UFC 106 Post-Fight Analysis and Recap
by Mike Fagan on Nov 22, 2009 8:14 AM EST
in MMA News
Email
Print
Let's start at the top and work our way down.
-Someone needs to take away Glenn Trowbridge's judging license. A card of 29-28 Ortiz is atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. I personally had the fight 30-26 Griffin, though I find 30-27 and 29-28 Griffin acceptable as well.
-Tito talked about having a cracked skull coming into the bout. Color me crazy, but I feel like the commission might pooh-pooh the idea of a fighter entering the cage with a skull fracture. Maybe deals were made to save an already anemic top of the card.
-Ortiz looked absolutely impotent on the feet all night and became a walking punching bag for Griffin in round 3. And, dare I say, Tito looked gassed in that last round.
-I'm not sure what to make of the Koscheck/Johnson mess. Koscheck outworked Johnson on the floor in round 2, there's no doubting that. But between the weird knee/eye poke/Oscar performance and then the two eye pokes to "Rumble," that was a bigger fustercluck than Napoleon at Waterloo.
-Volkmann/Thiago was weird. I don't know what else to say about it.
-Rogerio Nogueira performed brilliantly. The left hand parry, jab/left straight combo had me marking out. (Hint, hint Nate!)
-Just talked to a friend about the fights and we were thinking of where Forrest goes from here. We joked that the only fights that make sense are rematches (Jardine, Evans, Jackson, Rua, etc.). Then it dawned on my buddy...have Forrest fight Rogerio. Brilliant!
-Great opening fight. Well, at least the first three minutes were great. Did Baroni's power get lost in the translation to 170? Because he hit Sadollah with some clean power shots that didn't seem to phase Amir. And props to that kid. He looked way better than I expected.
-Maybe I'm alone thinking this, but Joe got on my nerves tonight. I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty, but his call for some sort of hybrid glove that covers the fingers and still allows you to grapple had me tilting harder than getting two outed on the river. No, Joe, it's probably not possible to create some sort of fighting mitten. Eye pokes are going to be a part of the game. Just accept it.
Overall, a fun night of fights. I really wish the Koscheck/Johnson fight didn't have so many distractions, but thems the ropes. Forrest looked good bouncing back from the Anchor Punch of Doom. And we got multiple Diego "YUS" Sanchez promos! Perfect night!
148 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Tito Ortiz=Mike Tyson
“I broke my back”
“What do you mean you broke your back? A vertebrae…..”
“Spinal”
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 1:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m so sick of that cocky sob. Go home and cry Tito. We don’t want to hear your excuses. Take it like a man. We know all fighters are tough and we know that all fighters have injuries. No one wants to hear you complain. I’m so sick of that dude!
I feel a little better now that is off my chest. :)
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
The thing that annoys me is don’t say how healthy you are and how great you feel before the fight then complain that you were injured after you lose.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly! it’s ridiculous. I don’t know why anyone would like him. I don’t see it. How does he have fans. He’s always thinking his fans. He has no fans. He’s done. Let him fight Chuck and get knocked out again. The thought of his name makes me want to throw up. I can’t stand how he can’t accept a lose. He should have just said, I had a long road to get back in this cage. I didn’t perform like I wanted to but Forrest is a tough competitor. I’ll go back to the drawing board and try to come back stronger. Thanks fans, Thanks for your support.
now, I’d have some respect for him if he said that. He needs to learn from Couture.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
That's not correct
He said back surgery on the CT 2 . . . 3 4 . . . 9er and had a broken skull. Than finished it out with a angry challenge to the booing crowd of lets see you try to fight (meaning with these injuries).
Can we say EliteXC, Affliction and Strikeforce duped UFC into signing Tito?
