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Down With the Sickness: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Out of UFC 108 With Staph Infection; Brock Lesnar in "Bad Shape", Out Indefinitely

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The Curse of Autumn '09 continues to haunt the UFC.  Dana White says that Brock Lesnar is not only out indefinitely, but the UFC heavyweight champ appears to be in bad shape.  From MMA Junkie:

White said Lesnar collapsed while spending time on a retreat in Canada and was checked into a hospital.

"[Lesnar] is in bad shape, and the reality is they don't really know all that's wrong with him," White said. "He owns a bunch of property in Canada. He went up to Canada just to get away from his house, to go up there and just kind of chill out up there.

"He [expletive] dropped. He went down, and he had to go to the hospital. They ran every test on the planet on him, and they ended up finding out something else was wrong with him."

As if that wasn't bad enough, MMA legend Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira has been forced to pull out of his UFC 108 bout with Cain Velasquez following another case of staph infection.  Again, from MMA Junkie:

"[Nogueira] got staph infection, bad, to the point now it's in his bloodstream, and he's probably going to have to be hospitalized and intravenously given the antibiotics," White said.

UFC 108, previously titled "Nogueira vs. Velasquez," is scheduled for Jan. 2 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

White said the recent string of bad luck for the company, which has included injuries to several of the UFC's most prominent fighters, is the worst he's seen in his time at the helm of the promotion.

"It's crazy," White said. "In nine years of being in this business, we haven't had this many injuries in one (full) year."

Suffice to say, this is a gigantic step back for the UFC's heavyweight division.  Every time the division starts to pick up (signing Mirko Cro Cop, Randy Couture beating Tim Sylvia), it seems to come crashing down (Gabriel Gonzaga head kicks Cro Cop into mediocrity, Couture leaves the company).  Now, when the company found a cash cow to lead the division, they're left in shambles.  Couture's moved down to 205.  Lesnar may never fight again.  Nogueira will now have to deal with recovering from the effects of a draining infection.

What else can go wrong?

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Cain vs Shane for interim title?

by ufc4 on Nov 14, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently Carwin may have decided to opt for knee surgery?

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by Mike Fagan on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

His Tweet:
Lots of great HWT in the division the show will go on. I should be back to full training in a few weeks and ready to fight by Feb.

by ufc4 on Nov 14, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

With the way that things are looking.....

There really aren’t too many options in Heavyweight. Dos Santos vs Velasquez? Obviously though for name value-sake, that wouldn’t work as a main event. UFC 108 is just cursed, and I don’t see too many options that the UFC has as a main event.

by chrisbboy82 on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Kimbo vs., Anyone

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope this isn’t the case, but could there be something seriously wrong with Lesnar?

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t sound good, whatever it is. I’m having a hard time drawing up potential things that could be brought up with a series of tests that wouldn’t be known otherwise.

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by Mike Fagan on Nov 14, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to take a wild stab....

….and guess thin vascular walls.

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Lesnar could sneeze funny, and a little voice in my head will still scream “STEROIDS”

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Damn, this is crazy.

Hope Lesnar gets better, not just for MMA but it sounds like he could be in deep shit health-wise according to Meltzer.

by An0nymous on Nov 14, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

At this rate the UFC is gonna have to start doing events every 2 months instead of 1.

I mean seriously. Now your out your 108 headliner and nobody knows beyond that.

You cant just keep throwing together medicore cards and expect fans to keep buying.

I say try to get through 107, 108, and 109 and see where you are at. If your top guys are still down then look at maybe every other month for shows.

by bigdmmafan on Nov 14, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

Now would be the time for a Grand Prix.

by b2tharad on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly. Is there any problem a grand prix can’t fix? I doubt it.

by JRN on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Blame Canada.

They gave Brock SARS.

