Why am I watching TUF 10?
Can somebody please explain to me why I am bothering to watch this season's Ultimate Fighter? I'm not saying the TUF series has simply been a media ploy to gain publicity for the UFC, but this seasons episodes seem to have been more detrimental to the business than beneficial. Matt Mitrione vs. Scott Junk? Despite Dana White's raving over the fight as "two guys going toe to toe banging," the reality is that the fight consisted of two poorly conditioned fighters throwing punches like they were on an amateur circuit and that was just the first round. The last two looked to be in slow motion in between Mitrione gasping like a fish out of water and Junk appearing to have two concrete blocks attatched to his wrists. The same goes for McSweeney vs. Shivers, both of whom spent the majority of their fight together with their hands on their hips.
While I understand Kimbo Slice is season 10's poster boy (and while he seems to be a humble, respectful and kind man) is anyone else tired of hearing as a preview, "so and so appears to be injured and all eyes turn to Kimbo Slice." Look, I get it, he's big publicity for the UFC but to a person that knows anything about the fight game, knows that Kimbo is a mid-level striker with zero ground game and poses no real threat to anyone that is a blue belt in jiu-jitsu and had at least 2 years of JV wrestling.
The only two people that have stood out this season seem to be Roy Nelson and Marcus Jones. While Roy's performances on the show may not have earned him fight of the night honors on a UFC card, he has shown a solid ground game (oh btw, he beat Frank Mir at Grapplers Quest in jiu-jitsu,) solid standup and composure when he's been rocked by Justin Wren, and despite one of the biggest bellies in MMA, relatively good conditioning. While we havent seen much of Marcus Jones or what his true skill set is, I was impressed with his one fight so far on the show. True, his standup showed much to be desired, arms outstretched, but he appears to have a solid ground game (ableit going for a keylock from half-guard,) but taking his back, then pulling off one of the quickest armbars I've seen from a heavyweight since Frank Mir armbared Tim Sylvia. While we still have yet to see his full skill set, Jones appears to have bright future.
Look, I respect the guy, as I respect any fighter that gets into that cage, but the way I look at fighters on TUF is, "could I see this guy one day fighting for a UFC title?" The answer for virtually all the fighters on the show is an emphatic, no. I don't think I have seen one fight so far this season in which each of the fighters were gassed out by the first round and if they were lucky, the second. Could you honestly see Brock Lesnar vs. Scott Junk? Frank Mir vs Kimbo Slice? Kongo vs. McSweeney? Nogueria vs. Mitrione? Switch any of these fighters around with each other but the bottom line is simple. The elite of this division would chew up these fighters and spit them out without a second though. While I may be forced to eat my words at a later point, I just don't see the point in this season's. These fighter's seem to be going nowhere fast and Dana is loving every minute of it.
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Agree with everything although i think Brendan Shaub has potential as well. What a sloppy season of tank abbots
Easy question to answer
It’s free MMA (or at least quasi-MMA) and most shows on TV these days suck anyways.
this
and theres a chance Kimbo will come back!
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ableit going for a keylock from half-guard
I actually hit kimuras from half quite often. Especially if you get good pressure on the opponent with your head/ chest/ shoulders, it’s quite easy. And once you have the lock, even if you’re not in a position to finish, you can pass to the side and trap the arm again. Same w/ arm triangles from half.
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You’re right, and I agree with you, there are a numver of submissions that can be hit from half-guard. The one i was specifically referring to was the Americana/paintbrush but you are right in the the kimura, arm triangle and more can be done from half-guard. I should have clarified.
In the Aftermath show
Jones says he likes to use the keylock from that position just to move his opponent around. Seems like a good idea.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
if your opponent is dumb enough to go for the americana while they have you in side control, you can actually hit the americana back on them and sweep/submit them. i guess half guard would give you the same ability to move and sweep.
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I flat out have to disagree with a lot of the content of this fanpost.
Look, I respect the guy, as I respect any fighter that gets into that cage, but the way I look at fighters on TUF is, “could I see this guy one day fighting for a UFC title?” The answer for virtually all the fighters on the show is an emphatic, no.
Can you name any fighter over the entire history of the show who showed that capability? Maybe one or two guys from season one, but thats about it. Rashad Evans wasn’t much different as a fighter than a few guys on this season when he won TUF 2. Forrest Griffin came off TUF 1 fighting the likes of Elvis Sinosic and Bill Mahood. The talent this season is about as good as its ever been, maybe better than the past few seasons.