Har Har. it was so obvious to anyone with an IQ over 10 the entire time that Tito Ortiz would end up in the UFC again when he was healthy again to fight.
by Michael Rome on Nov 22, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
UFC offered him a contract when he wasn’t healthy, a huge contract. Let’s not act like health was the hold up here. Tito thought he could get a better offer outside the UFC and no other organization took the bait. Please Michael, you are telling me you didn’t somewhat believe the people running the other organizations had an IQ below 10 to do it?
Do you really think Strikeforce wouldnt have loved to have Ortiz co-main eventing the CBS show?
The UFC offered him more money because they didnt want an organization getting decent ratings because of him.
Had like an Ortiz/Mousasi or Ortiz/Whitehead been the lead into Fedor/Rogers it would have done better ratings.
Strikeforce would be filling for Chapter 8 right now if Tito just pulled that off on their broadcast. Taking the 3rd round off, laundry list of post fight excuses and insulting crowd for not liking his effort . . . he would have just sunk a lesser operation.
Yeah
because Shields/Mayhem that was such a better fight than Griffin/Ortiz 2.
Like I said Ortiz shouldnt have made excuses but he did he always does that is Ortiz.
Your whole post though that Elite XC, Affliction, and Strikeforce duped the UFC into resigning Ortiz is stupid.
They wanted Ortiz just not at his price. Strikeforce would have loved to have Ortiz co-headline the CBS show but the UFC resigned him.
If your so fed up with the “crap” that the UFC puts out stop watching but I have a feeling you will be right back on here after 107 complaining that you just wasted 55 dollars and a Saturday Night. Then 108. Then 109.
I’m obviously wasting my time talking to you if you thought Griffin/Ortiz 2 was on par with Shields/Mayhem.
I will probably skip UFC 107 but there is a strong chance I will watch 108 and 109 because New Years and SB are traditionally there best cards of the year.
My point was
Both Ortiz/Griffin 2 and Mayhem/Shields were not great fights.
You seem very upset that in your opinion the UFC puts on a bad product now so my advice is to stop watching.
Save your money and time and stop watching the UFC because chances are they are gonna put on some bad cards.
I thought there were some good matches 2nite and some bad one’s and that is what you get with all mma. Weather it’s Strikeforce, Affliction, UFC whatever.
I thought Shields/Mayhem was a great fight. Very technical, thought Shields called an audible to win by points after being saved by the bell in the 3rd. I was impressed by both fighters.
I will save my money for now on with UFC cards. I will take your advice. I can understand a bad fight or a card that falls apart. However, I cannot accept a headline fight were one guy isn’t healthy enough to fight 3 rounds. It was a bitterly disappointing finish. I draw the line there. Don’t give me the fight and definitely don’t sell me a bag of rocks and not expect me to get upset after wards. Tito was not in the best shape of his life or healthy (as claimed), he admitted he couldn’t really train for the fight.
I actually thought
both fights were good. Shields/Miller because it was an amazing grappling display by one of the best positionally dominant fighters against one of the hardest fighters to submit. Ortiz/Griffin wasn’t the best fight, but it was certainly decent. Give Ortiz props for fighting a good fight in his first action back in almost 2 years and nearly winning that. Give Griffin props for fighting well off his back and getting back on the horse after the blowout by Silva.
by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Can we say EliteXC, Affliction and Strikeforce duped UFC into signing Tito?
There’s just so much stupid in this assumption… where to begin?
Do you realize 2 of those companies whom you give so much credit for “masterminding this diabolical plan” have gone out of business?
You think Dana thought Tito was gonna come back and be a world beater? He couldnt beat the best guys of 2 years ago and talent is evolving so fast… Tito’s performance had more to do with ring rust otherwise he’ll make a fight with anyone even though he loses.
Tito could fight Rich Franklin, Randy, Wand Silva, Mark Coleman, etc… He can coach Tuf en espanol edition (if he brushes up on his spanish) – there’s no limits.
Scott Coker was giving away his left nut to try and sign Tito… dont be so naive.
OMG, it was joke a people
UFC usually pawns off these disasters on other organizations. It appears UFC got stuck with it this time.
