More On Sengoku/DREAM/K-1 NYE Co-Promotion. Is Sengoku On Its Death Bed?
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PLENTY of news and rumors in Japan, so lets get started. First, Head Kick Legend reports that DREAM's Tanigawa recently stated that Sengoku/DREAM/K-1 Voltron Co-Promotion is now official for the Japanese NYE event.
We all knew it was coming, Sengoku was set up to fail and had no choice to but hit eject. K-1's Tanigawa went in front of the press today and announced that on New Year's Eve K-1 and World Victory Road would co-promote a giant, 19-bout card featuring stars like Shinya Aoki, Kazushi Sakuraba, Kiyoshi Tamura and so forth. We already know that the main event of this card is slated to be a 5-round war between Andy Souwer and the retiring Masato, and the assumption is now the supporting fight will be the debut of Japanese Olympic Gold Medalist Judoka Satoshi Ishii against 1992 Gold Medalist Judoka Hidehiko Yoshida.
I have also heard a STRONG rumor that the reason why Sengoku may be done is that Don Quijote, its HUGE Japanese sponsor is pulling the plug on them. This is equivalent to PRIDE losing their TV deal, which absolutely crushed them before being purchased by the UFC. The other part of the rumor is that Don Quijote would NOW become a DREAM sponsor, which would be absolutely HUGE for DREAM and K-1. Now, I am not positive about that part of the rumor. According to NOB, Don Quijote has ALWAYS been a huge supporter of Pancrase and Shooto. So much, that they saved Pancrase from dying and was working with Shooto and Sengoku to hold joint events next year. According to his sources, FEG and Don Quijote have been secretly meeting for the past couple of months.
Apparently, the president of Don Quijote, WVR’s main sponsor, and FEG president Tanigawa have since October had numerous ultra secret meetings. They might have come to an agreement on November 6th.
Lets not forget all of those random Japanese reports of Sengoku fighters challenging DREAM fighters. It may be that Sengoku fighters are now starting to look to fight for DREAM and Strikeforce. I have also heard that there are some Sengoku fighters already signed to EA Sports MMA and the alliance trio.
It will also be interesting to see what DREAM would do with Sengoku's roster. It doesn't look likely they will be able to take on everyone of Sengoku's fighters, so it likes like there will be more info coming out from now until NYE. Either way you look at it, this is a huge blow to the the Japanese MMA fans who were hoping that Sengoku would prevail with their no-freakshow attitude towards legitimizing MMA in Japan. On the other hand, this would seem to be a huge gain for Strikeforce and fighters who want to fight in Japan and stateside. Fighters like Antonio Silva, Roger Gracie, King Mo and a group of others appear to have seen the writing on the wall and have since been able to sign with Strikeforce. Other fighters like Gomi and Josh Barnett are trying to find fights stateside at the moment. One this is fore sure, Sengoku's inability to capture the Japanese audience, make money off of their events, and get a TV deal was more than enough evidence that they wouldn't be promoting too many shows in the near future.
Aside from the grim news regarding Sengoku, you have to be pretty excited about a near 20 fight NYE event between Sengoku, DREAM, and K-1 with Masato vs Souwer and Ishii vs Yoshida serving as gigantic Japanese main events. To top it all off, it will more than likely be brought to us stateside on glorious HD. Thank you HDNet!
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A lot of this seems to be rumors you personally heard. So I think it would be nice to know in what capacity you heard these rumors and what exactly it is you do to have access to these rumors. It would just help in judging the content. Thanks for sharing the info.
Just BE.
He provides a few links
Which is followed by some speculation.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I have also heard a STRONG rumor that the reason why Sengoku may be done is that Don Quijote, its HUGE Japanese sponsor is pulling the plug on them.
He sites himself as a source directly here. I would like to know in what capacity he was able to hear such a rumor.
Just BE.
He's allowed to conjecture
Being that he already provided links for other portions of the editorial.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
He can do whatever he wants. He used himself as a source. I have a habit of checking sources to see how reliable they are. Since he is the source I’m asking for some info. to make sure it’s a reliable source.
I not asking for name and social security number. Just in what capacity he personally heard the rumors.
Just BE.
