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Gambling Spotlight: UFC 106


Jokes on everyone else.  I had Lifefail by Bacterial Infection, round 1 at +150000. 

Since you poor schmucks didn't hit the sweet line, I'll let you in on the other money making opportunities for this Saturday at UFC 106.

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Forrest Griffin

#5 Light Heavyweight
Former UFC LHW Champ

vs.

Tito Ortiz

#25 Light Heavyweight
Former UFC LHW Champ

-132 (Bookmaker) Best Line +125 (5Dimes)
30 Age 34
6'3" Height 6'2"
16 - 6 - 0 Record 15 - 6 - 1
3 / 7 TKO / SUB 8 / 2
Xtreme Couture Camp Team Punishment
L - Silva (TKO)
L - Evans (TKO)
W - Jackson (UD)
Last Three L - Machida (UD)
D - Evans
L - Liddell (TKO)

I liked this fight as a co-main with Lesnar/Carwin, but I think it's pretty bland as a standalone headliner.  The redemption angle for Forrest draws interest, but the fight itself shouldn't stray too far from the first.  And when you remove the name's involved, their first encounter wasn't particularly impressive.

Nothing and everything has changed since UFC 59.  Following a hiccup with Keith Jardine, Griffin defeated "Shogun" Rua and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson to briefly stand atop the 205 pound division before Rashad Evans derailed his success.  The superfight with Anderson Silva that followed ended with Forrest living up to his name.

Ortiz went on to beat up Ken Shamrock not once, but twice before Chuck Liddell obliterated him for a second time.  He later drew Rashad Evans in a dreadful fight, followed by getting the Mexican beaten out of him by Lyoto Machida at UFC 84.  Since then, Ortiz has been busy teasing Strikeforce, having trouble speaking for Affliction, and telling panhandlers to get a job (sir).

Their style and ability have gone nearly unchanged.  Forrest has refined his brawling style to a more sophisticated barrage of high-volume strikes.  Besides that, neither guy has made significant strides since 2005.  Ortiz and Griffin still don't have KO power because they seem unable to throw from their core.  Ortiz will still try to hit more doubles than Albert Pujols.  And with their cardio and workrate, we should expect a pretty high-paced 205 bout.

The difference in 2009 is that both guys are three-plus years older.  That means three more years of strain on Ortiz's notoriously bad back.  It means Forrest has three more years of experience, confidence, and time working with Xtreme Couture.  In MMA, three years makes a world of difference.

If you hopped on Griffin when the line opened.  Congratulations, you've been paying attention.  The line peaked at Griffin -180 before settling at the current price.  I like Griffin a lot under -150 and up to just under -200.  Ortiz will have to repeat the first fight to win this one, and while I think there's a significant chance that happens, it's much less likely in 2009.

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Anthony "Rumble" Johnson

#16 Welterweight

vs.

Josh Koscheck

#4 Welterweight

-125 (5Dimes/Bodog) Best Line +105 (5Dimes)
25 Age 31
6'2" Height 5'10"
8 - 2 - 0 Record 13 - 4 - 0
6 / 0 TKO / SUB 4 / 4
unknown Camp American Kickboxing Academy
W - Yoshida (KO)
W - Fioravanti (TKO)
W - Burns (KO)
Last Three W - Trigg (TKO)
L - Thiago (KO)
W - Yoshida (KO)

"Rumble" opened at a plus number, I missed it, and now he's a slight favorite.  If the fight reminds you of Koscheck/Alves, good job.  There's two significant differences I see on paper.  One, Johnson hasn't shown ability to defend takedowns (mostly because he hasn't really been tested), but he does have a wrestling pedigree that Alves lacked.  Secondly, and more pressing, how does Johnson fight off his back?  Rich Clementi tooled him on the floor two years ago, but we need to consider that 1) Johnson has improved his game since then and 2) Johnson took the fight on very short notice.  Also just like Thiago, there are concerns about the weight cut, so if you're froggy about that, I suggest you hold off until after the weigh-ins.

