UFC's Dana White: There Is a Possibility Brock Lesnar Will Never Fight Again
by Kid Nate on Nov 16, 2009 1:11 PM EST
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From TMZ:
White tells us Lesnar -- the UFC heavyweight champ -- is "very, very sick" with some sort of intestinal disorder, although listening to White, it sounds a lot more serious than that. White says the condition will require "major surgery."
White is going to visit Lesnar in the hospital and is trying to get him transferred to the Mayo Clinic, one of the most renowned medical facilities in the world.
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White acknowledges the current condition is not mono but he will not be specific. White says the condition is not HIV or cancer.
And, White tells TMZ, "There's a possibility Lesnar will never fight again."
This contradicts an earlier report from MMA Weekly who is talking to Lesnar's camp:
MMAWeekly.com spoke to a source in Lesnar's camp on Saturday night that denied such characterizations, but indicated that there are some new issues to deal with.
"Nothing life threatening like the reports, just some complications with his illness and he had to be hospitalized for antibiotics."
Our sincere wishes for a speedy recovery go to Brock Lesnar and his family.
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I fucking hate DW
but damn, that guy knows how to take care of his friends and champions. Taking care of Lesnar and transferring him to the best clinic in the world even though he may never fight again…. adds a lot to his stock.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
Yeah, I disagree with him a lot, but loyalty is one of the greatest virtues, in my opinion.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 16, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
If you were a promoter wouldn’t you want to emotionally support your #1 fighter in his time of need? And wouldn’t you want him to have the best medical treatment available when his health is threatened?
Seems like a no brainer to me, not an extraordinary act of loyalty.
Best wishes to Broc tho, not a big fan but it would be a HUUUUGE loss for MMA if he were not to recover.
well, this is not the first time DW has helped someone who is under the UFC banner, he helped Page when he was having law issues (and he wasn’t his #1 guy), he helped Shogun after his fight with Forrest by giving him a good place for rehab (he wasn’t his #1 guy), and I’m sure there are plenty of other times he helped a fighter out that I don’t know about. I say that’s loyalty and surpasses his responsibility as a promoter.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
Errr no, each time he had a vested interest. What about Junie Browning, he needs help. Do you think he’d have been sacked from the UFC if he was a top top fighter? C’mon man use your head. Dana is a business man, he doesn’t do things out of the goodness of his heart. He helps people out who make him money. He’s not a cold hearted person or anything. just a business man.
what about that tall lanky black kid who broke his leg? (i forget his fucking name) He didnt need to worry about money for a whole year (it was like he actually fought 3 more times and got paid for it)… everything was done for him. He was given the best doctors (treatment above and beyond what the insurance covered).
He was a fucking preliminary card fighter.
I originally said his friends… Junie Browning ain’t his friend brother.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
I agree. Junie screwed up multiple times even before entering the UFC. You can’t call Junie loyal to the UFC after betraying Dana’s trust so many times, and neither can you demonize Dana for having a limit as to which fighters to care for.
by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 16, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind
being his friend. It looks like he treats you well if you’re friends but if you’re enemies watch out. Sometimes he needs to grow up but it’d be awesome to know him quite well.
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for sure, I wouldn’t mind being his friend haha, but I sure wouldn’t want to be his enemy (or anyone outside the UFC but in the MMA scene, cause he’ll drop F-bombs towards you for no good reason).
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
C’mon, Dana cares less about Brock as a person then as a money drawer. Everyone should know that. I’m not saying he has no heart, he obviously has a personal concern. but if Brock had a crappy record and no one cared about him, do you think Dana would care as much?
I mean, his loyalty is unquestionable though. Whether it’s to a friend or an employee or an investment, it’s still loyalty, which I greatly admire. IDK, I just don’t like flaky people.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 16, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
But why not be a psychologist, since this is the internet and it’s convenient? I mean, why am I nice to women? Because I’m a genuinely kind person, or is it some other alternative and nefarious means?
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or is it some other alternative and nefarious means?
BE comment section should definitely have a checkmark section ;)
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man... what a breakthrough!!
Thank you, doctor. You saved my life!
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I'm definitely a giant non fan of Lesnars
but geez I hope he gets better.
by MauiPimpin on Nov 16, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
TMZ
has become very reliable.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
I have a feeling Kimo’s people were responsible for that, to make him somewhat relevant. They sold the story to TMZ, and TMZ published it.
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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
So reliable that Kimo was dead...
