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Georges St Pierre Talking Moving Up to Middleweight, Isn't Afraid of Anderson Silva

Photo by Ken Pishna via MMA Weekly

Dave Meltzer gets the story:

He's up from his usual 187-188 pounds as his walk-around weight to 195-196, and said he's slowly developing muscle that he will maintain. At the same time, he emphasized that his athletic performance comes second to his health, and despite competing in a dangerous sport, he is not going to take any steps that would hinder his long-term well-being.

The 28-year old St. Pierre said that if he gets up to 200 pounds, he may have to move up a weight class. He's noted that he goes against middleweights, light heavyweights and heavyweights in training all the time, and does very well against them.

The key is whether St. Pierre can continue to make 170 without a problem. He said if and when the cut becomes too drastic, that's when he'll stop. It's in that next class up where Anderson Silva, his much talked-about potential future opponent in what would be one of the biggest matches in company history, resides as champion.

"I'm not afraid of any man in the sport," said St. Pierre in reference to Silva, who along with St. Pierre and Fedor Emelianenko are the three fighters most debated for the No. 1 pound-for-pound spot.

A GSP vs Anderson Silva match would be the kind of epic match that the UFC is increasingly desperate for. Dan Hardy could certainly shock the world by upsetting GSP (see Serra, Matt), anything can happen in MMA. But going into that title fight it will be a very hard sell to convince fans that they are seeing GSP truly challenged.

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GSP can beat Anderson Silva.

There I said it. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

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by Damon O. on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Either one could win, that’s why it’s such an exciting matchup!

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Anderson Beats Grease St Pierre there i said it

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by pitbull187 on Nov 16, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

GSP will be to slick for Anderson to handle :)

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by Damon O. on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see the day where GSP does one of his awesome slams and then slip and slides right over the guy Tash in Van Wilder style. Silva looks like a good surface.

by b_radical on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, rec’d!

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I lol’d

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by Damon O. on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

i just almost spit my water onto my laptop…awesome

by bluejitz on Nov 16, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Much respect for GSP, but I can’t see how he’ll win this fight at all. Can he take Andy down every round and keep him down? I doubt it very much.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Why? You think Silva’s the better wrestler?

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

no, but neither was he the better wrestler against hendo. The thing is, the only way I can see GSP beating Andy is taking him down and keeping him there for 5 rounds ala Andy vs Hendo first round, and that’s just very difficult to do. Anderson will be the bigger man too.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

possibly bigger weightwise

but i’d go so far to say that GSP is the stronger fighter already.

by Austin Martin on Nov 16, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt that

Big Nog has said that Silva’s stronger than he is.

by Hesperus on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He mixes his striking in with his wrestling much better than Dan

If he gets big enough, I truly believe he has the best chance of beating Anderson, and that’s the way he would have to do it.

by Neil Manich on Nov 16, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus GSP doesn’t have the same tendency to deviate from the wrestling gameplan to throw huge windmilling right hands that Dan does.

by JRN on Nov 16, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Only one way to find out. People didn’t see how shogun stood a chance against machida right? He didn’t even had yoda (props to shogun’s trainers btw, they should be up there with jacksons for “solving” the machida) puzzle.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I gave Shogun a chance :P In fact, I predicted him winning (which he did). But greg jackson failed at the Machida puzzle, he could fail at the Anderson puzzles as well!

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he could, maybe he will, but:

I can’t see how he’ll win this fight at all

Seems to me like you didn’t even try.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried, I give GSP a chance at taking Andy down and G’N’P him, but to be realistic I can’t see him doing that throughout all five rounds and not getting KO’d somewhere in the middle.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you’ve seen too much Silva/Griffin XD.
If I follow you, it’s like once A.Silva gets up from GSP’s takedown (first, congratulations) then GSP gets KO’d, and there is no way around it. How is this more realistic than GSP taking him down for five rounds? And who said it would last five rounds? I don’t say GSP will win no matter what, but I can certainly say he got the tools.

The more I talk about it the more I want to see the damn fight!

