Sengoku's New Year's Eve Plans Scrapped, Possible Co-Promotion with FEG in the Works
by Chris Nelson on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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[UPDATE] FEG held a press conference this afternoon to announce Masato's opponent (Andy Souwer) and the official addition of Minowa vs. Sokoudjou, but CEO Tanigawa repeatedly skirted questions about the FEG-WVR merger for New Year's Eve.
Late Tuesday night, multiple sources informed BloodyElbow.com that World Victory Road has decided to cancel its New Year's Eve "Sengoku Raiden Championship" show at Tokyo's Ariake Coliseum.
The news comes after rumors of the card being in serious peril began to mount this week, when WVR called off a press conference related to the event and had not yet released details for its television broadcast. The show's headliner - the only bout to be made official by the promotion - would have seen Olympic gold medalist Satoshi Ishii in his MMA debut against fellow judoka Hidehiko Yoshida.
As Sherdog's Jordan Breen discussed on his show yesterday and Sports Illustrated's Josh Gross now reports, WVR may now be looking to team with rival Japanese promoter Fighting and Entertainment Group for FEG's "Dynamite!!" show:
Also, just got wind that Dream and Sengoku will likely join forces for one NYE card. So, no competing MMA cards Dec. 31 in Japan.
The only bouts officially announced for this year's iteration of the annual K-1/MMA marathon are the 2009 K-1 Koshien (Under 18) tournament finals and kickboxer Masato's retirement bout against an as-yet-unnamed opponent Andy Souwer. It's expected that the final match in DREAM's "Super Hulk Tournament" - Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Sokoudjou - and a lightweight title bout will also find their way onto the slate.
With a five-hour slot on the Tokyo Broadcast System already in place and solid ratings needed, the extra juice that a match like Ishii-Yoshida could bring to the table may be too tempting for FEG to resist.
Stay tuned as we await official word from both promotions in the coming days.
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Is it possible that they do it, but not for just one show, but like... Forever??
Haha. Wouldn’t it be great that they have 1 super promotion in place in Japan again?
People have been debating which promotion will save Japanese MMA, but what if they’d team up and both do it? :)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it be great that they have 1 super promotion in place in Japan again?
You don’t like competition?
by Jahbulon on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WVR and DREAM have plenty of competition in the UFC, and the fanbase isn’t large enough in Japan to foster competition between 2 orgs. They need one, because right now it’s the sport that needs rebuilding in Japan more than a particular organization.
by gzl5000 on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this.
they’re “competition” is different, compared to lets say UFC and Strikeforce..
WVR and DREAM are like crabs pulling each other down the barrel instead of helping each other get out.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 12, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of a merger between the two, but I don’t think they have any competition in the UFC, its different market.
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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What made PRIDE huge was the competitions FEG and K-1 was giving them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and now, they have two promotions barely surviving, but still kicking each other while both are down.
that’s not good for the sport you know.. it’s different from wanting the UFC, (who’s already successful) to not have competition.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 12, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pride was owned by FEG
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, PRIDE was owned by DSE. (And KRS before that.)
by JRN on Nov 12, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
after Pride folded the people from DSE made FEG
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 12, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
FEG ran K1 and Heroes. DSE ran Pride.
People from DSE work with FEG to make Dream.
by Phildo on Nov 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, my only point is that it’s basically the same people.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t FEG a subsidiary of Sony (that’s where K-1 gets all the scratch from)? I think they’ve been around for just as long as DSE has been, given the NYE competitions over the years.
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phildo or JRN might know that, my memory is my worst enemy some times :P
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by orcus on Nov 12, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word on the street
is that Sengoku is dead. There are plenty of reports about the TV deal not working out for Sengoku, so I’m pretty positive this rumor is simply a firesale by WVR to get some money for the contracts they hold to break even.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Sengoku is dead just yet but the truth is that they have some serious trouble in finding ways to get profit (they can’t sell out even 1/2 in most of the arenas they book, they don’t have a TV deal for airing their events and they are paying TV Tokyo for the slot for SRC Damashii!!) and Don Quijote and other sponsors even though they have money won’t burn them on a company which has nothing to do with the business they are primarily running in the first place (and Sengoku lost 1.5 bilion Yen in two years of their existence).
by jinsoku on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying… that’s what I’ve heard. I’ve heard a couple of different theories, which makes me think that it isn’t decided among actual WVR people, but I’ve heard nothing but bad things about how WVR is folding.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. Their situation isn’t looking good no matter how you look at it and some of the problems I’ve already listed myself. Though I would think there is a better way to get out of this situation for both sides. They should merge (though it won’t be easy what people in both managements should have the most important roles in a new one) and unite all of their sponsors (this way even if some of them aren’t eager to give that much money for mma as they used to the new org would have good financial baking for obvious reasons). With the new roster they would probably be forced to hold more events per year but it shouldn’t be that big of a problem if they go low on production and book many up and coming guys (as many Sengoku events were booked) to utilize as much talent as they are able to. TV deal for more shows would probably be hard to get but who knows if TBS wouldn’t put them on some night time slots with small funding (and it’s not like Sengoku wasn’t used to hold events without any help from a TV station) and you always have ppv (as bad as it is in Japan would generate a small income nevertheless). As for the big shows, with the production value of RE, advertising from FEG and TBS and combined roster they for sure would be able to get better ratings and so it would be a win-win situation for company, sponsors and TBS. Wishfull thinking I guess but if the heads would be eager to co-operate and sort things out something like this could come to live.
by jinsoku on Nov 12, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Merging won’t do much because DREAM will drop most of the fighters that Sengoku has. They just don’t have the same philosophy. DREAM is working off the old PRIDE model, and it’s working despite having some pretty terrible fights for hardcore fans. Ishii vs. Yoshida is definitely the fight DREAM wants though.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously..
