UFC's Dana White Makes the Case Against Strikeforce on CBS
by Kid Nate on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM EST
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Dave Meltzer gets the Dana's reaction and points out how well UFC on Spike has done relative to Strikeforce on CBS:
"CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about," said Dana White. "Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn't make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor."
"We're pulling those numbers on Spike," White said. "I mean, how the [expletive] is what they did considered any good in any way, shape or form? What kind of numbers do you think we would pull with a live show on CBS? I'll tell you. Huge. It would be significantly, significantly more than what they got with these idiots from Showtime."
"You'd think everyone [in the industry] would be happy because it's great for the industry for everyone to be doing well," responded Coker.
Of the eight episodes of the current season of the UFC's "Ultimate Fighter" reality show on Spike, two had higher ratings than this show. Aside from that, UFC has topped a 2.5 rating for a live event twice, for a 2006 Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight and a 2007 Quinton Jackson vs. Dan Henderson fight. UFC 105, which airs this coming Saturday night, headlined by Randy Couture vs. Brandon Vera, the first time Couture will have ever fought live on Spike TV, could do a rating in the same range as Strikeforce show.
But the TV ratings news isn't all good for Dana and the UFC:
UFC's attempt at counterprogramming the opposition didn't prove as successful as in the past. UFC has always put on replays of past major pay-per-view events against the prior CBS shows, usually doing a 1.2 rating, considered very strong for Spike TV for using old footage. But they were down 25 percent from usual, doing a 0.9 rating and 1.2 million viewers with a custom-made show featuring the television debuts of four recent never-before-seen pay-per-view main event matches.
It's widely rumored that UFC 75 was aired free on Spike as a demonstration for the networks -- particularly CBS -- of what UFC could do on free television. Having seen the Strikeforce broadcast, Dana White has to be happy he didn't sign with CBS since one of their demands was supposedly taking over production and commentary. It was bad enough for me to hear Gus Johnson talking about Jake Shields "holding his breath" to avoid being submitted by a rear naked choke, can you imagine Dana White's reaction to hearing that kind of commentary on a UFC telecast?
On the other hand, it's very hard for me to imagine a scenario where any major network, even Fox, let's the UFC bring its own production and commentary team along for the network broadcast. It's one thing for the UFC to hire its own announcers on Spike TV or on PPV, but any organization with its own sports news operation is going to be very resistant to airing sports programming that is announced by the promotion's own commenters. Rogan and Goldberg may be better than any team a network could assemble right now, but it's just not big time to let the fight promoter control the coverage. It's not big time, it's WWE.
Dana White's desire to control the presentation of his product is probably the right instinct and might well be what's best for the long term health of the sport, but it's also what's keeping UFC off the networks and allowing otherwise second-tier promotions to grab the opportunity.
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I don’t think we can really give credit to Strikeforce for “letting” CBS pick their own announcers. Yes, Gus Johnson is a CBS sports guy, but Shamrock and Renallo are only hired by CBS and Showtime to do these cards, so it’s pretty much the same thing. I don’t Fox or whoever paying Rogan and Goldberg would make any difference.
The other thing is money. If the money was right, Zuffa might be able to give up control, but using the Elite numbers (the only numbers we have) it just doesn’t make sense for Zuffa to pay someone else to do a worse job than they can do on their own, especially if they are getting less money from the event.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving Strikeforce credit for that
it was something that was imposed on them by CBS — the partner who holds all the cards in this deal. It also makes for worse commentary although Johnson is improving some. Eventually there will be network sportscasters who know MMA but that will take time.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the success of UFC really tied to Goldie & Rogan?
This is such a small issue I’m surprised it gets so much written about it. It’s what’s going on inside the cage, not the talk outside that makes a successful broadcast.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is the one insisting on controlling the annoucing, not me
But I would argue that with a new sport like MMA its crucial that the commentators be well informed. Wrong information can be very hard to stamp out once its disseminated on the broadcast and could be very damaging. The early UFCs featured endless stupid remarks from the announcing team, many of which came back to haunt them when the sport was driven off of PPV.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like see any evidence of that hypothesis. Pretty simple to understand punching and kicking. When two guys are fighting on the ground all that needs to be said to keep an uniformed viewer is “Fighter A is setting up Fighter B for fill in the blank submission” to provide some context.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would argue that there’s some negative in being more informed?
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch a football broadcast
The medium doesn’t allow for detailed technical commentary. Even if you try, the risk is greater for confusing the audience instead of informing.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Knowing more is more conducive to knowing what is accessible, not a lack of knowledge and, thus, not knowing better. That’s an unusual way to look at things. Casuals seem to enjoy Rogan’s commentary more than that of the CBS team..
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's right, UFC on CBS would pull way better numbers
If UFC is pulling similar numbers on Spike, which isn’t in every home in america, imagine what it would do on a major network.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's reallly not the point though...
of course the UFC would pull bigger numbers right now. That isn’t really up for debate.
The thing is…Strikeforce is able to build it’s brand by getting exposure on CBS. Over a few shows they could make themselves more legitimate and start pulling bigger numbers. Dana is trying to frame this as a “right here, right now” argument when it isn’t that for Strikeforce at all.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 11, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I disagree
It is definitely “right here, right now” for SF, at least as far as the CBS thing goes. They have to pull a strong number every show if they want to have another one on network tv.
by ufc4 on Nov 11, 2009 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They definitely need to be showing good numbers, just not the same or better than the UFC would be showing in the same scenario. CBS wouldn’t even be making that comparison. Dana’s argument is that we would kick their ass if we were in their place… well I hope so, they have a ton more brand recognition.
by bleve_ on Nov 11, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I was saying...
Obviously SF is not going to pull the same numbers as the UFC. If we’re setting that as the bar then no promotion should bother trying. BUT if they are pulling a strong enough number…and are able to build up their brand and their fighters…then they get what they want out of it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 11, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Build up their brand and their fighters like ElitXC did??? Oh wait.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 11, 2009 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes...
EliteXC and Strikeforce are exactly the same….
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They’re creating some unfortunate commonalities, so it’s not entirely absurd to define some parallels.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is absolutely absurd to infer that XC and Strikeforce will end up the same because they’re on CBS. Watching XC was worse than watching Michael Jackson documentaries. The train wreck was so inevitable. SF not the case, but Fedor however…
by Dooda on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's absurd to suggest I made that inference
They’ve done some things similarly. That’s undeniable. Never said they’ll meet the same fate.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure strikefrorce shouldnt be pulling UFC numbers but CBS certainly should.
We’re talking about a network that produces 6.2 million viewers with just reruns.
This is their 4th MMA show. Zuffa was able to do 6 million plus with a taped Kimbo show on spike.
CSI reruns produce more than 3 times the viewers on CBS than they do on spike in the exact same time slot just to give you an idea about the difference between platforms.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous comparisons to shows that have been on air and have huge fan bases or one guy with “street cred” who gets ratings no matter what promotion or network he is tied with.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what promotion or network?
He was featured on iron king on BET… didnt do shit.
He fought Ray mercer for another promotion which didn’t sell shit.
The fact that Zuffa produced 6 million viewers with him on a taped show on spike when CBS couldnt produce much more than that with him on a LIVE SHOW is embarrassing.
The fact that CBS cant match UFC 75 numbers from 2 years ago is embarrassing.
Spike cant even get a 1/4th of the ratings CBS gets for CSI reruns in the same time slot.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you include more talk about target demographics when you provide us with your impeccable marketing analysis? Or you don’t think who is watching is as important as how many people are watching?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what target do you want?
They did fine in the key’s but when you have a pool that large to pull from you should definitely be generating UFC’s overall numbers on spike… in fact you should be doing at least twice as well.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of ratings would TUF be pulling if Kimbo weren’t on the show? Probably not very high, since the entire season has been garbage…AGAIN.
The UFC has the two of the three biggest draws in the sport w/Kimbo and Brock so yea, they could do far better numbers on network TV. It is easy for Dana to talk shit now but when KImbo was pulling in the ratings on CBS, all Dana could do is say he wasn’t a real fighter.
The promoter-speak has been fairly transparent for some time now. That 5.4 rating for the main event Saturday night must have really chapped Dana’s ass. And they didn’t need Gina or Kimbo to do it!
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by MyFistYourFace on Nov 11, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Two of the three biggest draws?
I would say they have all three, but who do you have as a draw that the UFC doesn’t currently have?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was counting Gina.
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by MyFistYourFace on Nov 11, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
think Gina can sell a PPV , I think she is a draw bit not the kind to main event a successful PPV.
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We aren’t talking about PPVs. We are talking about network viewership.
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by MyFistYourFace on Nov 11, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck, Tito, Randy
All before Gina.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see where Tito stands after the 106 numbers. Same with Randy on 105. I’m interested if they have lost their luster or still draw. I think it’s very possible that GSP has surpassed at least Tito as a draw.
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
that GSP may be able to outdraw Gina. We’d have to see him on Spike to get an idea for the numbers he pulls.
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
Those are the ones I feel confident about; that if they were on network, they’d outdraw what Gina has done. She is a great draw, though, not taking anything away from her..