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, let’s see, GSP’s last KO against top competition was in 2006 against Hughes, since then he decisioned everybody who’s top talent or made them quit (this is not a knock on the guy, but I think it’s enough to give Anderson the upper hand that he would not be KO’d by GSP, since he has never been KO’d and GSP haven’t KO’d anybody legit since 2006 in his weight class, and I can’t see Anderson quitting).

Anderson real losses have come by submission, one while standing (scissors, which we’ll probably never see it again), and one coming from side mount. The closest we have seen of Anderson being ground and pounded was by Lutter (in which Anderson had two knee surgeries prior to the fight), and once by Hendo (which Hendo was not able to hurt Anderson at all). I think GSP’s GnP is better than Hendo’s, but I think given Anderson’s body size, he’ll be able to lock GSP’s attacks and get the fight restarted if the fight hits the ground, in which Andy will have plenty of opportunity to put GSP to sleep. Sure, GSP has a chance, anybody does, but it’s not going to be a good fight for him at all.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

All of this will depend on how much size GSP actually gives up. It’s safe to say that he’ll be significantly bigger than he is now. Let’s say he’s 10 pounds lighter than Hendo, GSP will probably be way quicker and way more skilled than Hendo, which in my eyes would more than make up for the size disadvantage.

Also, GSP is better at avoiding strikes than Hendo (but I don’t think GSP has the chin that Hendo has).

by Dooda on Nov 16, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Anderson is just so much bigger though, I mean it reach wise, his limbs are like…

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s just agree right now never to call Anderson Andy. Kthxbai

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by J. B. Maddox on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’d bet Dan Henderson is.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Nov 16, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He’ll take down silva. He can win if he does that.

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by IHateMMA on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

but for all five rounds?

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure why not? He did it to Alves

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy is no Alves though…

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Is his takedown defense that much better than Alves though? I’m not sure it’s any better. Silva would have a size advantage though, so it’s not like Alves where it was pretty equal. I just don’t see him stopping GSP’s takedown with anything but a fist, failing that he’s gonna be on his back a lot.

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy has been working on his wrestling a lot supposedly, going to College campuses in the US to train with college students. But I agree that GSP can take him down, I just don’t think he can do it continuously. Anderson however, as soon as he finds his distance and the timing of his opponent, he’ll let it loose and go for the kill (unless he’s fighting lesser competition, which would not be the case against GSP).

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP has been working a lot on his MT, I hear. I think Andy can get up from a takedown, I just don’t think he can do it continously. GSP, as soon as he finds his distance and timing, will let loose and hammer that sucker into the mat.

It works either way, I think.

by ununkvadrium on Nov 16, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t :P

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it does! Come fight night we’ll see which description was closer to the truth. I can definetly see it happening both ways.

by ununkvadrium on Nov 16, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

we’ll see, I would like to see this fight though, it’s a megafight and the UFC needs it given the current situation.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. And I need it. Because I honestly believe that GSP @ 185 is the biggest challenge (that is still competitive) for Andy. Same goes for GSP.

by ununkvadrium on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you, GSP is amazing but I don’t see how he takes it. With Anderson’s height and reach advantage GSP is going to have to eat a lot of strikes to try and take down a backpeddalling Anderson.

by John Nash on Nov 16, 2009 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Silva is better on his back than Alves.

by Hardcase on Nov 16, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Bj is better off his back then Silva

by Neil Manich on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe technically but as far as strength, length and technique together go, I don’t know that you can make that claim.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I think Bj could do very well in a pure grappling match with much bigger fighters. Of course, I also thought Bj could beat Georges.

by Neil Manich on Nov 16, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure he could but that doesn’t mean his main disadvantage (strength and length) didn’t have a big effect on his inability to get out from under GSP.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Nov 16, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And GSP had a good strength advantage that helped him maintain position on BJ, a strength advantage he may not have against Silva. I don’t doubt GSP taking Silva down. It’s keeping him down and not paying the price for it like he did against Alves, Fitch, and BJ that I question.

by Hardcase on Nov 17, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

does he have a better shot at better silva

than hardy does of beating GSP?