I've heard a lot of rumbling that Kos will run Johnson over, but I just don't see it.  I like a small (less than a unit) play on Rumble.Phil_baroni_vs_amir_sadollah_medium

Phil "The New York Badass" Baroni vs. Amir Sadollah
+180 (5Dimes/Bookmaker) Best Line -200 (Bodog)
33 Age 29
5'9" Height 5'11"
13 - 11 - 0 Record 1 - 1 - 0
9 / 2 TKO / SUB 0 / 1
American Kickboxing Academy Camp Xtreme Couture
L - Riggs (UD)
W - Alfonso (UD)
W - Verdadero (UD)
Last Three L - Hendricks (TKO)
W - Dollaway (SUB)

Remember how I hated on Mike Swick in the run-up to UFC 105?  Yeah, that's how I feel about Baroni, but the other way around.  There's just something about Phil, amongst all his faults and failures, that draws my adoration.  So, take the following with a grain of salt.  I kinda like the New York Bad Ass at the current price.  Sadollah, TUF aside, has two fights to his record.  He armbarred what has turned out to be a less-than-stellar prospect in CB Dollaway; and, early stoppage or not, got punched up by Johny Hendricks.  I also have serious doubts that Amir can take Phil down, which really hurts his chances to beat Baroni.  I like a half-unit flier on the NYBA.

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Antonio Rogerio "Minotoro" Nogueira

#9 Light Heavyweight

vs.

Luis "Banha" Cane

#10 Light Heavyweight

-140 (5Dimes/Bookmaker) Best Line +130 (Bodog)
33 Age 28
6'2" Height 6'2"
17 - 3 - 0 Record 12 - 1 - 0, 1 NC
4 / 6 TKO / SUB 8 / 1
Black House Camp American Top Team
W - Staring (SUB)
W - Matyushenko (TKO)
W - Rimbon (UD)
Last Three W - Cantwell (UD)
W - Sokoudjou (TKO)
W - Lambert (TKO)

The books just put this up, and the line opened the opposited of how I hope (though, it is the "correct" line).  If Rogerio was not a member of Familia Nogueira, I think I might be conducting an express train to Valuetown right now.  As it stands, the line looks fairly efficient.  Little Nog showed in the Shogun fight that he can pick apart Muay Thai strikers.  And Shogun is a lot more dynamic and technical than Cane, who tends to stalk (GOLDBERG!) in a plodding manner.

Both guys are tough and durable as all get-up, and I might make a play on this going to a decision.

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That’s what I like to see, Fagan. NYBA bets!

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Nov 20, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

I am taking NYBA and a pack of super models knocking down my door saturday to sleep with me, in a parlay. The super model thing could happen and then it would be a lock that two men will too gassed to back it past the 2nd round. You people hate money. The only thing we know Sadollah can do is the one thing that will crush Phil, weathering the storm and pouncing on a mistake late. Take the Colts to cover so you people will feel smart after this crushing defeat.

by szucconi on Nov 20, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Normally I’d be worried to agree with you on wagering, but this was so tremendous that I don’t care.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Engrish wins again. But seriously, I wanted to call you this morning and tell you to put money on the colts covering. and maybe the over because I think they will run it up. But this is me who thinks this, so maybe you should ignore me.

by szucconi on Nov 20, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There are three absolute truths in life:

Death
Taxes
The Colts beating the Ravens

Unless the line is 14 or worse, you take the Colts every time. But I don’t wager football.

I didn’t realize it until just now, but I’m up over 400% on the year wagering on MMA. How much does it suck that I didn’t have action on WEC? Oh well, I’ll probably put a sheckle or two down on 106.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You need to cut a check and send it to Big Cec. He saved your betting ass. And your 400% looks awful knowing you got one fight wrong on the entire WEC card and were out front on all those dog wins.

by szucconi on Nov 20, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Cec is getting his due. I mean, no, I’m not paying the man, but neither should any athletic commission.

Although Doc Hamilton is just as much to thank/blame on that scoring.

Shame about the WEC non-play, though. Could be up over 800% right now. Although now that I’m starting to have a real bank roll, I’m getting more nervous about throwing it around. The bets are getting smaller and I’m becoming more discerning in my parlays.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

So get lucky on the start and then bet smarter?

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Nov 20, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, both luck and knowledge of the fighters comes into play. But no, the first bet this year was a rather calculated parlay that worked out well for me.

When I started, I started small. I would bet the entire bank roll because, hey, if I lost, no big deal. But now that I have something resembling a real bank roll, I’m still betting (relatively) small amounts.

If I win and bet the entire bank roll, obviously that would work out better for me. While that’s somewhat tempting, it’s not worth the risk of losing most or all of my money in one shot to me.

I’m strictly a recreational gambler. I’m not addicted to gambling by any stretch, hence not thinking to actually wager on a card that I predicted with tremendous accuracy. If something catches my eye, I’ll put down a few bucks. If not, life goes on.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

the line in lake tahoe (harrah's line)griffin is -140. believe it or not the colt's/raven game is a pick em

i guess the handicappers think the colts will just lose one and this is their week. did you catch kenny florian on espn dicussing lesnar and the upcoming tito/ griffin fight. i think when kenny f. is done with his career he could become a good commentator.

yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 20, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean you don’t think he’s a particularly good commentator right now?