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by Dave Walsh on Nov 14, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

paging mr. liddell

mr. liddell to the front desk

by woooburn on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Couture vs Liddel

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 14, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Couture vs Liddel vs Ortiz

in a three way ladder match.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 14, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

will coleman run into the cage and hit someone with a steel chair?

by woooburn on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No, he’s headed to the hospital to attack Lesnar while he’s laid out.

by CSKit on Nov 15, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Once he’s winded from attacking Lesnar, he’ll already have an oxygen machine and hospital bed nearby to rest.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 15, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to know where Frank Mir has been lately. Has anyone spotted him in Minnesota in the past few months? :) Kidding, kidding…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 15, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Just look behind Miguel Torres you will probably find him

by IRodC on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

:) You’re on point there sir.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

From Carwin’s Twitter:

 

For the record I am not going to be ready for UFC 108. I am rehabbing my MCL. Would love to fight ASAP.

by An0nymous on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

If only the UFC had more champions to fill in main events….like in lighter weight classes

by bla10cow on Nov 14, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Shame they don’t have anywhere to look for fighters who fit that description and are already under contract to part of Zuffa…

by gzl5000 on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i think most logical would be carwin/valasquez for interim title in february… carwin said on his twitter he’s ready to fight in feb.

personally i think that rasputin looking dude that hangs around with fedor put a curse on ufc.

by kanodogg on Nov 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Yes please!

Dana you know it makes perfect sense. You have stars in the making to be superstars. Get some value out of what languishes on an inferior network. Pronto!

This is just wild speculation but what exactly could fell such a behemoth as BROCK LESNAR? An acute case of karma?

by Koob on Nov 14, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Eh…for some blatant speculation…

Could be any number of things. But for a guy like Brock Lesnar, at 280+ pounds, to be in that great shape, probably requires a hell of a lot of exertion. He’s obviously a great natural athlete, but that amount of effort probably would mean borderline exhaustion for most people. You work yourself that hard, you leave your defenses, your immune system down, and you could just get hit with something and be very vulnerable to it.

by TLow on Nov 14, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Apparently (from another article) the sickness might be enough to be life or career threatening…. this sort of makes me think I should shut up with my armchair doctoring….

by TLow on Nov 14, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Red Sox fan..

and you see I thought never in a million years a guy like Manny Ramirez or David Ortiz would ever ever dabble in things as PED’s. The it dawned on me that yes it’s probably a very likely possibilty with the amount of money at stake in professional sports that even good guys, even good fellows like Andy Petite on teams I hate, would pursue such avenues. Let’s not be naive shall we. The sins of past will catch up to all of us. I’m not saying Brock Lesnar is a bad guy and I hope no ill towards him or his family but please let’s no bury our head in the sand. I know it’s hard to rationalize that such specimens like Lesnar or even possibly a Couture could be doing things, however undetectable, that might be deemed unsportsmanlike. I have come to realize that our perception of the profesional athelete in fact a perception, and the reality a whole other thing. It is a grey area and I hope this doesn’t come off as fighter bashing. Oh the burden of proof…

by Koob on Nov 14, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Couture himself admitted to hormone therapy. What the heck do you think hgh and steroids are?

Competition + money = rules broken.

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

holy sh*t!! I hope Brock gets better soon….

At first, I thought that the “sickness” he got was a bit too coincidental to be on-time for the New Years PPV….But now hearing this, Brock could be in serious trouble here.

Forget the UFC….This is a Man’s LIFE we are talking about.

Our thoughts and Prayers should be with Brock’s Family…..

by BNTHIS on Nov 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I agree...this does sound really bad.

I’m not a fan, but this is pretty scary. Nothing worse than being that sick, and having the doctors not be able to even figure out exactly what it is. So much for my jokes involving Frank Mir sabotaging him or something. Say a prayer…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 15, 2009 5:14 AM EST up reply actions  

JDS vs Cain

for the Interim Title plz

by CSKit on Nov 14, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Considering Carwin was scheduled to fight for the title I think he needs to be somewhere in that equation.

by ufc4 on Nov 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell that to Carwin’s knee surgery.

by CSKit on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Better yet...

…Tell that to Carwin’s Knee.