GSP and Anderson should be the next TUF. It would be incredible

by Austin Martin on Nov 16, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome

The first TUF i’d actually watch.

by Neil Manich on Nov 16, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem is Andy can’t keep up a conversation in English though, so the whole season would be subtitled.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take that any day over bad coaching

Besides, they subtitle all the Brits anyway.

Anderson Silva’s guest appearance on TUF season 8 was one of the few cool and entertaining parts of that season. I think he’d be a great coach, and it would be an excellent way to help raise his popularity among fans. Although subtitles aren’t ideal, it’s certainly is much better and more natural than having to do conversational ping pong with Ed Soares.

Welterweights and middleweights with some world class coaching behind them would surely produce much better fights than the stinkers this season. As an added bonus, Silva and GSP wouldn’t be constantly talking smack, so we might actually get to see something interesting like training instead of juvenile pranks and door bashing.

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by CasualMMAFan on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I’d love for the idea of having Anderson coach, but to be realistic I don’t think Spike would be interested (and rightly so), because it would probably be one of the least watched seasons. I think his fighters would have to be Brazilian because I don’t think he can coach in English, so it would have to be a USA vs Brazil gig, and even though they had subtitles for the English, it’s still English, this would be a totally different language…

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ve missed a few good ones.

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You should check out seasons 3 through 5.

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Nov 16, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be Epic

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by Damon O. on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

plus it would give both time for recovery

by Austin Martin on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

At least it would give time for gsp to build up.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That’d be a lot of funny voices.

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes GSP has a much better chance against Silva than Hardy does against GSP.

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he had two knee surgeries before that fight though, and after the fight he was limping around.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s possible he could try that and win a decision. Silva’s dangerous off his back too though, and five rounds is a lot of time for Silva to get in some strikes. If he gets some combinations going, or gets GSP in the clinch, than Silva can win if he does that too.

by Hardcase on Nov 16, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Nerd alert

“You will be. You will be. "

by joerogansvnecktee on Nov 16, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops

I’m glad to see I’m not the first nerd here!

by joerogansvnecktee on Nov 16, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OK I GET IT!

I took a 4 hour exam today for PMP (Project Managment Professional) accredidation and my brain was fried when I wrote that.

I passed.

by casey manrique on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang

I figured a PMP accreditation would be way more… well… Ok, I’ll say it, it’s misleading. Unless the projects you manage will be hos.

by pdl on Nov 17, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

*ahem*

Yoda: “You will be. You will be.”

/nerd

by CstBoog on Nov 16, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

I knew I should have called my little brother before writing that.

As a nerd you can at least appreciate it’s application given the context though, eh?

by casey manrique on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP > Dan Hardy

GSP ?=? AS

What if? At least its a fight worth watching. Silva has shown weakness on the floor, he won’t have an incredible weight advantage, and GSP can certainly put enough weight on his frame. Someone with his genetics and mental strength can absolutely do it. Plus, he isn’t at a drastic reach advantage and his one key strength is an area of weakness for silva. GSP could win

by Austin Martin on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

and GSP’s greatest weakness is his hands, according to Dana White. That is why this fight would be soo awesome.

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by Bandaka on Nov 16, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Who wouldn't?

I don’t think anyone in the world can beat Anderson Silva. They would all get Franklin’d.

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How concise

Maybe name someone?

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably only some crazy Spec Ops guy lost in the wild who never had his “Don’t Kill” wiring reattached, Rambo-style.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Paulo Thiago. Outside the cage.

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by iiowyn on Nov 16, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Gegard?

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by dedstrk316 on Nov 16, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Vitor could beat him right?

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying that no one here can name mixed martial artists, give some reasons.. And no, Gegard— while high on the list of prospective challengers, wouldn’t have a high probability of beating Anderson. I’m also not saying that other fighters couldn’t possibly beat him (given percentages of possible success), I’m saying it’s severely unlikely. GSP, Gegard, Vitor, Machida, Fedor all included. I think Anderson is essentially going to have to beat himself.

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor.

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by Bandaka on Nov 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Silva’s huge, but I guess GSP a master of cutting. Not sure who would be bigger, but Silva would obviously be longer. If he stays outside he could pick apart GSP. Or he could get taken down a lot and punched in the face.

