Will Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin III Be the Focus of TUF 11?
Following his split decision loss to Forrest Griffin at Saturday's UFC 106, Tito Ortiz made a number of statements that angered fans and fellow fighters. He felt Josh Koscheck vs. Anthony Johnson didn't deserve a "Fight of the Night" award, told fans that a "cracked" skull had hindered his training, and spouted off to media about being "robbed" by the judges. It was a typical Tito Ortiz loss. But one of the truly interesting pieces of information that came from both Ortiz and Griffin was when they were asked about a potential rubber match showdown within the structure of an eleventh season of The Ultimate Fighter.
Ortiz stated that it would be "awesome" and "break records" while Griffin said he'd do whatever Dana wants him to do. Dana White's comments didn't deny the possibility of Ortiz and Griffin's rubber match being a part of The Ultimate Fighter season eleven, and it seemed like White and company hadn't made their minds up as to who would coach the middleweights and light heavyweights that would make up the show.
The past rumors have all centered around Georges St. Pierre and Dan Hardy as potential coaches with Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell also looming in the shadows as a possibility. The real problem for the UFC is that the heavyweight, light heavyweight, and middleweight divisions are somewhat on hold currently with the lightweight title being fought for at UFC 107. It doesn't leave too many options for the UFC to put title bouts on their cards for the beginning of next year, so tying up Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy within the structure of the show would ensure the fight wouldn't take place till the summer of 2010.
That really only leaves Ortiz, Liddell, and Griffin in the mix with the possibility of new candidates coming forward. With two months left before taping, the UFC will need to decide fairly quickly.
I'm not a huge fan of The Ultimate Fighter by any means. This season has been particularly bad for viewing exciting action, and I've been a strong proponent of bringing in the WEC's talent to bolster not only the UFC's excitement factor on UFC Fight Night cards and pay-per-views but seasons of The Ultimate Fighter as well. I won't be getting that wish any time soon, but from a business standpoint -- Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin's rubber match, while stylistically uninteresting, should bring in some viewers due to their personalities.
Sure, it won't be multiple seasons of Ortiz talking massive trash to Ken Shamrock and curbstomping him into near retirement, but it should provide some added drama to a lineup of fighters that should be more exciting than the current season's talent. It is also a match-up that has no title implications, which takes it out of the picture as a fight that could have detrimental effects to the top of the division due to the lengthy period of time each fighter will be off.
I say go with Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin. Unless White wants to press Rogerio into a bout with either guy to increase his exposure for a run toward the top or potentially give either man a shot at the loser of Silva vs. Evans, Griffin and Ortiz don't have anything else going on right now. The division is deadlocked near the top until Machida vs. Rua takes place, and the show debuts in April 2010, while Machida vs. Rua takes place on May 1st, 2010. That should work out perfectly.
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this is stupid
has tuf really become just a way of hyping one fight for a million months?
can we please have a real talent search? a real serious contract to fight for? so I can see fighters that are actually talented work their asses off for a shot at the big time?
as far as I’m concerned there should be no more TUF with american fighters. go to the UK again, come to Canada, hit Holland… or do Europe in general.
I want to see the hungry fighters get a chance. Fighters that wouldn’t normally have access to the UFC… that way there will be real drama.
And while you’re at it, cut that crap to 30 minutes or give us two fights a show.
… sorry, had to rant.
by ruckus on Nov 25, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
TUF:
1) It’s a terrible show
2) A lot of people like, especially those who don’t care what’s going on at WVR at 3am
3) It get’s good ratings and helps market the UFC
4) It allows the UFC to build up future draws at a fraction of the payscale more accomplished fighters would demand.
5) It’s not going away
by nottheface on Nov 25, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont want it to go away
I love the concept.
Give guys with talent who a chance to train with the best and fight their way to the UFC.
We know… we KNOW that this has worked in the past. Just look at the WW division for gods sake.
by ruckus on Nov 25, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I like the idea of actually doing a talent search, the market is so saturated with organizations looking to break into the big time that the talent gets soaked up quickly. Bellator, Sengoku, DREAM, Strikeforce, even smaller promotions like Shine Fights are soaking up talent. It’d be a tough thing to do, but if they had the manpower to truly scout local and regional events around the world and hand pick guys, it’d be beneficial.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is the contract.
The best fighters want to fight in the UFC. Back when ten thousand a fight was a good deal TUF had some serious contenders.