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor am I
Gina is a star and has done very well for herself, both in marketing and competition. GSP has done the same and also has the UFC machine behind him. I’m curious as to which candle burns brighter while emphasizing that neither flame dims the other.*
*Unless Dana makes it so with counter programming.
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5.4 wasn’t the rating, it was the number of viewers, and it wasn’t that great. It was an ok number but it’s not like CBS ordered four more shows for next year.
by ufc4 on Nov 11, 2009 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, my bad. Any way, you say it wasn’t that great based on what, Kimbo numbers? Viewership went up by over a million viewers for the main event. And CBS claimed they were focused on the 18-34 demographic and not all the old folks that tuned out. I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t have more shows in the future.
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by MyFistYourFace on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I’d really like to see the demographics of those who watch Saturday night re-runs on network television. Either fan show junkies or old people conditioned to just watching broadcast TV.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh ya...whatever
Dana is one angry man. Personally I think that last few UFC shows have lost a great deal of their luster. One thing that can be said for Fedor is the man puts on an exciting fight. That alone will always draw me to an event that showcases his talents and pulls me away from any free UFC airing.
by Hirada on Nov 11, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
What luster?
If you’re interested in good fights, the UFC has delivered. You can’t have it both ways. They’re both put on good fights, angry Dana and all. If his loud mouth effects your enjoyment of Rua/Machida, then you’re too emotionally involved.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The luster lost, IMO, is that the UFC is putting on too many cards. The market is bearing it, which is probably reason enough for some of the members here to jizz in their pants, but the UFC is sacrificing quality for quantity. Again, IMO.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, IYO
Maybe I like more fighters than you do, I don’t know. I’d rather watch four cards a month, two from the UFC, every single month for the rest of my life than quarterly, but hey— it’s IMO.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dana white works for UFC, not for MMA. ofcourse he’s going to bad mouth anything any other org does. i’ve got no problem with it. i’m a fan of MMA, i’ll watch strikeforce, ufc, dream and sit back and enjoy the ride.
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by MicahW on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Atta boy
That’s definitely the attitude to have, in my mind. Let them have it out— let us see the dividends. Competition is good. I was actually getting kinda bored when they were playing grab ass for the first few months.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is my general line of thinking
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You hit the nail on the head with the conflicts between Zuffa’s full package programming when there’s already an inhouse sports operation.
It’s not that the networks wont take it or that it’s a deal breaker for them… the problem is they want to utlize some of “their fixed costs” that they already have so the numbers aren’t always optimal… and when some of the inhouse guys arent getting a piece of the action it’s never an easy political atmosphere.
A UFC debut on CBS would have done around 3 times the strikeforce overall.
And I wrote over a year ago that it’s a lose-lose situation for CBS because if they succeed with this programming all another network has to do is sign Zuffa’s “NFL” to CBS’s “CFL” and then what was the upside of taking the initial risk?
Will CBS continue with MMA? and if so will they up the ante by going with a more proven property?
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A UFC debut on CBS would have done around 3 times the strikeforce overall.
is that based on a headlining “Lesnar vs Fedor” event? or just on the UFC name alone?
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by MicahW on Nov 11, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People need
to get over Fedor being a draw. Brock fighting a lunch pale in the UFC will out sell any Fedor fight. If Fedor was such a great draw his PPV numbers would be respectable, they aren’t.
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would imagine that the money the UFC would have spent on fedor they would have promoted him to no end. by the time fedor vs lesnar fight happened, fedor would have been as big a name as lesnar (based soley on how much the UFC crammed him down peoples throats.)
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by MicahW on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a reason why Lesnar has been “crammed down your throat”, Micah :
HE’S THE UFC HEAVWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
I think Champions, in general, are always “crammed down the fans throats” no matter who they are, actually. It just so happens that Lesnar :
1.) Is Popular
2.) Is a BEAST
3.) Can draw more PPV Buys of him picking his nose than Fedor vs. Anybody.
4.) He has fewer weaknesses than Mr. Humble himself(Fedor). Let’s face it…..Brock would’ve whooped Rogers’ azz six-ways-to-sunday and ended the fight in the first round.
by BNTHIS on Nov 12, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not getting the point, it’s not that Fedor was a draw before Sartuday, it’s that he may be a draw now. A free show can do wonders to promote someone, and Fedor has now been seen by 5.46 mil people in the states (the ninth highest viewed mma match in history). That’s not that bad…
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… But nobody becomes an overnight draw unless you’re susan boyle and the viral nature and google trends for Fedor post show is nothing.
He got great exposure but it’s gonna take more repetition to reach critical mass.
Five million plus people saw Ramage (his debut and against Hendo) twice and he still wasnt what I would label as a “draw”.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who knows if Fedor can have an effect of a susan boyle, the fact is that the Page vs Hendo fight was very competitive and very technical, to a casual fan it could be deemed boring. I think the Fedor fight was very entertaining to both the casuals and hard core fans.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we already know that it didnt have a susan boyle effect… go check any indicator.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about? which indicator?
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Google Trends
Google Trends are a good indicator of popularity of a person/subject. People often check them right after events to see if someone/something is being searched by people on the Internet. It is thought to be pretty reliable. You can check a timeline and see how much it increases or decreases.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It needs an instant zOmg factor to register a spike.
You are comparing a fight to Kim Kardashian nude photos or Nipple Gate.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to www.google.com/trends
Once you get there, search for fedor, then search for UFC, then type ’ fedor, ufc ’ without the ’ marks and you will get a comparison between the two.
He got a little bump like he does whenever there is a big announcement, but most are from croatia or the ukraine. In the side-by-side comparison UFC is way higher.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
type fedor emelianenko, ufc instead for a more accurate assessment
fedor articles that came up for just fedor included some hockey player. include the last name.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I see, never really checked out these types of sites, so it’s good to know, thanks :P
I’d argue however, that it’s not a great comparison. It’s one athlete against an organization. Try Fedor vs Lesnar, or even Kimbo (the two biggest draws), and even though they are higher than Fedor (much higher), Fedor still got some love there (try Georges st Pierre too, he’s not that big there, but we know he has a good following). I think it’s still early to tell if Fedor can be a big draw, if CBS and SF can continue to deliver in Fedor I think he has the potential to be huge.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t compare sheer volume right now, look at the peaks.
I don’t know what the numbers mean, but UFC 91 got Brock up around 35, UFC 100 got him up to 65/70, this card got Fedor up to 2, when Affliction 3 being canceled got him up to over 4. That is the thing, yes, he got a big bump from this card, but it’s not close to susan boyle (over 60). or Brock. It was a bump, but not a world changing one.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mean a Susan Boyle literally as in just as popular as her, I meant a Susan Boyle as what she became to music American Idol and what Fedor can become to MMA. Brock is a previous WWE Champ, and WWE has a huge following, and he carried that popularity with him to the UFC.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but look at the peak and the boost.
Brock gets bigger boosts than fedor did. machida gets bigger boosts than Fedor did.
It was a boost, but not a huge one.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
try Georges st Pierre :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not the one saying GSP had a susan boyle effect.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I’m not saying you did, but GSP does have a pretty good following, yet his “trends” are not good at all.
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because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the boys at Gatorade and Under Armour missed that huh?
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s my only point, the “trends” are very helpful, but it doesn’t mean if someone scores low, that it makes that person unpopular.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Total non-point
You’re championing the fallout as a success to Fedor’s future popularity. Well, that’s a tangible indicator that shows otherwise. Do you have a quantifiable measurement of his new-found popularity? Google Trends went apeshit after Machida KO’d Rashad. It’s pretty reliable stuff. I love me some Fedor, but that fight alone isn’t going to make him a draw. A lot of people saw Pat Berry put a stamp on Hardonk and he’s not going to be a household name without doing that a few more times in front of a large audience. And he not only speaks English, but he’s very charasmatic and was very relatable in his post-fight speech. You can’t just go Fedor+CBS+KO=Draw without providing some information to support that reasoning.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t just go Fedor+CBS+KO=Draw without providing some information to support that reasoning.
the information is 5.45 mil, numbers don’t lie. and if trends are great than me thinking GSP was a popular fighter makes me a fool :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Err...
What that has to do with Fedor is beyond me. You can’t just extract the rating and go “hurray Fedor! Now everyone loves you!”. Let’s be more methodical..
Further, it’s clear you don’t understand trending on a SEARCH ENGINE. You have to reason that nobody knew who Fedor was, so if they wanted to know, they’d search for more information after being so enthralled with his performance on Saturday night. GSP is on PPV. People order a PPV to watch him in a main event— because they know who he is.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, people also know who Brock is, and Couture, and they do great on Trends.
What that has to do with Fedor is beyond me.
you mean pulling 1.5 mil more than the rest of the card had nothing to do with Fedor? Ok than…. but don’t mind me, I don’t know shit according to you :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really don't
I won’t continue to argue trends with someone that has a clear agenda. Logic clearly has history working w/trends and SEO and so do I. So yeah, it’s all Fedor and now he can bust a mill on PPV.
Shrug/eyeroll/yawn.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s funny how you think I have an agenda when I’m a big fedor hater. so go on UFC grasshopper, spread the seeds DW plant on ya :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UFC grasshopper, very creative..
Where were you for the Sengoku live thread?
Go away..
