UPDATED: MMA Big Show Owner Speaks About Junie Browning
The story has been updated with more dialogue between Bloody Elbow and Jason Appleton
Yesterday news came out that former UFC fighter Junie Browning now has an arrest warrant in Las Vegas for failure to appear in court. The court date was for battery charges acquired while hospitalized following a suicide attempt. Shortly after the hospital incident Browning was dropped by the UFC. Less than a week later a promotion by the name of MMA Big Show swooped in and signed Browning to main event their November 28 card.
Following the news of Browning's failure to appear in court I reached out to MMA Big Show's owner Jason Appleton to ask about the situation. His responses were interesting, to say the least.
On the arrest warrant:
I just found out about the arrest warrant this morning, an hour ago.
On if MMA Big Show was simply trying to sign a controversial fighter with little regard to his well being [given Browning's recent suicide attempt and apparent instability]:
What's funny is the perception people have on what I've done with Junie. I got a call from his manager asking if I'd stick him on a card and agreed to do so. Simple as that. I book UFC vets all the time and never expected this much attention to come out of it. Do I feel responsible for any of this? I'm not Kanye West and I don't think I'm Jesus so what exactly should I consider myself responsible for? I booked a fighter to fight. I didn't make him do anything nor have I so much [as] spoken with him directly. Junie is responsible for himself and he knows that.
On if MMA Big Show feels that they have any responsibility in the situation to not follow through with the fight or if their concern is "whatever is best for business":
I'm sorry, I do a lot more than write articles for a website so I have to be careful about what I do and don't do. I have $30,000 invested in this event from which I feed my family of 5. Are you telling me I should cancel Junies fight and risk losing tens of thousands of dollars, because of something I just found out about an hour ago and still don't know the details of? I know a lot of you don't like Junie, he has issues. I get that. But while you hate Junie and make attempts at pointing the finger at me for giving him an opportunity, you are still using his name to pump up your web traffic to increase your sites ad revenue. So while you are asking me how responsible I feel about Junies actions, implying I should cancel his bout, maybe you shoud consider pulling everything relating to Junie Browning off your website and give back every dime you've made from writing about him. How responsible do you feel for feeding off a man with obvious issues. You write about the opportunities I provide for fighters who need them. In this situation, you are simply sniping from the saftey of the hills with nothing to lose.
Ignoring the heavy irony of a man who signed Browning to fight mere days after a reported suicide attempt and alleged battery on hospital staff accusing me of feeding off a man with issues, I did decide to resubmit a carefully worded list of questions back to Mr. Appleton to try and further drill into the promotion's mindset in signing Junie, promoting the fight and their plans going forward. I have not yet received a response but will update this post with any details I do receive from this point.
Allow me, before I get to the updated e-mail "interview" with Mr. Appleton, to address some concerns. The reason that I felt this story deserved following up isn't because we're making money hand over fist talking about Junie Browning. At the height of Junie's popularity we weren't making any money off of talking about his season of The Ultimate Fighter. Honestly aside from the Kimbo Slice fight week and the finale events TUF has driven next to none of our traffic as a site.
The reason I felt this was worth looking into is because legitimate news outlets were reporting on the story and pointing out that despite the situation, Browning is booked to fight. I, personally, felt that it would be interesting to talk to the promoter who scooped him up less than a week after he attempted suicide and put him in a main event to see what the promoter feels is his obligation toward A) the well being of the fighters and B) the public image of a sport.
It is also worth noting that this event takes place 3 days before the state of Indiana officially begins regulating MMA. So there will be no state oversight to look into how fit Browning is to compete. The card was in place prior to Browning being brought on as far as I can tell so I am in no way implying that they are ducking sanctioning, simply saying that I would feel more comfortable if he had to go through more comprehensive medical checks as well as having a commission overseeing the entire situation.
With that said...let's move on to the "interview."
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Obviously you were aware of the situation with Browning's suicide attempt and battery charges prior to his manager's request to put him on your show. Why then did MMA Big Show decide to put him on the card in the main event?
I actually wasn't fully aware of the situation at first. I had just heard through the vine that Junie was dropped from the UFC and that day his manager called me to see if I'd want him on a card. As I understood it he had taken some pills and while out of it at the hospital the staff woke him up to drink something to flush him out and he went off a bit not knowing what was going on. I think the media is making a much bigger deal out of this than it truly is.
Was the fact that he had attempted suicide recently a concern in deciding to make the fight? You said that his manager requested it so you booked it "simple as that." Is it really a situation where "simple as that" applies?
Not sure what kind of response you are trying to provoke. I knew Junie had a personal issue and was dropped from the UFC. I didn't know all of the details. Look, Junie has some issues. We all know that but as I've said before, I'm not booking him to babysit my kids or host a lecture on better housekeeping. Junie is a fighter and a fighter with personal conflicts that he's trying to sort out. Only those with the most to hide point in other directions. Junie has admitted repeatedly that what happened was his own fault. He isn't hiding anything and hes taking the steps to better himself because of it. Mistakes are made by all of us all the time. Its whether or not we learn from them that matters.
Was there any request on MMA Big Show's part for Browning to get a psychological evaluation prior to competing? The reason for the question is simply that in the fight game it is dangerous to have a fighter competing at less than 100% mentally as well as the established link between athletic brain trauma and suicide attempts.
Are you serious?
How would you respond to those who say that the promotion has jumped at the opportunity to have a controversial figure on your card as an attention grab despite the entire situation with an attempted suicide and multiple charges of battery?
I know that what you all know from blogs and news media is a lot different than the facts of what went down and this whole situation is being milked and dramatized for the sake of web traffic and tv ratings. Have you ever woke up to a sound in the middle of the night swinging your arms to find out it was your wife coming back to bed after going to the bathroom, or maybe your dog or cat etc? I have, a few times. I'm one of those guys you dont try to wake up or you might get hit. I have sleep Apnea and when I am awoke I dont know whats going on for a while. Junie, allegedly being under the influence of what he took and then being jolted awake by a group of people most likely shook Junie up and was cause for an outlash. I don't know what I would do if I were woke up by a group of people trying to force something down my throat. I'm really not defending Junies actions. I know it sounds like it but I wasn't there. I can't judge Junie for what may or may not have taken place. I'm a fight promoter. If Junie did anything illegal, then a judge will do their job and place judgement but it's not my job or anyone else.
As far as me snagging Junie as an attention grab...of course there is value in media attention as a fight promoter, but this certainly isn't what I had expected to come out of it. So many focus on the negative side of Junie. Fact is, Scott Cornwell as a very talented up and comer that Junie needs to be concerned about and both men are training hard for this fight. This is what Junie needs. A goal set and the desire to achieve it to keep his head focused and clear. Far too many people would rather stand under a man on a ledge and tell him to jump than offer him a hand and a way to rebuild himself.
While you wait on finding out more information from Junie's manager, right now...knowing the bare facts of: Suicide attempt, battery charges and threats to "kill and rape" the family of hospital staff, and now a warrant outstanding in regards to the entire situation...is the MMA Big Show plan to go ahead with the fight as planned?
I've spoken to Junie and his manager. Yes, the fight will move forward as scheduled. It's not my place to discuss what I was told but it appears there was a clerical error and Junies laywers are handling it. The fight is still on and nothing has changed.
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I’m not Kanye West and I don’t think I’m Jesus so what exactly should I consider myself responsible for?
This sentence alone provides the entire interview with enough “what the fuck”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Almost? It’s the definition of surreal.
