Renzo Gracie Won't Be Making His UFC Debut Against Matt Hughes
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 12:57 PM EST
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I spoke to Renzo Gracie yesterday at the Renzo Gracie Academy in New York, and contrary to earlier rumors, he won't be fighting Matt Hughes in his Octagon debut. The match up though has indeed been talked about and will most likely happen, but it was actually negotiated for his second UFC fight, and not the first.
No word yet on when or who he will debut against, but for the most part it seems like the UFC management wants him to shake off the rust and to re-introduce him to the fans first before taking on Matt Hughes. Nothing is final yet, so for the mean time, he is helping his cousin Rolles Gracie get ready for his UFC debut against Mostapha Al-Turk this February.
On a side note, Matt Hamill also made the trip to New York to train with Rolles, Renzo, and the other members of Team Gracie to help him prepare for his December 5. match up against Jon Jones.
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I thought Team Renzo Gracie was part of the Team Jackson umbrella. I know that Kru Phil Nurse and Renzo are good friends as I’ve trained with both.
what do you mean?
I didn’t mention anything about that.
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Could be because Jon Jones is training with Jackson, and Hamill is training with Renzo.
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That’s what I’m saying. Jones is training with Tristar which is part of the Jackson Network. Renzo as far as I know, is part of the same network.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Kenny Florian is also with Tristar,
and he’ll be fighting Clay Guida who’s at Jacksons… they’re training at different gyms with different coaches anyway..
Carwin also trained with Bobby Lashley, but helped out Waterman at a different jackson’s gym.. (he was supposed to fight lashley at the time)
I don’t think those kinds of things are that big an issue, unless they’re close friends who train in the same gym everyday.. Plus, I asked if Hamill was regularly here, the instructor said no, his main camp was different, and just made the trip to train with them now..
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. It’s different with the “affiliated” gyms than, say, the situation where two fighters were training at Xtreme Couture and got scheduled to fight each other, then one had to leave. Jackson has the guys he trains on a regular basis, and then the affiliated guys who he helps to gameplan for when they get into the middle stage of a camp preparing for a specific fight.
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also, slightly unrelated, but
Hamill has better cardio than what i thought. he was rolling non stop with different guys.. and didn’t seem to want a break. He rolled several times with Rolles, and when they stopped, Rolles took a break, Hamill just went on with several other partners. he rolled with andre gusmao also if i remember correctly. after all that, he got more BJJ tips from Renzo..
(Rolles looked muchhhhhh bigger in person haha)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
is that what you're doing in Dubai? ;)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
i've heard about those rumors too, but I want to know, that if that does push through, if it will be for his first fight,
or the one against Hughes?
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have zero doubt that this fight was being worked for an early UFC in 2010. Whether Renzo knew it or not. ;) I still have doubts he will fight anyone before Hughes. The risk-reward ratio makes a tuneup fight untenable.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 17, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
well he did say we talked about that, but “they wanted it for my second fight..”
he said it will happen, but for his second fight….
so that’s not from just Renzo, but also from the UFC..
and if it was for early 2010 it won’t be on Jan or Feb.. he has also told gracie mag that he won’t fight at that month..
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
The UFC didn’t want it for his second fight. They wanted it for his first fight.
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i don't know.
but that’s not what he said.
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
If Renzo himself says “they wanted it for my second fight” maybe you know…theres more to the story than you know?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
These things have moving parts, but I can unequivocally say that when we reported Renzo-Hughes, that was the plan. No question about it. I’m still not convinced it isn’t the plan, but am digging.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe you just referenced this. This is a constant joke with a friend. He quotes an interview about the Prince. “He flys me out, I eat like king, and then we roooooll” say it in the classic Brazilian accent until it is funny. trust me, it will become funny.
Yeah, it made me laugh to see that reference, too.
Here’s the article. It turns out I made up the line about “then we rooooool.” Oh well, my way is funnier.