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
so they got a story wrong, many “real” news outlets gets stories wrong. meanwhile TMZ is not a “real” news outlet, yet they get most things right. To me each news is reliable until stated otherwise.
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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
Actually, most news outlets report it as “possible”. TMZ actually reported it as gospel, as in it was confirmed.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
no, I don’t mean the Kimo story, I mean every single News outlet, professional news sources, can and do get stories wrong every now and then. It happens, and it’s part of the news business (as they try to break stories first).
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
And then everyone and their month ran with the story, so I’m not sure what the point is.
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Actually… no they didn’t. Not everyone. A lot of sites put “RUMOR”, which is COMPLETELY different. And those sites got lumped into all the other sites that did fuck up. That always happens. The legit sites that actually report it as RUMOR get fucked over by a few idiots.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore
TMZ then stood by their source after it was basically confirmed he wasn’t dead.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
With the state of the news as it is, you would be a fool to take anything said as face value. I don’t mean to start a political debate or anything, but Columbine is a great example of how false stories are reported and then never really retracted. Those murderers were not part of the “trench coat mafia” and they weren’t bullied at school. Pretty much every “fact” reported the first days after the massacre were false. I am not trying to justify anything they did, in fact its worse they just wanted to go down as infamous killers rather than acting out vengeance on bullies. But in the age of 24 hour news channels where everyone is competing in real time, news outlets are much more likely to report now and ask questions later.
I think it’s only fair that the continued PED suggestions be considered fighter bashing. He’s seriously ill and I’ve seen such aspersions as recently as yesterday. This is seriously troubling stuff, and even if you don’t like Lesnar’s personality, I don’t imagine anyone would wish this sort of illness upon him. Hopefully he’ll be on the road to recovery soon.
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Just wanted to say
Two pounds a month for two years isn’t impossible, and he’s probably been gaining less than that.
Nobody is talking about Overeem
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I think they were....
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Yeah, if it was one of Paulo Filho’s “mystery diseases” that lands him in rehab, then the speculation would be fair, but Brock almost sounds on his deathbed, based on the degree everyone’s saying. Of course, it could be Dana’s hype: The UFC’s biggest fighter takes on his smallest but deadliest opponent yet – UFC 110: Lesnar vs Mono. I’m hoping that’s the case.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ah,
so if somebody is ACTUALLY sick, we can never speculate on anything to do with their life. Gotcha.
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What's that supposed to mean?
I said that we shouldn’t speculate that Brock’s illness is PED-related until the evidence suggests it. Filho has had many suspicious circumstances with weight, licensing, and rehab to make PED speculation fair game. The one time Brock was busted for steroids, they turned out to be prescribed supplements. As much as I don’t like him, I’m not going to make baseless accusations.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm shutting this down..
we’re not going to have a steroid debate in this thread
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’d hope not. It’d be kicking Brock while he’s down.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
…or yelling at him after beating him.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL!
The one time Brock was busted for steroids, they turned out to beprescribed supplementsgrowth hormones.
So kinda like all those other “prescribed supplements” people get from legitimate doctors internet pharmacies, like Chris Benoit, Rodney Harrison and Rick Ankiel?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Chris Benoit didn't get his drugs off the internet.
He got them from Phil Astin, a former physician in Carrollton, GA, where I live. Astin is in prison now.
Pardon me, I was off on that – but even further to my point…the “prescription” part doesn’t add an iota of legitimacy. I’m pretty certain there were other athletes that were getting their “prescriptions” from an unemployed dentist or chiropractor or something along those lines.
Prescription =/= legitimate use.
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what PED suggestions are you referring to?
was it a deleted comment in this thread?
I certainly made no PED suggestions in the post.
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It's just a general sentiment many people are sharing about Brock. He must be on steroids, therefore this sickness is PED-related.
Luke even posted about it on his Twitter:
It is outrageously irresponsible to suggest Brock Lesnar has HIV or ill effects from PEDs unless you have direct, specific evidence. Stop. (9:11 AM Nov 15th)
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
To which I'd respond
We have NO idea what’s actually going on, and every single thing published up to this point has been rampant speculation. The flu, H1N1, Mono, this intestinal thing – all of it has been bullshit.
And yet everybody keeps reporting that stuff, including BE. So….
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“Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight title-holder Brock Lesnar has mononucleosis and can’t train for at least a month, and perhaps as long as six weeks, UFC president Dana White said Wednesday.”
That’s from Kevin Iole, not sure how that is “speculation” or “bullshit”.
by ufc4 on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And now we're hearing that it wasn't mono as well.