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

no it means that since he can't beat bj penn he is looking at other

options. i knew mma fighter’s were smarter than boxers. peace.

yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Bodog line is -1.5

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Nov 20, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna put some down on Baroni as a dog but after hearing of his rough weight cut I think I’m gonna stick with Amir. I might wait til the weigh ins to get a good luck at the NYBA.

by ufc4 on Nov 20, 2009 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Baroni has approximately 12x more experience than Amir.
Gotta go with the NYBA, even though his trash talking has mellowed with age.

Keep firing Assholes!

The only thing Fishbob does consistently is dissapoint.

by Ubernoober on Nov 20, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

I would love to bet on Baroni but I think he goes to sleep, either from Amir’s punches or just from being tired, near the end of R1.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 20, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree. This is going to look a lot like Amir’s last fight. I see Baroni pulling of repeat of his KO over Dave Menne. Hopefully we get to see the same victory speech as well.

by mburtoni on Nov 20, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Baroni pulling of repeat of his KO over Dave Menne.

You’re citing a Bill Pharoni fight from seven years ago to predict his performance in 2009.

I don’t think you should bet on this one.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not? Amir seems to have a weak chin, and Baroni plans on coming out guns blazing. I see him finishing Amir by KO or TKO in the first 30 seconds of the fight. I put 10 bucks in Baroni on Bodog, where he is +145

by mburtoni on Nov 20, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Your logic is odd to me. You’re citing a questionable stoppage from Amir’s most recent fight as evidence of Sadollah’s chin being weak, but then you’re going back seven years and one weight class to determine that Bill Pharoni is going to truck a bitch.

Unless he’s in there with Olaf Alfonso, I’m not too keen on picking Pharoni in 2009. You and I agree that he didn’t look particularly good against Joe Riggs, and that’s a red flag for me.

Although, since you already have money on your boy, I truly do hope it works out for you.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw your picks on Heavy, good stuff. Now get your undercard picks up like a real man.

by szucconi on Nov 20, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice use of “get a job (sir)”.

by Hardcharger on Nov 20, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Question About Bodog

This seems like the right place to ask about Bodog.

Is it a complete scam when they ask for your drivers license (and whatever else) in order to get your payout? I feel like it’s got to be a scam, and I really don’t want to send that information to some off shore holding company.

I mean, I’d like to get to my money, so if someone has personal experience getting paid out by Bodog and living in the US, educate me.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

I just requested my first payout from them the other day. Had to email them photocopies of the fornt and back of my driver’s license and credit card, plus give them my account #, etc. It seemed really shady, but considering how popular Bodog seems to be, I figure it’s safe. Just watch your account and make sure no weird charges pop up.

by mburtoni on Nov 20, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to do the same

The reasoning behind it, is to prevent credit card Charge-backs.

I.E

A degenerate gambler calling his credit card Co. and saying the charges were Bogus.

If you send in a copy of your license it.

A) shows you are 21

B) Shows that it was actually your credit card

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Nov 20, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but if I give them that information, some schlub can pretty much go hog wild with my identity and credit card info.

At least they don’t ask for an SSN.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Nov 20, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always been extremely wary of Bodog, although I don’t really have any particularly good justifications to back it up. Besides, the lines on 5dimes are usually good enough, and for a smalltime recreational gambler like me there’s not enough of a difference for me to care.

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz

by CasualMMAFan on Nov 20, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t go wrong with either site, really.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Nov 20, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, it’s pretty standard.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Nov 20, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Amir could beat Phil, but probably by submission.

However, if you haven’t seen any of Phil’s fights since he’s been at 170, he’s a whole new fighter. Even his loss to Joe Riggs was impressive.

by HeroCasey on Nov 20, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

I didn’t think it was all that impressive. But he won his first 2 fights at 170 by TKO against a couple of virtually unknown guys. With Amir being 1-1, he might as well be a virtual unknown, if not for having won TUF.

by mburtoni on Nov 20, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Time for Kos to become either GSPs next challenge, or continue being his gatekeeper

by HighNoon on Nov 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Good prop bet…Cane and Nogueira going to a decision. Better prop bet…Baroni and Sadollah not going to a decision.

MMAMoneyLine

by MMAMoneyLine on Nov 20, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

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