UFC 106 Fighter Payouts
by Luke Thomas on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM EST
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Forrest Griffin, $250,000 ($150,000 win bonus) def. Tito Ortiz, $250,000
Josk Koscheck, $106,000 ($53,000 win) def. Anthony Johnson, $17,000
Paulo Thiago, $16,000 ($8,000 win) def. Jacob Volkmann, $6,000
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, $100,000 ($30,000 win) def. Luiz Cane, $19,000
Amir Sadollah, $30,000 ($15,000 win) def. Phil Baroni, $25,000
Ben Saunders, $20,000 ($10,000 win) def. Marcus Davis, $27,000
Kendall Grove, $44,000 ($22,000 win) def. Jake Rosholt, $15,000
Brian Foster, $12,000 ($6,000 win) def. Brock Larson, $26,000
Caol Uno, $20,000 drew Fabricio Camoes, $10,000
George Sotiropoulos, $20,000 ($10,000 win) def. Jason Dent, $8,000
I'm still curious to see what kind of PPV buyrate the show does. The ticket sales were good, not great. With the cancellation of the Lesnar vs. Carwin fight, I wonder if the UFC had enough time or momentum to properly build heat for the contest. We shall see.
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My bet is no. With back to back free cards, and nothing really intriguing in this card (no titles, no intriguing match-ups comparatively) I wasn’t interested in it (except for watching on the net later). I typically pay for a card when I haven’t seen one in a month, this came after weekly excellent cards so I was already full.
But Griffin is more popular than people think
The last 3 cards he has been on have done very well – 86, 92, and 101 all drew good buyrates. Now some of that had to do with other fighters but still.
Wouldnt be surprised to see a buyrate between 400-500k.
Easy 300-400 buyrate. Ortiz and Forrest are huge names/draws especially to te casual fan.
by bigc4277 on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
300-400 is a disappointment, anything under 450 isn’t a good number for Forrest-Tito.
by ufc4 on Nov 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
read some obscure place that it was projected at 440k, possibly up to 480k.
no source to be found, it could be utter bullshit, but those are interesting numbers.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Easy to forget, but that would have been an awesome number a few years ago. Not, not so great, but I think the UFC will have to settle for some lesser shows doing around this if they are going to keep increasing frequency. I think this show will test the bottom end of PPV numbers since there biggest draw pulled out.
Who got the fight of the night, ko of the night and submission of the night honors and money?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions
Thanks
I don’t abt FOTN and Sub of the night… That fight was a clusterfuck and not in a good way
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Grove should have gotten Sub of the Night.
He is far less accomplished a BJJ guy pulling a triangle on a far more dangerous wrestler. Sotiropolus should have been able to pull a sub on Dent whenever he wanted and it still took a long time.
Lil Nog
is definitely making more than I thought he would, consideing UFC to get an interest in him.
PRIDE vets FTMFW!
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good to see Nog in the UFC finally
And after that KO of Cane now everyone can see why they didnt want to let him go to Strikeforce.
Amazing
Considering at 13-11he shouldn’t even be fighting in the UFC.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
He does bring the fight. He is an entertainment over skill type of fighter. He is right about where Amir should be fighting, so I have no problem with him in the UFC. For both of those reasons. Amir needs to be brought along and Baroni not only was the right challenge level for him, you also knew it would be entertaining.
I can’t reconcile those two sentances… Can you write it another way?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
WTF!!!
FOTN should not have gone to Kos/Johnson by any stretch of the imagination! I’d have given FOTN to Thiago/Volkman.
SOTN should have gone to Kendall Grove or George Sotiropoulos.
I am glad to see Lil’ Nog get KO of the night but it probably should have gone to Ben Saunders.
Whomever determined these awards should be slapped hard across the face!
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
I totally agree with the Grove triangle. It was a slick transition and it locked in really tight really fast.
How in the world does a fight delayed that many times that doesn’t get close to going the distance be the fight of the night?
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
What is funny...
and I am not disagreeing that Kos/Johnson should not have gotten the FotN bonus, but what is funny is that we are constantly complaining that FotN usually goes to sloppy slug fests and now it goes to a sub win and everyone is pissed.
FOTN
Without the FOTN bonus I’d have to say Johnson is underpaid. He was in the co-main event and definitely was a draw for the card.
I can’t believe how much money Koscheck made. Damn.
Kos is the man for the UFC though.
How many times have they needed a late replacement to save a fight and he has been there. Johnson has a bunch of upside and this was his chance to prove it, but potential doesn’t equal big contract right off of the bat…this isn’t the NFL yet.
