Set your calenders for May 1st - which is currently the same day as UFC 113: Shogun vs. Machida in Montreal.
Pacquiao vs Mayweather in negotiations for May 2010:
"Bob Arum and Richard Schaefer, promoters respectively of Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr, are under way with negotiations to seal the superfight between boxing's pound-for-pound kings. With May 1 2010 the projected date of the contest, most likely in Las Vegas. Judging by the history of such affairs, it will take weeks to iron out."
HT: telegraph.co.uk
about 2 years ago
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Same day as UFC 113: Shogun vs. Machida in Montreal.
I heard something about that match not happening the day and place everyone thinks it was going to happen. This boxing talk may be the reason.
I am not a boxing fan
But I will DEFINITELY watch this fight! Anyone have any insight on how likely this fight will be?
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by funnytiger on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
noooo
it’s far from a lock.
I’d say right now it’s probably 60/40 in favor of the fight happening.
The purse split is going to be a major issue
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Which is stupid, because it boils down to a few millionaires arguing over how many tens of millions of dollars each of them will make.
I mean, I understand the basis for the argument, but when everyone’s getting paid that much money, it’s kind of silly.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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Right...
but it becomes a bit of a “respect” thing.
But…whatever…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s going to have to end up 50/50.
And was anybody as surprised by the Ward-Kessler bout as I was?
Ward looked great.
No way it ends up 50/50. But close. think 52/48
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
In favor of whom? There’s an argument to be made for each as the top draw.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Well they either generate tons of cash or zero. They either break records or there is no show. This, if it is even close to going the distance, will be a series of record setting PPVs. Its basically the top fight without question. No reason to not make it. Arguing about respect will just be posturing. This deal will get done
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Ward v Kessler
was just ownership from the opening bell, I thought that Kessler was going to win a close bout yet Ward just dominated.. Yes the head butts did happen and the cuts were crazy nasty but for Kessler to blame his loss just on the head butts is well, sad… He never fought on the inside and from distance he just threw that crazy left that had no chance of landing, it was Ward’s night plain and simple, he won in impressive fashion, I don’t like seeing fights end due to cuts and going to a technical decision but hey what are ya going to do…
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Ward was my pick to win the super 6 and its looking pretty smart right now, but I have never seen these dudes fight so its very lucky to pick a guy that looked so good. I mean I have likely seen them fight, but I didn’t pay close enough attention to remember or be able to pick winners.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Not really…
the split and haggling over points is meaningless when we’re talking potentially 50m plus for this deal (counting sequel).
This fight will happen because financially it doesn’t make sense for it not to.
Taking another fight and getting a 60-40 split is still alot less money than going 50-50 with the pacman.
The only guy who can fuck this up is arum and he doesnt have any other fighters left to milk manny with so the likelihood of this fight happening is high.
I agree with you on everything, except the winner of the fight in question.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Maybe, I know very little about boxing. I do know that a judge thought DLH beat Floyd. You can say Floyd doesn’t get hit, but Pac gives more then he gets and if Floyd pulls punches protect his hand it could get interesting. Pac will push the pace, its a risk, but its how he can win. I believe in Roach.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Mayweather would take less money to fight a “lesser fighter” to avoid the L on his record. He’s been doing it for years. Arum isn’t going to be the person that fucks this up if it doesn’t go down…PBF is.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
You think PBF is gonna leave more than 10’s of millions to fight Mosley? you think the difference of the risk in getting an L is that great?
To PBF, absolutely. His legacy is more important to him. You notice that he’s ducked other major challenger, including Mosley?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
And, as for you assertion that PBF doesn’t get hit, DLH hit him enough to win 4-5 rounds, and Manny’s a whole lot faster than DLH. I think you’re going to lose a loooot of money if this fight does happen. Which I doubt it will.
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i don't know if Mosley is a lesser opponent, personally....
I think Mayweather beats Pacman tho.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
a lock to happen?
You haven’t followed boxing for very long eh?
It's really good that golden boy is the one doing the negotiations..
if it was Mayweather promotions, it won’t go anywhere..