“White acknowledges the current condition is not mono but he will not be specific.”
That’s from the actual post you’re commenting in. Sooooo…..
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the current condition isn't mono
that doesn’t mean he didn’t have mono, it means that whatever is so serious isn’t mono.
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Nor does it mean...
that the initial diagnosis was mono and turned out to be wrong.
My uncle died from a similar situation where a rare illness was misdiagnosed as bronchitis. Regardless of the end diagnosis…the initial diagnosis was still bronchitis.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to hear about your uncle
But that’s not the situation here. You’re talking about having information from a doctor about a diagnosis that evolved over time as different tests, treatments, and symptoms were considered.
We’ve never gotten word one from Lesnar, his management, or anyone else who a) would know, or b) have the authority to make such a definitive statement.
And I get the feeling that Dana has been in the dark about a lot of this as well and is only now getting up to speed.
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You get a feeling?
Yeah d00d— tout that hard evidence you’re clearly seeking.
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How else do you
And again: I’m not complaining that people are speculating.
I’m complaining that people are simultaneously speculating and complaining about speculation. Which is CRAZY.
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title fail.
dangit.
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Does it mean that it was mono?
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I think the point is the guy is pretty fucking sick and may or may not ever fight again. He’s in worse shape now than he was a couple weeks ago when it first came up, do you or I need to know the specific diagnosis?
by ufc4 on Nov 16, 2009 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My point is that we’ve never actually gotten a specific diagnosis, so every step of this process has been rampant speculation. Pretending that there are good and bad kinds of speculation strikes me as silly.
“Oh, we’re only doing the responsible kind of speculating. Go away and do that irresponsible speculation somewhere else!”
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There were some yesterday...
I assume that is what he was pointing to
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Also, from DJ Soma’s fanpost:
An intestinal disease ruining an entire career? Weird. I wonder if he has Crohn’s Disease. Probably not. I also wonder if this ilness has to do with past steroid usage.
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There's been a lot of commenting of late
Someone made a poorly written fanpost yesterday where he alluded that “juice is bad for your health”, for example. Nothing you’ve said..
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Wait, what?
What does one have to do with another? The guy can’t be sick and also have ever made a mistake in his life?
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by jemaleddin on Nov 16, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're being ridiculous
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by Blackout612 on Nov 16, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you're preempting discussion.
What do you call that?
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This is Insane
It’s insane to think that someone so early in there career could never fight again. He has just started to scratch the surface of the potential he has, and it could all be over. I hope it’s not as serious as this report. Say what you will about him, but I like watching his fights.
His MMA career is young
But we know his athletic career is long and storied. I hope this was a random occurrence, an illness that could have struck anybody but just happened to get him, and not a symptom of the years of strain on his body. I worry (selfishly) that he has accumulated liver damage from high protein and supplement intake, and that we won’t get to see him fight again.
That said, lets all hope/pray/wish or whatever we do that he’s ok. Haters gonna hate, but somebodies health takes precedence over personal feelings about ones character.
If it’s a complication from Mononucleosis, and it may require surgery, it could be some sort of ruptured or enlarged Spleen.
That's what I was thinking.
Could explain the prolonged sickness and the need for antibiotics.
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absolutely.
Mono could’ve caused his spleen to enlarge, and the bad boy could’ve ruptured during his Canada trip, causing extreme low blood-pressure, which would explain the fainting.
by WestbergIDFC on Nov 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
TMZ
Also ran “Kimo is dead,” then pulled it off their site about five minutes after it was proven wrong, and they never issued a correction.
probably go something like this...
“fedor is a farce who probably never even went to college… our champion has an engineering degree. the only thing fedor has a degree in is ice cream tasting. buck rogers almost beat fedor. carwin would destroy him”
whoever is the UFC’s HW champion, will be the best HW in DW’s eyes. heck, the whole HW division in the UFC is probably better than Fedor in DW’s eyes.
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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
It's as though he's a promoter!
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no shit
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
Then why are you acting as though he's doing something wrong?
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there is a difference in telling people an organization fighter “sucks” and keeping his mouth shut on the matter. My take is that he should do the latter.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
Dana is a promoter, he doesn’t owe Fedor some unspoken vow of respect, like some sort of religious figure.
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Sorry for my previous immature comment.
