Brock Lesnar and Big Nog out, Could TUF save the day?
by NCSAR on Nov 15, 2009 3:46 PM EST
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PrintIt is unknown to what extent Brock Lesnar and Nog are sick. We know that both are seriously ill and will not be fighting anytime soon.
The UFC's Heavyweight Division is not their deepest, and combine those losses with the weight drop of Randy Couture, they just got thin!
Here is a link where I break down exactly what the UFC needs to do!
A few tidbits from the link...
If you take Brock, Nog, and Randy out of the 215+ equation, you are left with the likes of Carwin, Velasquez, Mir, Kongo, and Dos Santos. After that point, the talent level drastically drops off.
In steps The Ultimate Fighter! The season that was origionally crowned as the Kimbo season, very well could be a saving grace for the UFC.
What to do now...
This is what you can expect if Brock and Nog are out of commission for awhile. Expect Carwin and Velasquez to fight (possibly around 108). The winner of that one will get the winner of the Mir vs. Kongo fight for the interim title. That will do two things. It will give Lesnar and Nog time to hear, as well as give the UFC to begin building their new heavyweight talent from TUF.
If they play their cards right, they can market at least four of the TUF guys (not counting Kimbo). They can use these brand new guys as a speed bump in the division, seemingly slowing down the movement of the division, and allowing the guys at the top to heal.
You never know if someone from the show can ramble off a few straight wins. This would only help out the UFC. Mix this new crop of talent with the current roster and a possible disaster is avoided and downgraded to a small issue.
The Wild card...
The wild card in all of this is Kimbo Slice. I know what you are thinking, how in the world could the UFC really use this guy… Just watch, it is going to happen. He is rumored to be fighting Houston Alexander at the finale. If he wins that fight (and let’s be honest…Houston is very beatable), then you can use Kimbo wherever you want. Ask Spike, YouTube, and CBS if they think people will tune in to watch Kimbo…
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Having Lesnar and Nog has nothing to do with building TUF 10 fighters.
Nog is not a draw, and niether are Valasquez or Carwin or JDS.
The only dilemma is finding a main event for UFC 108, and getting their biggest draw back.
by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Carwin is having knee surgery, so he’s out. JDS vs. Velasquez makes the most sense to me for an Interim title, while the winner of Kongo/Mir would get the first shot if Lesnar or Big Nog isn’t back yet.
Houston wins via TKO (Leg Kicks).
According to Carwins twitter
“Did not have surgery. I was injured and when Brock pulled out of 108 I got the injury looked at and began rehab. I have a grade 2 MCL Strain”
I like Carwin for this
It seems whenever a story pops up about him makes sure to give a quick interview or address it with his twitter.
Have you seen TUF this season?
The majority of the guys on it dont even deserve to be in EliteXC. Most of the guys on it are straight hot garbage
Wren, Nelson, Big Baby, Schaub, Tiddies and a high upside guy in Demico is not what I’d call mostly-garbage. There are at least seven guys that are going to get a shot after the show, possibly one or two more.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t throw Jones, Demico,Wren or Schoonover on that list just yet. You forgot John Madsen, who has a fight on the finale(IDK if it is the final) that is confirmed.
by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 15, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
You wouldn't
But I wasn’t asking you, either. Wren and Schoonover were big time prospects, even before being invited on the show, Big Baby looked amazing (=shot) and Demico has high upside (like I said).
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by Blackout612 on Nov 15, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Schoonover and Wren were never big prospects. I think they should keep Wren around though. As far as Jones, I guess your definiton of amazing is way different than mine.
by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Wren is barely out of his 20s. He may not be at the Brock Lesnar level, but I definitely think he’s at the Ben Rothwell level. I’ll say that Madsen is probably on that level as well.
Barely into his 20s, you mean.
TheAlphaNerd: Wren will be the second-youngest fighter in the UFC HW division the moment he steps into the Octagon for his finale fight. We just saw him go toe-to-toe with a top-30 fighter. The kid has real talent.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 16, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
From everything Lesnar says, Madsen is the real deal.
by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 16, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, they both were/are
And you don’t know what you’re watching. Big Baby transitioned three subs enroute to a first round stoppage. The argument here, in case you lost it, was about who would get another fight/shot after TUF 10. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Real good..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
How is Scoonover a top prospect? In his life he will never be a top 10 HW. Wren has potential, and a lot of it. Let’s not confuse him being a prospect though. Tyron Woodley is a prospect. Lyle Beerbohm is a prospect. Even though the standards are lower in the HW division, I still don’t see how anyone can gather that he is going to be something special yet. Is Marcus Jones the first guy to do transitions? Who did he do it to again? He walked chin up right into an ugly clinch. Would you call Noguiera amazing for subbing Wessell?
by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
If you beat a top 10 fighter you are not a prospect anymore. Go look up prospect, I think you have forget the definition.
And how can you hate on a fighter (Marcus Jones) for taking what another fighter gave him to finish a fight? I can do the same BS to Tyron Woodley and Beebohn as you have done to these fighters. But I won’t, they are prospects and deserve my respect.
Personally
I think that Shivers has a chance if he could get his cardio going. His skillset reminds me of K-sos.
Watching a fight on this season’s TUF is like watching a Godzilla battle, only Godzilla doesn’t get gassed in the first round.
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