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by Brett Jones on Nov 17, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The “I eat like king” is my fav, but it’s the roooool that gives the bit something special. And yeah, yours is way funnier to the two of us. No one else will ever think its funny. Krisitn gives me the stink eye when I add “ann den we rooooll” onto everything I say.
Get rid of her.
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That was a great article. Thanks for the link.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
If Abu Dhabi is anything like Dobai I would prefer that the UFC stay away. I’m not much of a moralist but I don’t believe in rewarding places built on modern slavery.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve been to Dubai. Place seems amazing until you realize that only 20% are citizens, and poor laborers are shipped into special camps where they have no rights and get screwed over all the time. And westerners don’t care because they get a cheap indian or fillipino maid who has to do anything they say or go to jail or be sent back with all their pay withheld. The place is seriously fucked up. Do a google search on Dubai and slaves and prepared to be pissed.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don’t think that’s exclusive to dubai only.. i think that happens in other places in the Middle east too.
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Gulf states are the only ones I’ve noticed with such a caste system. In Jordan there iare strains between Jordanians, Palestinians, and now Iraqis but they seem to have some equal opportunities and protections. The state doesn’t seem to be setting up different legal rights. And Jordan also isn’t incredibly wealthy.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Gulf states are the only ones I’ve noticed with such a caste system. In Jordan there iare strains between Jordanians, Palestinians, and now Iraqis but they seem to have some equal opportunities and protections. The state doesn’t seem to be setting up different legal rights. And Jordan also isn’t incredibly wealthy.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m just wondering why you think any of this has anything to do with MMA. The UFC shouldn’t go there because of social issues? They’d have to stay out of a whole lot of countries if that were the case. Things like this happen in many countries, including western ones.
In addition, I’ve been to Dubai too, lots of times. This isn’t the forum for an in-depth discussion on this, but what you’re saying is perverting the issue to a great degree.
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Like I said I’m generally not a moralist and I usually don’t expect businesses to be saints, but here is a place much like apartied south Africa where such pressures from private business would go a very long way. I recommend you read Jonathan Hari’s article on Dubai. Eye-oppening.
And maybe AD isn’t as bad? I understand Each emirate is different and I’ve only been to Dubai so it’s all I got to go off of.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Abu Dhabi will host the first show and Dubai will host the second UAE show.
Throw away your sneakers and half the things you own because the guy who made it makes about 2 bucks a day to 2 bucks a week depending on the brand.
This is far from slave trading when the reality is these laborers have it worse back at home and you’re whining wont do anything to solve the problem… it’s technology that’s solving it. You know the industry that’s progressing so fast that it’s hard to fuck by unionization and government regulations.
Unionization and government interference has fucked up every damn industry known to man and the only thing that has kept it from ruining our entire existence is free enterprise.
believe in free enterprise – it works and it’s one of the most powerful forces in civilization.
you’ve never read The Jungle, have you? Any viewpoint comes with a dangerous extreme attached.
Would you rather dissolve the USDA and let people tamper with your food?
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by judonerd on Nov 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
do you realize how many people get food poisoning? the way food is made today you can actually classify it as “tampering”.
Corporations now run and regulate themselves… look at all the heads of each body and all the key players… they all come from the same industry they try to regulate and they go back with a nice fat employment package to the same industry after their done with their government job “regulating”.
When Government has too much power (with the ability to tax, subsidize, and regulate) it becomes corrupt as that’s where companies go to maintain their synthetic and engineered competitive advantages.
Oil companies have locked out potential competitors by engineering the tax code and subsidies. Almost every industry from banking, to pharma to education has stagnated and eroded because they were able to manipulate and engineer fake “competitive advantages” primarily because the amount of interference and control government has.
Compare Singapore and Cuba and you have a picture of what free enterprise is and what central planning/price control is. Singapore has one of the highest quality of life indexes for its citizens and cuba has one of the worst.
