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Fedor Emelianenko Leaves the Ring and Enters the Cage

For the first time in his professional MMA career, Fedor Emelianenko will fight inside of a cage instead of a ring. Against a very large opponent with a lopsided skill set, it becomes to difficult to forecast how that will affect his performance. Will Fedor be bullied and bruised with his back against the fence or will his legendary ground and pound prowess become even more menacing as he traps opposition unable to hide underneath ropes?

Unlike CroCop prior to his fight with Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 70, Emelianenko hasn't dismissed the idea of training in a cage as essential. The Last Emperor has pledged to train in the cage in preparation for at least this bout, but the reality is he has experience using the cage in training for more than just a few months. The video above evidences at least some minimal exposure dating back several years.

One shouldn't under or overestimate this since there is a question of usefulness. That is, the idea that Emelianenko is going to be bewildered and overrun by a cage-savvy Rogers seems exaggerated (short of pressing the far smaller Russian into the fence in clinches or in top control). Conversely, training in a cage or cage-like environment is not tantamount to learning specific cage tactics from experienced veterans. Emelianenko constantly harps on how his techniques aren't as flashy as other fighters, but rather, are "battle tested" and therefore reliable. Does that mean his often sub-par and somewhat cage-inexperienced Red Devil teammates stepped aside in favor of training from those who know the ins and outs of off balancing, scooping, pressing, turning, dumping, punching, kneeing, pushing, pulling, clinch breaking and more against the fence? We won't really know until Saturday and may even find that Saturday won't answer many questions.

Therein ultimately lies the problem. Whereas CroCop was so ill prepared for the cage that one performance against Gabriel Gonzaga (and perhaps the inability to cut off the cage against Eddie Sanchez) revealed his obvious shortcomings, Rogers is the sort of opponent who may not tell us much. Should Emelianenko use his speed and open cage spacing to enhance use of angles or movement, he could keep the fight largely off the fence. In such a situation, we learn next to nothing. And even if Rogers finds a way to clinch and press Emelianeko's back against the fence, we still may not learn much. Fedor's takedown defense is mostly limited to single leg escapes, so should Rogers take Emelianenko down with a double leg scoop against the fence we haven't exactly arrived at revealing territory about Fedor's foibles.

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How he responds underneath could be more interesting. Emelianenko's legendary hip movement could be severely compromised by a cage-savvy opponent who presses the Russian's hips to the floor and neck and head into the fence. My bet, however, is that won't happen much or for very long. In addition to having hips useful for armbars or other attacks from the guard, Fedor also has highly underrated bridging and defensive hip heisting. Should he find himself underneath Rogers, I suspect you'll see the far superior grappler in Emelianko use explosive speed and exceptionally mobile hips to find a way out of even the smallest spacing Rogers will likely leave. A problem in grappling that large men often make is they rely on their size and base to do the positional smothering for them. Because most other large grapplers can't use small openings or gaps in spacing, they tend to not be aware with smaller opponents that an inch of space between hips can mean the difference between an escape and continued dominance.

Rogers will also have a significant size advantage. By pressing Emelianenko into the cage and forcing the Russian to carry his weight, it will be difficult to decipher where Fedor's problems begin with Rogers' size and end with tactical confusion or ignorance.

The reality is that it may take two or even three fights inside the cage for us to really know how Fedor's game translates across fighting platforms. We don't really know what he's picked up from training partners across the years, only what he's stylistically shown us in performances that never took place in a cage. How all of that translates is difficult to unpack.

My sense is that the learning curve is not as steep as it once was. Best practices in MMA are more widely available and known than ever before. And we are talking about arguably the most talented fighter on the planet. Even if he's behind the curve on cage tactics, he's ahead virtually everywhere else.

What I will be looking for is how adept Fedor on two considerations. First, Emelianenko's ability to stay off of the fence where as a stationary target he can be clobbered or controlled by the heavy-hitting Rogers. I expect to see a lot of turning and moving off of Fedor's cross. Second, Emelianenko has a storied career in escapes from bad positions, but I'm more concerned with how he'll prevent Rogers from putting him in a bad place to begin with should the fight move against the cage. Yes, Fedor can bridge out from underneath, but we'd know more if he used relentless underhooking to rip Rogers off of his hips when his back is against the fence only to turn the undefeated prospect, clinch break and resume fighting in the center of the cage.