“Now, I’ma let you finish, but Junie’s suicide attempt was the best attempt this year…” Or something.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Nov 13, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This seems a little too tabloid-like to me. You’ve posted his answers in full, but only alluded to how your questions were worded.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Damn…Im sorry Brent but, he kind of has point here.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 13, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
^^^Responses like this make me face palm.
by Luke Thomas on Nov 13, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Whats weird is Luke backs up Brent, of course that makes sense but for any one to deny that MMA websites eat up Junie Browning news for selfish reasons is just in plain denial.
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
we report on Junie Browning
because people want to read about Junie Browning. No less no more.
There’s a big difference in covering his story and booking him to fight professionally.
Nothing we do entails Junie risking his life and limb.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Understandable, very understandable. But when Junie risks hi slife and limb in any circumstance are you all not right there ready and eager to push it through your website? What if Junie Browning fights and wins a lack luster decision and after refuses to pay the hostess at a bar and calls her a name. Which would you as the title for that nights incidents. Junie Browning wins decision, knocks off Hostess or rather Junie Browning assaults Hostess……..
…………………etc etc…………..
after winning a lack luster decision earlier in the evening….
"What do you want from me?..... A Slap?"
by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Junie Browning celebrates decision by KOing Hostess?
"Hello, Japan"
by rembrandt on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You Win
"What do you want from me?..... A Slap?"
by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know how Jason Appleton would answer you
because people want to read about Junie Browning. No less no more.
We signed him, because people want to see him fight. No less, no more.
There’s a big difference in covering his story and booking him to fight professionally.
By fighting professionally and training for his fight – he gets so much needed focus.
Browning could have read some kind of negative article on BE and that’s why he has problems, that are ultimately caused by his low self-esteem, which is caused by media.
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Which could be the truth who knows. Would you want to jump on message boards to see if you had fans, people excited to see you fight and instead read all the negative articles and even while you get into that octagon for the people they just judge you?
I mean granted his actions are his fault soley, im sure it damages self esteem quite easily
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Serious question – why not just report on the warrant then? Why go straight to the promoter of his next fight and front-page his response?
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
because we were curious as to what they were going to do
since the have a fight booked with fighter who has a felony warrant for his arrest. It’s news worthy.
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I get that. But still the point remains you will eat up all the negative Junie Browning news possible as the promoter said.
"What do you want from me?..... A Slap?"
by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I tend not to follow Junie a whole lot, I prefer more articles on training and such since I fight for a loving but ya sure I read it. And me reading it as well as others make your website function.
So?
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very cool typo, "I fight for a loving"
I would also like to see more articles on training and diet and such here. An entire section on those topics would be stellar.
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whose “you guys”
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?
What do YOU mean, YOU PEOPLE?
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
HUH!
Love that movie… Hehe
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by funnytiger on Nov 13, 2009 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From my vantage point
especially since it’s not my article, I don’t understand all the hate on Brent and BE and all the love for a random promoter who has never merited national coverage until he does something that could charitably be described as bottom-feeding.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed nate
If Dana White signed a guy a week after he went crazy and got arrested they’d rip him a new asshole but this D bag does it and all these people who probably hate junie thinks it’s great.
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t think there was any hate… just people saying that the guy might have a point. As we all know, promoters aren’t the bastion of the moral high ground… is anyone really surprised that this guy answered like this?
A warrant for missing court for slapping someone isn’t exactly that scandalous, although the guys obviously a nut.
DW sent Rampage into the cage with Silva at a point when he was mentally unstable… seems like exactly what most promoters would do.
Do you think convicted felons should be shunned from the workforce or given the same opportunites as everyone else?
Do you think that Junie should be banned from MMA and forced to find another line of work? And if so, would you agree that taking his identity (professional fighter) away from him could also lead to depression and withdrawal and a “nothing to live for anymore” attitude—further increasing suicide risk?
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Oh, COME ON. There’s a huge difference between “banning” a convicted felon and asking SERIOUS QUESTION about the moral integrity of booking someone to fight professionally less than a week after a serious mental, emotional and physical health episode. That’s very very obvious.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Exactly.
You don’t need to ban him from MMA, no, I don’t think anyone would suggest that.
But certainly get him some psychological help before you put him in a situation where he is going to be overwhelmed with adrenaline and emotion. It’s just not right…
"Hello, Japan"
I don’t think the BE staff are getting defensive. They are probably a bit confused as to where this, er, attack? is coming from.
BE gives fight news….
This is fight news…
Not only that, this story seems to be more about MMA Big Show’s actions in signing someone who is very unsafe, has a warrant, and is just generally mentally ill. This really isn’t about Junie at all. It’s about the fact MMA Big Show is signing this fighter when it really isn’t healthy for the fighter in any way.
A loss in this fight could kill him.
That’s not a good thing at all.
"Hello, Japan"
by rembrandt on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I fight for a loving"....
Easily one of the coolest typo’s I have seen on here….LOL
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
Are there any other mma blogs that aren’t going to report on this? I doubt it, if it’s newsworthy why wouldn’t they report on it? I don’t get it, like it or not Junie is a pretty big name in the mma world even though he hasn’t accomplished anything yet. If Kimbo did the same thing and they reported it would you all still be bitching?
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
every fighter is risking life and limb. it’s the athletic commissions job to decide whether junie is fit to fight, not appleton’s.
and reporting on browning consistently only adds to his buzz, which in turn makes people want to see him, which is going to give appleton an incentive to book him.
there’s nothing wrong with fans wanting to see junie fight, even if it is because he has made himself out to be a public fuck up. there’s nothing wrong with appleton signing him to fight to meet that demand. and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with sites like bloody elbow reporting on newsworthy items about junie that people want to read. what there is a problem with is a site like bloody elbow condemning appleton for what he;s doing when what the site is going isn’t all that different, no matter how you try to spin it.
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if you don’t see the difference in reporting on stories and booking people under felony indictment to fight, not much else to say.
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again, if browning’s legal troubles prevent him from fighting, that will be the end of it. the basis
the similarity is appleton is promoting a fighter who people want to see fight and bloody elbow is writing articles on a fighter people are interested in reading about. both are exactly what promoters and media are supposed to do.
on top of that, the article doesnt really touch on the felony indictment. the point of it, to me, is asking appleton if he was “simply trying to sign a controversial fighter with little regard to his well being” or if he feels “any responsibility in the situation to not follow through with the fight.”
we weren't required to ask the guy anything
we could very easily have just blasted him for what he’s doing. personally, if I cared enough about this story to write about it, that’s what I would have done, just served Mr Appleton a big hot cup of “hey asshole, what the fuck do you think you are doing?”
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by Kid Nate on Nov 13, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well if you ask a somewhat retarded promotion why they signed a somewhat retarded fighter, you get a somewhat retarded answer.
Kinda like if you ask DW if he feels bad about his fighters not having insurance or what their fight careers are doing to their families… you think he gives a two shits.
Dana cares about lots of his fighters
Obviously not Tito and a handful of other guys, but there are plenty of dudes he takes care of. And it’s not just the stars either. There are a lot of negative things to say about Dana, but this one is way off the mark.
Luke, cmon my man, Im just saying , I feel where he is coming from
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree the guy does have some valid points alongside some very questionable ones
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
We asked the promoter for a response. There’s positively nothing wrong with that. In fact, it’s probably a good idea since a guy who is in their main event is on the run from the law. It’s certainly important to know what the company plans to do in light of this very serious fact.
And making money from traffic off of Junie Browning? I study BE’s metrics every single day. If the promoter would like the .35 cents Junie’s made us, I can send him an e-check over PayPal. The idea we are doing this for some sort of cheap monetization is both flat wrong and just an embarrassing suggestion.