Could you honestly see Brock Lesnar vs. Scott Junk? Frank Mir vs Kimbo Slice? Kongo vs. McSweeney? Nogueria vs. Mitrione?
Could you honestly see Georges St. Pierre against Sammy Morgan? Brock Lesnar against Dan Christison? Nate Marquardt against Solomon Hutcherson?
The cast of every season consists of a few fighters who are UFC caliber, and a bunch of guys who aren’t. Cherry picking the worst fighters on a given season and saying “those guys couldn’t make it in the UFC” is like claiming insight into the fact that the world is round. No shit. The question isn’t if a bunch of mediocrities can make it in the UFC. The question is if 2 or 3 can excel. This season has about 4 fighters I expect to have long UFC careers.
Exactly
I was watching the first season again, and you can’t seriously look at that Forrest Griffin and say “Future title holder. You heard it here first.”
I don’t look at TUF as a way of finding future champs, I see it as a way of letting the fans meet some of the newer fighters in the org, so they’re not just a collection of faces and stats. If one of them gets to a title, good for them.
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Ok thats a fair enough assessment. I respect that. But other than Jones or Nelson, or maybe Shaub, who are your dark horses this season? Who do you feel will truly stand out? Granted 2/3 of each season is filled with essential nobodies that wont win and wont make it into the UFC. But what about the other 1/3? Of course Kimbo will make it into the UFC but who do you think has a true chance of contending? As I posted, I have very little to find true faith in for the fighters this season. Forrest Friffin and Rashad Evans for instance were of course underdogs at one point or another in their career but they showed, heart, conditioning and perseverence and while I’ll concede not all members of this season have been given a second chance, I have yet to see that true star power with mostly anyone this season. I’m not trying to be a dick, im just trying to be honest.
There's more to a fight career than contending.
If TUF produces a nice gatekeeper, then it was a success. Keith Jardine filled that role for a while – he’d be competitive against some top fighters, and established a standard contenders needed to surpass in order to get title shots.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Wren stood toe to toe with a top-30 fighter at the age of 22. Schaub is a Golden Gloves winner as well as the Colorado Open BJJ champ, despite only a couple years of training. Demico Rogers is one of maybe 20 athletic 250+ lb guys in the entire division. Schoonover probably won’t do anything at HW, but might well be a real talent at LHW. You’ve made your judgment on Schaub and Rogers after they fought each other for 3 minutes, and your judgment on Schoonover after watching him fight for 2 minutes.
Let me ask you: can you name any fighters from seasons 6-9 that have Wren’s combination of talent and age? Rogers’ size and athleticism relative to his division? Schaub’s highly visible talent? I haven’t even mentioned Madsen, who handily dominated a fighter that FightMatrix had in the top 100 in the division (FightMatrix’s estimation of the talent of ranked fighters on TUF has generally shown to be pretty accurate). Hell, just going by FightMatrix’s rankings, this is the most talented season in a while.
The talent on the past few seasons has sucked. This season is not the case.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 16, 2009 4:40 AM EST up reply actions
and the question isnt whether they can have long UFC careers but whether they can have truly sucessful careers and not just end up in the mid-card mix with the stephan bonnars, chris lebens, or Ed Hermans. Of course they have what it takes to compete but they dont have what it takes to compete at the highest level. It might sound harsh but its the truth. Yes, theres always about 1 or 2 fighters that emerge and become superstars but lets be honest, as TUF has gone on, the winners of the ultimate fighter have become less and less well know and faded into mediocrity
TUF 9 fighters did pretty well at UFC 105.
by DuRuffio on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why Am I Watching TUF 10
While Roy’s performances on the show may not have earned him fight of the night honors on a UFC card, he has shown a solid ground game (oh btw, he beat Frank Mir at Grapplers Quest in jiu-jitsu,)
The fascinating thing for me about that tournament is that it also included Brandon Vera and Diego Sanchez.
Nelson beat Sanchez in the finals. Think about that.
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And Nelson actually submitted Vera
although the victories over Mir and Sanchez were via points.
by Scott Haber on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Big Baby is awesome
Diego must be a beast on the ground then if Nelson couldn’t submit him. I’ve subbed smaller, better guys just by tiring them out with my gut and mine’s now where as epic as even 2003 Nelson’s gut.

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