The cage won't be so foreign to Emelianenko that Rogers can use it to sail to easy victory, but it won't be home either. Fedor will be the smaller man fighting a stronger opponent who is well-versed in tactical cage use. How Emelianenko responds is anyone's guess at this moment, but there are myriad unanswered and justified questions about how he'll adapt and successfully perform in this new environment. We know the difference between the cage and the ring matters in high-level professional, but how much will it matter for Fedor?

Saturday we might find out.


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I’m wondering what’ll happen if Rogers decides to gong ‘n’ dash Fedor like he did AA. If he can bully Fedor up against the cage, Fedor won’t be able to move around as easily as in a ring, where ropes give more freedom to maneuver. I’m guessing that’ll be Rogers’s strategy. If it goes deeper into the fight, Rogers will be at a disadvantage, and he probably knows that.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t see Fedor dropping straight back if Rogers tries to rush him like AA did. AA didn’t look like he expected it and was like a deer in headlights when it happened. I think Fedor’s instincts are a lot better then AA for picking defensive angles. With his Sambo Fedor is also more apt to use Rogers’ momentum against him and take him down or put him in the cage with a toss.

by YoungGun on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it looks like it ll be Rogers’ strategy.
The thing is AA didn’t want to clinch and he just moved backward to keep a good distance and got mauled against the cage. If Rogers tries to rush in, Fedor might just shot for the td as soon as possible.

by bawzz on Nov 2, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This question has been asked for YEARS, and many even brought it up before as to why Fedor never signed with the UFC. Others have said that Fedor would be even more unstoppable if he could pin you against the fence and tee off on you, or take you down and GnP you to death. This subject has been discussed for what seems like an eternity, and it will be nice to see it come to fruition.

This will be just one of the small elements that make this card very interesting to watch. Another for me is if Shields will have the ability to stop or submit Mayhem, which is incredibly tough to do. Will Werdum be able to take down Antonio Silva (a BJJ black belt in ATT) and submit him? Will Sokoudjou add Mousasi to the list of fighters that were supposed to demolish him (Arona, Lil Nog) but got HL Reeled KO’ed instead? Tons of intrigue and topics to discuss until then. Thats not mentioning the awesome Roxy vs Coenen fight or the prelims. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think this whole night will have dominating performaces by

Werdum – If Ricco gave Silva trouble I think Werdum will give him even more fits.

Shields – Maybe I’m stupid but I dont believe in Mayhem. It will probably be a decision loss but if he cant beat Jacare and Trigg I dont see him beating Shields and yes I’m well aware that the Trigg loss was 3 years ago.

Mousasi – Sokoudjou has no chance in my mind. Mousasi is that good.

Fedor – I keep hearing this he better not get clipped bs. Sorry I dont see it. I could see this fight going down like the Sylvia fight. Rogers isnt bad Fedor is just that good.

by bigdmmafan on Nov 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Antonio Silva was hurt against Ricco and couldn’t sprawl or go for takedowns.

Sokou gave Machida a harder time than Rashad and Silva combined. Not mention beating Lil Nog and Arona.

Rogers is not dumb enough to try and keep Fedor at bay with weak jabs.

=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No stupid, dig up.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor > Sylvia > Rogers > Arlovski

 Fedors gonna to take it easily, Rogers has a punchers chance, so did Sylvia … and Arlosvky …….but hey.

by DRExLOC on Nov 2, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

With Fedors skill level it doesn’t matter where the fight takes place. The other guy is taking a beating. Kind of like with Mousasi.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Luke

You touch on quite a few points on the possible weaknesses that Fedor might have fighting in a cage and how they might be exploited. While they are all interesting points, I HIGHLY doubt Rogers is the cage savy tactical wizard to pull itt all off. It would take someone with exceptional cage control and knowhow to make any of that come to fruitition. If Fedor would indeed be susceptible such control, by the time he fights that person he’ll already have had at least 1 fight under his belt.

by soadtrails on Nov 2, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think if Rogers catches Fedor he has a chance

to make him very angry.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 2, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This could be complete B.S., and probably won't make a difference against rogers, but...

I believe that Fedor’s lack of familiarity with the environment may have a significant impact on the fight.

In a boxing ring the horizon line is at a very natural height for your eye. If you’re used to working in this space it can be very disorienting to enter a tall black cage, which can feel pretty dimensionless.

Just look at what happen’s to USA basketball when it plays on the international courts—movement in time and space is relative and it can take some getting used to.

Fedor’s 1 meter high white cage won’t prepare him for the spatial issues.

by casey manrique on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What’s the difference between US & Int’l basketball courts?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The international courts are metric.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 2, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The “key” has a different shape too which influences how long you can be in a position for a certain amount of time.