And if the rest of you are foolish enough to buy into the absurd notion that MMA promoters are altruists looking out for fighters best interests, you can keep that idiotic idea to yourself. I certainly don’t think Appleton is out to hurt anyone intentionally, but to think that he’s morally superior to anyone else – least of all bloggers or journalists – is downright laughable. He’s making a trade with Junie, no more and certainly no less. Both parties are agreeing to the deal for mutual benefit.
You guys need to sit back and think about what happened here. A very, very troubled person made horrible life and career decisions, then was picked up by a promoter to fight. Before said fight could happen the fighter compounds his problems by running from the law. We ask the promoter for a response, which is about the most innocuous and frankly responsible thing we can do (we didn’t blast Big Show without seeking comment). Said promoter gives us a crazy reply and we publish it. Now some of you want to side with him because you think this non-medical professional is actually doing Junie favors? And worse, you guys think we make money off of him? What planet are you people living on? How warped can some of you be?
by Luke Thomas on Nov 13, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“He’s making a trade with Junie, no more and certainly no less. Both parties are agreeing to the deal for mutual benefit.”
That says it all right there. There’s nothing wrong with what Appleton is doing.
What you and a lot of others are failing to realize is that fighting is Junie’s job. If I was in the midst of a personal downward spiral, does my employer have some type of personal responsibility to force me to stay home from work? Do potential employers have a duty not to hire me even though my work might be beneficial for their company?
The fight is probably going to get called off due to the warrant anyway. If Junie clears his shit up, the fight goes on. If Junie doesn’t, it’s a no go. Appleton has no responsibility to call it off before there’s more definite information regarding Junie’s availability.
Like, I don’t get it.
Did we print a story about this promoter booking Junie to fight when it happened and say how awful it was? NO.
We followed up with him AFTER it was revealed the fighter was ducking the law. That’s it.
That it’s acceptable for Junie to be booked is one question. What the promoter plans to do now that Junie has exacerbated his legal troubles is another. We were seeking comment about the latter.
If my job involved working with machinery that could pose a threat to me if I weren’t paying attention and my head wasn’t on right, then yes, I would expect to not be allowed to work, provided my boss knew about it.
While this isn’t exactly a unionized sport, your boss is responsible for you while you’re on the clock. If I’d recently tried to commit suicide, you bet your butt I wouldn’t be allowed to come back to work until I’d been cleared.
Not to be that guy...
but having been in the journalism business for a few years before my curent career, and having a B.S. in Journalism (yes, snicker away), I must side with the BE guys on this one.
The characterization of the one question about “or do whatever is good for business” may not be the most neutral question ever asked, but the point of the article is a valid one – does this promotor have a problem with booking a guy with an active felony warrant?
Not that he should care about teh opnion of one poster, but I have been extremely impressed by the professional standards used by BE on severl; topics lately. The analysis of the Strikefore numbers on CBS, coverage of the Dan Henderson contract impasse and the pursuit of responses from those they are covering. Maybe we’re getting spoiled by BE, but the vast majority of sports blogs simply don’t attempt to do much more than aggregate news items and offer off-the-cuff analysis and maybe some rudimentary number crunching.
BE posed a question, did some research, and actually asked the person involved, and printed his response. As simple as that may seem, not many sports blogs do that.
My hat’s off to the BE crew – they are bringing some professional reporting to the sport of MMA, and I believe actually helping make MMA more mainstream in their professional coverage of it.
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by duck on Nov 13, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I agree I tip my hat to BE. This is my home for MMA news. This particular article feels self-righteous to me though. It’s one thing, in your own life or organization or whatever to control things. If you have a writer that works for you and you think it’s creating a dangerous situation for him and you decide that he needs to be let go or go on a leave or something that’s one thing, but to impose your own moral scruples upon another is self-righteous and lame. Junie has the right to fight unless the law tells him not to. Appleton has the right to decide whether or not it’s his place to tell Junie that he knows better than him.
I don't think that's what Brent did
Brent asked the guy if Junie’s current situation affected his thinking in the booking, and also asked the extremely relevant question of whether the promoter wanted to get Junie checked out by a doctor for mental health issues before he fought so quickly after a suicide attempt. Appleton explained his thinking and defended his decision to book Junie. And Brent gave his responses attention by quoting them, not paraphrasing or atatcking them, but quoting them in context.
Many times in an interview, pointed questions have to be asked to get concise answers on specific topics. Brent gave Appleton the avenue to address these issues, he took it, and Brent printed his answers in full with little editorializing.
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Right...
people seem to think that I’m trying to push for the fight to not happen. I’m not.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Personally...
I didn’t see anything in your questions that would lead me to believe you were. Obviously, that was not the majority opinion of commenters on this thread…. :)
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
this^
The first opinion i formed was thaty Brent was trying to attack the promoter for doing something ‘wrong’. It seems that this isn’t the case.
My honest opinion is that this promoter is fully within his rights to do what he’s doing. He has NOT committed any morally hellacious act. Could he be more caring? Sure. But it’s not required of him and i’m nobody to judge another person’s actions.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 14, 2009 6:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And due to Brent's questions
you can form that opinion with many more facts than were available before.
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Agreed
its come tot he point where i come here to verify any rumor or story i have heard
if it isn’t here, it isn’t happening
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by blubber_guard on Nov 14, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?! / office space
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look, I already told you, I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don’t have to….
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kind of personal and insulting. Can you keep your comments restricted to the topic and not our persons?
1. Should we send Junie out on an ice floe to die?
2. Should we cut him off from his only current source of income and his own self-identity, i.e., his sense of self-worth stemming from what is possibly his only talent in life?)
3. Do you see the similarities between #1 and #2?
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So anyone who fights should be allowed to fight regardless of behavior or health concerns. Noted
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Health concerns yes. Behavior questionable.
If someone has been convicted of a crime, do they or do they not still have the right to a job and income?
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Certain types of jobs and income yes. Especially when they’re actively avoiding the act of being tried for said crime.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Please try to remember that fighting is not a right.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. How does anyone know he’s actively avoiding the crime? People find out about outstanding warrants all the time for crap as little as parking tickets.
2. Why not? Says who? Are you sure? Can you explain to me what the essential difference between being a paid fighter, paid actor, paid musician, or paid MMA blogger is?
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
This is the reason why we push for regulation. So that fighters who are not able to handle the act of the fight are not allowed.
By definition a right would indicate that you should be allowed to fight regardless of anything else…health or otherwise.
If I have a heart defect should I be allowed to fight because it is “my right?”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
That depends on how vigorously you defend individual rights of choice. If a person chooses to end his life, should you force him not to? I’m not saying yay or nay, and obviously regulation serves a purpose, but where do you draw the line? Where do you say "we’re making the decision for this guy, even though we only know ‘so much’.
You are kinda pulling a straw man on me. I’m arguing that people with personal histories or criminal records should be still able to fight. You are trying to make it sound like I’m arguing that people with heart defects should be able to fight. I’m not, and I see a huge difference between the two.
So, once again, who gets to judge whether Junie should be allowed to make money at his profession? Should R. Kelly be prevented from singing? Should Robert Downey Jr be prevented from acting?
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Who gets to judge?
well…I’d say a judge….
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. not other citizens. and according to a lot of people, not responsible journalists either. the word “allegedly” is being severely underused here.
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I do think you need to accept..
that fighting is not a “right” nor is acting or playing any other sport..etc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
why? Socrates didnt solve that one, and neither will you or I. And if you DO accept your definition of “right”, noone outside the legal system gets to judge.
Hence my arguement, that we need to chill the hell out and quit pointing fingers like we know some universal secret truth about right and wrong.
Thanks for the interview—my problem is not with anything above the comments section—but as journalists, some of the writers here might try letting people form their own opinions.