MMAPayout.com PPV Buyrate Prediction
A weighted average statistical regression analysis of two different variables – viewership in Countdown to UFC and live gate revenue across 30-40 events – was used to derive a linear equation that allows us to input UFC 106’s respective Countdown (445,000) and live gate ($3 million) values in order to determine an expected buyrate figure for the event:
* Countdown Prediction: 340,000
* Live Gate: 555,000
* Weighted average: 447,000 buys
There are some rather large discrepancies in the pre-fight indicators – more so than normal – and I feel that’s largely because of the rapid fight changes that have plagued the card. UFC 106 was supposed to be another 1 million+ card for the organization given Lesnar-Carwin and Ortiz Griffin, which is why the gate fared so well (early buyers anticipated watching Lesnar defend his title). However, the Countdown to UFC figures showed a very low level of interest in the fight (445,000 is the second lowest Countdown total of the year for the UFC).
It’s really tough to get a gauge as to exactly how popular both Forrest and Tito are right now. Tito is coming off an 18 month layoff, but is one of the more charismatic sellers in the fight game. Griffin is coming off an embarrassing loss, but he’s got a remarkable amount of support within each event itself.
At this point 340k seems a little low, but anything in the 400k range wouldn’t surprise.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 23, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, that was 1 boxing guy from Puerto Rico which everyone was quoting. I correctly predicted 1.2-1.5 million after everyone was calling that initial prediction BS.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 23, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Think that might have a little to do with Soares also representing Machida, Anderson and Big Nog.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Gotdamn that’s a lot of Aces in your hand. Black House in general… through in Cigano too
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
*throw fuck me
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Lil Nog is a quality fighter. If the UFC only gave him what he’s worth because of who else Soares represents, thats sad.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't buy that many PPV's...
especially with all of the great free cards that have been on lately, but I buckled at the last minute and ordered it. I think that watching Strikeforce on CBS, UFC 105 and the WEC actually made me more likely to buy this. At the beginning of the month I assumed I wouldn’t order it because there were so many good free fights on, but when the time came I just couldn’t resist.
Another factor could be that I still regret passing on Machida v Shogun. I won’t watch the fights online so if I don’t buy a PPV and it turns out to be pretty exciting it stings for a while. : (
Thing 2
I used to buy them all...
Until I realized going to a bar which has 15+ 80" screens is way better…and cheaper.
Interesting pay arrangements here
But its clear to me, when you think about what the UFC is making off these events, that most of this is really underpaid. Kendal Grove gets 22K to show?. Less than Baroni?. I just don’t see going to camp for months, paying huge expenses and taxes, and working the way these guys do and fighting for $8K to $100K the way they do
the main event for the strikeforce challengers card televised on showtime were paid 3,500 to show and 3,500 to win. You’re sympathy is better served somewhere else.
Oh please. 3.5k is exactly the kind of wage Zuffa would pay fighters of that caliber on a show that size. Some dudes at the last WEC made about that much. The difference is that Zuffa could hypothetically afford to pay its fighters more, whereas Strikeforce probably can’t. (This is setting aside whether or not it would be a good business decision to pay more, which is the kind of thing I know you care about.)
by JRN on Nov 23, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So please tell me which wec main event fighter was paid $3,500 to show and $3,500 to win? right…
My argument was with someone crying about a guy making 22k to show on a prelim when there are guys main eventing on showtime being paid 10 times less. But since you want to start a different argument please show me a main eventer on versus that was paid $3,500 to show.
Remind everyone how much fighters are getting paid on TUF.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say a main eventer on a WEC show was getting 3.5k/3.5k. I said some fighters on the last WEC show got about that much.
Comparing the main event of a WEC show, which tend to involve fights for recognized world titles, to a Strikeforce Challengers card headlined by Tyron Woodley, would be ridiculous. To compare Strikeforce Challengers to any UFC show would be even more ridiculous. There is no Zuffa product equivalent to Strikeforce Challengers, and being the “headliner” on a Strikeforce Challengers card hardly means anything.
My reasoning here is that Tyron Woodley and Rudy Bears are roughly equivalent, in terms of name value, to people like Frank Gomez, Seth Dikun, Kamal Shalorus, Will Kerr, and James Krause, all of whom got 3k/3k or less at WEC 44. Those fighters are of precisely the caliber that you could find headlining a Strikeforce Challengers card. Evidently, Zuffa has no problem such fighters pretty small purses. What do you know, Strikeforce feels the same way.
And while I don’t have the numbers, I’d be willing to bet that Kim Couture, Kerry Vera, and Feijao all got more than 3.5k/3.5k. Which would also indicate that “Strikeforce Challengers main eventer” is a pretty meaningless designation.
Kim Couture got 10k, I think
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
So my point here is that if you want to suggest that criticisms of UFC/WEC pay scales are unfounded, resorting to “b-b-b-but look what Strikeforce Challengers did!!!” is not the way to go.
Im suggesting there are guys worse off than someone being paid 22k to fight on the prelim which was the argument.
b-b-b-b-but you want to argue something else so please tell me since you’re arguing about venue how different was the size for the challengers series and the typical wec?
And also please tell me the difference between showtime and versus.
ok… So your venue argument is retarded. And you dont consider “placement” . Main Eventing and carrying a card different than being in the prelims?