My point is athletes who aren’t familiar with their suroundings are at a disadvantage despite their abilities.

by casey manrique on Nov 2, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

throwin it out there one last time. fedor has the flu, per his twitter thingamadoo. wont make him lose, but may slow him down.

and my picks:
fedor-armbar in the 1st
mayhem-decision
mousashi-triangle/arm bar combo in 2nd
big foot- 2nd round tko

by Headkick on Nov 2, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor does not have the flu. Spreading misinformation isn’t a very cool thing to do. http://www.5thround.com/news/14756/fedor-emelianenko-does-not-have-the-swine-flu/

by TopperHarley on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

At least he doesn’t have horse flu.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah it was my attempt to change the betting odds so fedor would be the underdog. i tried to trick you and i woulda gotten away with it too if it werent you and your meddling dog.

by Headkick on Nov 3, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bro

Mousashi is retired :P

(i have a little K1 knowledge)

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 3, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor won't have any problems in the cage.

I’m not a huge Fedor fan, but I do recognize that he has an uncanny way of winning, no matter what situation he’s put in. It may be a little rough at first in the cage, but I don’t think it’ll have any real bearing. I just don’t think Rogers is that good either. He’s going to get surprised by Fedor’s speed and punching strength.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah i dont see fedor having problems either

Remember when Fedor was joining PRIDE FC after his run as a champ in RINGS?
RINGS org doesnt allow fighters to GN’P the face of the opponent. U know what Fedor did in his first fight in Pride? Killing people on the ground with some vicious ground n pound.

Fedor is a natural fighter with very keen senses and an ability to make quick efficient judgement in fight. Not to mention, Fedor’s big strength is in the clintch.

in short, The Last Emperor will be supreme once again

You have to beat the legend, in order to become the LEGEND
-Melvin Manhoef (after his destruction of Sakuraba)

by chopstickthugz on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If anything the cage gives the standup striker less of an advantage against an opponent with good quick footwork because their opponent can constanly circle and run away (the big obtuse angles making them hard to corner) ala Machida and kalib Starnes. Not that Fedor has ever really played the run away game versus a striker.

Also Fedor’s ground and pound game with elbows and a cage, Ouch!

by TheBeaves on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no elbows...

Strikeforce rules…no elbows

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who compares Machida and Starnes obviously doesn’t know the first thing about MMA.

by ufc4 on Nov 2, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I don’t know why some people keep comparing the two. It’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard repeated by a select number of people over the past week. I’d be ashamed as a mofo if I ever said anything that stupid.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Nov 3, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been happening lately because of

Cecil Peoples’ comments on Machida-Shogun about making the other fighter come to you being classed as effective Octagon Control.

by Cunny on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didnt say they fought the same so dont read between the lines. The fact is they are too excellent examples of being impossible to corner because there aren’t any corners to corner them in the cage is virtually round. Nate Quarry could not back and keep Kalib against the cage. Neither can anyone do it to Machida. They were good examples of my point about the cage.

If anyone deserves to be ashamed it is you two for being unable to read and properly interpret a pretty clear statement without being douchebags about it.

by TheBeaves on Nov 3, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, it is YOUR fault for making such a ridiculous comparison. Starnes is not an “excellent example of being impossible to corner”, ANYONE could do what he did. What Machida does is very difficult to duplicate and makes what Shogun did to him all the more impressive. There’s a reason Machida is undefeated while Starnes got cut, they are nothing alike.

by ufc4 on Nov 3, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say their styles are alike, yes alot of other people could do what Kalib did. The fight itself is an excellent example of THE CAGE making it hard for people to be cornered. Machida’s fights are also excellent examples of NOT BEING ABLE TO BE CORNERED AGAINST THE CAGE. Did I say Kalib shows an excellent elusive ability? No I don’t recall saying that. Did I say Machida just runs away from his opponent? No I didn’t say that either.
There is nothing ridiculous about the comparison of neither of them being cornered in THEIR FIGHTS!
You just like to think of yourself as an elite mma expert who gets to correct and ridicule people because he can’t interpret sentences are correctly.

If making faulty interpretations and using them to lord your mma knowledge over others gives you pleasure then you need to get out more. I was talking about the fights, If you didnt respond like a dick the minute you misunderstood my initial post I could have clarified what I said.

But you were a dick and here we are.

by TheBeaves on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m picking Rogers because he made a video against dogfighting where he has an adorable puppy.

Rogers by KO, 1.

Keep firing Assholes!

I am the King of Rome, and am above grammar. -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor

by Ubernoober on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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