Let’s try this again, DW should at least try to respect fighters not in the UFC, because there is a good chance one day he’ll be looking to book them and add them to the UFC roster. As much as I hate Fedor for not signing with the UFC, the fact is that DW has already said a bunch of non-sense regarding him and M1, and I can understand why Fedor might not want to fight for someone who’s talking shit about him all the time. Same thing with Rogers, had he beat Fedor, that could be a potential big addition to the UFC HW division, but even before the fight took place DW was already talking crap about Rogers. You guys think it’s his job to talk shit about other fighters? OK, I just feel that there is much to gain to give respect to those fighters. Talking crap about SF, M1, etc is one thing, talking crap about their fighters? Totally different to me…
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
That’s not that important right now.
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by Ubernoober on Nov 16, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed
The only thing that matters is continuing to comment on a bunch of rumors, none of which have had any substance and all of which have later been denied.
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Dude...
can you calm down and explain why you’re so pissed off that you’re posting a new comment every 3 seconds?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What? Every three seconds? The timestamps do not agree. :-)
And I’m not pissed – I’m just disgusted that YET ANOTHER LESNAR RUMOR has come out and once again:
a) everybody is taking it as gospel, and
b) the first thing everyone wants to do is use it to shut down anyone they disagree with.
Next it’s going to be, “If you don’t show respect for Brock, the terrorists win.” Blech.
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Okay. 6 comments in 4 minutes…
What we’re saying is that it is inappropriate to say “probably steroids” just like it’s inappropriate to say “probably AIDS…we all know his wife got around back in the day”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
But everyone is saying it preemptively
Which is kinda bullshit.
Here’s the thing, if somebody comes along and says, “Well, it could be this steroid-related illness which would fit with his reported symptoms and blah blah blah…” we’ve already got half the site sticking their fingers in their ears saying, “He’s really sick! You can’t talk bad about him if he’s really sick!”
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This is a public forum
Unfounded and speculative criticisms of public figures in this forum can be very damaging. Chill Winston
Dude, this is the Internet
a) Welcome – glad to meet you.
b) All that happens here – on this Internet thing – is unfounded and speculative criticisms.
Enjoy your stay!
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That is such a cop out
I hate when people pull the line, “This is the internet and I am semi-anonymous. I can be as big a dick as I want.” The internet isn’t some imaginary place. What happens here, just like anywhere else, has real consequences. When you spread unfounded rumors on a whim about the legitimacy of athletes in a public forum, you are acting irresponsibly.
What?
A) I’m not semi-anonymous. I’m not in any way anonymous. My name, address and phone number are EASILY found by anyone with 30 seconds and the ability to click some links. That’s my first name attached to this and every post. That’s a REALLY uncommon name that makes me SUPER easy to identify. Can you say the same?
B) I’m not talking about what is, isn’t, should be or shouldn’t be acceptable on the Internet. I’m talking about what is actually happening. This, and every recent thread about Brock is a giant mass of speculation as to his health.
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I was unaware you included your information
But cross out that one word from my response (which was primarily used as a blanket statement anyways) and my comment is still valid. What is actually happening, especially from the BE writers, is 100% acceptable. They reprinted a story from a fairly reputable source that quoted Dana White. You don’t see how that is more acceptable than some guy just commenting, “He’s prolly sick from all the roids he been shootin.”
Let's check some recent BE headlines
- UFC’s Dana White: There Is a Possibility Brock Lesnar Will Never Fight Again
- Rumor: Georges St. Pierre and Dan Hardy Under Consideration for TUF Coaching Gig
- Rumor: WEC / UFC Merger In Early 2010
That’s just the recent headlines. And I left out all the “stating an opinion like how one event was better than another,” or “here’s one fighter suggesting that they’re better than another fighter” posts. Let me know how that squares with what you’re saying.
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Are they
“Brandon Vera kinda looks like a wife beater” or “Do you think Dana White snorts coke”? No. Speculation in its self is not bad. Its a whole lot of fun. Mindlessly accusing people of steroid allegations is retarded.
See my response to Brent below.
But my larger point stands: decrying one kind of speculation for another and pretending that you’ve taken the moral high ground when you’re on a blog (a words whose definition should include “gossip rag”) is silly.
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There is a difference...
One is speculation based on quotes and sources. The other is an accusation of illegal activities
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying that Nate hasn't posted front page accusations that Overeem has used steroids?
Because I’ve got a picture of Popeye that says differently.
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I don’t remember the photo having an actual accusation on it. There have been situations where things have been said on the front page that I disagreed with (and our lawyers as well).
But (and I know someone is going to get all pissy about this) you’re confusing community members with staff.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
that wasn't an accusation
and that shirt was clearly deliberately being worn to invite commentary.