Tito was a disaster after 2nd round last night. Certainly cannot be happy with his 3rd round effort or post fight interview.
That knee didn't seem to hit Kos's head at all.
This is where instant replay would be nice – the knee hits Kos’s arm and glances away (I can’t wait for gifs to surface). Then you get the bizarre ailment where his left eye is hurt even though it doesn’t appear to get touched. If his eye was oh-so-injured, I want photos like we saw of Franklin, al-Turk, or Rumble after their pokes. At this point, I don’t even love-to-hate Kos; I just can’t stand him
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 AM EST reply actions
yeah, that was really jacked up. None of it made since. Even Joe was questioning it. I’m surprised he didn’t mention it when he interviewed Koscheck at the end of the fight. Weird fight.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
To make it worse, he got FotN and SotN for that win he cheated to get. WTF! The crowed was so pissed.
by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
fight of the night?
sure if this is the oscar’s or some eye poking contest
koscheck is such a disgrace
His acting job (or perceived, I dunno) did somewhat spoil a very impressive performance. His call out of Dan Hardy was an all time classic. Since when do tough guys say, “Now I’m going to talk more shit on my twitter.”
it looked to me like the eye poke happened just before the knee… it stunned him, which is why his hands dropped and opened his face up to the illegal knee. The replay kept showing the knee and the swipe afterwards, but they really didn’t show Johnson’s thumb when kos was pressed in tight just before the knee.
Faking a poke to get a breather would be one thing, but I don’t think Koschek is stupid enough to let it get that close to having the fight stopped over it.
Correct on the thumb in the eye.
I was watching this and caught it on the second replay, before they truncated it to just the knee impact and left hand swipe afterwards. I was screaming that Kos was faking until I saw Rumble’s thumb clearly go in and above Kos’ left eye. It looked like he jacked it up pretty good.
That said, to HELL with Koscheck poking Rumble twice. He was simply trying to mess with his head, since Anthony nearly lost his eye before, requiring significant surgical intervention to preserve his vision. I’ve always been a fan of Koscheck (a frustrated fan for the last year or so, since he’s completely abandoned his wrestling during that time) but I’m off the bandwagon now. He just wanted to mess with Rumble’s head, and while some people will say ’that’s just part of the game,’ I’ve got no respect for him now. Same league as Florian with those ridiculous elbows to the back of Lauzon’s head. Heels, both of them.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I hope Luke will retract his previous “Lil Nog’s boxing is hugely over-rated” after he absolutely tore up Banha tonight. That was a total bare-assing.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
nog looked great... what you think about NOG vs Forrest?
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Lil Nog vs Griffin actually makes a lot of sense. Besides rematches, there aren’t too many fights for Forrest in Light Heavy.
I think Forrest has had one hell of a road…… Shogun, Jackson, Evans, Silva, Tito……. wow
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
At least he managed to effectively duck Machida.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d rather see Randy-Forrest, Nog would KTFO Forrest.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 1:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see Forrest able to finish anyone. I don’t think he has any knock out power. He’s very technical and well rounded. He seems to always go to a decision. That’s going to end up hurting him in the long run.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Right, something else I just thought of- if Rampage ever comes to his senses he could have his rematch with Forrest since Rashad already has a fight coming up.
by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2009 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To quote Denis Farina from Snatch – “Well who the fuck wants to see it?!?!”
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Nov 22, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great movie.
Farina: Open him up, Tony.
Nut-grabbin’-Vinnie: He’s not exactly a tin of beans, is he?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
oh, and you planning to do a write-up of your experience at the show? how was the crowd in the building? seemed pretty dead during the broadcast
i felt like there was a mix of boo's and cheers for Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Mixed reaction
is the term I was using to describe it. Lots of cheers, lots of boos, but what was really clear was that there was a lot of noise over for him.
