Josh Koscheck Continues to Sway Fan Opinion With UFC 106 Performance
One of the most common discussions that analysts, writers, and fans have regarding teams and competitors is the idea that being mentally prepared for whatever competition that an athlete is about to participate in is a key to winning. Confidence is a term that is the most fitting to talk about in the lead-up to any sporting event. Football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey, gymnastics, your Saturday poker game, hell... even curling all require a level of confidence in order to win.
Josh Koscheck's peformance on Saturday night against Anthony "Rumble" Johnson was the perfect example of a bout that showed Koscheck's mental stability as a fighter. Despite Johnson being the betting favorite among fans, being the heavier athlete, and having over a 4" reach advantage, Koscheck not only stood with the Sanshou striker, but he proved that his NCAA Division I wrestling skills were still a major part of his game that shouldn't be forgotten.
The most impressive feat from Koscheck was his pre-fight demeanor, and it's been the single part of his personality that has won me over as a fan. While I was one of the many fans who disliked Koscheck from his antics he displayed on season one of The Ultimate Fighter, it's hard to dislike a fighter who backs up all the talk by walking the walk against any opponent put in front of him. Entering the cage, Koscheck wasn't calm, cool, and collected. He was in a quiet rage, hopping around his corner with a dangerous look in his eyes. His confidence was through the roof, and he had the look as if he needed to definitively finish Johnson to end any doubt.
A lot of fighters become a little over-aggressive when it comes to anger. The perfect example was that of Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy at UFC 99 in which we saw a lot of pre-fight footage and heard the stories of Davis' anger during the training camp and at the weigh-ins. It was obvious that Hardy was able to affect Davis' pace and style in the early part of the fight, but Koscheck's patience in the stand-up game and dominance in the ground game against Johnson never gave the impression that he was being impatient or impulsive, two attributes that come along with fighting angry.
Instead, Koscheck came out with the same attitude we've seen in his past few fights. Go into the Octagon, get the job done, and shut the critics up. Although the first round was marred by a couple of eye pokes and an illegal knee to a downed opponent, it was obvious that Johnson was uncomfortable from the beginning of the fight. Whether it was the extensive weight cut, the possibility of dealing with Koscheck's wrestling early, or the respect he gave Koscheck's power, he never looked calm or confident standing in front of Josh. Once the bout hit the floor, Koscheck's wrestling background took over in dominating fashion.
It's tough to pinpoint exactly where my opinion of Koscheck changed, but it's easy to sell me on a UFC event that features Josh Koscheck. He'll fight anyone at anytime, he shows up in shape with tough skill-set of powerful striking and top-notch wrestling, and he lets his performances do all the talking instead of flapping his gums for weeks before the fight, one of the sole reasons why I couldn't stand the guy in the first place. He doesn't shy away from opponents, and his confidence is through the roof at this point in his career.
Most of the writers have brushed off the idea of the UFC creating a Dan Hardy vs. Josh Koscheck showdown, and I'm under the same thought that there aren't many contenders to go around. Hardy will fight Georges St. Pierre, and I have a lot of confidence in St. Pierre grounding Hardy and crushing him. As Michael Rome mentioned, I think a rematch with Thiago Alves would be a perfect match-up. Koscheck took it on relatively short notice last time, and he still managed to go to decision. A second showdown with the Brazilian would be much different as he's gained considerable skill in the striking department. Give Koscheck the actual time to train for Alves, and it could be a truly explosive match-up.
The Koscheck-Hardy build-up works out perfectly in any scenario, but it works out very well for Koscheck if Dan Hardy somehow upsets Georges St. Pierre. If not, Koscheck will more than likely get a crack at him before an eventual title showdown, but he needs to avoid another upset at the hands of someone like Paulo Thiago, another fighter who has seen some substantial gains in his striking game (Notice how he looped far less and threw straight jabs with power against Volkmann).
