in her fights. Ideally you want someone who can draw eyes to the fights and also actually put on a good fight too, drawing eyeballs and then stinking up the place is counter-productive. Gina draws eyes and puts on good fights even if she isn’t as good of a fighter as Cyborg is.
True, but....
Would names like Modaferri, Tate or even Toughill draw viewers to women’s MMA? Probably not.
Women’s MMA needs Couture to market itself. The Carano model of an established name with a pretty face has proved to be the driver of the female sport. Couture is doing the same by using her name for the same purpose.
Not sure why you need to 'draw viewers to MMA'...
…to qualify for a fight on an MMA card.
Just let them fight and the viewers will come as stars establish themselves.
Nobody’s saying we can’t have bantamweight fights until a star can “draw people to MMA” so why do female fights need to?
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
When Kim said all this? Anybody has a link? But I will say her comments indirectly talking about Mark Coleman were out of line.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 28, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions
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