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Striking Analysis: Countering Randy Couture's Right Uppercut

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Doing pre-event "film study" of Randy Couture's recent fights I started to notice an ugly trend.  Randy has started to throw punches bent over at the waist, especially his right uppercut.  Both Brock Lesnar and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira were able to exploit this punch with straight right hands.

In addition to being bent at the waist during both of these fights Randy was looking to throw the punch from what I feel is a bit too far outside.  This allows more room and time for the right counter.

Let's take a look at the exchanges.

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In the Lesnar fight it's not so much a Randy initiated moment as it is an attempted counter.  Lesnar paws with the left, Randy bends down to avoid and a straight right is coming behind that clips Couture just as he starts to throw the uppercut.  While it's easy to not fault Randy because the bend starts off as an evasive maneuver he has to know that he is too far back to start to wind up a right uppercut.  Watch the moment in question:

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In addition to the spacing, if he is going to duck Randy has to cover up with the left hand.  I know someone will point out that this is MMA and not boxing but taking a shot to the temple or jaw is a good way to get your lights shut out and dropping the left hand leaves the most vulnerable areas wide open.  Now, watch starting at 1:22 of this video:

In the video the boxer in white ducks the jab, keeps his left hand up and because he is in tight he lets the uppercut go.  When Randy starts to throw his uppercut against Lesnar he is throwing it from a distance where Brock is able to get full extension on a right hand.  We always talk about position before submission, but the same applies in striking.  Regardless of if it is boxing, kickboxing or MMA there are certain strikes that you can not throw from certain positions.

Moving on to the Nogueira fight.  It was more than once that Randy looked to throw the right uppercut and left himself open to right hand counters.  In this fight the bend wasn't as pronounced and the spacing was better but he was still bending more with his waist than legs and leaving his left hand down.  Here's the action, watch the left hand:

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Does the single hole in his striking this post focuses on mean that I don't think Randy can beat Brandon Vera on Saturday?  No, not at all.  What it does mean is that I think it would be a clear mistake for him to attempt to strike with Brandon.  Lesnar and Nogueira both lack the dynamic striking abilities of Vera.  One has to assume that Brandon's camp has dissected film on Randy and knows to wait on that punch the way Nogueira did.

Couture's ability to win this fight hinges on his wrestling and trying to break Vera's will.  We've seen Vera get frustrated and fold when he gets bullied before, and that is where Randy can win.  One thing seems clear to me though, in a striking battle Randy stands very little chance.

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Good writeup

Nog gif doesn’t work for me though… maybe it is just me?

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by Well Read Idiot on Nov 13, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Works when I click to open just the gif, but not working as embedded.

by Graven Image on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
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by Damon O. on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Shame to see this from Randy, but it’s becoming a damn habit! His first encounter with Chuck gave him the belief that he could stand with strikers, despite having used his bread and butter to glorious effect.

Close range as we see from the above GIF, Randy would’ve never compromised his wrestling were it not for his elevated belief in his striking and Zuffa’s perceived encouragement of stand-up fighting to entertain the crowds.

I hope to the MMA Gods that his two-defeats-in-a-row education has taught him he needs to revert back to his “Natural” ability come 105 and employ that sick Greco caliber he has and follow up with the GNP that made his name and taught us admirers that fighting wasn’t all about Ali-crisp striking.

I have quite a few bucks on him “remembering.”

by BlueFlamer on Nov 13, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure why the Nog gif isn’t running but if you click it it will run in another window

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

That's Assuming

Vera actually lets his hands go. He’s very hesitant lately.

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by dedstrk316 on Nov 13, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

This is true

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 13, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome analysis as always though Brent. The mind is arguably Randy’s greatest asset and Vera’s weakest. It should be a good fight.