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Silva may have a reach advantage

but GSP has freakishly long legs. Plus GSP has a very small upper body frame and looks like he could put on a tremendous amount of muscle and with power. Legs are the key to athletic genetics, and GSP has monsterous ones.

Squats and Deadlifts ftw

by Austin Martin on Nov 16, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think G.S.P. would put up a great challenge for Silva, and anyone who thinks G.S.P. doesn’t have a chance is blind.

Don’t get me wrong, Silva is amazing, definitely right up there as the pound-for-pound best in the world. However, a lot of doubt came into my mind after that Forest Griffin fight… It just looked like too extreme of a domination. Silva was handed some opponents a whole lot easier to beat than Griffin and didn’t dominate that much. It was too laughable, too showy. I’ve watched that fight over and over and 70% of the time I lean toward thinking it was a total work.

Anyway, my hair-brained opinions aside, I think G.S.P. would cause Silva a lot of trouble and I think could beat Silva. Especially implementing his long leg kicks and aggressive wrestling. Silva has good BJJ but I just don’t think he’d be able to prevent G.S.P. from imposing his game.

by jcbrewer on Nov 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

lol, are you saying they choreographed the fight?

by ruckus on Nov 16, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No, work does not mean choreographed. Work just means deception or a fraud, as in, Griffin was told to take a dive.

Don’t “lol”. I’m not saying it happened, but it is definitely possible and to me, the fight looked questionable. Works happen, a lot more than you’d expect, it has happened in boxing and will happen in any fight sport that is in the mainstream and is betted on.

Actually, this is where professional wrestling started. Read some history. Wrestling was a legit and real athletic competition, as it became more popular and betting got involved, wrestlers started taking dives and “working” matches. Knowing who would win and who would lose before the match started. Soon they even started planning out the moves before hand. After years and years, eventually it pretty much became all show and now we have what we know as the WWE today.

by jcbrewer on Nov 16, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would stand to gain anything from Forrest taking a dive? That’s crazy.

by omigawda on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

if you think fights are not legit in MMA

than why would you watch it? Might as well watch WWE… Silva has dominated all his foes, including the ones that were supposedly easier than Griffin according to you, but he chose to play with his food, while against Griffin he didn’t. That’s the difference. Watch Andy vs Franklin II, he does the same routine of ducking punches.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

lol maybe you should read some history because “fake wrestling” exists in the US since civil war carnivals, where it was told much like a story by traveling athletes and actors.
There are several other things wrong with your masterful theory:
-Anderson has owned people before, Rich Franklin comes to mind.
-You haven’t really stated who would gain anything from this “work” [motives] and this is what usually supports fraud claims.
-Anderson fights the way he wants, he chooses to be mediocre with the likes of Thales Leites but owned Forrest, i’m not gonna speculate why he does what he does.
-Suggesting that worked fights in the UFC happen does not clarify why so many are dropping events due to injuries: maybe they should “work” the downfall of AS so that they have a better and less held-up middleweight division.

by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, totally ruining one of their best PPV draws to make a troublesome, unpopular, non-english speaking foreign champion look good, while undoing 8 years of working towards MMA legitimacy is a totally sensible move.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

How did everyone jump from me saying that the fight was questionable to me saying all the fights in mma were fixed?

I never said I was right or that it actually happened, just everything looked questionable and that works happen, simple fact, admitedly probably more in Japan than in the states. Open your mind and re-watch the fight a couple of times on YouTube.

As far as the Andy v.s. Franklin II, yes, of course Silva used his sylistic bob and weave, but not to the degree as with Griffin. Besides, at least Frankin got a hit in.

Concerning wrestling history, I am not going to get into some debate, but clearly you can not argue that fake wrestling came before real wrestling and the very basis of your argument is wrong. Carny wrestling was real, and bred such legit catch-as-catch-can wrestlers as Farmer Burns and much later, Billy Wicks, who stills teaches Catch Wrestling today.