Honestly – outside of a Soko-like lucky bomb landing…Lil Nog tears Forrest to shreds. But I’d still like to see it so there’s a legit challenger, but I hope Soares doesn’t get involved and muddy the waters for a Nog vs. Machida or anything else. Best case scenario (for a fanboy) is Lil-Nog vs. Shogun II for the title, but that;s prolly a pipe dream.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
the way I look at it….. If you are not willing to fight the champion of a certain weight class then get the hell out of that weight class and stop fighting there. That’s why I don’t like Silva switching classes. All he’s doing is knocking off possible fighters who could fight for the belt. He has no desire to fight Machida, so he shouldn’t fight at 205 until Machida gets dethroned.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hey now
Soares already said that Silva won’t, but Rogerio could.
Problem re: your above example… what if you’re too good for the division you’re coming from?
It’s great to see someone use boxing – honest-to-god boxing – in the cage, effectively. Now, if you want Lil’ Nog to get another highlight ko on his resume, book him against Griffith.
by John Nash on Nov 22, 2009 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really don’t know why I wrote Griffith. Blaming it on the cocktails – or the bulging disk and cracked skull.
by John Nash on Nov 22, 2009 2:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Kos is an even better actor than Jamie Varner – that was pathetic.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
The only thing that redeemed Koscheck for me was that he called out Dan Hardy (who I am not a fan of). Other than that though, I am going to root for Koscheck’s opponent to beat Koscheck.
Agreed...
but biz-wise, why sacrifice Hardy’s potential draw as challenger, because he’ll get f’d up by Kos. Honestly, Kos vs. GSP was a really tight fight that turned on, like, one takedown attempt…so it was much closer than people tend to remember it. I realize fighters evolve and GSP is light years ahead of then, but Kos has much better striking now…
I think that;s a good fight and one they can sell. Hope it happens in ’10.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
How pissed must Swick be after hearing Kos say that Hardy hasn’t beaten anyone? What a great teammate.
by Velcro on Nov 22, 2009 2:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I also found it funny when Forrest was saying that people should cut Tito some slack cause after all, he was only training for Mark Coleman.
Somewhere, Stephan Bonnar must be crying…
by TLow on Nov 22, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, Joe, it’s probably not possible to create some sort of fighting mitten.
Can’t a man dare to dream?
A boxing glove?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
What about these things?
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
I really don’t know what to think when i see you guys talk about the Paulo Thiago fight, i mean in my opinion it was a great fight, lots of skills from both guys.
Paulo clearly had the advantage on the stand up with his boxing, but Volkman show a lot of great ground skill, a nice merge of wrestling and BJJ.
I don’t think we will ever reach the day that skill will be more important than personality, MMA will never be a sport, it’s a just an entertaiment show.
I enjoyed the fight, but I’m not sure I’d call it a great fight. Both looked pretty sloppy at times.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
Yeah, I was a bit surprised to see that your only comment was that it was “weird”. I thought it was one of the better fights of the evening with some good back and forth and a few exciting moments. Volkman was certainly very hasty in his transitions, but that may have been partly due to nerves from his first UFC appearance. Some of the stand-up was sloppy, but then neither guy is particularly known for having stellar stand-up ability.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Nov 22, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, how can people say they enjoy the fight and on their sum up write up call it just “weird” with nothing else to say? I thought it was a great fight too, technical fight on the ground. Paulo needs to work more on his power though, he should have put Volkman out like 3 times in that fight.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
I'm probably going to sound like a racist,
but I think it’s a fair observation to say that many/most of the run-of-the-mill Brazilian fighters are simply counter-fighters, both on the feet and on the mat. I didn’t see Paulo mount any kind of significant offensive that whole fight, he just sat back and counter-uppercut Volkmann. I lose interest in fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd who don’t have the ability to drive the action, but it would seem I’m in the minority.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I didn’t see Paulo mount any kind of significant offensive that whole fight, he just sat back and counter-uppercut Volkmann.