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, you seriously make me laugh, I can’t stay up 24hrs to watch Sengoku, but I’ll live you alone, you can’t argue without taking things in the wrong way. just word of advice, life is too short to take insults on the internet my friend, you’ll live longer without them… peace (and I mean that :P)
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm deeply offended
My quote was “I poop rainbows” for the longest time. Just because I’m surly doesn’t mean I’m over here taking a bite out of my desk. Don’t flatter yourself.
The point is that I think it’s silly when the term UFC fanboy (or it’s synonyms) is bandied about by the likes of you. I watch Japanese MMA, pound some coffee, and go straight to work. Because I enjoy the UFC and recognize their contributions to my favorite sport, I’m somehow writing off all others and taking up arms for them? Be more complex. It’s not the ivory tower and the ants below— you don’t have to pick a side.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice to meet you Surly :P and I don’t pick sides, I just call things on a event to event basis.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a limitation of the search engine. Everyone knows him as GSP or st. Pierre.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately GSP pulls up some sort of government security program, not the athlete, and st. pierre also does very low.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Inability to differentiate is the limitation.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, you could be right, so I stand corrected :P
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I find trending data fascinating, and random stuff is cool like seeing the most common misspelling of words.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One man vs an organization
You are right, but most casual fans will wonder ‘why isn’t fedor in the ufc’ when they hear about him and his fights. I would imagine more people would hear about him if he was in the UFC due to the popularity of the organization…..maybe try strikeforce, ufc to see how he could benefit from the push of the UFC. I did check other fighters vs fedor and the results were interesting.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but things can change. the UFC is bigger today than any other organization, but this could change in 5 to 10 years from now. Every organization has to start somewhere, and building popularity and brands takes time. Just look at where the UFC was prior to TUF.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could indeed change 5 to 10 years from now :
UFC could be even BIGGER and Strikeforce would be long gone from the collective consciousness after it goes the way of EliteXC, like I"m predicting it to go.
by BNTHIS on Nov 12, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not my point… I agree, dont compare UFC with Fedor – Joey was giving you an example of what you can do with it.
Simply look at the trends and see where they go after the show.
Sorry to say he’s not a superstar yet…
Repetition, Repetion, Repetion, Repetition. Its going to take more repeated impressions to cement his image in the mindshare of the audience.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I still think making an assumption after one event is not ideal here, perhaps after two or three?
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not an assumption… look at the numbers.
Im not saying he wont be a star but Fedor NOW being a star is greatly exaggerated.
2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6… nobody knows because we dont know what will transpire in his next fights. But If I had to guess I would say it would take more than 3.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I think we are mostly on the same page. I feel we need to look at the next few events to determine if he can be a big draw or not, one event is not sufficient.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The comparison with UFC was just to give you an idea of how popular the UFC is and the boost it can give to someone within it.
The trends just show how often people were googling his name. You would expect a jump if he made a big impression but it is not the only variable.
You can’t make an assumption after one event. Most of the people are saying ’It’s a Success!!!!’ and ‘5.4 Million, He’s now a STar!!!!‘. I disagree with that. We won’t be able to tell what this event did until he is done with his next two or three fights. Until then we won’t be able to realistically draw any assumptions.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but he did pull 1.5 mil views more than the rest of the event, so to that extent it was a success for him. But I do agree with you on the trend, which he did poorly, so for sure the next few events will determine for sure where he stands as a draw.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The 1.5M increase is definitely good. I would like to see how it goes next time, though, if he fights within the timeframe of the scheduled broadcast. That would be a more accurate assessment. The amount of viewers who may have switched to watch the news could have accounted for that….You think the last half hour of the show would have the biggest increase.
If he can keep up large viewership across three events he will have legit statistics to back M-1/Millen’s claims.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have no idea how many of those 1.5 tuned in to see Fedor.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what's weird about the argument
A lot of people are attributing all of them and then carrying them over to future events. Like they enjoyed mass at a religion they’ve never observed, so now they have to come every Sunday. But then arguments about the UFC always provide assumptions to detract from their success like “Suppose Hendo signs with Strikeforce, Marquardt becomes a monk and Anderson Silva dies in a plane crash. Who has the better MW division, SF or UFC?”.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquardt definitely has the flurry of blows ability of the monk.
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by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they kept on the channel to see the fight, than you have to give those numbers to Fedor. We’re talking about potential new fans for Fedor, and if he can be a draw in the future, not who Fedor brought in to see him fight per se.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh, no we don’t. We have no idea what people did when they tuned in. Seriously, it could be ANY reaction. It could be horror, disdain, apathy, etc, etc, etc.
You guys, on both sides, are WAY to quick to jump to conclusions about the numbers. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who would continue to watch something that was horrifying? disdaining? apathetic?, etc, etc?
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the car crash type of idea its disturbing but cant turn away also as i have stated before many could have turned it on and walked away from the tv to eat, use washroom, or go have a smoke or somethig while waiting for the news
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with that said i hope SF gets bigger then maybe the UFC will put on a live card as a counter not a main event show
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
truth
and I’ll be down for that haha
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the main event show was a bad way to counter, maybe another live fight night with a big main event. I mean i believe a PPV quality card on spike wouold kill a SF rating, i also could be wrong, but it would be fun to find out
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More people listen to Howard Stern because they hate him. People are weird. People could have seen the news wasn’t on yet and just waited, not liking whatever was running into their TV time. They might have gotten up to get a drink… it goes on and on.
The fact is, you don’t know. I don’t know either, but I’m not claiming I do.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not claiming I do either… My center argument is that we need to wait and see how other shows will do with Fedor, because it is too early to tell if he will be a draw or not. But because we have so many people that are DW die hard fans, our ideas gets lost in translations.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thnk Fedor as a main event is a no brainer but right now work on getting guys to be a supporting cast. Likee right now their MW champ is a lepper for ratings. It would be awesome if Cung le got a chance to fight on the same card against mayhem that is a good co main event
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they should just have shields vs jacaré, that way it makes the mw division believable.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hopfully jacare destroys him and he goes back to his own division
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I understand that is what your stance is now that we’ve talked about it but this started because you claimed something different from this.
he did pull 1.5 mil views more than the rest of the event
and
you have to give those numbers to Fedorare claiming to know what those numbers mean.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, you think people went to the bathroom waiting for the news, I think they sat down and watched a fight (with fedor). numbers are numbers, the fact of the matter is that fedor pulled those numbers, they are not speculation. saying people got up and went to the bathroom is though.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s just fact vs speculation. but not enough facts to make fedor a draw without future events (this is my position).
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be hard only the fight was a complete over run thats where the ida of people wandering away form the tv waiting for the news comes from. If it was even a large increase in the last 15 mins before the time slot was up sure fedor did his job but thats now the case. The entire fedor fight cut into the news.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how I feel about it. If the ratings spiked at 10:45 those would be Fedors numbers. It’s really grasping at straws to think numbers gained when he wasn’t supposed to be on should be attributed to him.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really grasping at straws to think numbers gained when he wasn’t
supposed to beon should be attributed to him.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying Fedor is what pulled the numbers IS speculation. How do you not get that?
I don’t “think” people went to the bathroom. I don’t “think” they did anything. I’m giving you a bunch of plausible scenarios to illustrate why claiming Fedor pulled 1.5 is premature.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK tv networks udge how a show does by its time slot. The fact of the matter is fedors fight was not in the SF timeslot
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right, which is speculation, nothing to be offended by. Seriously, I say one thing and you guys take offense to it. It is speculation to give various scenarios to what could have happened, which is what you are doing, which is speculation. Nothing to be upset about it, because it could be true! It is a fact that Fedor’s fight pulled 1.5 mil more views, that is a fact! I really don’t get what’s so hard about getting this factual stuff down…
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was to vegasbatman.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not offended, dude. No worries. I think I am getting caught up on what you mean by “pulled”. I feel it implies that Fedor is the reason for the 1.5, but now I’m not sure you mean it that way.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he might be or might not. My point is that the fight did pull those numbers, that’s the only fact I’m stating. We can speculate all we want, me saying that Fedor did pull those numbers and you saying it was due to the news, now we need to wait a bit and see if he continues to pull those numbers, and that will cement our theories. But regardless, the fact is that the fight did pull 1.5 mil views more.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want this to get into semantics, but when you say “pulled” it seems to imply it was the cause. That’s where our disagreement came up. The Fedor fight had 1.5 million extra people tuned into it, we still don’t know why.
I think we agree, just not on the wording and stuff.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you an edge on the language department, because English is not my native language :P
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With this reasoning you can speculate that the ratings of anything on tv at all is irrelevant.
You don’t know what people are doing when their TV is on tuned into a certain channel. The could be autoeroticasphyxiating in the next room and just using the sound of the TV to drown it out. Seriously.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
. We won’t be able to tell what this event did until he is done with his next two or three fights. Until then we won’t be able to realistically draw any assumptions.
This is why this whole topic is absurd. People can speculate all they want, but they should realize that opinions + speculation ≠ fact
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, where the hell were you in the past two hours!
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage fought marven eastman and chuck before hendo or did you mean his Spike debut?
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't saying it was before anything...
simply that there were two times where he was seen by 5+ million
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Google Trends?
What is with this board and Google trends?