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Agreed.
Look, what I’m trying to get through to this guy about is that speculation is the point of sites like this. I mean, how many hits do you get for “And here’s a dry list of facts”?
Stating an opinion is speculation. Fight predictions are speculation. Every post that ends with a question mark (I’m looking at you, Leland) is speculation. Speculation is why ALL of us come here, and everywhere else that experts post their opinions.
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What I'm trying to get through to you
Is there is a line that can be crossed where speculation turns into flaming.
Really? Then direct your criticism to those people.
Have you heard me say anything of the kind?
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I'm beginning to think
That you may have no idea what the hell I’m talking about, and that’s not your fault, that’s my fault for being a terrible writer. I am not criticizing you or trying to attack you, I’m just trying to state that unfounded steroid accusations are inappropriate. I think speculation about the fight game is the primary reason why people come to this cite. However empty accusations claiming that a fighter breaks the law crosses a line.
Hmmm… is there something wrong with writing headlines that ask readers to engage in conversation?
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
But it’s a journalistic “tradition” to write headlines that suggest something you know isn’t true by phrasing it as a question.
TechCruch pulls this shit all the time: “Apple to produce tablet PC for Xmas 2009?” followed quickly by “Apple to produce tablet PC for Xmas 2009? UPDATED” which contains a note all the way at the bottom that says, “Oh, this turned out not to be true. Huh.”
Not saying you’re doing that, but you have a LOT of question mark titles.
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Not saying you’re doing that, but you have a LOT of question mark titles.
So you ARE saying he does that, at least it sure seems that way.
No
He’s asking questions for which there isn’t a definite answer. “Can Fighter X Solve the riddle of Fighter Y?” is different than “Is Something Happening that I’m Implying That Almost Certainly Isn’t?”
There’s just a fine line.
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And to be clear
What you actually said was suggest he was abusing spinach, which, as a person who hates spinach, is far worse.
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A) I’m not semi-anonymous. I’m not in any way anonymous. My name, address and phone number are EASILY found by anyone with 30 seconds and the ability to click some links. That’s my first name attached to this and every post. That’s a REALLY uncommon name that makes me SUPER easy to identify. Can you say the same?
B) I’m not talking about what is, isn’t, should be or shouldn’t be acceptable on the Internet. I’m talking about what is actually happening. This, and every recent thread about Brock is a giant mass of speculation as to his health.
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from another message board I post on, there is an employee of the WWE. He’s heard it’s Hep B. Again, this is just word of mouth so take it for what it is.
here is the link: http://www.thenjscene.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=53807
again, as I said, take it for what it is. He works in production for the WWE so he has more contacts within the industry than myself.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I saw another article with paul heyman who said brock is sick but rest assured he will be back. And paul and brock are tight. So far its just hear say at this point
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
when was the last time brock worked for the wwe and why would a member of the production team (read: sound guy) know a dman thing about this man’s private medical history?
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If the guy has Hep B, how could he get licensed to fight?
Keep firing Assholes!
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Brock vs Aleks?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
3 Versions of Hep
A,B & C. I’m not a doctor but one of the versions which Ibelieve is B, is curable. A close friend of mine had many years ago and made a full recovery. He got it from eating some bad food in Peru.
by KillerInstinct on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s Hep A. Hep B is transmitted by blood/other bodily fluids, but Hep A can be contracted through food or water contaminated with tainted fecal matter.
Patrick Elias (hockey player for the Devils) had A and made a full recovery.
Don't like the guy, don't like his fighting style
but man I hope he pulls through this, recovers and hopefully fights again, if anything so I can see him be humbled in the cage.
Get well soon Brock.
Even if Lesnar returns the probability of him coming back at or even near 100% is very low. We have witnessed a historic an unprecedented rise in one of the toughest sports in the world with a tragic climax.
That's a little dramatic
We still don’t even know what’s wrong with him.
by Neil Manich on Nov 16, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So what are the details, mister insider?
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That makes a lot of sense.
I’m going to stop questioning your insider status from this point forward.
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Me no doctor
But is sounds like crohn’s disease. It causes inflammation in the intestine which in turn leads to long bouts of the runs and extreme fatigue. I had a friend whose wife had it and it just can knock someone out when the symptoms flare.
There is a surgery that removes the portions of your intestine that are infected. David Gerrard, starting QB in Jacksonville, has the condition and had a surgery one off season when he was a back-up and was a starting QB in the NFL within the next year or two. I believe there was an NHL player who did the same thing.