You must have missed the part where Paulo dropped Volkmann twice, and all those dominant positions he got on the ground.
I missed none of it.
If you’re stating that it’s more fun for you to watch a counter-fighter than it is to watch an effective aggressor, then that’s fine. But none of what Thiago did had anything to do with him driving the fight, he just sat back waiting for Volkmann to make mistakes, and when Volkmann did make mistakes, Thiago absolutely capitalized.
Counter-fighters just aren’t any fun for me to watch. I totally recognize that these guys have to have the ability to fight defensively in order to survive, but so many of the Brazilians we see are nothing BUT counter-fighters. Hermes Franca is actually a phenomenal example of this, case in point being his fight with Sherk. I don’t think Hermes drove forward one single time in that fight, he just waited for Sherk to attack and then tried to drive his knee through Sean’s occipital bone by way of the orbital socket.
But yeah, nice try on your snark. Fail.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Volkmann appeared to have the worst shot in the history of all american wrestlers
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
MMA Editor - SBNation.com
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 22, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
didn’t rogan say he was a division one wrestler?
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
Yeah 3-time all american from U of Minnesatoa, runner up at US Greco Roman Nationals.
And his “shot” was almost non-existent…not skillwise…attemptwise.
Some call sloppy, some recognize that both guys were amazing with their center of gravity and each time one of them made a mistake, the other capitalized. I guess the new-age definition for that is “sloppy”
I scored it for Volkmann along with my very vocal “but the judges will give it to Thiago”
Ya know when you ASSUME the judges are going to see things a certain way, the judging is actually fairly easy to predict most times these days.
http://www.mmarecap.com
That's crazy
I personally had the fight 30-26 Griffin, though I find 30-27 and 29-28 Griffin acceptable as well.
Tito took off the 3rd round but I thought Ortiz won the 1st and could make an argument he won the second. You give Forrest credit for combo’s that had nothing on them.
combo’s that had nothing on them!? It’s more then what Tito did, just stand there and be treated like a human punching bag
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
He did drop Forrest on the ground each round for about a minute and landed some elbows. More damage than what Forrest had inflicted in round 1 & 2.
Agreed. I think Fagan’s off the mark here frankly.
Absolutely atrocious. I personally had the fight 30-26 Griffin, though I find 30-27 and 29-28 Griffin acceptable as well.
30-26? Really? Even Forrest was surprised when he got the 30-27. Forrest was making mince meat out of Tito in the third, but in the first Tito was far more effective. The second could have gone either way.
I’m not even the only one on this site who gave a 30-26. Forrest clearly took rounds 1 and 3. The question is if round 3 is 10-8, and how you score round 2.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
I had it 30-26 in the liveblog
Forrest controlled the action on the feet for all of 1 and 2, he got taken down in the first but Tito didn’t really do a whole lot with it, certainly not enough to nullify the stand up. The second was almost the exact same fight except Tito threw a little better gnp down and managed to cut forrest. But I still thought Forrest won the round.
Round 3 was Forrest busting up Tito with anything he wanted, Tito not landing anything and failing on his takedown attempts. It was a clear 10-8 in my eyes. One thing I’ve heard a lot of people say is it can’t be 10-8 because Forrest doesn’t have the power to hurt anyone. But that’s just incorrect.
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
MMA Editor - SBNation.com
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 22, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
And the recently released FightMetric report takes issues with their assessment as well.
Tito landed 5 blows the entire third round, lol.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
From past judging, I think typically 10-8s only tend to show up when there’s a threat of a finish. Usually this comes from a knockdown or something close to it. Forrest clearly outclassed Tito in all respects in the 3rd, and landed some great combinations, but the threat of an imminent finish was never evident. That’s from the judging I’ve typically seen – watching that round though, I wouldn’t have taken issue with people scoring that a 10-8.