The only “work” they had in the beginning is when they had an athletic contest at the carnival with a wrestler, they would implant another wrestler or “shooter” (Ever heard of Shooto? ) in the crowd. The announcer would then announce that, for a fee, whoever stays in the ring and isn’t pinned or submitted will win $$$. The shooter in the crowd would volunteer, posing as a towny, and the fellow wrestler in the ring would take a dive. The next atheltic contest, the real townies would jump at the chance to get in the ring, deceived that they had a chance, the shooters would then dominate the simple townies and take their money, then the carnival would pack up and move on to the next town.

by jcbrewer on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

me personally, if I thought one fight is fake, than that might as well be all fights, because I’d not watch something I felt was not legit 100%. Fights that have been fake in MMA has indeed happened, in the very beginning and in a few instances in smaller shows. That’s not the case today, Anderson looked that good against Griffen because he’s that much better than Griffen.Franklin is a better striker than Griffen, and that’s why he at least got a few punches through. Watch most of Anderson’s fights, he does get hit, Forrest is just not on the same level and couldn’t…

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for being reasonable.

I do not agree that one fight might equal all fights. With MMA you can definitely tell when the other person is fighting back hard and trying to win.

I do agree though that Silva was and is too much for Griffin to handle, and either way, it probably would have been embarassing, I still question it though, but not going to go back into that again.

by jcbrewer on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

jcbrewer you are right about wrestling history but my point was that this staging wrestling isn’t a new idea, however MMA (UFC and vale-tudo etc.) has always been about pure combat. Yet still, for such a grave accusation you don’t give enough backing, but thats ok since you say its just a thought of yours.
Still, its all about Anderson’s style and talent, just like Machida is the least hit fighter because of his karate doesn’t mean his fights were fixed only that his style is superior.

by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

jcbrewer you are right about wrestling history but my point was that this staging wrestling isn’t a new idea, however MMA (UFC and vale-tudo etc.) has always been about pure combat. Yet still, for such a grave accusation you don’t give enough backing, but thats ok since you say its just a thought of yours.
Still, its all about Anderson’s style and talent, just like Machida is the least hit fighter because of his karate doesn’t mean his fights were fixed only that his style is superior.

by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Forrest hit him once square in the face. Once.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Nov 16, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t GSP getting an imediate title shot @ 185 leave Nate the Great out in the cold looking in?

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by Bandaka on Nov 16, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

but given the UFC’s current status, they’d love the opportunity to have a superfight. Nate would have to wait.

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this fight should happen in late 2010 or early 2011, it gives time to both of them to defend at least once. AS should fight marquardt and gsp do his hardy thing.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP has said

that he would only move up to MW if Marquardt failed in his title bid.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 16, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

News flash- he did.

by ufc4 on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The correct answer is...

…replay of GSP-Serra 1 except for a skinny Brazilian with bad English (as opposed to a short New Yorker with bad English.)

by casey manrique on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly! Thats why they should give Matt Serra a crack at Silva first.

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by Bandaka on Nov 16, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Do you have some kind of hateful grudge against poor Matt Serra?

OK, I will admit, I got a good laugh out of that mental picture.

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by CasualMMAFan on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine Serra foot stomping Anderson Silva, it makes me lol.

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by Bandaka on Nov 17, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Props to GSP for looking for a new challenge, but AS isn’t the one he wants. Could anyone see GSP moving up to LHW and dominating the way Silva has so far? Silva is way bigger than GSP. Sure Hendo got him down, sure Lutter had him in some trouble… then they both got subbed. Silva by KO round 1. I’d love to see it, but I’d tape my eyes open to make sure I don’t blink.

by mictlantechutli on Nov 16, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Only way this happens for the Middleweight title...

Is if GSP agrees to immediately gives up the WW belt and move up to MW for good if he wins.

If GSP wins (even as a huge Silva fan I’m not blind to the possibility that GSP’s takedown, control and GnP offense being very effective against the Spider) then you have one champion for two weight classes (and ALL of the interesting fights for GSP at that point are at MW) and it would open up the WW division to exciting fights for the title (Thiago-Swick, Fitch-Hardy, etc).