These days who wants to be Keith Jardine fighting top 10 guys for nothing?
As with most things in life it’s all about incentives. I’m sure I’ve heard stories of certain fighters deciding not to go the TUF route because they think they can get a better contract by putting in the time in smaller shows.
by ruckus on Nov 25, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the contract is ultimately a problem. If you sign talent with two or three wins, but observe their fights live and their camps… i.e. a talent search with guys who know what to look for… you could sign those guys then and there to a stint on TUF easily. The contract would look great at that point considering they are fighting for scraps at 1-0, 2-0.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but isnt the TUF contract competing with fight camps who sign fighters themselves?
I remember reading that Rosholt is signed to a camp that manages him and pays him in exchange for a percentage of his earnings for a certain number of years.
I feel like being paid a living wage to train would be far more attractive than a tuf contract.
Didn’t brandon vera also say he turned down a stint on TUF cause he knew he could get a better deal?
by ruckus on Nov 25, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but there isn’t a huge conglomerate organization who is just buying up fighters and putting them on salary. Team Takedown only does a few fighters because that’s a huge investment.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
an all europe show would be awesome, and i bet there would be some of the hungriest people coming onto it. Some hardcore eastern europeans, some great dutch strikers, id be awesome. i agree with your whole post
by bluejitz on Nov 25, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem would be ratings
Spike wants ratings and an all Europe TUF, while it may be awesome, wouldn’t be appealing to the casuals that Spike wants (for example, “Will Kimbo be back?”)
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, you're probably right
I feel they could swing it though, if they worked an interesting angle.
European invasion into the UFC, mysterious foreigners, etc etc.
by ruckus on Nov 25, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's where the coaches come in
If they pick the right coaches, they could probably pull off a move like that.
by Hardcase on Nov 26, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would be great Griffin and Liddell as coaches. No titles held up, we get to see a fight we haven’t seen already and it gives Chuck one last chance to comeback.
by Stefan Manojlovic on Nov 25, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea. Chuck could win it.
by nottheface on Nov 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forrest would leg kick his way to victory.
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by Ubernoober on Nov 25, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before and Ill say it again: Get some new blood on there.
You know why its been so hard for the UFC to sell some of these PPV’s because they havent put the promotion behind the newer guys and keep trying to rehash guys like Ortiz, Liddell, Hughes, and Courture.
I would start giving guys like Alves, Maraurdt, Edgar, Maynard, Koscheck, Velazquez more expossure through TUF. But maybe that is just me.
by bigdmmafan on Nov 25, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I’m behind a Josh Koscheck as a coach season. You know he’d be a complete dick the entire show and become an epic heel to draw fans in.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You assume that, but I would have thought the same thing about Tito and he did a great job.
I think he is a jerk again now, but he definitely impressed as a coach.
by Razreshat on Nov 25, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I never said he would be a terrible coach. I meant he’d be a dick to his opponent, talk loads of trash, etc.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Koschek vs Ortiz at a trash talk catch weight
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and sign the contracts before the show, so we dont get another Rashad/Rampage deal.
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, actually… I’d watch that show.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kos could take Ortiz
probably dominate him too.
by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Tito’s not what he once was, injury excuses or not, and Kos just gets better.
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tito could never make wait. His head is 80 pounds for gods’ sake.
by nottheface on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“weight” not wait. I was friggin’ distracted.
by nottheface on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My $.02 on the subject at hand....
I would love to see the outcome of Penn/Sanchez and Florian/Guida before deciding the coaches. My favorite (should my pics win) would be coaches Deigo and Kenflo. For Sure! If BJ wins, although I really don’t want to see him coach AGAIN, I would still enjoy Kenflo vs BJ as coaches.
3rd choice would be not Tito!
by cosmosherry on Nov 25, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Diego vs. Kenflo as coaches isn’t a bad idea.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 25, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenflo thinks that would be great and I agree!
by cosmosherry on Nov 25, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP vs Anderson Silva
Is the only one I want to see
by MMA_Messiah on Nov 25, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome, tie up two titles at once!
by Razreshat on Nov 25, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TUF 11: Subtitles
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by Ubernoober on Nov 25, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KIMBO VERSUS KEN SHAMROCK as coaches!!!!
For gods sake let it happen. It would put TUF in new found territory. The amount of viewership it would get would be ridiculous!!!!
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by Bandaka on Nov 25, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Could Kimbo trash talk enough to be interesting tho?