While Koscheck might not be the flavor for every fan out there, he's been getting it done on the biggest stage in MMA in fan-pleasing performances. He's went from a guy who many considered to be fairly one-dimensional to a guy who can not only throw a knockout punch, but outwrestle nearly every fighter in the welterweight division. Hopefully, we won't see Koscheck get over confident (see Paulo Thiago) in the Octagon anytime soon. If not, he should be winning his way into title contention next year.
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If Daley is indeed out for 108, Condit/Kos sounds pretty damn good.
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I’ll watch any of those fights. Koscheck-Alves, Koscheck-Condit is a great thought as well.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not a bad fight either, but Almeida doesn’t have the striking or takedown defense. He could sub Kos, but it’s very doubtful. Not a good fight for Almeida, IMO.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Almeida is out though with a knee injury
If he had to pull out of a Fitch fight, it’d be weird to see a Kos/Almeida fight made anytime soon.
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"(Dan Hardy’s) not gonna happen, I’m just gonna fight," he told MMAWeekly.com. "I already told Joe Silva I’m ready to fight. Hopefully I can get 10 to 12 fights next year."
Really?
"Yeah, 10 to 12," he declared.
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This is where Kos gets in trouble, its cool that he does not mind quick turn arounds and will fight at any time but this is what will cost him. Over training can happen, nagging injuries and what not can cause his proformances to dwincle. Kos is a gamer no doubt about it and he will step up and fight any one no matter what (Alves on such a short notice is crazy). Kos diserves respect, the dude is a fight who has built himself up from a wrestler only to a well rounded fight who can pose problems for any one
That was new news on heavy.com….last week. ;)
http://www.heavy.com/post/josh-koscheck-dan-hardy-doesnt-deserve-a-title-shot-1684
Heavy.com: You’ve become known as one of the UFC’s “designated fighters”, someone who will fight on any card when he’s needed. Why do you want to fight so often?
Josh Koscheck: That’s pretty simple, actually. One, I like to fight. Two, I like to make money, and the only time I make good money is when I fight. So why not get in there and do the two things that you like? I love to fight, and I love making money.
Heavy.com: Do you worry about wearing down from fighting too much?
Josh Koscheck: No. I’ve been wrestling since I was five years old. Hopefully next year the UFC will give me ten to twelve fights. I’d like to have one fight per month. I’d do three weeks of training, one week off for the fight, and then go right back into training camp for the next fight. Ten to twelve fights next year would be a dream. That would be awesome.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
10-12 fights is ridiculous though. Koscheck would be fighting all levels of competition, and probably winning almost every one of those fights.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't totally mind
10-12 is silly, but if Kos wants to go in there and smash some no one, I’m cool with that a few times a year. Call it an exhibition, call it Japan, whatever it could be fun.
It would ruin the WW division giving him that many fights
he would beat all the lesser opponents baring a fluke upper cut… he would clean out the division of possible contenders
In fact… he and fitch are identical. Great fighters… but I don’t think either will ever beat GSP. All they are doing is beating the shit out of lesser fighters. But I really don’t see a solution to it…
Other than making them fight and giving the winner a rematch against GSP.
Actually, I disagree to an extent.
Koscheck is much more exciting than Fitch right now, and Koscheck was able to, at the very least, steal a round against GSP. Furthermore, Koscheck’s stand-up was shit back at UFC 74, so he has a much more improved game now than he did back then. Granted, GSP does as well, but I think Koscheck actually presents a much bigger challenge than anyone right now as far as well-roundedness goes.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree he poses a bigger challenge than anyone right now… I just still don’t think it would be much of a challenge :-/
I can’t really gauge it right now because GSP’s wrestling is a lot better.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what we saw out of Paulo this weekend, I think it is time we stopped referring to his win over Kos as a fluke uppercut. He hurt Volkmann every time he touched him. It seems pretty obvious that guy has wicked power in his hands. He also gave Fitch a hell of a fight in his last fight prior to 106. That guy is going to making big noise in the WW division for years to come.
Paulo Thiago is for real.