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on having one of the best cards of the year debuting on CBS. When Zuffa debuts on network it will be with one of if not the best cards of the year. So if you look at the yearly shows on ppv the most stacked one of the year would be a good reference.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think so? The cards Zuffa puts on spike now are not that impressive. Why would they put stacked cards on network tv?
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im talking about the debut (first one) and then the other 2 or 3 will be ppv caliber but not “UFC 100” material.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would obviously want to make a GREAT first impression
I would imagine that the first card they did on network TV would be stacked so they could say ‘I told you so!’.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and all the other ones following would be watered down :(
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Liberties
I think if the UFC gets a network deal, it’ll be the hotwire to engage a consumption of the WEC weight classes. They’re too smart to saturate. Even now, when we bitch about them not putting together good mains, they are having extremely successful cards. In March, they’re going to have an over-abundance of main event fighters ready to go.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they can at least put good main events I’ll be happy, such as the card for 105, I don’t like it but I like Couture vs Vera.
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as big into main's as a lot of people
I like a good, well-rounded card over a top-heavy one. And I like to see as many fights as possible.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but I understand that to put many cards in a year you have to cut some big names to deliver. as long as you have at least a great main event with a big name that should be sufficient to give the card for free…
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why thanks
I think that’s the first time you’ve ever agreed with any of my analysis about anything. lol.
good point about the “fixed costs” and the office politics.
but which network will take the UFC plunge?
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by Kid Nate on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So none of them?
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by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not true… you also hit the nail on the head with why Fedor is valuable to Zuffa (back when the negotiations fell through) while everyone continues to look at the cosmetics of the situation – including Bruce Buffer.
The direct monetization of fedor is not worth his price but the prestige for Zuffa is… it saves about a year to a year and half of maturation for the UFC brand… And lorenzo really, really wants to make FULL use of the 25 million dollar tape library he purchased.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What was 25 million? Affliction? I thought Dream was purchased for around 70 million?
by I don't wear mma t-shirts on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dream? I think you mean pride… and no it wasnt purchased for anywhere near that.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So where does the $25 million figure come from?
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is a faberge egg
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NBC has worked with Strikeforce before and also WWE has had ‘Saturday Night Main Event’ before. I could see them trying to compete with CBS.
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion is that it will be NBC
They’re desperate right now, if anyone is following network trends. They badly need to find new and successful programming and I think a UFC deal would be a match made in heaven.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Not to mention NBC has worked in the past with Rogan on “Fear Factor”. So they would probably be open to having him commentate.
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by ANance on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Another point I wanted to make. Good call.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I’m a big NBC fan (rather a fan of The Office, Parks, Community, 30 Rock) and would LOVE for them to get the UFC! Now I’m all hopeful… damn you.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mention those shows
That’s about the only good thing they have going right now. That and their one NFL game a week. They’re seriously desperate.
And yeah, Thursday night are teh BESSSST.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the problem with UFC using their own commentary team for their own events. Even if they did get on network TV. Rogan and Goldberg aren’t anymore biased for the UFC than the NFL commentary teams are for the NFL. Same with MLB and NBA.
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by mattman73 on Nov 11, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i really dont understand people who are against promotions promoting themselves. if i was trying to sell you on how good i am, i’d talk about how awesome i am and how much everyone else sucks. whats wrong with that? its up to the buyer/consumer to sift through all the talk.
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by MicahW on Nov 11, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. This is typical Dana White. It’s easy to point out the obvious in that if the UFC were on CBS, then the UFC would do higher than Strikeforce on CBS. Dana is just being the promoter and towing the compnay line, and Strikeforce is the competition so he has to, in his mind, put them down. I personally don’t like it, but I understand it.
by chrisbboy82 on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with the last statement. careful control of the product limits short term growth, but has overall created the UFC we see today.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 11, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was fucking sick! rec’d!
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
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by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just sent this
to three other people that missed the fight. I hope they think that’s what really happened.
by rzor on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell man!
I just see a stupid “Bandwidth Exceeded” image! :(
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's too bad for you....
because it is far and away the greatest mma gif I have ever seen!
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by Warhand on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
And I’ll let you in on something,
Everyone else sees the same thing.
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by Well Read Idiot on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
I’m guessing the bandwidth was exceeded, what do you think?
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be on to something
Good work.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't want to jump to any conclusions
You’ll have my full report in the morning.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
copy and paste http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/spineblaZe/arkhamasylum_fedor.gif into your browser to see it
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by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just right-click on it,
select “Copy Image Location” and paste the url in a new tab/window.
or here it is -
by Grappo on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I see it! HOLY F***!!!! THAT IS AWSOME!!!!!!!1
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Noice.
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best GIF I have seen in a very long time. Just sheer awesomeness.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Just… wow.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A well placed false news story and this gif will produce a spike in Google Trend.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow… just… wow
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
by MicahW on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bandwith Exceeded
photobucket
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! What an awesome gif!
The drawings and the words “Bandwidth Exceeded” along with “photobucket” are TOP-NOTCH!!!!
:p
by BNTHIS on Nov 12, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever it is, repost
It’s down d00d.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we still take anything Dana says seriously?
Everything is promoter BS, just saying their product is superior to theirs, which in some cases maybe true but not always. Its just a promoter speaking, hes not gonna say anything groundbreaking just “my show is [expletive] better than yours.”
by IRodC on Nov 11, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there are websites dedicated to hamburgers where people catch feelings whenever Burger King disses the Big Mac.
by Jahbulon on Nov 11, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If not there should be, because it is totally wrong how McDonald’s is always saying how their Big Mac and burgers are the best. Burger King has really good burger’s too, there’s no reason to try to talk down to them. There’s room enough for both!!!
by joseph. on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burger King is infinitely better at all things burger than McDonald’s could ever hope to be.
This is why no such site exists.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s just funny how he always changes what he says though. First he didn’t have a problem with SF (even though he called them strikefarce), his problem was with CBS (because they probably shut him down and he was butt hurt). Now he has a problem with Strikeforce and calls them a joke. He keeps going back and forth, which proves he feels threatened by them. I hope strikeforce keeps doing great actually, specially if they are on CBS more often, this would make the UFC sign a network deal sooner than later, which means more free MMA for everyone! God I love capitalism!
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really get it
Does he have some obligation to you or anyone else to always stay faithful to his suggestion that he doesn’t have a problem with Coker or Strikeforce? He’s allowed to organically change his line of thinking, particularly when a promotion is attempting to inch into his market share. What a jerk! He wants his business to be more successful than other businesses! In what other field does this hilarious reasoning apply? Fuck you Pepsi!
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never seen a coca-cola commercial telling pepsi to fuck off, nor a coca-cola exec telling pepsi to fuck off in front of cameras. I’m a fan of how coca-cola promotes itself (even though I don’t drink it). Bigger companies know they are too good to be bothered by smaller companies, there is no need to bad mouth a smaller competition.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, pardon me
Get a bar of soap? Cursing doesn’t bother me, maybe you’re white gloved. It’s not a direct parallel, use some imagination.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about, I curse all the time. You don’t seem to understand however that the business world is different than ours, don’t feel so bad though, DW doesn’t understand it either :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He just understands how to build a billion dollar company and industry from scratch. Please excuse him because he obviously doesnt know what you know otherwise he would be on CBS and have this deal and that deal, etc… etc….
OHHHHHHH KKKKKKKKKK.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
he did have some help with TUF though, which made the UFC what it is today :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC created the concept of TUF and funded the first season themselves. So what is your point?
by Dropkick434 on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt have a point… just grasping at straws like he always does.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, The UFC did come up with TUF, not DW the saviour :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, so you are claiming Spike TV came to the UFC and said, “Hey guys, would you like to have a reality TV show on our station?”
by Dropkick434 on Nov 11, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well no, it was Lorenzos idea. Dana thought it was stupid.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lorenzo for the WIN
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMMFAO
at you accusing anyone else of grasping at straws. You will literally say ANYTHING to promote Zuffa. The Strikeforce show was a failure. Strikeforce’s success paves the way for the UFC to come to network TV. The people watching CBS when Fedor was fighting weren’t watching Fedor fight. Total viewership ratings trump demographic analysis. Dana White isn’t a total douchebag. Care to add to the list?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You were one of the Affiktion guys too?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope, just a fan of good fights (of any kind, boxing, k-1, mma) and annoyed by shills. I like some of the stuff logic has to say, when he’s talking strictly about the UFC. When he goes off on the competition though, he says virtually anything to make his point, even if it doesn’t make sense.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Nov 11, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Than ours?
How do you know what I do? For your information, I’m a multiple business owner.
You love taking liberties, dontcha?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, just now seen this, why are you getting offended?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I’m furious. Wow man, give it a rest with the interweb psychology. I’m not going to remember this conversation in five minutes.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn you fucker!
(sarcastically :P)
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think there’s a slight difference between a company that sells soda and a company that sells two guys punching each other in the face??
by ufc4 on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
:)
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Facepunch soda existed.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, not the same thing but
There IS a hentai soda called Tentacle Grape http://www.tentaclegrape.com/
It’s Japanese Porn soda… so where’s my Facepunch soda??
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At work, so not really keen on clicking a link to a soda company inspired by Japanese porn…. but I am morbidly curious.
Terrifying thought, what may happen when one opens that can.