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But...
a lot of the problem was being told what my intentions were. People can have their own opinions all day long as far as I’m concerned. But I’m not going to stand by and be told that I intended to get the fight pulled or whatever.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Listen, I think you are being overattacked and I don’t believe that was your intention. I think making him answer questions that the public wants to know is essential, and MMA needs more journalists and less editorialsts, so kudos.
However, a few editors here should remember that “seeking comment” is very different than passing judgement.
Also, some of the BE staff (not directing this at you, Brent) might consider taking your journalistic responsibilites here more seriously by not ridiculing people who have different opinions than you. One person in particular is really getting pretty personal with it.
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The only ones passing judgment are the people claiming Brent went into this with some sort of agenda other then a concern for the health and well being of a fighter who obviously isn’t in a good place mentally right now.
there is a reason our penal system is one big revolving door, and it has a LOT to do with people thinking that an offender can never repay their debt to society, and that its their own personal responsibilty to hoist them up on the pole and point fingers until they are marked men.
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no one is arguing that Junie shouldn't be allowed to fight again ever
we’re questioning the ethics of booking him for a fight five days after a suicide attempt and battering charge. This promoter, IMO, is willing to risk Junie’s life to make a quick buck.
There’s no comparison between that and what we do here at BE.
Personally, I don’t think Junie should be licensed to fight until his criminal charges are resolved and he completes a course of counseling.
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at the risk of beating the dead horsemeat, do you think its possible that canceling this fight also puts Junie at risk? ever been fired from a job before?
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This sounds like you’re arguing about something else. I agree more needs to be done to rehabilitate people coming out of prison so they can find work and be productive, but that’s irrelevant here. Being a fighter is different than the “average” felon having a hard time finding work when they’re released. A fighter has license to commit violence in a structured sporting event. It’s not something anyone can get a license to do, whether they’re a felon or not, and for the health of the individuals involved and the integrity of the sport going forward, there need to be high standards for fighters in terms of mental health, physical fitness and legal issues.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 13, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me...
you see mental health issues as less serious than physical health issues. Many would disagree with that sentiment.
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Dangerous professions typically won’t allow a person to work if they’ve done anything like what Junie’s been up to lately. I hope he gets some help, but he has far greater troubles than not being allowed to fight. And Brent did nothing except ask the promoter a couple of very relevant questions, and watched as the guy went all ballistic missile defense on him. This is just good reporting. The promoter seems to have failed to even consider these questions to begin with, and thus got really defensive. He could’ve just said that they’d signed Junie, pending him being cleared to fight, acknowledged the concerns, and stated that the commision would have final say over Junie’s eligibility, finished with something nice about how he hoped Junie would be able to get his mental and legal issues sorted out, and gone on his merry way.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 13, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. He does sort of have a point. It doesn’t make him right or wrong or whatever, but there’s a moral dilemma no matter how you point your finger, so the only safe zone is to not point fingers and let everyone take responsibility for them self. You obviously feel like writing about Junie doesn’t affect Junie the same way booking him to fight does, but how do you know this? How do you know that Junie doesn’t come here and feed off the attention, which goes to his head and creates egomaniacal behavior which creates depression etc. Is that a stretch? Maybe, but the fact is, you don’t know. You also don’t know if fighting is the only possible therapy for Junie at this point.
It’s fun to point fingers and take moral high ground stances over someone else, and the world seems so clear when we look out at what other people do, and it’s conversely a lot easier to delude ourselves and justify our own actions. I mean didn’t he answer your second question when he said he had found out an hour ago; and that he received a call from his manager and booked the fight?
I also think that your phrasing of the last question (whatever’s best for business) is a little bit leading and self-righteous when you present to him a moral quandary in which you’ve already taken the moral standpoint and leave him to either be holy or greedy/selfish.
I tried to reread
this article by mentally replacing “Junie Browning” with simply “a fighter” and asked myself A) Is this still an issue I should be concerned about and B) How much should a promotion be held responsible for a fighter’s activities outside the ring/cage?
If this had been Jason MacDonald, I’m not sure there would be much ink to follow this story. I’m also not sure if promotions should take a wait-and-see attitude with fighters because they may have pending legal issues. Kinda like a right to work sorta thing, I guess.
by rzor on Nov 13, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey Brent!!
I have to take the side of the promoter as well as the fighter here with 1 caveat. If Junie is cleared to fight, he has a right to make a living. Same goes for the promoter. If what he said is true about being contacted by Junie’s manager, why shouldn’t both of them do their respective jobs & earn income?
Bear in mind I have no clue if his supposed suicide attempt is on record for clearance to fight (I hope it would be).
by frickshun on Nov 13, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
“If Junie is cleared to fight…”
There is no athletic commission to clear Junie to fight, or say that he can’t. No offense, but it seems like you only read bits and pieces of the article. The fight is happening 3 days before Indiana regulates MMA, meaning no medical evaluations.
by Swordslasher on Nov 13, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
hence the fight arguably being completely legal, although less than ideal
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It is legal? Possibly. He has a warrant out for his arrest, meaning cops can arrest him before the fight.
But Frickshun did not say that if the fight is legal, let it go. He said if Junie is cleared to fight, let it go. He is not being cleared by anyone. There is no limitations on who can fight. It’s not like he is going to a commission and asking for a license, and not being evaluated. There is no commission to allow him to fight.
by Swordslasher on Nov 13, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
So lets all call Indiana and get a commish started. Until then, this is all above the table. Junie has a right to sign a contract, the promoter has a right to give him one, and the cops have the right to send Junie’s ass to jail. I just wanna see what happens first — nailbiter
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It is started...as of the 1st of December.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Appleton FTW. Seriously.
I’m sick of this pussy criticism of the guy for booking Junie after his “incidents.” Junie’s technically not a child so he can make his own decision. Despite Junie’s problems, fighting is still his job. Appleton was offered the opportunity to promote a fighter with a larger-than-average fanbase and he jumped on it, as any logical businessman would. He has no moral or legal obligation to not sign Junie up to fight if the guy wants to fight.
In short, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Appleton signing Browning up to fight. The argument can be made that training for a fight is exactly what somebody like Junie needs to keep focused.
And, from a monetary perspective, is Appleton’s show going to garner a significant increase in profits because of Junie’s recent mishaps? The answer is an unequivocal no. Fans in the area who were going to pay to see Browning now are the same who would have wanted to see him before his suicide attempt/assaults. I highly doubt anyone is saying, “I wasn’t going to go see that fight, but now that I heard about how that one guy tried to kill himself, I’m definitely going!”
Fail. On every level.
by dropkick101 on Nov 13, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I think you underestimate the decency of the common folk. Plenty of people will turn up just to see if Junie does something crazy again. Whether Appleton is counting on that shouldn’t really matter though.
But you are completely correct in the fact that Junie’s an adult, and can make his own decisions. As can the promoter.
Honestly though, couldn’t Appleton have just said “No comment?”
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
er, overestimate
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. There will be both sets of people. The people eager to see someone fail and the people actually wanting to see Junie fight.
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean if he tries to kill himself in the middle of the cage? I doubt that.
Or if he assaults someone? Isn’t that what he’s being paid to do?
Crazy can mean a lot of things.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Fail as in do something stupid again, be arrested, act like he did in TUF house etc.
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
you guys are missing the point
Junie HAS A WARRANT OUT FOR HIS ARREST.
That is the news. We sought comment from the reporter about that development.
It’s entirely possible that if Junie shows up to fight that police will be there waiting for him and will take him away in handcuffs.
The question isn’t about the decision to book Junie, it’s about the response to the arrest warrant.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Really?