I dont give a shit if Strikeforce and showtime are so desperate they have to place prelim level fighters as their main events… The fact is a main eventer televised on showtime is being paid 3,500 to show – that’s alot more prescient than crying about someone getting 22k on a prelim which if you can read was the original argument.
Strikeforce should pay as little as possible – because that’s smart business but the the argument was about a prelim fighter only making 22k to show which I’m contending isn’t the guy who needs the sympathy.
If you want to argue all fighters who get 3500 to show and 3500 to win needs the sympathy then fine – Ill agree with that.
But to say main eventing is the same as another guy on a prelim because of their “caliber” is stupid. You think the 155lbers main eventing in the wec early on with versus were world beaters?
Im suggesting there are guys worse off than someone being paid 22k to fight on the prelim which was the argument.
If that was your argument, you should have gone with “there are children starving in Africa so your’re (sic) sympathy is best served elsewhere.”
Everyone knows fighters outside the UFC get paid less. The implication of complaints like the one you responded to is not that nobody gets paid as poorly as UFC fighters; it’s that the UFC could afford to pay its fighters better. In other words, the UFC is in a unique position to pay fighters what they really deserve, but they don’t. That’s the idea, and you know it.
b-b-b-b-but you want to argue something else so please tell me since you’re arguing about venue how different was the size for the challengers series and the typical wec?
And also please tell me the difference between showtime and versus.
I’m not saying anything about venue size. When I talk about “a show of that size” I mean a show of that level of prominence. Strikeforce Challengers, in the grand scheme of MMA, is a C-level show at best, where Zuffa doesn’t put on anything smaller than a B-level show. The UFC could put on a show at a flea market and it would be a bigger deal than Strikeforce Challengers. I shouldn’t have to tell you that.
And again, I don’t have the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet that WEC shows on Versus get better ratings than Challenger cards on Showtime. You probably have the numbers, so you tell me.
And yet in spite of this, people of roughly Tyron Woodley’s level get paid about the same at WEC shows.
And you dont consider "placement" . Main Eventing and carrying a card different than being in the prelims?
What does this have to do with anything? What would my conclusion be if I considered “placement”? That it’s not OK for Tyron Woodley to have gotten 3.5k/3.5k? Or that it is? Either way, it’s unrelated to my point, which is that fighters like Tyron Woodley getting 3.5k/3.5k is completely standard.
I dont give a shit if Strikeforce and showtime are so desperate they have to place prelim level fighters as their main events… The fact is a main eventer televised on showtime is being paid 3,500 to show – that’s alot more prescient than crying about someone getting 22k on a prelim which if you can read was the original argument.
“Prescient” does not mean what you think it means. Also, the weird thing about that show is that they had Feijao as a headliner right there, not to mention Vera/Couture. Why they went with Woodley/Bears is beyond me.
With that out of the way, I’ll say that you’re missing the point again, which is that “Strikeforce Challengers main eventer” is a meaningless designation. Your point might hold water if Woodley and Bears were the highest paid fighters on the card, but they almost certainly weren’t.
Thought experiment: if Kamal Shalorus vs. Will Kerr was, for some reason, the headliner at WEC 44 (all other things staying the same), would you have a problem with how much they were paid?
But to say main eventing is the same as another guy on a prelim because of their "caliber" is stupid. You think the 155lbers main eventing in the wec early on with versus were world beaters?
No, but I’m guessing that a) they were generally more seasoned fighters than Tyron Woodley and Rudy Bears and b) were generally the highest paid fighters on the card.
Which is to say: I’m guessing that headlining a WEC, even “back in the day,” meant a little more than headlining a Strikeforce Challengers card today. Which makes a comparison between a WEC headliner and a Strikeforce Challengers headliner silly. Comparing a TUF winner & UFC prelim fighter to a Strikeforce Challengers headliner is silly for the same reason.
If your original point was really, honestly just to say “making 22k is still better than making 3.5k to show,” then OK, I misinterpreted you. But if that’s the case, you also missed SimplePsych’s point by a country mile.
tl/dr
Fighter pay in MMA as a whole
is a legitmate topic of conversation. If MMA fighters are “better” than boxers, the promoters should make their fighters’ pay reflect that.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
But there is never any intelligent conversation about it.
It’s always, “ZOMG, Zuffa is screwing the fighters” which completely ignores the fact that Zuffa pays more than everyone else.
Most fighters on Zuffa cards get paid more than most boxers. The top boxers get paid more than the top mma fighters, because the top boxers are the names that sell, while in MMA the top org is the name that sells. That doesn’t even go into the costs and other expenses that Zuffa has that your average boxing promoter doesn’t when it comes to lobbying to get the sport sanctioned and all that.
It doesn’t matter who is “better” it matters who makes the most money. The best lacrosse player in the US is better than the 1,000th best football player, but which one gets paid more and why?
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