A free enterprise nation is not perfect and it’s not supposed to be. It’s organic, it self corrects and it develops and progresses civilizations and cultures faster than anything else.
Take a few moments
and familiarize yourself with the British Parliament’s investigation into child labor during the 1830s and remind me again how government regulation is always a bad thing.
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by Rundownloser on Nov 18, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I agree but without governments we would be eternally stuck in inefficiency to a point it would be dangerous. Governments are incompetent and corporations are powerful, but without monetary and fiscal policies of the government we would be much worse off. The best thing is a mixed economy,as both absolutes (command and laissez-faire or free-market economies) are proven to not work in the long run. So be careful when advocating laissez-faire because although the USDA overlooks a lot or not (i wouldnt know), it has still avoided the spread of many diseases and harmful components in foods.
Governments give large benefits to the population, and a free market worldwide would ensue in a terrifying increase in poverty and a decrease in quality of life. Singapore’s government is exactly totally free enterprise, it motivates free enterprise so it isn’t stepping away exactly.
by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 17, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Guys can we stay on point and not talk about governments, politics etcetc..?
Thanks.
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
But he started it! :)
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
You don’t think Cuba has a few confounding variables impeding its progress? Like the trade embargo the US has imposed on them since 1960? Hardly a clean comparison.
And why isn’t government intervention a form of “self correction”?
Don’t get me wrong, socialism in its pure form is extremely idealistic and takes no account of human nature and greed, but unrestricted, unregulated capitalism is hardly a bible worth banging on either.
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by judonerd on Nov 17, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re right Government intervention is a form of correction… but it’s synthetic and centrally planned. It’s not organic and market based. With the amount of variables involved in any society the best correction is the organic and market based one.
i would love to continue this discussion until its slammed into the right edge of this web page. but im not gonna.
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I am not talking about sweat shops and poor working conditions. I’m talking about men from poor indian and Bangladeshi villages being decieved into coming to Dubai, having their passports taken from then, forced to live in camps out of sight of the residents and visitors, forced to work 12-14 hour days, everyday for 1/4 the wages they’ve agreed to and having no recourse to the law. In fact the authorities are complicit in this. This isn’t the Phillipines, or Vietnam, or Honduras were people accept to work for cheap wages, this is where people are forced to work for basically nothing because they were suckered by an “agent” in a place where the GDP of it’s citizens is higher than the US. That’s not capitalism, that’s the economy described in the Gulag Archipelago.
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
can we stop this conversation already please?
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’m done. But if the UFC does go to Dubai can I bring it up again?
by John Nash on Nov 17, 2009 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Abu Dhabi has essentially the same policies… It’s not highlighted because it didn’t develop as fast as Dubai so less labor was needed but it’s the same scenario.
So why are you in Dubai again?
Zuffa sent you there? ;)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
wow, zuffa does have a lot of money to waste.. haha. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
The market has spoken… Indians have stopped coming as their own economy is growing and they can make more back at home.
The laborers that were here are now considered “premium” workers back at home because of the experience they had here. They have an advantage over the other guys and are being compensated as such.
Now filipinos, Indonesians, etc… are coming. and guess what? they will be taking the experience back home and one day the Philippines and Indonesia will flourish.
Like I said free enterprise develops and progresses civilizations and cultures faster than anything else.
Anyway… Anton is right.this is getting way off topic so I’m done with my spiel.
thank you.
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
took it down, since i was dumb and posted it a day earlier. haha
it will be back tomorrow. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Renzo's Weight
I’m going to ask a question I should really know the answer to, but at what weight class will Hughes v. Renzo take place?
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I hope it's at 170..
He did make 170 at the last time he competed at the ADCC right?
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by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would be at 170. I remember Renzo saying a while ago that he’d make a comeback at 155, but you can never tell when Renzo’s BSing or not though.
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What, does he want to have another go at BJ or something?
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by Brett Jones on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
What about that old old rumor of Miletich vs Renzo?
Hahaha.
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