That doesn’t change the fact that the first 2 rounds were very close though, and that Tito was more effective on the ground than Forrest was on the feet. If you don’t agree with the 29-28 call for Tito, fine, the first 2 were close rounds after all, but calling it atrocious only to go touting a 30-26 as a clearer choice seems silly. Frankly, from Forrest’s reaction to the 30-27 score for him, I think he’d agree with me.
I really don’t care how Forrest (or Tito) judged the fight. Neither is an impartial observer.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
Even Dana thought the 30-27 was off (and we know he's no Tito fan)...
I personally am not a huge fan of either fighter, but 30-27 was off the mark, and 30-26 is just silly…
Rnd 1 could have gone either way
Rnd 2 should have gone to Tito for both control and damage
Rnd 3 unquestionably went to Forrest (I’d give it a 10-9 since it didn’t seem at ANY point that Tito was near being finished, but I wouldn’t argue a 10-8 call)
Agreed.
While I had the fight for Forrest in the end – I could see Tito getting rd. 1 and 2 and I think he tried to ODLH is and coast through the 3rd and not take any risks to ride out the win. And I should iterate, that I say “I could see” because I’ve seen the awful, indefensible judging we’ve been getting these days, so I wouldn’t be surprised…
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
“Took off” – not took…no one is that drunk tonight are they?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Apparently I must have been slipped something against my knowledge.
My bad, apologies to bignerd for the dumb comment
I’m not sure how you can give Tito the first round.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
To be quite honest, round one was fairly close and I thought Tito might have won that one. He scored on the takedown and had some effective GnP. He didn’t take too much damage standing up or otherwise. Close round regardless. Round two was also close. He cut Forrest – something that tends to score with the judges (ask Marcus Davis) – and while he certainly got outclassed on the feet, he didn’t really take a whole lot of damage either standing or when Forrest reversed him.
Again, I thought both one and two were close rounds and I could see a judge liking the takedowns and the damage inflicted from the GnP of Ortiz to score it that way.
Let’s also put this into perspective. I am watching this fight right now on Core because I attended a party and missed the fight. I know Forrest won obviously. I’ve got it on pause after only having watched rounds one and two and had Tito won this, I would not have been anywhere near as upset as I was in the Rua/Machida fight or even in the Couture Vera fight.
by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2009 2:06 AM EST reply actions
Since when do judges follow that?
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
no kidding
Even taking the cut aside, it’s still effective GnP from Ortiz and can easily be scored as such.
by Cory Braiterman on Nov 22, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I do think such a glove is possible. Not anytime soon, but I wouldn’t write off the idea that it’s possible to create some kind of synthetic leather glove that allows full joint motion while keeping fingers covered.
Remember those bizarre gloves they were using in Pride on their first few shows when it was mma + K-1 style fights (I’m thinking the Branko Cikatic vs. Ralph White fight)…those gloves were some weird make and I believe had separated fingers but were padded up. I’m not dreaming that am I?
Maybe something along those lines would be better??
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
combo’s that had nothing on them!? It’s more then what Tito did, just stand there and be treated like a human punching bag
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 22, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions
it was Lester Griffin who scored the fight 30-27 for Forrest.
If you disagree, I dare you to challenge him:
What would have been matchmaking, IMO, would have been to hold off on the Randy Couture-Coleman announcement, and now give Ortiz-Coleman (a more suitable opponent to his skill level) and give Couture Griffin. Don’t get me wrong, I think Forrest would beat Randy, but both of them are coming off of wins over guys outside of the top ten. Now Dana probably faces the problem of who to give Ortiz to, and Couture will in all likelihood just clinch coleman to death.
I don't think Couture and Griffin would fight each other anytime soon
they’re close friends, training partners, and share many of the same coaches.
On Rogan being annoying
He called a heel to the eye socket an eye poke for a few minutes and after several replays. There was no such poke, it was a freaking foot to the eye. He didn’t even have the eye open, but there is only so much room an eye can be pushed back before it invades the brain space.