Its not exactly a condition most people who are afflicted with enjoy disclosing or discussing. Its not exactly flattering to run to the can every 15 minutes when symptoms are flaring. Its often confused with Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
Just speculation, but fits the symptoms and the need to go to a top-notch medical facility who would be familiar the latest surgical techniques being that there isn’t a single widely accepted form of treatment. The surgery mentioned above is still considered “experimental” I believe, but it is an option. The condition isn’t life threatening if treated when symptoms arise (worst case is a blockage forms in your intestine or bowels and you have to go to the hospital to get it cleared) so again fits what has been reported. Just a guess
Didn’t know about Drew, but just goes to show it is something that can be lived with, just makes living a real pain when symptoms flare. With the unpredictable nature of the flare ups training could be interrupted at any time. Not an insurmountable obstacle, not life threatening and doesn’t have be career threatening, but could be considered potentially career threatening.
Mike McCready, the guitarist for Pearl Jam, has Crohn’s. Hasn’t stopped him from touring like crazy.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
didn't he get eaten by dirty frank?
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Crohn’s can be dealt with. I dated a girl with Crohn’s a long time ago, and she still ran 5 miles every day and worked out all the time. You just have to manage it correctly, but there were times when she was in a lull.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You were right...
Drew has Crohns
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 16, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
As someone who has it,and spent a month in the hospital because of it… a lot of the time surgery makes it worse. Operating on intestines is like sewing together wet tissue paper. That and your intestines are not exactly a clean area. Once that lining is cut or torn youre almost guaranteed to get infections. Depending on the severity, it could end his career.
you don't need surgery to live a good life with Crohn's though
you can manage Crohn’s through diet. The article seems to suggest he “needs major surgery”, so this connotates something more acute.
by WestbergIDFC on Nov 16, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
sometimes crohn's requires surgery
a good friend of mine just had it. pretty major stuff.
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Not quite
It’s different for everyone . I have 2 relatives with Crohn’s and everyone is different. Both require medication and have been hospitalized multiple times. I also had a friend who had it and had 3 separate surgeries to remove pieces of his small intestine.
My husband also has Ulcerative Colitis (the lesser of the two evil diseases) and had his entire colon removed – and guess what, he sure could fight MMA if he chose to. There is even a pro hockey player with UC who hasn’t had the surgery but still plays.
If it’s Crohn’s, it should not spell the end of Lesnar’s career. Of course, they may just be hyping up that way to drum up sympathy for him.
Don't give up, just pull a Nick Serra!
I think Theo Fleury had Crohns and he was still able to play in the NHL after his diagnosis (until other factors in his life caught up with him) and current NHL’er Fernando Pisani of the Edmonton Oilers has it as well.
And I just noticed when I was looking up to confirm on Pisani, that it lists Joe Rogan as having Crohns??
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Pisani
has Ulcerative Colitis. Also a bowel disease, but not as bad.
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My condolences to Brock
and to Frank Mir. It seemed like Frank’s number one goal was to bulk up and get a rematch with Brock. This really changes the Heavyweight picture, and I am bummed about it. I am not a huge Brock fan, but I wanted to see him fight Cain, Carwin, and Noguiera.
by I don't wear mma t-shirts on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions
My condolences to Brock
and to Frank Mir. It seemed like Frank’s number one goal was to bulk up and get a rematch with Brock. This really changes the Heavyweight picture, and I am bummed about it. I am not a huge Brock fan, but I wanted to see him fight Cain, Carwin, and Noguiera.
by I don't wear mma t-shirts on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions
Well, that means it's not lupus...
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Well, take it with a grain of salt. It is TMZ. As someone pointed out, they’re not going to make up many quotes, but they will spin it to make a bigger story. I’m not saying for sure that’s what this is, but look at it this way. They’re choosing to publish which quotes. They know Dana said it was some sort of intestinal thing, and then said “listening to White, it sounds a lot more serious than that.” So they evidently didn’t publish the quote where Dana told them it was an intestinal thing, where he presumably made it sounds less serious than TMZ thinks.
Its still obviously very vague at this point, but I’d want to see something more specific, and maybe from a better news source before I start getting overly worried, especially as it seems Lesnar’s camp denies it.
Well this sucks
Brock seemed like a good guy when he wasn’t in WWE mode, hope he makes a full recovery.
Best wishes to Brock.
I’m thinking it might be Colitis and he may need Colostomy Surgery(Removal of the Colon), I’ve known someone with that and it sounds similar.