It’d be like “ARE YOU KIDDING ME?”

by BNTHIS on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He’ll be ready to fight in February, that’s not far away.

by ufc4 on Nov 14, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

JDS would kill Cain

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by Damon O. on Nov 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but we don’t know until it happens. I though Swick would kill Hardy…

by CSKit on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying that Hardy could beat Dos Santos?

:)

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll have to get back to you on that.

by CSKit on Nov 14, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

although they’ll have to scratch the Napao fight

by Meshuggeth on Nov 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Instead of

The curse of Autumn ’09 lets call it the Fedor curse. It rolls off the tounge better.

On a side note I just can’t help think this is karma comeing back to screw Dana.

by SamAdkins on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

After the crap he spewed...

….it wouldn’t be much of a surprise if that was what it is.

by BNTHIS on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya I agree. Its hard to have anyone that would beat Fedor when they are all in hospital beds.

by SamAdkins on Nov 14, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Brock gets better soon. I mean as people have stated MMA is one thing but when a life could be at stake i just hope he gets better.

by Riley_96 on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

I hope they both get better.

Doesn’t sound very nice for either of them :(

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Ummm don't forget about Kimbo

Yeah, I really hate to say that. With the trouble of making main events they could turn to Kimbo especially if he gets a KO on Houston. I personally think Houston will KO Kimbo. We shall see……

I hope Brock gets back soon. It’s crazy to think he might not be able to fight again.

also, I see Dana begging Chuck to come back now.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 14, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

i was listening to sirius fight club last night on the radio and one of the hosts was down at ATT in florida and said kimbo is down there training and weighs 215 and is in the best shape of his life. also said hes learning alot down there.

by JaTinkles on Nov 14, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

man, I hope. I just think he’s too old to learn. His ground game is horrible and I don’t think his hands are all that to brag about. I think Houston tears him up. He’ll be much faster

by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Dos Santos v.s. Valasquez for the interim title.

by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, that’s a possibility. Sherdog.com radio has been talking about it a little bit.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 14, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the best option they have. I hope they don’t pull Mir from 107.

by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this matchup...

I think Big Nog is near the end with all the damage he’s take. I’m all for fresh blood. Curious to see how Mir adjusts/improves his game.

by Koob on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the best option they have. I hope they don’t pull Mir from 107.

by TheAlphaNerd on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

That blows, luckily for the UFC they’ve stacked up their talent in all divisions so something like this which would probably cripple another org the UFC will keep on keeping on.

I would like to see Cain vs. Carwin for the interim HW title in February that’s probably their best fight and both guys deserves it after all they’ve been through in and out of the cage.

by Raker on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Where’s all the trash comments about Lesnar using this “illness” as an excuse to duck Fedor?

In my opinion, that is just as silly and out of line as people saying Fedor was “ducking Lesnar” just because Fedor and M1 didn’t come to an acceptable contractual agreement.

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

lolwut?

You make a comment that no one else made, then you call it silly and out of line?

Feeling ok, sir? :\

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Good thing no one’s saying it, then!

by JRN on Nov 15, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

I am a HUGE Fedor fan but your post makes no sense. No one else said that.

by SamAdkins on Nov 15, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

paranoia is a bitch, huh?

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I know no one said it, that was the point, I was surprised no one said it.

All around this forum I saw hundreds of varied excuses as to why Fedor is ducking Lesnar, and then I don’t see the same thing about Lesnar. Just seems like a double-standard to me.

I’m not some insane Fedor fan trying to maintain his honor, I just think it is funny when there was no way Fedor was ducking Lesnar but everyone did their best to twist everything and say he did and then Lesnar gets some sort of shady mystery illness and no one says jack.
Especially when Lesnar is notorious for being shady.

If you guys are going to be wildly speculative conspiracy theorists, at least be fair and be that way with everyone.