Manny...
please knock this suckers head off. Thank you.
by HappyLittleTreez on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Zuffa would be smart to stack 113 with a lesnar fight.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Zuffa would be smarter if they moved it.
by John Nash on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Hubris IS a dangerous business model....
This ain’t the fight to go head-to-head with. No way, no how.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
FMM v MP is a fight that has been talked about for 3 years now. Each of their last fights did over 1 million buys. Combined, this is expected to be the biggest ppv ever. 2 Million is a very reasonable guess. Zuffa would get crushed no mater what card they put against it.
I’ve never bought a boxing PPV and I’d get this one. There should be absolutely no MMA the same day as this fight.
by woomikee on Nov 24, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah even if they put lesnar on that card it would be lesnar vs … and on the boxing card its MANNY vs FLOYD, wouldnt be smart, i’m not a fan of boxing, but that fight, hell yeah
and before… people thought Lesnar could be beat. A lot of fans were thinking Mir was the guy to take him. Now people will tune in to see how bad Lesnar will beat up who ever he fights. Unless its Lesnar v Fedor, with Kimbo/Chuck, Faber/Aldo and a GSP/Sexyama ky jelly match on the undercard… MMA cant compete.
by ryanwk628 on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Montreal show will not be the same night as this fight. Zuffa’s not going head to head with this historic fight.
as for the fight:
Floyd is gonna fuck him up. Manny gets hit – Floyd doesn’t. End of discussion.
Manny just walked through everything Cotto threw at him for eleven rounds and change. Is Floyd really that harder a hitter than Cotto?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 24, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
When he’s not protecting his hand floyd can hurt you if he wants to.
The bottom line is Floyd will land more than Manny. Floyd has never been knocked out – Manny has.
I dont see how Manny can knock floyd out… forget about winning on points.
agreed...
I see it as being a domination by Mayweather honestly… He never gets hit, and moves well… Cotto had openings in the beginning of the fight, had he attacked Manny on the ropes… I think Mayweather will capitalize on Manny’s mistakes throughout… Manny is a much improved boxer, but still wins on being a good puncher… Floyd is too slick for him.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Aggghhhh!!!
Why do they have to do this!
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
As logic said...
no way the UFC doesn’t move their show. You can go head to head with floyd, or with manny (although it’s a good idea not to) but you don’t go head to head with floyd v. manny
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
And Mayweather will no doubt take full credit if/when the UFC does reschedule their show.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
So?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sooo… I love to hate on Mayweather and his big mouth?
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Nov 24, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
GUESS WHAT! GUESS WHAT! GUESS WHAT! I AM THE GREATEST EVER! NO ONE HAS EVER BEAT ME! I MADE UFC MOVE THEIR EVENT! GUESS WHAT!
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 24, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, no more of this MMA vs Boxing bs. They would only be hurting themselves by having these 2 events on the same day. I’m sure many fans would buy both PPVs if they were scheduled on different days. I have never bought a boxing PPV but would buy Pacquiao / Mayweather. I would love to see Manny beat up Floyd. Floyd’s mistique is his undefeated record of fighting guys he knew he could beat and never really challenging himself. Manny almost has as many KOs as Floyd has fights and against great competition.
In the end, all your friends and family let you down and you die in your own arms, so who cares?
Mayweather v. Pacquiao
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Did you have a point or did firefox strip out whatever you posted?
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go with Safari 4
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I roll with Chrome at the office and Safari 4 at home, for those of you who are deeply concerned about such things!
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Firefox because its what my network admin supports. He pushes updates and plugins so I don’t have to be concerned with such things.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Firefox has the best plugins, I just can’t use any other browser anymore.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
Firefox is incredibly slow to load for me.
I would use Chrome at home if it were available.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
You are using a mac from the 1920’s. Get a cheap and new PC.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Yes, this is my computer.
It’s a bitch finding floppy disks anymore.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Stop playing Oregon trail and write more articles.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I did too. When I got my new phone, I saw that Oregon Trail was available.
Long story short, a piece of my childhood is now dead.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Mayweather v. Pacquiao - Take Two
I haven’t purchased a boxing PPV since Roy Jones Jr. beat John Ruiz.