By the way, if GSP wins, Henderson will be brought back for a title shot for sure.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Nov 16, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

It would be a rough day for Anderson if he ever faced GSP.

by Swordstorm on Nov 16, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

And I like how GSP wants to bulk up over time, and get naturally bigger. He isn’t just jumping right up there. GSP+ more bulk= more monstrous of a fighter.

by ChiCubs23 on Nov 16, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Well he’s already on steroids so he just needs to up his dosage.

by ufc4 on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If this fight does take place

Do we all agree that if G.S.P were to win, that he would then be cemented unequivocally as the number one pound-for-pound?

Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.

by MMAussie on Nov 16, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

no, he needs to beat Fedor at HW for that!

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by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Pleeeeeez. If Fedor beats Werdum, he is #1.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Oui.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, yes. I have him as n1 atm though. But you’re seriously over estimating the Fedor posse. They’ll never back down.

by ununkvadrium on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at the moment I guess you could say i am part of that posse, because i have Fedor at number 1, but for me, if G.S.P were to beat Anderson there would be no questions. G.S.P would be king.

Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.

by MMAussie on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much dude

Anderson is pretty much considered the #1 p4p fighter by MOST big MMA sites, and it’s just common knowledge that if you beat the champ, you become the champ.

As someone else said, there are some hardcore Fedor nuthuggers out there that would still say Fedor is #1. And coming from I huge Fedor fan, I do agree that it would be irrational to think that.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So if Nate Marquardt beat Anderson Silva he would then become p4p number one? :P

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If marquardt does it he gets baroni’s title of best EVAH.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Internet response summarized: GSP might lose, so they shouldn’t do the fight.

Here’s a clue: if two parties intensely believe their opinion on who will win and both sides think one guy can kill the other, then the fight is worth doing. Unless you enjoy watching GSP and Anderson sleepwalk through easy title fights, they should do this.

by Michael Rome on Nov 16, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Anderson est bien, mais GSP est le meilleur jamais.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

GSP est légale, mais Anderson fode à la première date!

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Tabernac!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

why you gotta curse me out like that brother?
I actually had to go to urban dictionary to find out what that meant lol.

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Je suis desole, mon frere. Le mot “tabernac” as un air d’argot.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ne vous inquiétez pas, j’essayais d’être drôle, mais je “fail” à être drôle

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Si Silva et GSP allez aux geurre, je veux aller francais jus’que la combat. J’ai hate cette combat!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Google Translate pour la victoire

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Nov 16, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Mais non, j’ai habite dans Montreal.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know, I was talking about me. lol

(i didn’t need google for that sentence)

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If this fight happens, and GSP wins, I am going full metal frenchie for a month.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that was to me as well, I took french in fifth grade and failed :’(

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you speak portugese?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If Anderson Silva/GSP happens want to make a language bet?

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

sure, what do you got?

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP wins, you go french for a week, using google translate

Anderson wins. I go portugese for a week, using google translate

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, that would be nice, but we can only do it to each other, otherwise we’ll miss on all the other comments :P

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, have to be totally consistent. Translate the signatures too.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, why not, I’m so convinced Andy would win, so the bet is on my Canadian brother!

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yer going down Brazilian(?) buddy.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Canadiens haïra tous les Brésiliens, quand ce combat est fini

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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Brasileiros vão falar como whe Quebecois Anderson fica riddumed.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You should just get a Portugese copy of Rosetta Stone right now to make it easier on yourself.

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah well you should go brush up on your french by reading “Le Match” by Ken Dryden. Or you should read “Le Match” because it’s one of the best books ever written about sports.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it was your intention, but..

That was very hurtful.

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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

google translate todo o caminho!

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This one

Is pretty fucked up though lol.

If this fight happens, and GSP wins, I am going full metal frenchie for a month.