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand your point, but you’re going to have to pick people who are actually saying that and respond to them. Your comment was pretty random and assumes too much in it’s generalization. Do you think that “THEY” are secretly in charge of everything? I think a lot of people just really want to see Fedor vs. Lesnar, were disappointed with Fedor/M-1’s tack in negotiations, and were foolishly trying to goad Fedor, as though he gave a fuck what internet warriors thought. I like Fedor, although I’m by no means a huge fan, and find his no bullshit approach to life and fighting pretty awesome. But it’s easy for me to just ignore any silly garbarge like, “Fedor’s scared of Brock”, “Fedor’s a coward”, etc. Obviously this is complete crap, so try taking it that way, and ignoring it. The joy of being right is being able to laugh at any idiots saying Fedor’s scared, recognize them as trolling schmucks, and go about your day. You know damn well that BE has a pretty great community here, or you’d go elsewhere, so you can also presume that most of us think pretty highly of Fedor, regardless of what people think of his management.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 15, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but your point is silly/not logical.

Fedor + UFC (with Lesnar on board) = Fedor not signing with UFC… = conspiracy theories about ducking Lesnar.

Fedor in SF (won’t fight in UFC) + Lesnar in UFC (won’t fight in SF) + illness + no talks, no potential deals between the two parties… = no conspiracy theories.

by dancingChicken on Nov 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a big Lesnar fan...

I hope the guy doesn’t die, but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he never faught in the UFC again… just my opinion…

by SkeezinSteevin on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

harsh

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Will the man in green please step forward?

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Nov 15, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nog needs to start bleaching the mats. Is he rolling in a pile of dirty syringes or something?

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe he’s been sparring with Kelly Pavlik. Inside the Cleveland Browns locker room.

by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

“Yeah, Rampage, it’s Dana White . . . "

by Chooch on Nov 15, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Not gonna happen

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ANYTHING can happen

if the numbers on the check are big enough

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by duck on Nov 15, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mir just pulled a needle out of his asscheek with extreme disappointment.

The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.

by judonerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

Didn't Mir say in an Article that he wants to End Brock's career?

Maybe he poisoned Brock’s Coors Light….err, i mean Bud Light?

by BNTHIS on Nov 15, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe Lesnar’s spleen erupted?? that is a huge risk when you have mono

by oousty on Nov 15, 2009 1:49 AM EST reply actions  

I hope Big Nog is okay.

Maybe this is a tiny-little blessing in disguise. I really wasn’t looking forward to Nog’s fight with Cain. Much rather see him face Lesnar once both of them have fully recovered.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 AM EST reply actions  

damn.

This is really awful. BROCKLESNAR got me started watching the ufc as he did for a lot of other people. Hopefully gets better and can have a healthy life and with any luck, fight again.

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by Earl Montclair on Nov 15, 2009 2:52 AM EST reply actions  

One of the saddest statements I’ve ever heard.

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LIke it or not...

Brock is the reason a lot of casuals started watching UFC. It’s true in my case, too.

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Nov 15, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

To me, that’s like saying George Foreman grills got you into boxing.

So, would it be safe to assume you were WWE fans and when he jumped ship you became interested in MMA to follow Lesnar?

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Why does that matter?

People watching the sport = good.

The % of people that got starting watching MMA because of someone with ties to pro wrestling is probably ridiculously high, hating on people because Brock got them into the sport is ignorant.

by Phildo on Nov 15, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dave Meltzer has been the #1 journalist in pro-wrestling for about two decades now and his transition into covering MMA as well is the reason quite a few hardcore wrestling fans are now hardcore MMA fans. I was a huge wrestling fan for about 10 years and now MMA is the only thing I watch. The elitism among some MMA fans is pretty fucking retarded.

by Chromium on Nov 15, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, if george foremans grilles ran through boxings heavyweight division to win the title in it’s 5th fight.

by GKINMD on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much

Now, in my case, I also have a wrestling background, and I watched Brock in the NCAA before the jump to WWE. He was entertaining in WWE, and I went to a Summerslam on Long Island to see him. When he quit WWE and eventually started training MMA, I was intrigued. I started watching TUF 9 and some WEC (before stupid Comcast got in the way), and away we go.