Sengoku couldn’t get the proper funding and television coverage for two national hero judokas on New Year’s Eve. Super Hulk outdraws everything that isn’t Masato for FEG.
DREAM, which has the more popular product has had trouble with a national network, TBS, giving them a fair timeslot. New Year’s Eve in Japan is a huge television event, the fact Sengoku got brushed off for this is bad. Ishii/Yoshida would be a great fight to help bolster ratings for the FEG card which will already be stacked.
Roster? Do you really think FEG wants a guy like Omigawa who has a great attitude and works his ass off to prove himself? In Sengoku he was a star, he was main eventing for them because he is exactly what MMA should be about; the scrappy underdog who makes heroic comebacks and criticizes himself. FEG would just have Joachim Hansen roll over him or make him fight Choi. Anybody not a champion or top contender FEG won’t care about, as if they need to fill out a card they’ll just dip into the DEEP roster for pennies on a dollar.
It is unreal to me that we have a major promotion pimping the shit out of DEEP and using their talent as “elite.” A few years ago if you were watching DEEP or knew who any DEEP fighters were you were considered the most hardcore of the hardcore MMA fans. Now? Well, you must watch DREAM!
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by D.W. on Nov 12, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Story is coming...
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of reports about Dream folding as well going back to last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if this Dynamite is the last big MMA show in Japan for awhile.
by omigawda on Nov 12, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minowa vs. Sokoudjou for the Super Hulk championship.
Thats embarrassing.
by Michaelthebox on Nov 11, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How so? With Mousasi out, those are the two best fighters in the tournament. And both are sufficiently super-hulky IMO.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very much looking forward to that fight.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This must have made his face red.
I still look forward to Minowaman even if he is fighting a 80 year old woman because I know he will bust out the heel hooks and show that bitch no mercy.
by DirtyML on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
That’s my grandma you’re talking about.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 12, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow this would be amazing if the execs from both organizations came to terms about merging permanently. Imagine the dream fights that could be put together with fighters from WVR, Dream, and Strikeforce. So many intriguing match ups come to mind its not even funny. Someone needs to really push for this to happen and encourage other promotions to do. Bellator, MFC, & Shooto would also be great organizations to push for co-promotion.
by buttters on Nov 11, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see...
Bibiano Fernandes vs. Masanori Kanehara
Shinya Aoki vs. Mizuto Hirota
by CSKit on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Same here. But I also really want to see Aoki vs. Kawajiri. What a dilemma.
by nottheface on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly than all that
Where the fuck can I get a Crusher shirt? I’ve looked everywhere!
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by Blackout612 on Nov 12, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At his Official Site, “The Crusher Project”.
by CSKit on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately the new one is Sold out. Also if you need an importer check out j-goods…
by CSKit on Nov 12, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’ve been checking Sherdog periodically because I was told they’d be getting them.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minowaman vs Sokoudjou is already official Chris.
by jinsoku on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I saw that on the DREAM site this morning and totally forgot to add it.
by Chris Nelson on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Head Kick Legend is saying that Sengoku is completely dead
That this is not just a merger on NYE but there will be a flat out merger between the 2 orgs
by Discman2 on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that's conjecture on their part.
Even the sources who gave me the tip on the cancellation don’t know what’s up with the future of SRC right now.
by Chris Nelson on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was hoping. Signs do point to trouble for SRC/WVR but flat out failure? Part of me hopes that a merger will happen and an MMA resurgence comes because of it. But then part of me wants to see Sengoku go on as their own org.
by Discman2 on Nov 12, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wait for proof...
Them just speculating on what is going on doesn’t carry much weight. Wait for N.O.B. to announce something instead of someone’s opinion, that’s where they get their news from anyway.
by CSKit on Nov 12, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a shame if Sengoku just got folded into DREAM, but not at all surprising. As much as I love the DREAM aesthetic, I think I would have preferred it the other way around.
by JRN on Nov 12, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You assume a lot. Omigawa is “scrappy underdog who makes heroic comebacks” ? More like the recipient of the worst decisions in Japanese MMA of late. You are familiar with weight classes? Omigawa isn’t a LW since getting the boot from the UFC, while Hansen is.
Have you watched a DREAM event? Assuming that they don’t care about non-champions or top competitors is ridiculous. If you’re going to complain about DREAM taking from DEEP, how about SRC farming Pancrase and Shooto?
by CSKit on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hav struck again...
This is not meant for your post JRN.
by CSKit on Nov 12, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the thing...
Sengoku has always had a ton of funding, but lost a ton of money in the beginning. It was OKAY since DonQ was backing them up. In 2008-2009, the recession took a HUGE toll on DonQ, so now they may not be as willing to keep backing up Sengoku and losing money if they don’t see any returns on their investment any time soon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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