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by woomikee on Nov 11, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, gonna have to buy some of this for Christmas gifts =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
They tend to be a little less obvious than that. Verizon is getting sued my ATT right now for their “there’s a map for that” commercials. No one is swearing, true, but it’s still dirty business.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Passive aggression is ALWAYS the worse of two evils
It’s one of my long-held beliefs. Tell me how you really feel.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be the first to say that ALL businesses are dirty, but having a clean face to sell is what each of those devils have in common.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the UFC shouldn't be successful?
Well, they are. Point defeated. If there was a point, that is..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, they are because they are alone, but going into partnerships is a whole different ball game
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhhh
Like sponsors? Hmm.. I’ll sleep on it.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, good comeback, but don’t forget that DW will bend over for big sponsors, such as was the case for the budlight (not sure if it was budweiser, I’m not that good with American beers) and Brock incident. Everyone has to give in a bit in order to make things work, and frankly I can understand why network execs would want to pass on deals with DW’s signature on the other side. All I’m saying is that they have much to lose to work with a loose cannon, and I know you don’t agree but it’s how I view DW.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bend over?
Absolutely not. He chewed out Brock for doing totally unacceptable to any sponsor, blue chip or not. He certainly pushes on things, like having Mickey’s sponsor TUF episodes since it’s not technically a UFC fight. He definitely isn’t “bending over” for any sponsor.
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t think? it would be stupid of him not to bend over for big sponsors, I didn’t mean that in a bad way, sponsors is what makes you competitive (in the UFC’s case a monopoly right now), no sponsors no cheddar. If DW doesn’t bend over he’s stupid, but he does, so at least he’s doing that right :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly don’t understand the difference between concessions/negotiations and the infamous scene in Deliverance.
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This comment
is what is wrong with America today.
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
I’m not American :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me buy you a beer, wine or whiskey then.
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, a nice cold beer would be good!
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many company execs are interviewed though?
That’s the key point. If Dana wasn’t in the fight game, we’d never hear about him, just like any other exec, until something shady happens that actually draws investigations and what not.
by black dragon on Nov 13, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but overall I can’t think of any exec (outside the MMA world) badmouthing any competitor or anyone for that matter in front of cameras. I understand that it’s two completely different business models, but I just think the way DW acts turns off a lot of tv exects.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 13, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my point though...
I guarantee you if Coke were losing ground to Pepsi (or vice versa) a higher up would pitch a bitch fit. The only difference is, again, nobody goes out of their way to interview these guys unless something goes wrong or something goes really right. Business as usual = no one cares. If Pepsi did something that drew, say 100 mil in profit while Coke only did half, I concede that maybe the Coke exec might, might be more diplomatic. But I don’t know, because the scenario isn’t something encountered as much as “hey Dana, new promotion, big show, what are you thoughts”
That is a weird sig line by the way. Who tripped over their words to produce that masterpiece?
by black dragon on Nov 13, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I can’t remember his name, but it’s supposed to be from a big philosopher and since I have an elephant’s brain I just can’t remember who that was (and it might have been written a bit differently too, I’m paraphrasing since I can’t remember exactly what the philosopher said he did not like but overall it’s what he said).
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 13, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…can you imagine Dana White’s reaction to hearing that kind of commentary on a UFC telecast?
Exactly what he does when he hears MIke Goldberg…..absolutely nothing….
Bob Arum thinks I'm a white Nazi skinhead even though I'm a brown grad student (with hair)
by ludakrish on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Goldberg has his moments of stupidity
But in no way is he as bad and uninformed as Gus Johnson. Meanwhile, comparing Joe and Mauro, Ranallo probably knows more than Joe, but he (Mauro) just does not have a voice suited for play-by-play commentary. That alone makes Joe Rogan a hundred times better than Mauro Ranallo.
Not to mention Joe and Mike have a strange sort of chemistry that makes them listenable. Gus and Mauro (And Frank, when he feels like saying something) do not.
by dv8shun on Nov 11, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauro doesn’t have the color voice because he should be doing the PBP.
And I think Gus surpassed Goldberg in the awful department. Way to go Gus!
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by Mike Fagan on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldy is teh suck, plain and simple. But we let him slide becuase he’s funny. Gus in way better than him. Wayyy better. Goldy is predictable its the same thing with him over and over.
My perfect team would be Gus, Florian and Rogan.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dear gawd, you can’t be serious about keeping Gus. greg gumble would be an improvement over gus even if greg knew absolutely nothing about MMA cause that’s exactly what gus knows. Mauro has to be part of any dream team.
Anyway dana, instead of whining abuot it why dont you do something.
by naturalist on Nov 11, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Bas doesn’t want to do commentary anymore. My dream team for Strikeforce would be Bas, Mauro, and put a shock collar on Gus for anytime he says something dumb. Hell I’d take the IFL team over the crap the Gus and Frank are giving us now.
by itsallgood013 on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I know all this Gus hate stems from his MMA work, and I can’t defend him there, but he is so great for Basketball and Football.
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by woomikee on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gus is new to MMA, though. IMO he’s getting better everytime. My point up there is that he’s better than Goldie.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I care about Strikeforce and so did 5 million other households. =(
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The UFC will start to poach fighters now. No doubt Jake Shields will jump ship. I don’t know about Rogers he seemes to enjoy where he is so he could very well stay. Robbie Lawler will probably end up back in the UFC. Overeen Does not wnat to fight i the states so it dont really matter.
Strikeforce should build up fighters that they know have no intrest in the UFC. Guys like Mayhem who has stataed they have no intrest in the UFC.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dana doesn’t need to poach fighters… If strikeforce has to pay higher premiums in resigning them then Zuffa did its job. Remember if Strikeforce doesnt get a fighter they use that money somehwere else. Signing fighters are the best and fastest way to burn a budget and dig a whole especially when they come at a premium.
Strikeforce is putting most of their eggs in one basket which is huge mistake because that means Zuffa only has to sign 1 fighter away… and the fact that Fedor only has 3 fights (2 more left) this is a very, very risky move.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’re also gambling on Fedor’s dislike of Dana.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor said he has no ill will towards Dana and realizes it’s just business and that’s what he has to do.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
But im sure the UFC will pick off a few fighters that will help their brand. To be honest thinking about it if any thing Shields hurt his chances of getting a good deal with the ufc after his fight, if any thing they will leave him there as a poison pill champion
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana .... what a douche....if i had a nickel 4 every lie he put out there....i would have been as rich as his ass.
by OnewayTiket on Nov 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I had a dollar for every retarded comment you
posted I would be as rich as Bill gates.
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would have $51 at most.
Just bustin’ chops.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is awesome. Maybe I need
to watch TV sometime. What movie is this from?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does no one think that UFC production needs some work though?
The formula is good – for fight nights and low caliber events it’s fine as it is. However for the biggest events (i.e. UFC 100 level) doesn’t anyone think there should be more of a spectacle involve?
The glitz and the glamour, fireworks crazy entrances – those will help create a real spectable and stars.
Think about the Thrilla in Manilla or the Rumble in the Jungle. SPECTACLE!
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I personally don’t like that stuff. MMA is already closely entwined with the WWE no reason to go that way any further. Keep it a real sport.
by Sliup on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gladiator imagery, dudes mean-mugging shirtless in mist, and screaming nu-metal, don’t exactly say “real sport” to me.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There can be work done in production, but I don’t think fireworks during the entrances is the answer.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care much for pyro either. PRIDE only ever used it at the beginning of shows, not during fighter entrances (so far as I can remember).
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it. Get that crap outta there.
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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The pyro, or high-concept production in general?
If the latter, man, I just can’t get on board… stuff like this is just too much fun to me. And
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And… nothing else, I don’t know where that extra “and” came from.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not even the fireworks, those ridiculous entrances mean pro wrestling to the majority of people right now, I don’t think they are necessary. If you made a list of ways to improve production for Zuffa, fighter entrances would be near the bottom.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t care if big entrances evoke pro wrestling. They’re fun. I like fun.
I actually do think UFC entrances are fine, though. The through-the-crowd thing has its own unique feel that I appreciate (and which is probably a lot more cost-effective). It’s nearly everything else, save the capturing of the fights themselves, which I have a problem with.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Though I can’t help pointing out that the through-the-crowd entrances remind of old All Japan Pro Wrestling from the 90s.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with the Gladiator intro?
The nu-metal track and the dark room/mist shots are silly, I’ll give you that, but I find they do a decent job of showcasing the fighters on the card.
Would you rather have the intro to Strikeforce show last Saturday? Personally, I thought it was pretty slick production-wise (With all the slick slo-mo shots). It did a good job, imo, of selling the CBS/Strikeforce brand of MMA event, but not the fighters on the main card.
by dv8shun on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Actual gladiators were most often slaves forced to fight to the death for public amusement. That’s a really uncomfortable association for me. (I realize that’s probably not what the public at large thinks of, though.)
2. It’s cheesy, and they use it eeeeverrrryyyy siiiinngle tiiiime.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funny fact, most gladiator matches did not end up in death!
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s nice. It’s still not the association I would choose for a sport trying to shed its barbaric image.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh for sure, I hate those intros myself (but to me it’s because they’ve gotten a bit old), but still.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m offended by clowns, but I’m pretty sure McDonalds won’t be getting rid of Ronald anytime soon. Ditto for that damn energizer bunny.
