After UFC 106, Dana White and Marc Ratner Address MMA Judging
by Kid Nate on Nov 22, 2009 9:30 PM EST
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MMA Junkie quoted Dana White talking about the plague of controversial judges decisions that has afflicted the UFC in the main events of UFC 104, 105 and 106:
White said he realizes there is a real need for improvement in scoring, but he clarified that the process isn't in his hands.
"Believe me, you're preaching to the choir here," White said. "There's nothing worse than when guys go out and train hard for a fight and lose fights that they won. It drives me nuts.
"That has nothing to do with me, though. The best thing we're doing on our side is that we've got Marc Ratner, and Marc Ratner is out there trying to work with these guys everyday to make it better. I mean, when you watch a fight like this tonight and hear a 30-27 score (for Griffin), I mean - I don't even know. I'm just so exhausted by this whole thing. It's tiring. It's terrible."
Here's Marc Ratner, the current Zuffa Vice President of Regulatory Affairs talking to Heavy.com. The former Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission answers questions about UFC's continuing controversies surrounding poor officiating and bad judging.
And if Ratner can't work it out with the Commissions, Dana advises the fans to reach out:
"I don't know what to say," White admitted. "If everyone wants to call the (Nevada State) Athletic Commission and talk to (executive director) Keith Kizer - he's the guy you have to ask questions to, not me. ... The reality is you guys have to call Keith Kizer. Call Keith Kizer and asked him what we can to do to fix this judging and scoring.
"These athletic commissions need to start looking at this and figuring out what they're going to do. It's wrong."
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I asked Ratner about issues Luke has brought up regarding the Virginia commission and he was aware of the issues. Despite some hiccups, he was confident they would work together to pull off a successful event.
by JonathanSnowden on Nov 22, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions
The disturbing thing to me is I asked Dana about the issues with the virginia AC and he knew nothing about it.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 9:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To put a polite spin on it, Dana is not always the first to know about things? Were you at the event?
by JonathanSnowden on Nov 22, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
He may not be the first but I would think by now he would know there are major issues with the competency of the Virginia commission. I didn’t end up going to the fights but I was at the Q&A Friday.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean, when you watch a fight like this tonight and hear a 30-27 score (for Griffin), I mean – I don’t even know. I’m just so exhausted by this whole thing. It’s tiring. It’s terrible."
I have no idea why Dana would single out that scorecard and not the 29-28 for Tito. Horrendous scorecard.
"He hit like a bitch."
by SMC on Nov 22, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You thought Griffin winning the second was more justifiable than Ortiz taking the first?
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I had Tito winning the second, but he lost the first and was a punching bag in the third.
"He hit like a bitch."
I had it 29-28 for Tito.
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by FlyByKnight on Nov 22, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I myself thought the 29-28 for Tito was worse than 30-27 for Forest.
Damage > Position.
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What damage though? Sitting right next to the cage, it was obvious that Tito wasn’t even noticing Forrest’s punches in the first round, while Tito’s GNP was plenty effective.
by JonathanSnowden on Nov 23, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just saying that I could at least understand Tito taking the first and second, with the second definitely being his round and the first being a toss-up. I find it much harder to believe Griffin won all three rounds.
FWIW I had it 29-28 Griffin, but I was saying at the time that the judges might give Ortiz the decision hinging on what they thought of the first round. I still don’t see how Griffin wins the second.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions
Oops. This is in response to SMC.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I am waiting for the NSAC to address Tito fighting with a cracked SKULL!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 22, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
I don't get it..
i was away for a day or so in BE, then i find all this talk about a robbery? what? and why is Dana mad about the 30-27? the one who had ortiz winning was THE bullshit card..
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Robbery? Who got robbed? The only one who thinks Tito was robbed is Jacob Ortiz himself.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what the hell is Dana talking about?
and are people upset that they almost gave Tito a victory? wtf is up with the 29-28 tito?
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think it just shows that people have no idea how to weigh wrestling versus striking. even the ufc pres cant really figure it out.
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I disagree
I think Dana is right.
29-28 Tito is at least justifiable. Tito clearly won one round (2nd) and Forrest clearly won one round (3rd) and one round was extremely close (1st). 29-28 Tito just means that the judge scored the two obvious rounds correctly and gave Tito the close round. While I don’t agree with that score, I can at least see a reasonable argument for it.
What cannot be justified is screwing up one of the obvious rounds. A 30-27 score for Forrest means that some moron gave him the second round. I agree that Forrest won the fight, but anyone with functioning eyeballs could see that he lost the second round.
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both gave round 2 to Forrest
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think they need to find experts in each discipline of MMA, striking, wrestling, and grappling…then lock them in a room until they come up with CLEAR and fair guidlines in regards to officiating AND scoring fights. Then larger organizations should start refusing to fight in states that dont adopt the rules and guidlines that the commitee comes up with.
by ProfessorBLove on Nov 22, 2009 11:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No one seems to know how the judging works anymore. Thats a big problem since the judges don’t know either.
I have watched that fight 3 times now. I would score it 29-27 Forrest. I wouldn’t think it would be a stretch to call it 30-26 or 30-27 Forrest though. I think its a bigger stretch to say that Tito won round one than that Forrest won round two.
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That last round absolutely should have been 10 – 8 for Forrest on everyone’s scorecard, which would’ve made it either a draw at 28 – 28 or a win for Forrest at 29 – 27.
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