Right, no way it is happening. I asked someone in the know and they just laughed.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think you’d even need to ask. It’s just insane, but I could see him getting five or six fights if a number of injuries happen and Kos is ready to go.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Pancrase guys used to go 12 times a year. Of course, they are all cripples now..
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was about to chime in – just ask all those PRIDE guys that fought so many times a year how they’re holding up. Probably didn’t help that they needed to use a variety of “supplements” to allow themselves to heal/train/fight that many times either, but they all look about 10 years older than they actually are.
Or
He get’s cocky and doesn’t study any film and get’s Paulo’d.
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Great Post.
I used to despise Koscheck when he was on TUF. He has definitely won me over with his fighting style. The man just continues to show up and brawl. He is tough as nails, and that Thiago fight was just weird. I say give him a rematch.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions
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Talented guy no doubt…but I loss some respect for him after all the eye poking stuff…“close your fingers when you jab!”
I didn’t.
He looked like he was using his hand to set up the power right, as MANY fighters do. Not a big deal in my opinion.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we need to penalize this though?
I don’t think it was a factor in the decision, but in general even if you accidentally eye poke someone they can’t see as well and it affects them. Some fighters are definitely more prone to do it than others. Obviously deducting 1 point is a huge deal and it leads to draws which suck, but I’d consider more deductions.
Agreed.
I was saying the same thing on another thread.
Kos’ second eye poke to Anthony was due to that lazy open hand jab that he, and many other fighters do, to set up their power shot. A penalty point would give them cause to work on their technique between fights to keep that from happening.
personally, kos will never be a fave. as a fighter, he keeps up a pace/short notice style that is pretty old school. seriously. he is the definition of a pro-fighter. he fights to make money and wants to fight often/stay active. gotta respect that.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions
Huh?
He’ll fight anyone at anytime
Except of course anyone else from AKA which are about half the good matchups in his division. I agree its likable that he’ll fight anyone not at AKA anytime, but that whole thing is a little annoying.
Yeah, but Fitch is really the only guy at this point. Swick is sort of out of the mix now for a bit.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Half?
That’s two matchups. And him vs. Swick is not exciting in the least to me. So one. Guys I’d like to see Kos fight: Alves, Condit, Hughes, Hardy, Kampmann, Semtex, Almeida. So AKA is holding up… 13% of the interesting matchups for him in the UFC. 22% if you care about Swick. I don’t see it as a big deal, my gripe with AKA is that if any of them lose, a daddy Fitch comes along to make it all better…
by pdl on Nov 23, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right
Half was overstating it, but at times his stance is problematic.
I really never ever liked Kos probably because of his antics when we first saw him on TUF. After that fight I am a fan and I agree with him calling out Hardy everyone on the eboards has been doing it because its true. Hardy does not deserve a shot at GSP but it will make money and keep GSP active so be it, just glad someone said it loud and clear.
Veteran Stuff
Like a boxer letting his mouth piece fall out after getting rocked so as to gain a little recovery time, Koscheck showed veteran sensibility and gained a ton of recovery time after the illegal knee and phantom eye poke (Though it might not have been as phantom as it seemed). He was really slow to answer the ref’s questions as well as the Doctor’s questions earning more time. He earned himself a lot of recovery time after being seemingly rocked by Johnson’s right hook. It’s debatable but the second eye poke that Koscheck delivered to Johnson in the second round looked pretty intentional to me. Given that Johnson probably has some pretty strong fear of eye pokes, it wouldn’t be a terrible strategy (dirty but effective) to poke Johnson in his eye and force him to hesitate and react a little more defensively. These are the marks of a crafty veteran fighter and this is what impressed me the most watching Koscheck this time around.
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The problem is…
That doctor could have technically said… his vision is still blurry, it’s over. Instead, he asked the referee what he thought. Referee said let’s give him his minutes, and the doctor said it probably wouldn’t matter. I think Koscheck was razor close to having the fight stopped by that doctor, but luckily the referee probably knew what Koscheck was doing. He probably knew he was also going to take the breather as well.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Very risky for sure.