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 13, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice workup on this. Thanks! I wonder whether Brandon has enough power in his hands to take the same advantage of this as Brock or Nog. He’s obviously quicker, but I think Randy may just wade right through into the clinch with Vera, if he can get inside much to begin with. Sometimes I get the feeling Vera has too many tools, in the sense that he often hesitates between several options available to him. I can imagine Randy’s lean inducing a grab for the Thai plum by Vera as much as the right straight, though he’d be wise to keep his feet on the canvas as much as possible to avoid going for a ride. Can’t wait to see what happens, though.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 13, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i can always see the ground game intricacies, but im totally lacking in striking education. love this stuff.

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by judonerd on Nov 13, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m the exact opposite. This is why BE is the best site out there. And the fact that Brent’s drilling the promoter about Junie when nobody else is.

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 13, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up

One thing that you have to take into consideration though, Randy is primarily a wrestler. Therefor his posture is such that allows him to react to a shoot (sprawl) or change levels and adjust (shoot).

I think he tries to throw the punch from far too outside myself, like you showed. But I also think he does this flawed tactic, the same way Liddell does. He is predisposed to a certain style (wrestling) and that limit’s his ability to make proper functional movements regarding boxing. Boxers are taught to stay tight and use the upper cut as a timed counter strike. Essentially, to allow the opponent a moment to open up and time the distance and speed of the oncoming strike, while ducking under and following through with the uppercut, because the uppercut applies the force of your punch combined with the force of your opponents weight coming forward. Give’s it much more oommph.. in a sense..

I just think it’s a problem that he can’t fundamentally correct. He’s to used to fighting for position and having to be defensive in regards to TD’s. Plus he relies on it too much in the clinch that he telegraphs it from outside range..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

I think I spotted him

doing this during last night’s replay of the Tim Silvia fight as well. I think it’s Randy’s way of finding a way in against taller fighters, along with his lateral head movement. Apparently, he’s expecting the jab to go over his head and leaving him the opening to counter inside.

by rzor on Nov 13, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Another thing I noticed

Randy (like most MMA guys) throw punches with their front foot planted.. They should be on the toes of their lead leg and rotate the hips into their punch. It provides more force and allows better reaction timing to counters..

If your lead leg is flat or planted, then it takes longer to adjust to an oncoming counter and also leaves you off balance or committed to your strike. If they were on their toes more, it provides a more fluent and functional strike and gives you the ability to change distance or angle at an accelerated rate. Also helps keep the balance or core stable.

If you notice or look closely, Nog’s lead leg is always on his toes in the gif when throwing a strike.. That’s proper striking..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

I have to add to your comment that is the foot is planted, the strike is more pushing. It’s convenient if you want to force your opponent to move (towards the leg strike, fence, to create more distance or something to this nature).

by mikser on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Being flat footed limits power

Sure you can dig in and make a whopping punch. But it limits the true sense of power. Power is generated from the body’s core. It transfers with the range of motion up to the limbs and extension.

You generate more acceleration on your toes than flat on your feet. Acceleration is what produces power. 3-6 inches past your target is what your aiming at.. When you punch, you dont “push” you “snap”.. There is a big difference..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn good analysis

The power comes from the explosive movement of the hips. Planting your feet allows you to throw with more ‘dead weight’ but less explosiveness.

by rainmaker6 on Nov 13, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree. I wasn’t arguing with you, I simply added a little bit of information (explaining, why being flat footed is sometimes exactly what one needs).

Excellent explaining of dynamics, btw!

by mikser on Nov 13, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

;-)

I was adding additional insight..

Not being argumentative..

:)

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it easier to get taken down flat footed or on your toes?

I think that plays a huge factor when a guy’s primary tool is wrestilng. Nog strikes me as the sort of BJJ guy that can afford to be taken down because he works well from his back. Wrestlers are notorious for not being able to do much from that position, so maybe in Randy’s (or most MMA guys that aren’t the best strikers) keep that foot planted so they can sprawl better. My subject line is a question, however, so I admittedly don’t know if that’s the case so many don’t stay on their toes.

by black dragon on Nov 13, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Easier

Flat footed.. On your toes provides polymeric functionality..

Runners are fast because they run on their toes.. Fighters are fast and strike hard because they are on their toes, basketball players are quick because they are on their toes..