“Si ce combat a lieu et que GSP gagne, je…” there it becomes hard to translate and I’m kinda lazy. It’s damn hard to translate some of your expressions when there are absolutely no equivalents. I could say “…je passe frenchie à fond pour un mois”.
I studied english in college for like 6 month so that’s all you will get from me.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I just made that one up, don’t try and understand :P

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You cracked me up.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Orcus you’re french is VERY NICE.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s google, they are great :P

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

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@deowade

by Damon O. on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Police de la grammaire française

We don’t use anything close to “best evah” (I think lol), you can do something like the best of all times though “Anderson est bien (”bon" would be more idiomatic") mais GSP est le meilleur de tout les temps". ;)

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Merci, j apprends la francais.

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate to do this but...

“le français”

lol
And don’t hesitate to correct my english.

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Come again? You know I don’t speak Spanish. In English, please. What? You pooped in the refrigerator?

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by Anthony Pace on Nov 16, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The real case for GSP is that there are very few cases where a striker after getting mauled and taken down over and over for a couple of rounds still has killer knockout power in the championship rounds. Usually the gas tank dries up and the power isn’t there anymore late. This is why Alves wasn’t able to hurt GSP even when he landed in later rounds.

If St. Pierre can get Silva down and avoid the KO for two rounds, I believe this is his fight. I have no doubt he can get him down, the question is how much damage he can do from top position and whether he can wear Silva out and drain the KO power out of him with his normal grinding strategy. I think it’s a very interesting fight, and one I’d love to see.

by Michael Rome on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think it’s a very interesting fight, and one I’d love to see.

That’s exactly how i feel about this fight.

Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.

by MMAussie on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be an epic fight. I am a huge Silva fan and not a Grease St. Pierre fan (credit to “pitbull187” for the term above) but I would say that GSP can hang with anybody. What I prefer people to focus on is that GSP saying this today is him saying, “I don’t like the Hardy fight.” GSP wants to be challenged because he is driven as he said to be known as the greatest fighter ever. He can only do that by challenging himself.

GSP could definitely take Silva down and keep him there. However, alla Griffin, we have seen what happens to fighters if they try to reach in on Silva. Night Night.

by b_radical on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Well,

Forrest wasn’t even really trying to take Anderson down. He was just looking to bang, really. GSP is a patient guy, and sets his takedowns up VERY well with strikes. Then, when he gets a hold of you, he’s relentless and masterful with his takedowns. Look at this Judo Chop (one of my favs of all time):
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/11/985926/bloody-elbow-judo-chop-thiago

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

sets his takedowns up VERY well with strikes

It worked well against wrestlers, and Alves who had 6 inch reach disadvntage. Would it work against skilled, fast, technical striker with reach advantage, who can drop you with jab while moving backwards?
I hope we will find out.

PS. Griffin gameplan was to take Silva down. He just didn’t have an occassion to implement it.

by dancingChicken on Nov 17, 2009 5:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m just thinking about the promo’s. This is going to be more respectful leading up to the bout than Machida vs Shogun. At least when BJ fought GSP he trash talked GSP and it gave it just enough drama. Dont get me wrong this fight is gonna be epic and can sell well on its own merit but they are both just gonna say how much of an honor it is to fight each other and how good each other are. I would love for Silva to just come out and say he would kill GSP in his broken english then GSP would just turn around and tell him off in french….just to build up a little friction

by Joselana on Nov 16, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

You’re underestimating AS ability to trash talk. The guy take offense pretty easily. I don’t see GSP talking back though, he will say something like “I’m a proud champion, I don’t fear anybody, we will settle this in the octagon…”. :/
Or, we could pray for a translation failure, something coming out wrong, like wandy wanting to fuck/fight chuck

10/24

by spectaa on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Try to quote AS trash talking any of his opponents…

by dancingChicken on Nov 17, 2009 5:14 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

that was the funniest mis translation ever. So good. Thank you for brining that up, i lol’d at work

by bluejitz on Nov 23, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing to Matt Serra was the best thing to ever happen to GSP. Since that embarrassing loss, he’s taken it up a notch and has looked unstoppable. He’s going to do everything he can to avoid that outcome, which is why he turned to being a dominating wrestler and grappler as opposed to a fierce striker. He’s taking a lesser risk than before and it’s paying off. I like the new GSP much more than the old one.

by timetosaygoodbye on Nov 17, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

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