The UFC gladiator is the perhaps the single most iconic image in MMA. When people see that Gladiator, they immediately know what they are watching. That kind of brand identity is invaluable and Zuffa has spent nearly a decade building that identity.
Asking the UFC to get rid of the gladiator is akin to asking McDonalds to get rid of their clown or Energizer to get rid of their rodent.
by Steve4192 on Nov 12, 2009 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you. The gladiator thing irritates me every time.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I am not interested in “glitzy” entrances and “spectacle”. The fights SHOULD be the spectacle and despite the griping of some folks, UFC 100 lived up to my expectations in every way. This ain’t pro wrasslin’.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
True
I used to want PRIDE-style entrances domestically, until I saw how EXC and Affliction were doing them. It’s like some sad parody (and SF was more of the same). FLAMES! SPARKLERS! DANCING GURLS! I feel like I’m watched WCW Nitro or something..
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-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss those Pride entrances. Nothing compares to the original.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Now I feel that they’re sacred and I’d rather leave it to DREAM to try to replicate them. It’s nice to have that polarity between products.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even like it when DREAM does it. Somehow it’s just not the same.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least when they try it doesn't come off as parody
It’s like, Swedish metal bands are allowed to sing-sing, but when a US metal band does it, I want to shove a letter opener in my ear.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s because when they are Scandinavian, they are melodic death metal. If they are American, it’s metalcore. Just like Scandinavian/European bands can be black metal but American bands can only be symphonic deathcore.
Yes, I am a metal nerd. \m/ O \m/
by pdl on Nov 11, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I like how distinct the Japanese MMA scene is compared to the N. American scene. Watching Dream is like paying to see Page and Plant in concert. Definitely not as good as Led Zeppelin. Still don’t know how I feel about the white cage they tried out. I like watching MMA in a ring as well…
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. Although i liked how they did that kind of stuff during pride, it wouldn’t look good with the UFC. They’re good at building tension before big fights, making it a very big deal for viewers. I like that more.
by ontite on Nov 11, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care for the entrances.
The boxing matches you mentioned were 1 off affairs, were there even any other fights on the undercard?
I’ll gladly sacrifice the entrances for more fights, and that’s a real issue when you talk about moving onto network TV.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two comments I received
while watching this event with a very casual MMA fan:
1) What’s with the fireworks? Is this wrestling?
2) Wait… this isn’t UFC? Strikeforce? So this doesn’t even matter then. Why are you watching this?
by rzor on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can thank UFC for bringing in this Ignorant “casual” fanbase. Big entrances are normal for and traditional in my opinion…ever watch Pride?
by Killuminati on Nov 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason it was “traditional” in PRIDE was because PRIDE was bred from Pro-Wrestling. So those “ignorant” fans have a damn good point.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never hear mma tied to wrestling for that reason. The only people i know who relate wrastlin to MMA are the ones who bring up cock chestnar so dont try to reverse it and say SF is bringing the wrastlin vibe because UFC or cock chestNNAARRR is to blame for that
by Killuminati on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you at least pretend to be unbiased?
People equate the entrances with pro wrestling more than they equate Brock with pro wrestling, people have been making wrestling comparisons from the beginning of the sport, Brock may have added a little, but to act like he is the cause of it all is ignorant.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unbiasedPPPLLZZZ!!!!…ive been reading ur posts on here for a while…..and brock added a LITTLE!!!!? now ur in denial my friend.
by Killuminati on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Brock made people equate mma with pro wrestling you are in denial. You are ignoring the fact that modern mma was invented by pro wrestlers and that someone named Ken Shamrock exists.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't call someone biased because they like Lesnar
Phildo is one of the more impartial members of this community.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you need to just chill out.
And using the words you used regarding Brock Lesnar is FIGHTER BASHING and those are grounds for getting kicked out of here…..man, I wish I had the authority but I don’t.
Oh well…
by BNTHIS on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the over the top dancing girls and fire works are just too showy. I mean i remember a interview with Phil Baroni (sp?) and he was standing at a gas pump or something and two dudes said i seen you on tv last night, awesomentrance and phil was insulted because all they remembered about him was an entrance. I enjoy the UFC style entrance and believe that SF should do them but this is SFs first network tv show and they will refine their production i mean look at afflcition, the first show was horrable but the second show was better by leaps and bounds.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, when Saku used to get on the mic after a win and announce “In fact, Pro Wrestling is strong” nobody related it to MMA….
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We might blame the UFC
for bringing that fan base, but was it the UFC that built that perception, particularly for American fans? I have some Pride events on DVD, but I typically skip the entrances. Personally, when Prince Naseem Hamed was defeated, it had nothing to do with his skill as a boxer and everything to do with his overblown entrances.
by rzor on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
you can thank UFC for bringing in this Ignorant "casual" fanbase.
Let’s keep this sport private. We can put on fights in my basement.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bring the chips!
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In my mind0 the building of the spectacle is important to attract a more casual fan. Yes it’s a sport. And regular ‘fights’ will be as they are now. But when it’s a major event – then it’s like the superbowl. Everyone and their grandma watches it. And in those occasions you need that little bit more ‘oomph’ to keep the casual fans interested.
I don’t expect my gran to watch every Premier League match (UK based) but she should watch the FA cup final. Just like the superbowl – there needs to be a real sense of occasion.
This is not just another ‘game’ or ‘fight’. It’s the most importnat sporting event of that year. A moment when history is going to be made.
The UFC is lacking that.
Maybe if Brock (or whoever is UFC champion at the time) eventually fights Fedor then the UFC will push those buttons.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. I was REALLY hoping UFC 100 would do something like that, make it feel like an event even people who didn’t watch MMA all the time HAD to see. It failed in that regard.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’m not saying apply the spectacle approach to every event – but damn when it’s the CENTENNIAL event there should be some MAJOR shit going down.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UFC has always made their mark on the live experence and for the fans that went they had the fan expo and every thing going on so maybe thats where they decided to put the extra zing to it.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does no one think that UFC production needs some work though?
I do. The UFC’s whole aesthetic is very, very drab. It is the #1 reason I fear the UFC monopoly. Sooooo boooooring.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
I don’t think they need more dazzle, but they need to revise the music, display-presentation and intro videos. They’re already making strides with the Countdown shows, so hopefully there’s more progress on other fronts.
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-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might get burned at the stake for this, but Gus Johnson is pretty good. Lacks MMA knowledge, but he is a good commentator. “The Voice”, I can’t stand. I will never watch another live dream show with the sound on.
CBS’s production sucked, but Gus was a highlight for me. I think in a few years he could easily be the best.
by szucconi on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“I might get burned at the stake for this, but Gus Johnson is pretty good.” He’s better than Jay Glazer and his know all attitude for sure. Mauro is who kills me, him and that hyperbole. He makes it sound like pro wrasslin! Bring in Bas and Quadros over him and Frank! Ha-ha! Actually, Frank is alright in the booth.
by nochapi on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Frank was terrible from what I’ve heard. If you’re the analyst, your job is to score the fight as you go along. If you aren’t going to do that, tell the other people beforehand so they don’t ask you to do it on air.
if they ask you to do it on air and you blow them off, tell them during the next commercial that you don’t score the cards so they don’t ask you again.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t stand Frank’s voice. Lose the braces Frank. Mauro takes thirty minutes to set up a lame ass joke and he uses a fake voice. Also, Mauro, I hear, is a detestable human.
Bas is great. I like Quadros, but he should stay out of the booth and co-host Inside MMA with Bas.
by szucconi on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the english dude from the dream fights. Makes mma sound more sophisticated
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You like his accent, great. I hate his content. I will bet he lays awake at night thinking of ways to shoe horn more jokes into a fight. Also, Dream uses a ten point must, this is more important then making Get Smart references and talking about how sexy the Guy sitting next to you is.
by szucconi on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dream uses a ten point mus
Sengoku uses 10-point-must, I think DREAM still does whole-fight judging.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I try to make a point and I mix up the damn promotions. Sorry, thats on me.
by szucconi on Nov 11, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More UFC propaganda
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The Enlightenment
by Krawchuck on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And your agenda is now clear as day.
by Dropkick434 on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agenda..no…..show as much Hatred for DW as possible….yes. I would be the biggest UFC fan if they just gave DW the boot…..he did his part creating a recognized org. but the next step for UFC to monopolized has to come without DW because his tactics will do more harm than good at this point for UFC to make the next HUGE step.
by Killuminati on Nov 11, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The public face of an organization giving propaganda, shocking.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a jerk
He should write me a check.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way dana acts and responds to other companies has to drive away at least a few potential business partners. He talks trash to anyone and everyone who doesnt agree with his idea. All of a sudden strikeforce is a small nothing corporation when their only goal is to become bigger and better
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And then people wonder why the UFC has not gotten a network tv deal yet…
they just need to look at this guy> 
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or look at how much CBS gives SF and how much they pay CBS to produce an inferior product.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember from the Affliction days that people at CBS were not a big fan of DW because of his mouth and that’s why they chose Affliction.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And we’re going to believe them now?