On Rumble’s knee to Kos’ head, It was a glancing blow if at all, it may have hit only forearm. He was poked in the left eye and his right eye had sympathy pain. Maybe there was a preceding poke, but maybe Kos wanted time to adjust his game plan. It looked like a Rumble fight until the stop. It really shifted the momentum.
One other point, I want Baroni’s “Sweat Activated Tanning Spray.” The man changed races during the fight. His skin is like the little indicator on a battery to see if it has any juice left.
Does anyone think Kos played that alleged eye poke off just to get awarded the penalty point? The knee was illegal, but the eye poke didn’t come from the knee.
I don’t even think the knee was illegal – any camera angle showing both the knee and Kos’s face didn’t show the two connecting.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 22, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you need to actually connect with the knee to the head for it to be illegal. It’s illegal to throw it regardless of where it lands.
What if it lands on the chest, even if intended for the head?
How do you justify that call? How do you penalize a legal strike simply because it could have been illegal, but wasn’t?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 22, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m trying to think of a situation where a guy could throw a knee at a grounded opponent’s head and hit him in the chest instead, but I can’t do it.
That knee was clearly intended for Koscheck’s head. There is simply no other plausible interpretation. That’s how you justify it.
Houston/Jardine - the final knee hits Jardine in the chest but may have been aimed for the head.
Also Huerta/Halverson – Huerta threw a diving knee that may have been aimed for the head, but hit the clavicle.
How do you determine when to make decisions based on intent instead of actual events? What if it gets brought before an AC? The ref rules using one set criteria, the fighter appeals with a different set, so how do you determine who’s correct?
Even if it was intended for the head, did it land on the head? If you try to knee the head, but miss altogether, is it still illegal because of your intent? If it didn’t hit the illegal area, how is it an illegal blow?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 22, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how something like this would play out if brought before the commission. But I certainly think Koscheck would have a case. The only reason it didn’t connect with his head is because he blocked it, which is a different situation than one in which the fighter throwing the knee misses. A significantly different situation, I think.
You’re probably right that that isn’t actually in the rules themselves, though.
The eye poke was legit,
but it happened before the start of most of the replay clips. It was Rumble’s right thumb that went into the medial and superior region of the left eye, and it looked pretty vicious. I’m still stunned the production team didn’t relay this info to Mike and Joe. I caught it the first replay.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Nov 22, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thiago/Volkmann weird, huh???
Good journalistic skills. I was thinking more on the lines of: A great job by Thiago beating a guy who he probably didn’t know much about, and an even better showing by Volkmann to get Thiago into situations that not even Jon Fitch did. Overall a great fight, and deserving of fight of the night. And forrest 30-26??? Are you colorblind to red? Yeah Forrest was able to take most of Tito’s punishment, but Tito did a hell of a lot of damage to Forrest in the first and second rounds. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have a problem with Forrest taking the win, but 29-28 Tito was not “atrocious”. BTW, I actually scored it 28-28, Tito with the first two, and Forrest 10-8 in the final.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 22, 2009 3:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Uhhhh . . . that’s when Tito dropped the elbow that had Forest’s eye gushing for the rest of the fight . . . yep, 2nd round. Maybe not enough to win but can’t say he didn’t do anything.
true, well sometimes i’m just so confused
like should that takedown and somewhat ineffective GnP win tito the 2nd round?
which category shoud carry more weight?
griffin did outpoint him but tito took him down
anyways 29-28 seems right to me
A) This is a blog. Don’t criticize “journalistic skills” on a recap on a blog, there are no journalists here.
B) Just because a guy bleeds doesn’t mean the other guy won the round. “Damage” is a concept that would matter much more were this pride.