So if my motivation to start watching MMA is less than pure, so be it. Sorry I didn’t start with UFC back in the day. I’m the same way with people who started listening to Metallica with the Black Album – posers!

But I bought UFC 100 in HD at $65, I’ve bought a few fights on UFC.com and I’ll probably buy more PPVs and if UFC comes to Baltimore or Washington,. I’m there. I bet Dana White is more than happy to take my money, regardless of why I started watching MMA.

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d.

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by Mike Fagan on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just asking if that’s how he became interested.

I didn’t find the interest in pro wrestling sad, I found the fact that Brock Lesnar isn’t a good example of an MMA fighter and yet people think he is in the upper echelon of MMA. That, to me, is sad.

Sure, no denying Brock is an athlete and a good wrestler, but as a complete MMA fighter, he isn’t good, plain and simple. He is just a big, strong guy that can smother you on the ground and punch hard. That doesn’t interest me and I don’t think it is a good example of the sport.

And, about all the elitist comments, I find them ridiculous.

If not enjoying a brawl match, watered down jiu jitsu and seeing people snuggle with each other for round after round makes me elitist then I’ll gladly accept the name.

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Brock snuggles and smothers?

I’m not a Brock fan by any means. I dislike his persona, I dislike his style, I dislike his fanbase. But you are talking nonsense. He’s a UFC champ, beat two former champs on his way there, and finished both of them inside of 2 rounds. His lone loss came after he nearly finished the fight and he has since avenged it. His lone decision was against a beatable but notoriously difficult to finish Heath Herring. He’s undeniably top 5 in his weight class. Can you explain how is he not an ‘upper echelon’ fighter? Or how supporting him innately equates to ignorance of technique, as you imply in your last sentence?

by pdl on Nov 15, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he beat an old man, a has-been, and is 1-1 against Mir.

That would be my guess, but I have no desire to get back into this discussion – people get way too defensive about Lesnar. All I’m saying is – let’s give him some legit fights before we crown him King of Everything.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

*Sigh*

Is there anybody else here who sees Lesnar as something other than teh suck or godlyke? Can we compromise? And can we stop marginalizing his wins? Nog takes Randy to a decision and both guys get tons of praise, Brock finishes Randy and is told that he beat up an old timer.

Most of those above questions were rhetorical, but could you please tell me who the UFC could put in front of Brock that would be a legit fight in your eyes?

by pdl on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok well

I’m who you’re looking for. I never said he sucks. I said that he hasn’t been tested yet.

And I never praised Nog for beating Couture. I think both guys are over the hill and not going to ever be champion again (unless gifted).

I understand your point, tho, but please don’t lump me in with the others. I’ve been on message from day 1. :)

Also, I thought Carwin would have been the first real test for Lesnar. That isn’t to say that Lesnar sucks, but rather that he has had nicely selected opponents (so to speak).

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, I figure you understand my frustration.

It’s just that every guy in the heavyweight division has a ready built excuse for why Lesnar beats them. Couture is too old. Mir was never good and was overrated after beating Nog. Carwin has less total cage time and is greener than Lesnar, plus he works a full time job and can’t dedicate himself to training. Nog has taken too much damage. Cain only has 6 fights, bigger wrestler will always beat smaller wrestler, pillow hands can’t do any damage. Dos Santos has a fluke win when he was overlooked, beat a washed up Cro Cop, and (presumably) beats a Gonzaga that can’t beat anybody noteworthy. Tim Sylvia sucks and has lost to smaller wrestlers. Andrei Arlovski lost to Tim who sucks, got ran through by a tire mechanic, and looked bad on the ground with tons-o-fun Roy Nelson.

It feels like the only guys who could fight Lesnar and have it be legit are Fedor and Barnett. Fedor because he’s beaten giants before so the size issue isn’t an excuse, and he’s fucking Fedor. Barnett because he’s another huge grappler, an established veteran, and the pro wrestling hate cancels out.