“On if MMA Big Show feels that they have any responsibility in the situation to not follow through with the fight or if their concern is “whatever is best for business”:"
That was Brent’s description of his own question.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
If Appleton chooses to proceed with the fight
despite Junie having a warrant out for him, it’ll be pretty clear what his motivation is.
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Schedule another UFC vet to bring in audiences to make money?
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
his motivation is clear. promote a fighter who people want to see.
it’s up to junie to clear up the warrant situation. if he doesn’t, he’ll be arrested beforehand. a guy that’s fighting in a heavily publicized cage fight isn’t all that hard to find.
But...
If people want to see Browning fight and Junie shows up for the fight and the police are waiting there with cuffs and shackles, Appleton’s going to have a much bigger problem on his hands.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Getting into he said/he said isn’t going to get anywhere, so I won’t continue after this, but I would just like a point cleared up -
You just said:
The question isn’t about the decision to book Junie, it’s about the response to the arrest warrant.
Yet, you’re still commenting on the promoters motivation.
I think what people are saying is that reporting on the news is one thing. Editorializing it is quite another. I always thought BE was a little above this kind of stuff, that’s all.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
we're above editorializing?
since when? we’re primarily and opinion site.
Brent raised some questions about the ethics of what MMA Big Show is doing.
If you don’t like what we’re doing, feel free to go elsewhere.
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No reason to get so defensive Nate, I do like what you’re doing and I’m not going to go anywhere. I like it here. I just see a level of contradiction in what you’re saying, that’s all. Simply stating my opinion.
And editorializing was probably a poor choice of words. Tabloiding might have been better, if that could be referred to as a real word.
Either way, I’ll stop now. Thanks for responding to my comments.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
the contradiction probably comes
from Brent writing the piece and me being the one in the comments. We’re coming from different places, with different takes on the story.
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Whoa man, keep it together.
These are just people’s opinions on an uncommon situation featuring an explosive MMA celebutante.
If there’s a warrant out for his arrest, the police are gonna contact his job/employer as part of finding him. That would lead to his agent who booked the fight with Appleton. That’s probably who you guys should be interviewing. If you got no comment from him, then that should probably be included in the article. Just another opinion.
Keep up the good work.
“The question isn’t about the decision to book Junie, it’s about the response to the arrest warrant.”
Every one of brents questions focuses around the suicide attempts. It seems to me the issue Brent is trying to raise isnt about his arrest warrant but more about how much responsibility the promoter takes with regard to the safety of the fighter and what impact the suicide attempt may have on his thought process.
I honestly can’t believe you’re saying stuff this outlandish.
by Luke Thomas on Nov 13, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm..
“Junie’s technically not a child”
True, but what about his mental health? The guy is obviously not right. You can treat him as a functioning adult operating sensibly.
“Is Appleton’s show going to garner a significant increase in profits because of Junie’s recent mishaps? The answer is an unequivocal no.”
Bullshit.
Humanity is fail. On every level. It’s nice that you think so highly of it though…
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Yeah..
I agree with a lot of other people on this thread that say that Junie has the right to make a living and there’s no evidence to suggest he will somehow be more mentally stable when he isn’t in the gym training and making income. His behaviour made him a liability to the UFC, so if some other promotion will employ him without worrying about the PR his behaviour entails, then what’s the problem? He can seek out mental therapy whilst making a living (or not, for that matter), you know..
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I hope I don't get banned for it
But I agree with Appleton. All he did was book a fighter. If anything he is doing Junie a favor by giving him a chance to get back on his feet. I’m sure he has bills he needs to pay. Meanwhile, the MMA press does profit off pushing his stories. He is clearly a sensitive person, and these articles may actually affect his his mindset. There is some clear hypocrisy in criticizing Appleton
At the end of the day though, its no ones responsibility but Junie’s for his well being. He is an adult
by HighNoon on Nov 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Not ban worthy IMO but I agree with you
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
On if MMA Big Show was simply trying to sign a controversial fighter with little regard to his well being [given Browning’s recent suicide attempt and apparent instability]:
Why should they care about his well being? If he’s cleared to fight and wants to, there’s nothing else to discuss.
If the long arm of the law doesn’t stop the fight first, I see no problem.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed as well. Junie does show potential but he is similar to Tyson. Alot of people arent aware of how truly great Tyson was in his prime instead outshadowed by his face tattoo, behavior, arrests etc. Junie isnt great but he has promise if only he grew up a bit.
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thats correct. If he was medically cleared than who are we or anyone at that matter to say he cant fight for a living?
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
There is no regulation or commission to determine if he is medically cleared to fight.
by Swordslasher on Nov 13, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean cleared to fight?!
There is no regulation in this area until three days after the fight.
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damn
a lot of backlash…. although I do agree junie needs to make money, most likely for hospital bills and court, but it’s not as simple as appleton’s right brent’s wrong. more like a moot point, in my opinion.
by cagefightonacid on Nov 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its more like Brent is correct in his interest into the promoters decision, and the promoter is correct in his remarks concering the media and websites feeding off it. So more like both are correct and wrong simultaneously
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by xtremecouture on Nov 13, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is the kind of post that makes me want to ban everyone commenting on it.
Just saying.
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Nate, my dude, what's wrong with everyone opinion
I don’t think anybody is really co-signing with what the promoter is , it’s just understanding the other side of the side of the situation.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 13, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Remind me not to agree with u again
Just sayin
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just returned home so I am catching up on the comments.
The reason that I went this route (speaking to the promoter…etc) is simple. Vegas had major news sources reporting on the warrant and the fact that despite this entire situation he is going to be fighting. It’s an odd response when simple things like War Machine in porn elicits responses of “this is the last thing the sport needs!” but a guy tries to commit suicide and racks up assault charges and manages to get a fight booked less than a week later and it’s cool….
THEN he skips his court appearance and gets a warrant for his arrest and the fight is going to go on as planned. I simply asked the promoter for information.
I’m posting his updated responses along with my full questions (just to eliminate any worry anyone has) as I was not trying to attack the guy upon the initial questions…but simply ASK the PROMOTER what he feels his responsibility is in this situation.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
i dont think there’s any argument that you did exactly what someone in the media should have done. i think the argument a lot of people are talking about, whether or not you intended it to happen, is whether appleton is doing something wrong by contracting junie to fight.
Brent didn't say it was wrong
He gave the guy an opportunity for HIM to say there’s nothing wrong with it.
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by duck on Nov 13, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Junie and the police are the only ones with responsibility in my opinion. I don’t think the promoter has anything to do with it at this point.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sure he does.
He’s promoting an event with a draw that could very possibly be a cancellation or no-show.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
An excellent point
And one I think is being underestimated in this discussion
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by duck on Nov 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
If the card changes, he needs to let people know. Until then, it’s not his problem.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not his problem?
I hope he can explain to his family of 5 where that $30,000 went if something goes awry between now and the show and he’s got a shit ton of problems on his hands.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I meant whether Junie should fight or not is not his problem. By problem, I meant decision. That’s up to Junie and the police. If Junie still wants to fight, and the police aren’t aggressively coming after him, fight.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Beyond the legal aspect of it, though, this is obviously a person with some considerable issues right now. Relying on him at this point might be a pretty big crapshoot.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
What jobs have you worked where outside legal troubles didn’t affect it? Particularly ones where there was a warrant out for your arrest on serious charges?