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
MMA Editor - SBNation.com
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 22, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Idk about the rest of the people on here, but I’d just expect something better than just that a fight was “weird” from one of the top writers for one of the top blogs, whether it is a blog or not. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not, since you write for one I’d hope so, but blogs are actually becoming a respected form of journalism in most circles… Whether you get paid or not, if you expect to make a “post-fight analysis and recap” for a site, put in a little effort. And to B) I’m not saying JUST because he bled, but the shot that made him bleed was obviously the biggest and most damaging shot of that round and maybe even the whole fight. IMO, which doesn’t matter in the end, that one elbow was worth 10 of Forrest’s shots standing.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In the immortal words of Seth Green. Sorry, I, uhh, have a job.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 22, 2009 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a full time job that I do in addition to BE duties.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
I agree with you on the Paulo fight
calling a fight just “weird” is really non-sense to me. Might as well not mention it at all. I’m not saying he can’t call it weird, but at least give some analysis for the fight instead of a blunt statement.
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
I find 30-27 and 29-28 Griffin acceptable as well.
If 30 – 27 is an indication that Griffin won all 3 rounds then I don’t see how that can acceptable.
29-28 for either Griffin or Ortiz is fine, but neither fighter completely dominated the fight. Yes, the 3rd round was a lopsided win for Griffin but not the entire fight.
Check out my recent MMA drawings on my blog, drop a comment, or subscribe via RSS for updates http://www.scritchandscratch.com/blog/?tag=mma
now HERE'S a reason to never book Koscheck v. Hughes
Aside from complaining about groin pokes and eye kicks, nothing would fucking get done.
"The wise have something to say, the foolish have to say something."
What is so crazy about MMA gloves that enclose the fingernails so we don’t have so many eye pokes? I think that might look kinda kool. I doubt it would hinder the grappling aspect of the sport.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
The current gloves already hinder grappling to an extent. Adding more material would hinder it that much more.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
For all the talk about Tito's "conditioning"
Has there ever been a fight that left the first round where he wasn’t gassed?
MONEY WELL SAVED!!
Very happy I did not pay for this event. Sorry for all you suckers who did.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
Err...this was one of the best UFC events of the year...
sorry you missed it.
by Scott Haber on Nov 22, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I have to assume this is the only event you watched this year.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
I agree, I’m not sure why so many people are down on this card. Most of the fights were pretty good, eye pokes included. Even the causals at the bar loved it, more so than most cards.
If you take into consideration the main event another possible awesome fight were cancelled, the results of this card are that much more impressive.
Excellent Event...DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON UNKNOWNS!
Sorry…does NOBODY realize that Jacob Volkmann is not only a 3-time All-American for the University of Minnesota, but he also took second at the Greco Roman U.S. Senior Nationals?
Oh and he won a little thing called the world the World NoGi Grappling Championship in the Absolute division last year…
I picked him to beat Paulo Thiago. I scored the fight for Volkmann. And those of you who didn’t, I highly recommend rewatching the fight and carefully considering how you score striking versus near submissions. May as well get used to scoring them equally since the sport’s future judges will be asked to do so anyways.
Forgive the condescending tone…but how did NONE of the big MMA news sites know about this guy’s credentials? You don’t get to be 9-0 by dumb luck…even on the smaller promotional scale, 9 consecutive wins means you’ve got a little bit extra.
BTW…FOTN honors didn’t belong to Kos and Rumble. It was closer than when I first saw it, but Volkmann and Thiago earned that honor imo. And Kendall Grove got screwed too.
http://www.mmarecap.com
I’ll have to rewatch the fight, but I didn’t mind the scores. Round 1 went to Paulo, 2 to Volkmann, and 3 was close.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
Forgive the condescending tone…but how did NONE of the big MMA news sites know about this guy’s credentials?
Folks were mentioning his wrestling credentials on here. One of the staff members picked Volkmann to win as well.
Definitely a very close fight, I might have called it a draw myself (10-9 Thiago, and round 2 or 3 10-10 and the other 10-9 Volkmann). Might have to re-watch it, which would be a treat anyway since it was a rad fight.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
MMA Rankings
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