I just want all the Lesnar talk to chill out and be rational, and can’t stand the mentality that so many hardcores have about him. Almost as much as I can’t stand Lesnar’s personality. But lets separate that from his accomplishments.

by pdl on Nov 15, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo.

For the record, I never liked Herring either to debunk that I am some elitist Pride fan whose fandom clouds sound MMA judgements. The UFC knew he didn’t have the chops to beat Lesnar or anyone relevant anymore. Heath Herring was fed to Lesnar to give him a win after the Mir upset and to stall until Lesnar/Mir 2.

I agree with mythbuster that Carwin would have been a good test for Lesnar, other than that, it is hard to say who would be legit other than the obvious fighters because the heavyweight division is so shallow, hence the new ultimate fighter season.

And finally, to clarify, I say Brock sucks because of his technique (or lack there-of), his limited knowledge of mma and the fact that he has not been really tested yet. He can not throw a proper punch to save his life and has the sublety of lighting a cigarette with a blowtorch.

This isn’t to say he isn’t a freak of nature (with the help of steroids) and a phenomenal athlete who, of course, could do some damage to a lot of people just based off his size, speed and power, it has worked so far. Which, I guess, if Lesnar has that advantage, it isn’t really all that important to him to learn and hone his skills?

UNTIL, you have someone like Carwin or, of course, Fedor, whom you can not just bully around or someone who is around the same size with far better technique and more tools at his disposal. I feel, once Brock Lesnar can no longer rely on his brute, he will crumble.

by jcbrewer on Nov 15, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What, so you never heard the analysis of when Lesnar joined the UFC about him being a mainstream name and attracting new fans to the sport? Well, here they are.

Nothing sad about it at all, it’s the effect which the UFC was hoping for when they signed him.

by brad23 on Nov 15, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

wow…More reasons i want PRIDE back

by Killuminati on Nov 15, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why so Sakuraba can convert more pro wrestling fans to MMA?

by Dropkick434 on Nov 15, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dana should be more humble, cause you never know wtf is going to happen… more than a business lesson, a life lesson.

by bleve_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:46 AM EST reply actions  

Only lesson Dana has learned is what to do with all the money he is making, don’t get it twisted for a second. News like this would cripple other orgs the UFC still makes alot of money just like at the UFC 104 buyrate, so let’s not get too crazy with the hyperbole again when we get news like this.

by Raker on Nov 15, 2009 4:58 AM EST reply actions  

Time to bring in Torres, Faber, Brown, Aldo, etc…UFC needs to make something interesting happen quick.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 15, 2009 5:19 AM EST reply actions  

Time to make up with Rampage and Hendo is possible.

by Chromium on Nov 15, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sick Lesnar actually makes for a lot of good matchups.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Nov 15, 2009 6:06 AM EST reply actions  

By the way, Dave Meltzer is reporting to paid subscribers that they already know what’s wrong with Lesnar, they just want to keep it confidential. Considering Lesnar had undiagnosed mono and continued intense training for his fight, my guess is he might have gotten non-viral hepatitis. This is a very serious but not uncommon complication that can happen with mono. It would mean his liver is inflamed. While very serious it is not career-ending and is curable.

A worse possibility is that he has encephalitis, which I hope to God is not the case.

by Chromium on Nov 15, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Even if they do know what’s wrong with him does Dana or anyone else really have the right to report it?

by ufc4 on Nov 15, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

No, and I respect Dana’s reaction to this situation. Meltzer himself obviously did not say what the condition was, except that it wasn’t cancer or AIDS, and it’s unclear whether he was told what it was specifically. I doubt he’d say what it was anyway if he was asked to keep it confidential. Meltzer does have a ridiculous amount of contacts in both the wrestling and MMA worlds though, so he’d be in the loop as much as anyone not actually in Lesnar’s circle of friends/family/training camp/employers.

by Chromium on Nov 15, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

ZOMG!!!!!