I’ve worked jobs from Chick-Fil-A to the USMC to speech writing and in every case outside legal trouble, if serious enough (and this qualifies) affected it. If nothing more than to get a response from a promoter, which is why we asked in the first place.
getting a response from the promoter is exactly right. i would have done the same thing.
asking “what are you planning to do now that junie browning has a warrant out for his arrest” would have been merely attempt to get a response from a promoter. the latter two questions in the article are accusatory and imply that the promoter is engaging in some type of nefarious conduct.
i dont think its entirely out of bounds either. what im saying is the way the question is worded essentially brings up the argument over whether its right for appleton to be promoting junie, given the circumstances.
way i see it, there are decent rationales on both sides of that argument. i happen to fall on the side that appleton is doing nothing wrong here and is sort of being made out by some as a bad guy of sorts, despite just finding out about the warrant in the past few hours.
but as they say, reasonable minds can differ.
as a side note, you bloody elbow guys really stick together. over at fightlinker we make it a point to consistently disagree with fellow writers. keeps shit exciting.
I wouldn’t go that far, but the point is valid. It’s not about WHY Brent asked, it’s about WHAT Brent asked. Appleton should have said no comment, but it sort of seems like he got blindsided a bit, that’s all.
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
this was an exchange over e-mail. Blindsided can be handled by not sending a response.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Beer Monster on Nov 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I would consider pushing the whole “card subject to change” thing to the brink of fraud fairly nefarious.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want to know...
what the promoter feels is his obligation to the well being of the athlete (aside from simply “I put money in his pocket”) as well as the well being of the sport overall. If Fox is reporting that this suicidal fighter who attacks hospital staff is now on the run from the law but is still going to fight in a week…what image does that relay about the sport and the promotion? Come watch the crazy man fight in a cage!
I want you to think about this and answer it honestly. If a promotion booked Paulo Filho to compete 5 days after his mental breakdown in the cage against Chael Sonnen what would your reaction have been? Now…bear this in mind…that was simply a guy losing it in a fight. Browning attempted suicide and attacked a hospital staff and then was booked 5 days later to fight again.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
was booked
Who booked him? His agent/manager? Any word from him on why? Any word form the people who released him in the first place? Was he legally cognizant?
I’m not trying to be snotty, but I’m wondering why the last person in this chain of events was questioned? Was he the only one “considerate” enough to write back, so to speak?
And what kind of spit-take did you do when you read the Jesus line? :)
He asked the promotor...
because he’s the one who made the decision to sign Junie to fight weeks after a suicide attempt.
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The last person in the chain of events is not the promoters. He is the first. he has to make the fight…if he says no…there is no fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I got a call from his manager asking if I'd stick him on a card and agreed to do so
I’m curious about the guy who decided to manage his career in this manner. Not absolving the promoter of anything.
Gee, thanks. :)
I just assumed the manager was a soulless greedy bastard, as I do with most managers in most individual sports. Personal bias, I guess.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
It simply shows that there’s a demand for this kind of thing. I certainly wouldn’t pay for it, but others would and that’s the reality of it. Shouldn’t you be writing about all those who are paying to see this event, instead of just the promoter himself?
This sport isn’t as pristine as some would like it to be already.
I also think we’re very hung up on the legal trouble and not the fact that this guy signed Browning to main event a card…less than a week after attempting suicide.
As I pointed out in my e-mail back to the owner…there is a strong link that has been established between concussions in athletics and suicide attempts. And he makes it clear that he had no interest in asking Browning to undergo any sort of evaluation to ensure that he was fit to fight on the card.
This is an important point…
MMA in Indiana is not supervised by a state athletic commission until DECEMBER 1, 2009. This event takes place 3 days before there would be appropriate oversight to ensure that Browning is fit to fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
MMA in Indiana is not supervised by a state athletic commission until DECEMBER 1, 2009. This event takes place 3 days before there would be appropriate oversight to ensure that Browning is fit to fight.
I really, really want to believe that this is just coincidence, but it’s pretty damning whatever the case.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I will say this...
I’m pretty sure the card was in place first. I’m not saying that they’re avoiding having it sanctioned. I’m just saying I would prefer if he had to go through full state athletic commission checks before fighting.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that would make the situation a lot more kosher.
by worldcupfever on Nov 13, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
“I also think we’re very hung up on the legal trouble and not the fact that this guy signed Browning to main event a card…less than a week after attempting suicide.”
Thats what I was thinking too. The suicide appeared to be your main concern as the bulk of your questions focused around it.
I’d be keen to read more on the link between suicide and concussions. Could you point me in the direction of any journals or anything?
From where I sit the promoter has 2 issues to grapple with:
1) Junie has a warrant out
The issue here for the promoter is that Junie gets pulled from the main card and ruins the show and potentially the negative perception associated with putting a ‘crim’ on the card. He clearly is happy with the outcomes there so good luck to him. Id probably agree with his stance here.
2) There is talk of Junie attempting suicide
For this to be an issue for him, he has to make a link that putting Junie on the card could increase the likelihood that he tries to do it again. I dont know if I would make that link. I hear your comment on the concussions, but on the flip side of that is mentally how would Junie do if he just had a pay day taken away from him. Getting pulled from the card would suck and could potentially result in him getting more depressed and trying to kill himself again.
Potentially you could argue that due to his mental state Junie is in no position to fight and there is a risk that he may be more susceptible to harm in the cage as a result. Maybe thats true, but its also true of fighters entering the cage nursing injury and fighters who are fatigued entering the cage from big weight cuts so I dont think thats enough consideration to pull him from the card.
I think with consideration given to the effect on the promotion and the effects on Junie, I can understand and dont really fault the promoter as I could quite easily see myself making the same choices.
Again...
If a promotion booked Paulo Filho to compete 5 days after his mental breakdown in the cage against Chael Sonnen what would your reaction have been? Now…bear this in mind…that was simply a guy losing it in a fight. Browning attempted suicide and attacked a hospital staff and then was booked 5 days later to fight again.
“what if not being allowed to fight makes him try again” isn’t a good enough excuse to not HAVE THE GUY LOOKED AT BY A DOCTOR PRIOR TO COMPETING! or at least letting the situation shake out before grabbing him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Based on his answers, it seems like you took a critical position when you ask these questions, basically, telling him “you’re not right in booking this troubled kid who has an assault record. You’re only interested in filling pockets.” That’s kind how the interview comes off.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe that’s just how you’re reading it and maybe Brent is actually concerned about the welfare of fighters.
by ufc4 on Nov 13, 2009 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a concern of mine...
what is more important…filling seats or the well being of the sport and the fighters?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Of course welfare of the fighters, but the way he answered the question, he probably felt that you came at him in critical, negative way. I kind of see why you had to resubmit the question carefully. Sometimes when doing questions by email, chat, or mail, shit could be interpreted in a different tone and it’s important to be careful of word usage.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Nov 13, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Was the fact that he had attempted suicide recently a concern in deciding to make the fight? You said that his manager requested it so you booked it “simple as that.” Is it really a situation where “simple as that” applies?
Not sure what kind of response you are trying to provoke.
He didn’t even attempt to answer the question, Brent very clearly asked if it was a concern for Junie’s health and the guy obviously doesn’t care.
Thats not obvious at all. People are making out like Junie is going into the ring with a blood vessel in his brain ready to expode at the first shot to the head. Thats not the case. I can easily see the promoters side of things saying that all he is doing is giving Junie an opportunity to fight. Its up to him. If his camp and management feel he is up to it, then the promoter is happy…..he isnt gonna make a judgement on something he knows nothing about. If his camp, management and family think Junie needs a pysch evaluation, then its up to them to do it.
Perhaps some people may feel promoters have a greater role to play, which is perhaps a tad utopian given the role promoters have played in boxing and MMA to date, but suggesting the guy doesnt care at all is overly critical in my opinion.