Remember the movie Rocky 3 ?? Apollo Creed had to take Rocky to the gym and teach him to stay on his toes ??

Flat footed means you’re planted. You’re vested in that space. If the force of motion is greater than your resistance, you go down.. simple as that.. Being on your toes provides the ability to shift balance and weight.

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Supposed to read

“On your toes provides plyometric functionality”

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I knew about boxers/strikers and I do remember Rocky 3 as well as Paulie’s off-color remarks during the whole training portion of the movie. It does make sense now that you explained it. After thinking about it, yeah, I think one time I got taken down was the when I got gassed and was flat footed.

by black dragon on Nov 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy stays on his toes for the majority

Just so happens he lacks that fundamental instinct on some of his striking. His punches are more arm punches than power punches.. thus the reason he hasn’t been known to KO guys.. He is strong.. But strength and power are 2 different things.

In Randy’s striking, he often times plants and tries to bob and weave while throwing punches.. This leaves him vulnerable to counter strikers. Counter strikers are strikers that stay on their toes and use speed, distance and timing to generate power and follow through the openings presented.

He is good about it when he is wrestling on his feet (clinch, sprwal, shoot, etc..) But he just lacks fundamental instincts that Strikers have to always stay on their toes while striking. The one time Randy threw a solid punch on his toes was the Sylvia fight and you see the result.. The majority of his fights he tries to hunker down and barrel in with his strikes.. It limits his range of mobility and power..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Randy's chin isn't that great

I agree with everything written in this article and I want to add that Randy’s chin isn’t the best. Some of the Nogueira punches that completely dropped him looked pretty weak – you have to remember that even though Nogueira is a very good boxer he’s not a hard puncher , not even close. Randy is more predisposed to get KTFO’ed the older he gets . I also thought that one of the his losses to Chuck was by what appeared to be pretty weak punches. The Lesnar punch looked weak but I can accept it hit him in a strategic place. All and all tho u have to ask yourself if Randy can take a punch . Watch the Rogers vs Fedor fight , these guys were throwing BOMBS at each other and still kept coming, I just don’t think Randy can do that. That’s why he needs to turn this to a wrestling match and minimize the stand up as much as he can.

by JoelMan on Nov 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Randy Said He Will Primarily Use Wrestling

The question is will he be able to close the distance and take Vera down.

Does anybody remember the videos Anderson Silva mimicing Randy Couture’s movements for Rodrigo Nogueira? I think he was doing a really great job. Guys like Joe Rogan and Goldberg love to talk about what a great strategic planner Randy is but I thought he made two HUGE mistakes in his last two fights.
1. He admitted to neglecting Brock Lesnar’s 8" reach advantage.
2. He totally underestimated Nogueira’s boxing.

I think both fighters know exactly what’s coming. There will be no surprises. Well at least there should not be any surprises. GREAT WRITE UP!

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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 13, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Randy needs to have enough speed to slip either a kick or punch from Vera and close the distance that way. Randy closes the distance from his stand up. The key for Randy is not getting “caught” coming in, ala the Liddell fights for example.

Vera has underrated wrestling IMO. Vera’s only fault as of late is that he has been tentative to really let his strikes go these last couple fights. I suspect some of the same in this fight, because he respects Randy’s ability to close the distance and put him on his back.

Vera’s best chance in this fight is to focus on Randy’s timing and try to catch Randy on the chin coming in with a knee or punch. Also to not stay in front of Randy. Vera needs to take notes from the last 2 Liddell fights. Notice how Liddell didn’t stand in front of Randy and let Randy push him around. He made Randy chase him and circled out cutting angles to catch Randy..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Nov 13, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yup. Can Randy surprise Vera with some speed?
I definitely think Couture might be surprised by his inability to keep Vera on the floor just like he was surprised by Noguiera’s boxing skills.

BTW, your signature is brutal but true. Jardine actually thought he was a real top contender after his loss to Jackson.

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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 13, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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