After looking at the production of 4 CBS shows and Elite’s financial documents I don’t know how anyone can think Dana is wrong for not landing a network TV deal yet.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what, you want me to believe DW?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want you to believe anyone.
I want you to realize that it would be dumb for Zuffa to PAY CBS to do a shittier job producing their cards while getting much less revenue than they can generate on their own.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the deal, if SF becomes popular (big emphasis on IF), than the UFC will need to invest in a network deal no matter what if they hope to stay on top as the bigger MMA promotion. I personally don’t think big time executives would want to be in business with someone hot headed that can talk trash about you anytime he wants, with no warrants. My only point is that the UFC would probably be better off without DW if they want to do a network deal, if they choose not to, than their current format is just fine (with DW as well).
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can think that, but using the words from Afffliction execs and the fact that they haven’t taken the shitty deal on the table is not proof of that.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, that was from CBS execs, not Afflictions, which to me is a bit more reliable… I’m not taking this as proof, but to me it is very (very) possible given DW’s way of talking in front of cameras.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana wants it his way or the highway. He wants TOTAL control. He KNOWS we love that 80% rock metal douchbag presentation of MMA they show us. Does he want to present a proffesional looking sports product? NO! FACE THE PAIN! FACE THE PAIN! BREAKING YOU INTO PEI-CESSS!!!!
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"i" before "e" except after "c"
;)
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
…about that edit option. lol
I’m at work too, and I’m tired, and sick. =(
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What??
I am a firm believer that if you’re sick you should stay your ass HOME! Besides, it’s veterans day!
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I’m short on time. Saving it for Christmas so I can spend it with my kids while they’re off from school.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also funny thing, I usually get Veterans day off but they decided to swap it out with an extra day of Christmas vaca. Cool with me.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Can I come work for you? My 6 holidays a year and “You’re sick? That’s nice, see you at 630!” aren’t quite cutting it!
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
by woomikee on Nov 11, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get well friend :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. lol
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a secret:
If Zuffa wanted to do a deal with CBS for the same terms Strikeforce agreed to CBS would run – not walk – to Dana to get the deal done.
They arent doing a deal with strikeforce because Scott Coker is a cute teddy bear… They are doing it because he agreed to their terms.
Dana protects this sport more ways than any one else in this industry… most people don’t realize it.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we are really on the flip side :P Dana protects this sport? You mean how he was going all crazy telling us that last week’s TUF fight was the best in TUF history? By giving us Andy vs Cote or Leites? How again does he protect this sport? I’ll tell you, Dana is a great promoter (to a certain extent), this is why whatever he says or does will never be wrong to you and 80% of the MMA community. I’ll give him that at least.
BTW, CBS is bigger than Zuffa, them running to DW to get a deal done is absurd…
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana protects UFC, not MMA.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good point
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Nov 11, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s just one example:
Who’s been working and investing in setting up sanctioning across the country? Now, what do you think will protect this sport in the next 100 years or 1000? right… keep drinking the fanboy kool aid.
You honestly think CBS wouldnt jump at the chance to get the UFC for the terms they got strikeforce for?
Every other network would.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Logic, I’m sorry brother, but your arguments are just laughable.
Who’s been working and investing in setting up sanctioning across the country?
someone who wanted to grow their promotion.
Now, what do you think will protect this sport in the next 100 years or 1000?
you serious man, I mean, for real? I have no comment on this one ok, and it’s to save you from ridicule…
You honestly think CBS wouldnt jump at the chance to get the UFC for the terms they got strikeforce for?
Every other network would.
is this why the UFC has a network deal?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Logics comments are pretty biased but your responses are getting just as bad. Sure Dana wanted to grow his promotion but that doesn’t mean his actions didn’t help MMA world wide, it’s crystal clear they have.
As for the TV deal, you REALLY think UFC wouldn’t be on TV instead of Strikeforce if they would take the same exact deal? That’s honestly silly.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually misread the part about the deal logic wrote, but people act like DW cares about the sport religiously, which is not true, he cares about the UFC. I just find it enormously silly how people act like DW is the Jesus of MMA, that’s all.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, people get a little Dana crazy but when you lash back at it like this you end up looking like a zealot yourself.
Dana has done and will continue to do tons to help the UFC, which in turn will help MMA. All MMA fans should be glad for that.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care about the way internet people view me, I’m not that geeky :P and I do acknowledge the fact that the UFC (via DW) has saved MMA from extinction during the demise of Pride, this does not mean I’ll suck his balls and not give any criticism to his childish behavior though.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t care that people you’re discussing the topic with write you off because you’re coming off biased and silly that’s your call.
Consider this, if that’s the case why discuss the topic? Shouldn’t the goal be to have intelligent discourse that all sides can respect?
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but not all do respect. I come here because no one I know personally likes MMA, so this is why I come. if there are a few people that don’t like what I write I’m not going to lose sleep over it, I actually find it silly. I do try having some respectable debates, but if something is absurd I’ll call you out on it, and if someone is also taking a jab at me I’ll do the same.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
You’re sort of humiliating yourself by brushing away his points with such resilience. The UFC needs to go to Kentucky to succeed? They could stay in a five-state rotation indefinitely. Be serious..
As for the CBS thing, it’s common knowledge that White has turned down network offers because he didn’t agree to the terms. If you think CBS chose Strikeforce, I can’t help you, hombre. You’re coming off as uninformed..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, what do you think will protect this sport in the next 100 years or 1000?
some points needs to be brushed off with resilience, if you didn’t find that laughable you have no sense of humor.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You cut up his whole post
You can’t punch eight people in the face and tell me how the one deserved it.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you didn’t want to debate no more?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You so good!
I don’t want to argue trending with you anymore. I’ve said what I have to say.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, great :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if it was Gary “Jerry” Millen?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't work
Vadim would probably be around there somewhere..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t say that only one deserved it, just that one did.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh by investing money he is growing MMA too. Not only does it aloow the UFC to host shows but a local MMA scene can start and stop the underground fighting.
the UFC does not have a network deal because they dont want their product being conrtoled by anyone. The UFC is has been grown from the groud up by dana and company and now they want their product to be introduced to the masses their way and not how CBS or any one else would like. SF took the deal because they need it if they are to have any hopes of growing while the UFC are doing fine without it and are quite comfortable without a network deal.
by Riley_96 on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, He doesnt seem to understand how sanctioning protects this sport…
He doesnt seem to realize that the CBS deal was first offered to Zuffa.
He doesnt seem to understand that Zuffa rarely makes stupid business decisions… and signing the CBS deal would be a monumentally stupid business deciison.
He also doesnt realize that if CBS succeeds that it also means the other networks will want in on the action which means zuffa will have more leverage.
Since he doesnt understand this and seems to be confused all he can do is laugh it off.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, I’m so dumb. you do know I drink my own urine right?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only after thinking it was warm lemonade that was a bit on the tangy side…..
by BNTHIS on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you have been broken… you are now resorting to silliness.
This is where you just stop typing and move on to your next discussion.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but I don’t wanna…
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t make me turn this car around!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are we there yet?
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott coker seems like such a stand up guy whos doing his best to piece together a roster of great fighers to grow his company, he has none of the qualities of the elitexc crew who seemed like douchebag boxing promoters out for the next big payday
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're RIGHT
He’s the reason the UFC hasn’t succumed to a terrible network deal in which the network controls all production and reaps the profits. Thanks Dana!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck that
I thank Spike! thanks Spike! :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't like Manswers??
I sensed sarcasm.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
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by Blackout612 on Nov 11, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I really am thankful to Spike :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Risk Reward
Personally, Strikeforce will go the same way that EliteXC did. The way of the Dodo on mainstream TV. The commentary was boring, the fights were lame (minus Rogers Fedor) and the whole 1990 runway model is soooo WWE. To say that UFC wanting its own commentators is WWE is ludicrous. They know how much of a difference it makes to the experience of the fight which was evident when I was watching the Strikeforce fight. My wife who knows nothing about fighting and gets dragged to all the bars for UFC fights was like … “Where’s Joe Rogan? I like that guy? Did UFC fire him? He is the only person I listen to when I watch. This is boring. Also, why are they using fireworks? That is so cheesy. Is this like that fake fighting that white trash people watch?”
Personally, I think Dana is right to keep building his brand and his business and establish something separate from boxing with overpaid fighters who no one cares about. The fighters themselves may be upset because they can go to these lesser groups and make more money in the short term, but they will be a part of a dead brand. Hendo is not worth what he is asking, he could not headline a fight, he is a great fighter, but doesn’t have star power. Say what you will, but Bisping sold that fight. Hendo won it.
by b_radical on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the fights were lame (minus Rogers Fedor)
Good lord, you really thought Mousasi/Sokoudjou was “lame”?
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno hendo vs mousasi sounds like it could sell some tix
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand whats so hard for dana to just say.. fedor is a great fighter we would love to have him as a UFC fighter to test his skills against our best but his demands outweight what he wants to be paid. And as for strikeforce, it looks like they have quite a long way to go to meet the high standards that the UFC has built the company on which is why we have avoided networks deals.