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Dana is the Boy who cried Wolf too many times
You know, Brock Lesnar might be really sick and it might even be life threatening and that would be terrible.
But unfortunately, Dana’s word can’t be trusted anymore due to his constant crying wolf and promoter hype machine act. I can’t stand it, or him. He’s all about money and those people can’t be trusted with any info.
I’ll listen to Lesnar’s camp and any other source before I listen to Dana the Circus Barker.
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From what Dana White is quoted as saying Colitis in my unexpert opinion would be the one thing that’s been speculated about that would roughly fit the bill. Its serious, intestinal and the symptomology is roughly correct. Athletes can come back from it though..Fernando Pisani of the Oilers did, although he hasn’t really recaptured his previous form.
He didn't "come back" from it
He still has it and can have a flare at any time
Don't give up, just pull a Nick Serra!
Nice job
http://wcco.com/local/brock.lesnar.ill.2.1316457.html
A source told WCCO that Lesnar has a severe case of diverticulitis, a disease where small pouches form in the digestive system.
From the New England Journal of Medicine.
One of the lesser known but most life-threatening gastrointestinal side effects of steroids is the perforation of colonic diverticula, which may occur in about 2.7% of patients and carries a mortality risk of 27–100%
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
I believe it's already been discussed that you're not allowed to say that.
Haven’t you heard? Making reasonable statements about his condition based on both the information available and the evidence of your own eyes is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I believe we’re just supposed to sit quietly and sing hymns until he recovers.
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From family experience
Dont know if this is anything like Brock has, but a while back my brother in law had a burst appendix and when he had surgery they accidentally cut his intestine. This has lead to over 15 surgeries to repair the intestine and multiple hernias that now appear all the time. He can no longer do anything physical and can barely pick up his kids. Now if Brock had some sort of issue and something like this happened then his career could truely be over. just a thought.
Let’s all post links of intestinal diseases! I am an MMA fan …. so that is one step removed from a doctor. It could be Crohns, Diverticultis, Hep B, Shingles, AIDS, kwashiorcor, Malaryia or makeupadiseaseitis.
Brock, I hope you recover from all of these diseases. My best to you and your family for a swift recovery. If your doctors cannot figure out what is wrong, make sure to tune into this chain for more diagnoses. Or we can hire HOUSE and he’ll figure it out for you.
by b_radical on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Dr. House is not amused with your Bullshit!
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
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by ZombieWamma on Nov 16, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Someone called for a doctor?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Please not Doogie Howser!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Hey Doogie
can see unicorns, I’m sure he can cure Brock ;)
i wish brock lesnar a speedy recovery and peace.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions
^this
Is what I’m hoping is the truth.
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by funnytiger on Nov 16, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Spin. Spin. Spin.
If we’re really reaching, maybe he purposedly said something bold to steal the limelight from boxing. Pacquaio-Cotto and the talks of Pac/Mayweather have suddenly revived a “dead/dying” sport. Dana wants MMA back in the headlines so how better than to say that the #1 UFC draw may never fight again. Or Dana is just being Dana. Who knows with him.
If Brock needs intestine surgery for anything its not spin to say he may never fight again. First off any abdominal surgery is major surgery and thus runs the small risk of having unknown complications. Second abdominal surgery requires going through your stomach muscles and that takes a while to come back from to function normally, much less an a world-class prize fighter. If the surgery doesn’t completely fix the issue then there are other considerations. Perhaps the surgery gives Brock a normal life, just not that of a prize fighter.
I know its easy to call out Dana’s spin because 80%-90% of what he says in public is spin, but major gut surgery at the Mayo Clinic is not something to be taken lightly.
It is spin
My husband has NO COLON…and could fight if he wanted to.
Don't give up, just pull a Nick Serra!
You have better first hand knowledge than me, but doesn’t a colectomy require some sort of colonoscopy bag after surgery? I’m sure with modern technology they are less intrusive, but it is still requires a device be implanted in your body. With the potential for damage to such a system I’m not sure your husband would be licensed by a state commission. With proper care I’m sure training is fine, but training and getting a license to participate in unarmed combat are two entirely different things.
Brock requires such a license to continue his career, so while not life threatening it may be career threatening.
Depends...
There are several possible surgeries. My husband’s surgery was 2-part. First they removed the colon and had a temporary bag. But 6 weeks later, he went back for what they called a reversal, where they removed the bag and then created a “new” colon out of a section of small intestine. So, no disease, no bag. Granted, it took my husband about a year to get back to normal, but he is normal. There are several professional athletes who compete with either UC or Crohn’s.