That's a loaded question
For the general population obviously the well being of the sport and fighters. For the promoter himself – the money and the business comes first. This is how pretty much every fight business operates. And it is how most businesses operate.
Guys, hate all you want, brent is not impressed.
You hardly lose your calm and respond to the most outrageous comments with respect. You’re the GSP of MMA bloggers.
10/24
The promoter is right....
I don’t see a problem booking Junie to fight anymore than I mind websites posting about his hyjinks.
by Dexerion on Nov 13, 2009 5:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I see no problem with the article or the line of questioning, but much of the staff response in the comments is reflecting poorly on BE. I love this site, and it really bothers me to say this.
I’m done with this thread.
I believe
That Brent, Luke, Kid Nate did just fine responding to people attacking thier cred and their website, this is their home and when people come in a shit all over something that each of them have worked very hard on, they each have every right to feel offended… They allow each person here to post, posting your opinion here on BE is not a right what so ever.. That is my cent and a half, and for me all this kindness to this promoter over Brents questions is well simply retarded, honest questions with interesting answers, thx Brent for updating this and I’m in disbelief at the way alot of people reacted to this article…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Thanks for posting that
I’d say your excerpts of his answers read better than the totality of what said. Wow, what an asshole. When you asked if he’s requested Junie undergo a medical evaluation after a suicide attempt and he comes back with “Are you serious?”, that’s a pretty big insight into his motivation to sign this fighter.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
The motivation is clear isn't it?
I don’t think he’s hiding anything. He wants to put bums in seats and sell more tickets.
That much is true. The point is that some are implying that what the promoter is doing is ‘wrong’. The response in the comments from many of the BE regulars is that there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ in what the promoter is doing. It’s just business. Questionable business (because the fight may get cancelled and the long term effect on the promotion may be more negative than positive) but a business decision was made.
I think the point people are missing is that Appleton could have grabbed any number of fighters with equal or greater skill than Junie at the regional level; he chose to ignore them in favor of a big name with huge risk.
He is now possibly going to get burned on a risky investment – oh well. Maybe instead of appealing to sympathy with statements about feeding his family he should have thought this through a little more. I mean, I am just a fan and even I know that at this point Browning is more unstable and unreliable than Nick Diaz around a QP of Trainwreck two days before a drug test.
BE had every right to ask those questions, and could have gone even farther if they wanted. Appleton responded like a man who is having trouble admitting he made a dumb call.
BOOSH
Nice work
BE is in the right, here. Their work let a scumbag promoter reveal himself as such. Textbook journalism. I’m critical of BE when I feel it’s warranted but if you can’t see BE is in the right here and the promoter is in the wrong, you really have no business critiquing media.
Was there any request on MMA Big Show’s part for Browning to get a psychological evaluation prior to competing? The reason for the question is simply that in the fight game it is dangerous to have a fighter competing at less than 100% mentally as well as the established link between athletic brain trauma and suicide attempts.
Are you serious?
What’s the danger? He might lose and commit suicide? He might go crazy in the cage? Maybe his opponent would be in slightly higher danger than a typical fight, but he’d have to already know that before agreeing to the fight if he knows anything about Junie. The promoter had to already know he was taking a risk with Junie too. As far as brain trauma, all fighters are subject to that. If they’re willing to risk it, let them fight. If they act like idiots in their personal lives, well, that’s their problem. Let the authorities deal with it.
I really suggest you look into the concussion/suicide link. What I am saying is that he may already have suffered a brain injury that increased a tendency toward suicide. This is the kind of thing that DOCTORS look into. Not having him examined to ensure his fitness to compete is irresponsible. I guess if you just want to go “eh…fighting is dangerous” then it doesn’t matter
And yes…there is a lot of danger when a guy is not mentally there in a dangerous sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This quote reminds me of someone else.
And yes…there is a lot of danger when a guy is not mentally there in a dangerous sport.
I hope this gets remembered if or when Strikeforce is going to let Herschel Walker fight.
Just BE.
If Junie harms himself, I say no big deal. That’s a personal decision, and I, for one, don’t think suicide is that big of a deal as long as children aren’t left without parents. I know I’m probably in the minority on that. If he harms others, that’s another thing. We already know he has a tendency to do that. If you could guarantee me that him fighting will make him more likely to harm others outside of the cage, I’d agree that he shouldn’t fight. He’d have plenty of people to fight in jail, so maybe he belongs there.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
suicide is a horribly hostile act
to everyone who cares about the person who does it. It leaves horrible scars and spreads ruin through other lives like a ripple in a pond.
If you think it’s “no big deal” when a fellow human being kills them self, then I don’t really know what to say, but it does make me think you won’t be missed much when you go.
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I don’t have kids, so it wouldn’t be a big deal if I did off myself. Sure, I’d be missed by friends and family, but they’d get over it, and they’d eventually die too. I have no desire to do so, however. I consider suicide a form of natural selection. If you’re not mentally fit to handle life, go ahead. We don’t need you in the gene pool. I’m not religious at all and, like George Carlin, I don’t believe in “the sanctity of life.” To each his own.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 13, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
looks like we agree on something
i’m not going to say what.
lol.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 13, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really am surprised
I expected more out of you.
In one post you talk about the sanctity of life and how it would horrible if somebody kills themself and then immediately insult a poster, implying that their suicide wouldn’t be a big deal, just because they disagree with you?
Don’t let trolls drag you down to their level, man. You are better than that. You and the website do a great job.
Would one characteristic of trolls be that they don't have a sense of humor? ;)
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 14, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Why am I a “troll”? Because I disagree with the BE staff members? I haven’t insulted or belittled anyone. Unlike others, I’ve been mature about it.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 14, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I read your comments
as yet another person with complete disregard for mental health effects.
“Where’s the danger?”
Are you serious?
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
Why aren’t you putting any heat on Junie’s manager? It sounds like he is the one who originally set up the fight and after these incidents still wants the fight to take place.
Because honestly...
I only have so much time in my day…I was considering it but clearly this is not an issue worth pursuing past this article. The community consensus appears to be “if he wants to fight and someone wants to book him, cool” I was looking at it from a sport’s image/fighter safety/legal issue. But it appears that the real concern is simply “let fighters fight” and it’s not worth it to pursue the story any further if that is the general feeling on it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I liked your asking of the questions and trying to find out the thoughts of a promoter, I also liked his responses (to the first set of questions) which apparently isn’t allowed in this comment section where you either have to hate the promoter or have to hate that you asked the questions in the first place…
people make no sense…
Here's where I part ways with you
Just because the comments on this article are leaning towards “let him fight” doesn’t mean there isn’t an issue worth being pursued.
“it’s not worth it to pursue the story any further if that is the general feeling on it.”
I’m glad Woodward & Bernstein didn’t feel that way. Or Rachel Carson.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
I get what you're saying...
but I’m not trying to make the fight not happen. I simply wanted the promoter’s information. I’m not going to chase down Junie’s manager simply to go through another battle of “who has the right…who doesn’t have the right” when that was never my goal. If I am trying to push through a story to a goal…I tend to. See my coverage of WAMMA or the Matt Miller/Deray Davis situation.
I got the promoter’s opinion. I don;’t think it is worth going further with the story.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my bigger point is...
don’t feel like you need to stop pursing a story because you feel a vocal part of your audience disagrees with you. If you legitimately feel there is nothing further to pursue, that’s a different deal. But don’t feel that way just because the topic may be unpopular, but because there is no new information or insight to be had. And I’d agree, there’s a case to be made there is nothing further to add to this story.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
What about if no matter what you right, your audience will take it and turn it into the argument they want to make.