Did you notice the discussion between the ref and the doctor where the ref says Kos has 5 min. but the doctor disputes that. The doctor believes that the 5 min. are granted for a illegal groin shot but not for an illegal knee to the head. I wonder what the actual rule states. Anyone know?
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No, I think what he meant was… he didn’t think Josh had 5 minutes as in he thought Josh was done because of his blurry vision. I thought the same thing at first, but I think he meant he didn’t have five minutes because he thought it didn’t matter because it wasn’t going to help.
Josh was probably milking it, but hey… he gets five minutes, so take it.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t say that the words “crafty” or “impressive” ever crossed my mind during that whole episode. The whole fight caused me to lose whatever respect I had for Josh. I would have thought he had the confidence and skill to win it without resorting to childish mind games.
by Jackie Maden on Nov 23, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thats pretty dick, to suggest that Johnson lost because his opponent was being childish.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, not what I meant. I think the fight would have ended the same way, I just don’t understand why Josh felt he had to act that way. It wasn’t like he was losing, after all.
by Jackie Maden on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Unified Rules of MMA state -
13:46-24A.15 Fouls
(a) The following are fouls and will result in penalties if committed:
1. Butting with the head;
2. Eye gouging of any kind;
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14. Kicking the head of a grounded fighter;
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded fighter;
16. Stomping of a grounded fighter;
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21. Timidity (avoiding contact, or consistent dropping of mouthpiece, or faking an injury);
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(e) A fouled fighter has up to five minutes to recuperate.
Nevada's Rules State
NAC 467.7962 Acts constituting fouls. (NRS 467.030)
The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts:
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2. Eye gouging of any kind.
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14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
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29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
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NAC 467.7966 Fouls: Accidental. (NRS 467.030)
1. If a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts is stopped because of an accidental foul, the referee shall determine whether the unarmed combatant who has been fouled can continue or not. If the unarmed combatant’s chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of the foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled, the referee may order the contest or exhibition continued after a recuperative interval of not more than 5 minutes. Immediately after separating the unarmed combatants, the referee shall inform the Commission’s representative of his determination that the foul was accidental.
So reading that, it looks like the NSAC rules allow you up to 5 minutes of recovery times, so long as you do not take an foul/illegal strike to the head.
Funny that you can be assessed a foul for playing up an injury – but I guess it’s a real slippery slope in determining who’s hurt and who’s playing it up.
Plus...
The referee already believed there was a foul, so… it is a slippery slope because from a fan viewpoint with replays and everything, it could turn out different later.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
I just don’t see them ever really making a call like that unless it was 110% obvious…and even it’s not like someone’s going to just pull the “over-sell” unless they’ve actually taken a foul that they’re trying to embellish.
Everything just happens so quickly. There is no way the referee was going to see that poke before the knee, and when a referee sees a knee hit near the face while he’s down… I just think it’s too quick for the referee to know.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Experience played a factor
Kos and Rumble have trained together in the past and reports I read were that Kos owned Johnson in sparring sessions. No clue how long ago those sessions were, but one thing is for sure Kos was way more confident coming into the bout than Johnson. Not the only factor, but worth noting in a summary of Kos’s prefight demeanor.
Where does Johnson go from here?
Haven’t read much about him post-fight, but I’d guess he probably hasn’t lost that much stock in fans’ eyes. He had some very positive things going on early in the match against an elite, veteran fighter in Kos, not to mention the eye-poke undoubtedly will affect the casuals’ perception of the fight.
AJ is still young as hell, and will improve over more fights and more years. The most troubling thing in the fight, imo, was the steam he lost in the second half of Rd 2. A move to MW or improved cardio will work wonders for his development as a fighter.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dissapointed
It’s ridiculous all this praise for Koscheck. He blatantly cheated, and faked an injury. Johnson accidently went to knee Kos while he was grounded, but(!) his knee didn’t really connect at all. Kos mostly blocked it with his elbow.