Don't give up, just pull a Nick Serra!
I hope you right, since that would mean Brock’s conditition isn’t as serious as we’ve been led to believe. But that would pretty sleazy of Dana. Even if he’s a promoter.
by John Nash on Nov 16, 2009 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mono almost killed me
It could be a complication from it, Mono can do some pretty horrible things to you if you don’t get proper treatment right away.
It is very nice to see
actual human beings wishing Lesnar and his family well. What is disturbing is the amount of nasty comments from people about a man and his employer while he is sick and hospitalized.
We need to remember that the fighters we cheer for (or hate) are human beings just like us. They have families, friends, good days and bad days just like us. There is a lot of unfounded finger pointing going on about several topics that are not related to Mr Lesnar and his health. If this was your son, brother, father some of these attitudes around might be different.
Sorry for the rant but if someone/anyone is that ill, I don’t care what your opinion is, show some respect.
unfortunately, this is the sort of situation where the Fight Opinion crowd gets their jollies. Since their world revolves around pro wrestling, they want to believe there’s this conspiracy where Lesnar isn’t really all that sick and the UFC is just building up his return. It makes me glad I stopped looking into wrestling for deep meaning when I was about 12 or so.
I love the way you generalize!
Keep it up fun boy.
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Why do these posts turn into epic steroid debates?
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They haven't!
This one turned into a “can you turn this into a steroid debate” debate! :-)
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I’m going to assume you started at least one steroid conversation above, but if I’m wrong… okay. I just don’t want to read through all that shit. :-)
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Me? Nope.
I did respond to what actually showed up which was, “now don’t anybody speculate about how this is steroids because we can’t do that because the latest rumor is that he’s actually sick, so that would be in bad taste.”
Cause, you know, that’s messed up.
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Every news story regarding Brock always turns into a steroid debate, whether it’s warranted or not. Nature of the beast when you’ve got fans who don’t care about anything other than his tenure in the WWE.
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Considering how many of his fans only care about his tenure in WWE…
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I didn’t actually require an answer. I was just waiting for jemaleddin to chime in.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
But you had to know that mentioning Brock Lesnar and steroids in the same post would automatically get you a bunch of responses. :-)
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Well, it isn’t in the post. JUst the comments.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
You love me
And you know it.
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Touche!
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by Leland Roling on Nov 16, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mayo clinic ? What a joke !!!
Why not take him to a ketschup or masturd clinic ?! Wtf , can’t they afford to take him to a clinic for humans?! Dana White is fucking cheap!!!!!
by JoelMan on Nov 16, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
What is this? A center for condiments??? How do you expect athletes to recover if they can’t even fit inside the bottle?
by ZephyrBrasil on Nov 16, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I may not like the things that Brock Lesnar does, but i sure wish him a speedy recovery, and hopefully gets well soon!
by bigislandboi808 on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions
http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/11/16/public-comments-on-brock-lesnars-health-condition/
http://wcco.com/local/brock.lesnar.ill.2.1316457.html
A report has come out saying Lesnar has severe diverticulitus. I think in a lot of cases a severe diagnosis lead to surgical intervention in order to remove the affected portions of the intestine.
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If this turns out to be the case
it sucks for him, but my mom had diverticulitis a few years back and had a surgery followed by full recovery. The thing is, she would have thesehour long bowel movements late in the evening, with a lot of other painful bowel movements throughout the day. I can definitely see this killing any sort of intense physical regimen.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve never met you and have no idea who you are, but i just pictured your mom having an hour-long bowel movement. thanks for the mind rape.
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no sense of humor?
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Maybe he thinks you're trivializing rape.
Or bowel movements. Either way.
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maybe. how about “thanks for sticking a mental picture of your mom having an extended-but-in-no-way-trivialized bowel movement into my head without my expressed consent.”
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
See, now I can't imagine him having a problem with that.
You sir, are a gentleman, a scholar, and a fine judge of ugly women.
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Brock has intestinal bacterial infection.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2009-11-16-3190330654_x.htm
He will hopefully be released soon. Dana is encouraging him to go to the Mayo Clinic for further treatment and is not sure if he will fight again at this point. Personally, I have no idea how serious this type of thing can be.
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That's good news.
Based on Dana’s remarks, I was thinking Crohn’s Disease.
Oddly, the treatment for Crohn’s and severe Diverticulitis are basically the same, but Diverticulitis is curable.
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