Maybe you don’t understand the premise… He offers multiple sources in the body of the story and then conjectures in relation to the sourced information. It’s totally within his rights. A week ago I knew about Velasquez/Nog before anyone else did because I was told personally, but I didn’t do a story because I didn’t have sources for related information, so I just blurbed it in some comments. He has sources for related information. It’s not a college thesis, he doesn’t have to show his work. It’s nothing new. Take it or leave it— the lack of a source can make it totally unbelievable to you or you can choose to trust him.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Go on
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't have any sources other than personal knowledge
but I’d like to say boosh and/or kakow.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/14/1157637/down-with-the-sickness-antonio
No
he’s Jerry Seinfeld’s butler

Supporting all Las Vegas MMA. Xtreme Couture FTMFW.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Nov 13, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly
This might be the best thing for SRC/DREAM, though it will mean less events.
Also, you state that Gomi and Barnett have signed with SF, and that’s just untrue.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Hoping for a few things...
The merger should allow DREAM to announce fights far enough in advance so all fighters can prepare properly, no more three day notices for fighters. Oh and maybe they’ll be able to supply 10 fights per card, instead of eight and nine.
I’d like to see Title unifications if it happens (Lightweight and Featherweight), and Zaromskis vs. Hornbuckle would be a great fight.
Also it’s true neither Barnett nor Gomi have signed with SF. Barnett is still waiting on the CSAC to start talks and Gomi hasn’t said anything since fighting Hervey and not having the strength to call out MASATO. :p
Word
I really, really hope you’re right about not having three-day advances for fights. The more forewarning, the better. And DREAM can learn some things from Sengoku’s more formal approach, even if they don’t fully adopt it. I don’t mind the circusy stuff and the theatre, because it’s Japanese MMA to me— but they can temper it to lend the fighters some credibility as international pro athletes.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Oh, I like SRC’s 3×5, I thought 1X10,1X5 should have went away with PRIDE. Although I do prefer DREAM’s judges and judging better. After seeing them rightfully give Warren the win over KID and Bibiano over Takaya, I have faith in their decisions. Tired of seeing robberies with SRC’s decisions, yes I am still salty over Omigawa’s gifts and ‘Korean Zombie’ losing to Kanehara.
Oh man..
Omigawa was the worst, for sure. Shit, he had the balls to agree with us. I’m not too picky about the 10+5 or 3×5 because, to me, the 10+5 screams Japanese MMA. But I’d be comfortable either way.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 13, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Oops
Typo. Meant they saw it Sengoku’s problems coming, incorrectly joined them with signed with SF though. Will fix that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sengoku has a glimmer of hope that somehow Yoshida vs Ishii on TBS will bring them some hope, but it is pretty much like rolling the dice with low odds at this point.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
How so?
You think they’ll try to keep moving if Ishii draws huge ratings in his block?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Their hope is that they can get another big sponsor and a TV deal off of NYE based on that fight. That is their only hope, sadly. Like I said, its not very probably.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 13, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's also probably a really bad idea
Ishii is not going to save them if they’re in dire straits. Waaaaay too unproven a commodity to place all of their hopes on, though he could be great some day (and I love Judokas, so of course I think he will be). Better off hoping to see some profits, however limited, from a merger— rather than back away from the offer and emphatically fail alone.
Also, Rec’d. I feel like I should always inform you of that so that you know that I don’t hate you, I’m just tough on you. Haha
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Yeah, it’s a really poor idea to place all your eggs in one basket, especially with someone as green as Ishii. Even if his fight pulls a great number what if he gets hurt? Unless they are happy with only having one or two fight cards a year a merger would probably be a good idea for both of them considering neither is exactly thriving.
by ufc4 on Nov 14, 2009 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Dream gets new life with a major sponsor it will suck for Strikeforce.
by mmalogic on Nov 14, 2009 3:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Couple things:
- Sengoku is not dead.
- WVR/FEG co-promotion on December 31st is still NOT CONFIRMED. Head Kick Legend changed their story.
Figures why no one was reporting that Tanigawa was reporting that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 15, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
Fighters Only Magazine...
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=3410&offset=0
An agent speaking to Fighters Only in Manchester last night said he had been told this rumour is true, and that Sengoku will be unable to continue operating at its current scale without the significant financial backing that the company brought them.
Earlier this week it was reported that Sengoku has cancelled its New Year’s Eve show and will instead be staging a co-promoted event with DREAM. This rumour appears to be true – the managers we spoke to certainly indicated so – and FEG is expected to begin talent-stripping Sengoku’s roster.