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
where's the f-bomb? :(
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See thats the problem the way dana talks makes it very hard to take anything he has to say seriously. When he was cheering like a school girl in the TUF fight with matt and scott junk(worst fight ive probably ever seen), that made me realize dana will say and do anything for ratings
by pandaboy99 on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Dana wants Fedor so he can say UFC has all the best fighters in each division. And I think Fedor thinks that Dana just wants him to look bad, lose, and get kicked out of the UFC. Crazy, I know. Fedor always mentions how they don’t like that UFC can terminate their contracts whenever they want.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor always mentions how they don’t like that UFC can terminate their contracts whenever they want.
I don’t like the fact that my employer can terminate me with no cause whenever they want (Employment At Will) either but thems the breaks kid.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YO!
BE when are the boys at SB Nation going to put an edit button for comments?? I actually WORK in web development and know it AIN’T THAT HARD! GEEZ!
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do what?
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Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blockquote fail on my part
You said:
Fedor always mentions how they don’t like that UFC can terminate their contracts whenever they want.
My reply:
I don’t like the fact that my employer can terminate me with no cause whenever they want (Employment At Will) either but thems the breaks kid.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the problem with edits though is that people can say one thing, and if they are called out for it, change it and say they never said it :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^This
logic would be deleting all his crap. lmao
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, so true about logic (sorry logic :P)
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can make it
So that the post can only be edited within a certain time period. But point taken.
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by funnytiger on Nov 11, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad that Dana is proclaiming in public, once again, that no one cares about Fedor. Am I the only one that sees a little bit of irony in that?
by Dooda on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
5.46 Million really has Dana steaming right now. Strikeforce is legit and he knows it. They’re getting a game with one of the most popular UFC fighters on there too. Just waiting for the hate on the game.
Face it, Strikeforce (for now) has their MUST SEE fighter. Dana’s pissed! Its not all bad for Dana though. Mayhem didn’t win. That would have been another big draw for them. He’s still a draw but he would have gone to another level. A Mayhem title fight could’ve been a main event for them.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce has a game?
I am confused, Strikeforce has the UFC must see fighter? Are you saying that if a fighter loses (Mayhem) he stops being a draw? So Gina isn’t a draw anymore?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mas pUto que la chingada. lol
- EA Sports MMA will feature Strikeforce as their main promotion.
- Strikeforce has their own must see fighter in Fedor.
- Mayhem’s already a draw. He lost but will remain a draw. He would’ve gotten to a higher level as champ.
- I didn’t say anything about Gina.
kthxbai
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only point of this whole topic that has legs to stand on is..
The UFC is where they are now.. without ever having a network TV deal. They have outgunned every single MMA promotion on the face of the earth without a network TV deal.
Do they need one ?? Nope.. Do we want them to have one ?? Yup.. And why wouldn’t we ?? It means we get more “free” fights instead of more PPV’s..
Network TV is never going to make or break anything related to MMA. If that were the case, then EliteXC would have surpassed the UFC a few years ago and it would have caught on by now..
MMA by brand is UFC. Those are the facts.
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
They have outgunned every single MMA promotion on the face of the earth without a network TV deal.
Slowdown, homie. In this day and age Spike is almost as good as network TV. They weren’t anywhere until Spike. Going out of business actually. I bet a high percentage of the people that have Spike are the key demo for MMA. It’s not that hard to understand.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually spike wasnt anywhere without the UFC… spike was going to close up shop after they lost the wwe. Nobody gave a shit about spike.
UFC created a juggernaut in the desert. Your kids will read about it in business schools across the country.
by mmalogic on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one hand washes the other, they both helped each other out, cut one of them out during those first TUF days and you’d have neither.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just as mmalogic pointed out..
The UFC gave Spike the ability to get off life support..
Spike is what thrives the UFC’s brand. I agree. But that’s not network TV. And they built each other up. The UFC “paid” for the first season of TUF and all the production that came along with it out of their pocket..
Spike was the only one’s “willing” to “let” the UFC pay for airtime like that.. No one else wanted a thing to do with it. It worked out in favor of both parties..
Spike is better than Network TV (for MMA purposes) IMO. It has a direct market it caters to. There is no confusion when tuning into Spike as to what you’re getting or going to get. The UFC has a product that is established and Spike has a format that the viewers are accustomed to.
My point was that the war of words between UFC, SF, Dana, Coker, Millen, etc.. Is really quite pointless to argue over. The UFC is not going anywhere. They dominate the market share. Again it’s relatively easy to pull decent numbers on the first go round. EliteXC did great on their first one.. bombed on the second. Never made it back on the rest. The XFL blew everything away on their first broadcast.. bombed shortly there after.. See what I’m getting at ?? We need not worry about where the UFC will be in the next 3-5 years.. The same can’t be said for any promotion outside that name…
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of things (but I agree with your first three paragraphs)
Spike is better than Network TV (for MMA purposes) IMO.
I don’t agree with this because a network tv station will reach a lot more people than a cable channel.
My point was that the war of words between UFC, SF, Dana, Coker, Millen
See, it’s not a war, it’s a preemptive attack. The attacker being the UFC (via Dana) on SF and Coker, Millen is a prick though :P
Again it’s relatively easy to pull decent numbers on the first go round. EliteXC did great on their first one
The only reason EXC did great first was because of Kimbo, and Gina too (when she fought). They didn’t have any names under their organization, and relied more on Kimbo. SF is doing good on CBS without Kimbo.
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because network TV has the “ability” to reach a broader audience, doesn’t make it that much better than a cable station geared directly to the product itself. Spike is built around the UFC at this point.
No network TV has surpassed a number to make that claim relevant at this point. Football and Baseball are far more popular to the avearge viewer and they don’t even pull numbers that surpass these ratings unless it has the heading “Dallas Cowboys” on the time slot..
Right now I think it’s safe to assume that the average rating for an MMA event on TV (outside PPV) is about a 2.5-2.8.. The UFC pulls those ratings pretty consistently.. A 3.0 is the highest rating MMA has ever got on TV.
I would rather stay with a cable franchise that gears it’s production around the sporting product on a consistent basis rather than a network TV station that does 1 off events..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone can say how or what SF on CBS is doing. It’s to early to make that clear distinct call.
We need more substance and time to better evaluate that claim. As I pointed out. I think you’re at a cap with MMA and TV ratings. It’s been on TV for the past couple years. It’s competitive in the age demographic it’s targeting. But the only way it has a shot to surpass the state it’s in now is by the UFC branching out on network TV and putting up a PPV draw like a Lensar and seeing how it fairs on the free market..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Orcus said.
one hand washes the other, they both helped each other out,
So they helped each other out. My point that UFC wouldn’t be where it is without Spike still stands however you try to spin it.
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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus that's alot of text..
Summary anyone?
by MSEMCEE on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
basically
Dana white says Fuck SF. Nothing new :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha great Thanks orcus
Guess I didn’t miss much then :)
by MSEMCEE on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
officer: not much to see here people, move along :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 11, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
- The UFC is the only way to go.
- Fedor had a lot of exposure, but is questionably still not a draw yet.
- Google trends are the shit.
- Some people spend way too much time to spend on blogs at work (including myself cause I read most of this).
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pud333 – awesome recap. I agree, I spend way too much time on this at work.
by b_radical on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep, this site is like crack...
…you know if I knew anything about illicit drugs. Which I don’t. Okay, there was that one time, and she was really hot, and, um. BROCKLESNAR SMASH FEDOR!
Seriously though, I spend way too much time on this site at work. I will make one comment about this place. Despite how much I love it, it is still the internet and there will always be that guy or those guys that once their point is refuted, resort to the “who cares, you’re just some guy on the internet so fuck you.” It boggles my mind when I see someone say they don’t take anything serious here yet continue making comment, after comment, after comment. There are degrees of seriousness and I think obviously it has to be somewhat serious or you’d just stop.
Dana being Dana is getting so old from multiple perspectives. On his part, he never says anything unxepected. He curses and bad mouths competition. It’s what he does. Defenders defender, detractors scream how he’s killing the sport and next thing you know we’re at over 200 comments.
by black dragon on Nov 11, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah but if we didn’t have defenders and detractors there would be no comments to read. It would be a boring place if everyone thought alike :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 11, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It would be boring and we do need two sides to an argument, but the fun of debate gets defenestrated when arguments based on thought and analysis dissolve to “you’re an idiot” or “anything this guy does is horriblegreat” That’s more than defending or detracting, that’s just arguing for the sake of argument. This site is much better about that than others, which is why I joined and enjoy letting work pile up on my desk so I can read about your love for Shogun (and Brazilian fighters in general) or any other guy on here that doesn’t seem to just “whatever, you’re stupid anyway” when they comment.
by black dragon on Nov 13, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, thanks :P I think I have to acknowledge that sometimes I’m not fair and may sound a bit like a troll from now and then, but I really do try to keep things clean (even when they get ugly). It takes two to have a good and clean conversation, once one goes negative the conversation is lost and people that are not in the debate may have a hard time understanding who’s the fool and who’s keeping it cool (thanks 2pac for the great words). So I agree completely with you, and I know that I’m the bad guy sometimes, but I try to be the good guy always, it’s just that I go apeshit too :P
I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.
by orcus on Nov 13, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’d replace the commentary team? I hope the UFC keeps doing their own thing then.
Talk about backwards… they’d replace Goldie and Rogan, but will work with Jerry Millen .
by brad23 on Nov 11, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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