"Hello, Japan"
by rembrandt on Nov 13, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude...
every post is UFC vs. the world. or Dana vs. the media. or some other argument.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, it's usually about how Brock Lesnar is the BEST EVA!!!!!
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
by duck on Nov 13, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh..yes...
or Brock v. Fedor
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think early stoppage...
even if it goes to a decision
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Very, very true.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
i wonder what the clerical error was, one time the court gave me a date that was on a national holiday, I showed up that monday and the entire building was locked and courthouse closed down, i get a call a few days later saying my “new” courtdate, I showed up and they said I skipped the first one, have had a warrent out and I got arrested as soon as I walked in the courthouse (all for a no seatbelt ticket and THEIR error in scheduling my first courtdate)…
People are really freaking out over this…wow.
Brent did some investigative reporting, and asked questions that would get answers, not only for himself, but for everyone paying attention to the situation. People are acting like people are trying to go on a witch hunt over all this…
It was just an “odd” interview, and it’s a peculiar situation. Breathe people, the sky is not falling.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
lol I figured calling the interview odd was the best way to say “wow the promoter is a goober” but I’m not trying to get a ton of people over her flipping out over such trivial stuff.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
BE is a great site and I am happy that you guys reported on Junie however Mr. Appleton has a point here. Of course he is going to sign Junie to fight, he has a name that will put people in the seats. I am really surprised that BE is pushing this issue with them. Small time show tries to make money, what else was to be expected? If he had legal issues, fine, he needs to sort that shit out. It’s not the responsibility of the event organizers. As long as he is physically healthy then let him fight, he does have skills. Is he mentally bonkers? No question about ii but he’s not locked up for it………………………….yet.
It's attitudes like that which bring us..
…Herschel Walker, Kimbo, Ken Shamrock vs Haystacks Calhoun, and Tim Sylvia vs a trained monkey.
Mind you, at least the Indiana promoters aren’t putting Scott Lionheart Blevins on fight cards anymore.. it only took pedophilia charges for that to happen.
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Just my opinion.
I don’t think there are enough interviews being done inside the MMA community where people get asked tough questions. So for me this was a great interview where someone had to actually confront some good hard questions. I hope for more of this.
Just BE.
by mattman73 on Nov 13, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
2cents
Discourse is good,
people have different opinions.
telling people to leave because you don’t agree with them is childish.
you get that a lot here, although the BE gang has come a long way from a year and a half ago
Give peace a chance!

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By the way....
that girlfriend of yours is STILL smokin’ hot. Just sayin’. Now, let’s see if anyone disagrees with that.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
the funny thing is that today she disagreed with me about that. why do women think they’re not attractive?
direct quote: “I get so fat whenever volleyball season ends…”
/takes shot of vodka
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 13, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
completely disagree
until pictures are posted. preferably nsfw ones.
settle down, settle down ;P
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 14, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
piece = 9mm gatt?
i think i heard that in a rap song once
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 13, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
This promoter has $30K invested in this event and Junie is the main event. And you’re asking him to drop the main event. B.E is not going to drop a penny in the bucket for any loss, Who’s B.E to basically say “cancel the main event”?
I know the question is “why book him in the first place when he’s mentally not in the right place?” Well, Junie needs the “focus and the money.” He needs to “work” to support himself. The promoter booked him and made the fight happen.
No less, no more. Fact: Junie needs money. He’s a pro fighter.
B.E doesn’t give a mother-eff whether Junie gets paid or not. It’s up to Junie to take or not take the fight and he has.
He’s right, “B.E’s simply sniping from the saftey of the hills with nothing to lose.”
You showed up to the party, but we all left for the bar.
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by judonerd on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please read my posts below… It’s not always about money…
by itsallgood013 on Nov 14, 2009 3:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Who’s B.E to basically say "cancel the main event"?"
BE didn’t, and you can’t point to a single sentence in the article where Brent did.
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
And if Junie loses?
And then goes out back and shoots himself?
Well, at least a promoter in Buttcheeks, Indiana will have a new pickup.
Dudes should be more careful who they invest their $30k in, or suffer the consequences when it goes balls-up.
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I was going to weigh in on this...
… but then I scrolled through the comments… Fuck that. Not worth it.
by EnsignFrog on Nov 14, 2009 2:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
My 2 pennies...
I can only say this about Mr. Appleton. I don’t know if he “knew” about Junie’s alleged suicide attempt before he signed him. But, if it was a family member of yours and you heard that they were going to be fighting after the attempted suicide, where would you want them, fighting, or in the hospital, or rehab or something? I would say rehab. Fuck the controversy, this poor kid needs help.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 14, 2009 3:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Another thing.
If this fight happens, and, god forbid, something happens to Junie after, this d bag promoter should be tried for murder.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 14, 2009 3:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol
this just makes me laugh because of the stupidity of it. Fighting brings something into Junie, it keeps him focused, it keeps him away from booze and drugs for that period of time (he said so on our radio show last week) and Jason Appleton is a very smart business man and a very good promoter. So before you take things out of context you should do your work. Son.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Nov 14, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of attacks on Jason and Junie, in which I find both a shame. We over at MMA Gospel interview Junie on our Radio show last week, and he had a lot of things to say about all of this (minus the warrant) and Jason Appleton. There is too much steam on Jason for booking Junie because of this signing. The thing I don’t get is, there are promoters out there doing a hell of a lot worse bookings (such as DMX, Kyle Maynard or just a Tim Sylvia match) in real low rank organizations. MMA Big Show is a very well ran organization who looks out for their fighters and puts on fights that people want to see, and right now Junie Browning has a big name and people want to watch him fight and most want to watch him lose. I applaud Jason for signing Junie to fight, because he is giving somebody an opporunity to make a living. Junie needs to contiously fight or he might fall back into the problems he had just a month ago.
First of all some facts: Junie had a bout of depression which led to the taking of pills. The depression was the direct result of missing a couple of doses of Zoloft which he is prescribed.
The warrant everyone seems hung up on is based on a court date to appear. He missed the date and it was due to some miss communication and will be cleared up and end up being a non issue per his attorney.
Jason is a promoter that has done very good things for the local mma scene here. Not only is he a promoter but a manager as well. He manages Roger Bowling who just signed with Strikeforce and will be on MMA Gospel Radio today.
Now, does Junie have issues? Sure he does, thus him being prescribed Zoloft. Is Jason an unscrupulous promoter? No he is not.
Rampage was running crap over with his truck and yet the UFC had no issue allowing him to fight and not to allow him to coach TUF. Where is the outrage there? Where is the interview with Dana and Joe Silva accusing them of improprieties?
How about Arlovski playing Russian roulette? seems like a suicide risk to me. Where are the questions for Scott Coker??
So we try to attack the smaller promotions who are the backbone of mma for up and coming fighters and we let the bigger guys slide? Is this just so that one does not get black listed and can keep press credentials?
Small mixed martial arts events need all the help they can get as your average fan does not attend them. Jason was offered Junie, an ex UFC fighter, and he jumped at the chance.
Maybe instead of trying to villainize him we should applaud him for putting on a great event for the tri state area and bringing more recognition to mixed martial arts.
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no one tried to villainize Appleton
his actions speak for themselves.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And so did his answers
"I would approve signing a pitcher that ate kitten tacos if he won 20 games a year." -BPinOK
This promoter is a sleazo.
Most are. He basically admits that he’s keeping the fight on because he’d lose money if he did the right thing.
Suicide attempter gets paid chickenscratch to fight a guy for a crowd while a warrant is out for his arrest, and the fight goes on?
That’s the textbook definition of a scumbag. And it’s why regulation in Indiana can’t come fast enough.
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