I will purchase Mayweather v. Pacquiao.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Difference without distinction. Whichever you prefer, I’ll be one of the millions of people paying to watch the fight.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Didn’t Roach say Pacquiao wants the 60 part of the 60/40 split? I get his argument if the split was based on fighting skill but Mayweather has to be the bigger draw here.
posturing. 60 is where each guy will start, but mark my words, this deal gets done. This is the fight, the reason posturing in other fights is so you can take a strong hand into this fight. They won’t leave all the money on the table because of a minor split issue. Floyd is the draw and will get more, but there will be enough money after this fight for there grandchildren to retire.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
you get it based off of fighting skill?
really?
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
yes....
This Pacquiao (as opposed to the one with losses) is looking like a world beater. Mayweather had a very long layoff and came back to beat a guy much much smaller than him. Maybe I could’ve worded it as recent schedule and finishes? I’m not saying I think Pacquiao will win but there’s no reason to think that Mayweather is that much better than him either. My statement was that if we based the purse split on strength of competition, recent wins, etc. it would be more of a 50/50 but that’s not how it works so, as a draw, I thought Pacquiao’s posturing was weird.
I think Dana is a big enough boxing fan that he would reschedule a UFC event just so he can watch this undisturbed.
Keep firing Assholes!
In Idaho, it's illegal to f--- a porcupine. You know why? Because someone tried it.
Dana's
Big ego would make him go head to head with boxing, and claiming that it has two different audiences. The smart thing would definetely be moving the date, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
Nah...
I agree with uber… I think Dana would rather watch a GREAT boxing match than lose money any day
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
so who wins?
one of the online sportsbooks i have has the line out:
Manny Pacquiao +115 vs. Mayweather -145
I went pretty heavy on Manny, thinking that Manny will not have +odds for long. Anybody think Mayweather has a good shot of winning this? Not to talk too much boxing on an MMA website, but since we are here…..
Im going heavy on money may… he’s a pussy but he’s the best boxer ever.
It’s a simple break down: Manny gets hit and Floyd doesn’t.
People will say Manny has more power… nope or at least its not enough to make a difference. Floyd doesnt hit hard because he doesnt want to break his hand – but if he wants to hurt you he will. He’s a deadly puncher if he wants to be.
Other people say Manny has speed… 115lbers cant even hit Floyd in the gym.
Im maxing out a bunch of accounts on floyd and if I can make it to vegas Ill put more.
Manny sure as hell hurt Hatton and De La Hoya more than the Pretty Boy did.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Actually Mayweather can be hit. Zab Judah proved that. If you saw that fight, Zab won the first 4 rounds and roughed up Floyd. Floyd is quick, but he’s not superhuman. His number one attribute is his amazing ability to read and time his opponents. The question will be can Manny get past Mayweather’s rolling shoulder with a 5" reach disadvantage? I’m going to rewatch a lot of Manny’s fights before I make that call.
No way will they schedule Manny/Pac against Shogun/Machida. Even if they can beat them.
They’ll just wait for another Euro card or fight night and set up shop there.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
Well, in a way this fight will be dictating the terms of what UFC is doing.
this fight ain’t nothin to fuck with
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 24, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah...
I’m not denying that. It’s just that if boxing was that confident in their product, they would put this match up against Rua/Machida. But history dictates otherwise.
Right now, their recent “face offs” look like a forward tackle smacking around a kid with downs syndrome and then celebrating with his friends about it.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
Pacquiao/Mayweather > Shogun/Machida 2
I can’t wait to hear what nonsense Dana White will say about this.
"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson
by poundnground on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what would be bigger?
So this is about as far as stretch as possible, but what would be a bigger:
Mayweather-Manny
Lesnar vs. Fedor
No way it happens, but per chance Dana wants to pull all the stops just to get this fight going. If both happen 5/1, which would get more buys? i would have to say Manny-Floyd would, and Dana would be dumb to have the biggest MMA fight go head to head like that, but could Lesnar-Fedor come close to those kind of numbers?
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