Dude! What the hell is going on? Does anybody know why Nog is soo susceptible to getting Staph?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Nov 15, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

No matter how bad he’s sick with it, you just know that Nog will end up subbing the staph bug in the third round.

by brad23 on Nov 15, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I speculate that Brock Lesnar has got diabetes, if he does it would be interesting how an athlete of his caliber will deal with it. Sorry Jay Cutler.

by thesource on Nov 15, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

The pancreas getting damaged is a rare complication from mono so I’d say it’s unlikely it’s not impossible. Usually with adult-onset diabetes though, an athlete of Brock’s caliber would simply have to alter his diet, as far as long term treatment. Probably he could still fight.

by Chromium on Nov 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly think that he never had mono to begin with.

by thesource on Nov 15, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

With all these belt holders and contenders

dropping out due to sickness and illness just reminds me of how durable the LW champ is. Penn is the only one left standing. BJ doesn’t break.

And where’s all the chat/blogs about 107?

Forward Ever, Backward Never...

by Tony NJ on Nov 15, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

TIME FOR CHUCKS COMEBACK FIGHT

Am I the only one thinking that?

Hopefully all of them get better, and we get tons of stacked cards after.

by IRodC on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

I seriously doubt

you’re the only one thinking that. If Chuck can convince Dana he’s medically OK to fight, I would not rule it out. Chuck vs Randy, perhaps?

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i bet Strikeforce is throwing a Party…… they deff got the HW div on lock down now.

by Killuminati on Nov 15, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Did Brock get bit?

Complete conjecture here on my part, (yeah I know there’s a lot of that around here,) but from the timeline, symptoms, and Brock’s usual activities, (ie. hunting) I’d say him picking up Lyme Disease from a deer tick bite is a real possibility.

The fact that he was first diagnosed with a flu and then mono fits the picture also of how early Lyme symptons tend to get misdiagnosed. If he has gone undiagnosed for a while with the Lyme in his blood then he could be in real serious trouble.

A close friend’s wife has been suffering from Lyme disease for the last eight years. She is in constant pain and is either bedridden or is getting around in an electric wheel-chair. At later stages the disease become very similar to full blown M.S. The worst part is that at advanced stages there isn’t any real cure for it.

Again this is pure guess work and conjecture, but I couldn’t shake the thought as I read about Brock’s worsening mystery condition.

by fatbackribs on Nov 15, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Many of us may not like Brock Lesnar’s persona as a fighter. Most folks on this blog are very intelligent and thoughtful, and I think the jokes about Lesnar at this time are in poor taste. Let’s all take a minute to say a prayer for Brock the human being and try to spin some good karma his way. And also use this to remind ourselves to be thankful for our own health. “There by the grace of God go You and I.”

"Mindwarp earthlings seek to change our path" - Nick Blinko

by Skoobs on Nov 15, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

And Nog too, right?

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Nov 15, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK

by duck on Nov 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This could be true...

and the irony of a tick felling a behemoth such as Brock is compelling. Still I think any season hunter and outdoorsman would be aware of that risk and careful to check themselves thoroughly. I am exposed to ticks frequently as a landscaper and they tend to end up in predictable areas.

by Koob on Nov 15, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I had mono..

and it nearly killed me. I was being stubborn and kept working out when I knew I shouldnt have. I lost about 30lbs, had huge sores in my mouth (that made it EXTREMELY painful to eat and drink) and could only stay awake for like 3 or 4 hours a day. Even after those symptoms went away I had chronic fatigue for a year and couldnt go up 4 stairs without getting winded. My liver function was also down and hasnt really gotten back to 100% yet. It SUCKED.
Im not a Lesnar fan but I wouldnt wish illness on my worst enemy. I hope the guy gets better quickly and can get back to doing what he loves.

by ProfessorBLove on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

I'm calling it:

Avian flu caused by fear of fighting Shane Carwin.

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by jemaleddin on Nov 16, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

geez does nog even take a bath after sparring? How did he get staph twice in 6 months?

by DJ Soma on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

The truth is that once you get one once, you are more susceptible to getting it. Also, the fact that he is rolling all day with Brazilians all day can’t help.

by b_radical on Nov 16, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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