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I could stand listening to him talk about the “enemy” for that long.
by ufc4 on Nov 25, 2009 4:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is the most even poll I seen in a while
Except for GSP vs Hardy, the other three are pretty evenly split (35, 103, 103, 93 at the moment).
I threw my vote behind “other people” because I have no desire to see Ortiz vs Griffin or Liddel.
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get that at all. Forrest is still a significant fighter, and its conceivable he one day gets a shot at the title again. Why have him fight a guy he just beat and waste a year that could be spent towards title contention? Give Ortiz Chuck Liddell or something
by TLow on Nov 25, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Plus their first fight was close, and Forrest clearly won this one, so rematch is unnecessary IMO. Maybe Tito could fight Bader next. I’d rather not have another Ortiz TUF. He’s been back less than a week and I’m already completely sick of him, though I realize he’s a draw. The dream choice for me would be Faber/Torres, but that ain’t happening, so I’d just as soon save TUF for older, out of contention guys. However, I’d have to agree with those suggesting Florian/Diego after Diego loses to BJ. That would be some entertaining television!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 25, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you TLow...
I think they should both be fighting different fighters instead of each other AGAIN!
I would like to see Griffin fight Keith Jardine(is he scheduled to fight anyone?), Rogerio, or heck even Luiz Cane before Ortiz!
And Ortiz vs Liddell could be good(for Chuck!) for a TUF season.
OR
Get Franklin to fight Tito.
Thoughts?
by Lunchbox15 on Nov 25, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz Vs Mirror
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by Ubernoober on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about some real coaches.
I think they should get rid of the fighters as coaches and have some of the real trainers and coaches that work behind the scenes run 2 teams. Someone like Duke Rufus or any of the other people that coach and train fighters to victory. Almost every year I feel bad for the fighters that get on a team like Rampages or Shamrock who have no clue on how to coach. Lets put some real trainers in there and see what kind of product comes out.
by The_Vig on Nov 25, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coaches for TUF 11
I would love to see Hardy and Koscheck coach, but there are too many issues preventing that from happening.
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by Brett Jones on Nov 25, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
These two would be epic for the whole season, and a guarenteed exciting fight after.
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by mythbuster on Nov 25, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t realize until I went back and watch Koscheck’s post-fight promo again, but he actually suggested that he fight Hardy in February.
I understand that you can’t realistically make that match and expect the winner to be ready to fight Georges St. Pierre in March (although Kos would try), but I am all for it. I will feel robbed if I don’t get to see those two fight with something on the line.
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by Brett Jones on Nov 25, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin shouldn't have to rematch a non contender who he clearly beat.
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by J. B. Maddox on Nov 25, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar & Shane Carwin to host TUF 11
Brock can still be on TV while recovering / begin training and the animosity between the two should be enough to keep the masses entertained.
Not sure if they will have the same niggling relationship Rashad and Rampage had but would be interesting to see the big men with big tempers (well at least one with a big temper).
by S J on Nov 25, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of the choices presented, I’d rather see Forrest and Tito w/ a build up to Griffin/Ortiz III rather than any of the others. I don’t see the point of Chuck/Tito III, and don’t think Hardy/GSP should be held up just to make a TUF out of it.
by Hardcase on Nov 26, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mark my words, if GSP/Hardy are on TUF, one of those guys is going to get injured a la Serra/Hughes, and royally screw us out of seeing GSP fight within a year of his last fight, and hold up the belt. If the UFC hasn’t overcome it’s current bout of bad Karma, this is a near guarantee.
by Dooda on Nov 26, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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![Tito Ortiz says he had bills to be paid and Chuck Liddell was an alcoholic:
"I have no more back problems, but other things started coming about," Ortiz said. "The first week of training (for UFC 106), I got bounced on my head. I had C6 and C7 discs pressing on my spinal cord. I shouldn't have fought. But when you take 18 months off and bills have to be paid? I'll suck it up."
"Two weeks before the fight, I was wrestling with one of my partners, and we collided heads. I fractured my orbital bone. I don't remember the weigh-ins. I don't remember the fight. All I remember was the beginning of the third round."
... "I think [Liddell] had a problem," Ortiz said. "A lot of people go through addiction. I think his deal was he was an alcoholic. He loved to party." "He's been sober since November, and he looks like a different person. It's awesome. I'm proud of him – really proud of him."
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