They take a point away from Johnson, but they don’t from Kos when he (imo) purposely poked Rumble in the eyes twice!! Kos wasn’t looking all that great before he faked his injury, and I believe that it affected Johnson performance.
Kos also faked that eye poke, I never cared for Kos before, I was indifferent about him. But after seeing him fight this past saturday, i believe he’s joke. I play soccer, and there are many players who fake injury to get a foul or to cause the opposing player to get a penalty(yellow or red card) And one can tell when one is faking an injury, and how Kos reacted to the eye poke was blatantly fake.
You saw Kos very confident before the fight, pfft, I saw Kos nervous, very nervous. He only has that overhand right and his wrestling. He cheated his way to victory. Very dissapointed with this article…
it was funny though what he did at the post fight press conf, haha.
I agree
I thought he faked the eye injury because he was nervous about how tough Johnson was up to that point in the fight.
The people I was with were all guessing he would quit “due to injury” to avoid the loss. I was actually surprised when he continued.
I appreciate his skills, but I lost all respect for him as a fighter when I saw the way he milked that non-injury.
It was a soccer-level flop.
I agree 100 percent with this article
The turning point for me was the Thiago Alves fight. Even though he took a loss, I could respect his stance. He wanted to fight, he wanted to make some cash, and he was going to step up and do that in just a week. I can respect that. I still don’t think I would like Kos as a person, but as an athlete I am a fan. I wish the UFC would let him fight 12 times this upcoming year. Then I could see somebody who is quickly becoming one of my favorite fighters once a month.
I am on the brink of becoming a Koscheck fan.
Yes, the knee was questionable but I was still impressed by his performance. His stand up was solid, and he knew when to take it to the ground. Now, if he’d just stop dying his hair blond I’d be sold.
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We are having this discussion in the other thread, and I am emailing Keith Kizer regarding it.
If I throw an illegal blow, but my opponent blocks it… is it still illegal? I say yes, and I also think Koscheck would have been hit in the head with that knee, albeit a grazing hit, had his arm not been there.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is the thing
Johnson has nothing to complain about. If Kos’s arm wasn’t there he would have kneed him square in the face. He wasn’t trying to knee his arm. He was trying to knee him in the face and he got a point docked for it.
Kizer replied to my email and stated that the rule relies on “intent”. Therefore, Johnson’s knee intended to hit Koscheck in the face, and I’d agree. It was aimed at his face. It doesn’t matter if he blocked it or not. It was a foul.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 23, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic!
That’s exactly what I was hoping to hear from this. Just like an accidental foul is still a foul, a foul that’s accidentally legal should still be a foul… if that phrasing makes sense in anybody elses head.
Thanks for being thorough on this and making the inquiry. Great information to have, and it’s nice to have media following up on these sorts of things. Keep up the great work Leland [and the rest of the BE team as well].
Good stuff
A foul is a foul whether you meant to or not. He intended to knee Koscheck in the face, and it probably would have been the end of the fight had it not been blocked by an arm.
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I’ve got nothing but love for a fighter who is ALWAYS down to fight and brings 100% every single time he goes in there. I hope he gets another shot at GSP some day.
I'm confused
I thought what he did was far more disrespectful and unsportsmanlike than anything Lesnar has said.
Faking an injury like that is the opposite of someone who is “always down to fight”.
saying he faked it is just your opinion
I’ve yet to see anything proving that he never got hit in the eye.
I’m on the opposite side of the fence…I want to like Koscheck…I’m a fan of the AKA fighters, and I like his mentality and gameness when it comes to fighting….
Then the guy opens his mouth. He comes off like SUCH a smug, arrogant jerk it makes it hard for me to like him. I wish he would do less interviews and just let his actions in the ring talk. As opposed to insulting another fighter, then pulling a BJ Penn and saying “If you wanna hear what I say, go to my website!”
Ugh.

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