Mega Japan NYE Show In Talks Between DREAM/FEG and Sengoku? Spike TV Ratings Out For UFC's 11/7 CBS Counterprogram, Fedor Only Out 4-6 Weeks
Dave Meltzer Releases Spike TV Ratings for Strikeforce Counter Program
Well, we have been waiting for a Spike TV release for their ratings on their Strikeforce counter programming efforts this past Saturday. Via MMAConvert and Dave Meltzer:
Dave Meltzer has Spike’s counter-programming ratings from Saturday. No boastful press releases this time because they weren’t that good.
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UFC’s attempt at counterprogramming the opposition didn’t prove as successful as in the past. UFC has always put on replays of past major pay-per-view events against the prior CBS shows, usually doing a 1.2 rating, considered very strong for Spike TV for using old footage. But they were down 25 percent from usual, doing a 0.9 rating and 1.2 million viewers with a custom-made show featuring the television debuts of four recent never-before-seen pay-per-view main event matches.
Dana Comments On Strikeforce CBS Ratings:
UFC president Dana White, predictably, wasn’t impressed with Saturday night’s card.
"CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about," said Dana White. "Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn’t make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor."
In which Scott Coker replied:
"You’d think everyone [in the industry] would be happy because it’s great for the industry for everyone to be doing well," responded Coker.
WKR gives their point of view on the matter:
Over a million viewers for a cable replay package on Saturday night is nothing to scoff at but these numbers are significantly down from the UFC's other counter broadcasts.
The UFC previously countered two Strikeforce cards with replays of UFC 94 and a partial replay of UFC 100. The UFC 94 replay did 1.9 million viewers while UFC 100 drew 2 million viewers. Spike and Zuffa respectively lost 36% and 40% of their previous counter broadcast audience. Couple that with the CBS' ratings and it appears clear that the UFC came up short in their attempt to siphon off viewers.
Also, WKR has some issues with the Junkie's title "Spike TV's "UFC Main Events" draws 2.14 million viewers over two airings." While factual it doesn't accurately reflect the ratings for what Spike and Zuffa were attempting to do: draw viewers away from CBS and Strikeforce. In that regards only 1.2 million viewers tuned in for the direct counter to CBS.
Fedor Looking To Fight During First Quarter of 2010
We get an update from Sherdog regarding Fedor's injuries he sustained against Brett Rogers on Saturday.
Fedor Emelianenko’s injuries may not keep the top-ranked fighter on the sidelines for as long as initially expected.
The Russian heavyweight underwent a successful surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles to correct a dislocated thumb in his left hand and will have a half cast removed in 4-6 weeks, Emelianenko and his M-1 Global management team told Sherdog.com during an exclusive video interview conducted only a few hours following the procedure.Emelianenko said he planned to return to training, sans striking, upon his return to Russia later this week. M-1 officials said Emelianenko could headline his second co-promoted Strikeforce card in the first quarter of 2010.
Maroes Coenen vs Cyborg Santos Title Bout Set For Jan 30th in Miami
Via MMAWeekly, we receive word that Cyborg is expected to make her 145 lb title defense on Strikeforce's January event from Miami:
It now looks like she’ll get the title shot against Strikeforce 145-pound women’s champion Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos that was originally scheduled for Fedor vs. Rogers. Santos had to withdraw from the event due to an injury suffered in a grappling tournament in September.
The two are now expected to meet on Jan. 30 in Miami.
Strikeforce Evolution December Event Taking Shape
STRIKEFORCE: DECEMBER 19, 2009
HP Pavilion in San Jose, California
- Josh Thomson (16-2) vs. Gilbert Melendez (16-2) (LW Ttitle Unification Bout)*
- Cung Le (6-0) vs. Scott Smith (16-6)
- Matt Lindland (21-6) vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (10-2)
- Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal (5-0) vs. TBA
- Robbie Lawler (18-5) vs. TBA
- Scott Lighty (5-0) vs. Antwain Britt (9-3)
Rumored: Nick Diaz (20-7), Jay Hieron (18-4), Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro (20-3), Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos (16-13), Benji Radach (19-5), Marius Zaromskis (13-3), Andre Galvao (3-1).
* Pending on Josh Thomson's health.
Mega NYE Show In Talks Between SRC (Sengoku) and DREAM/FEG
From NightmareOfBattle, we get some interesting news about what is going on in Japan regarding the NYE shows:
WVR, RE (one half of DREAM), and FEG (the other half) are currently discussing a possible merger for NYE (listen to latest Breen radio show for more).
The WVR PR said a couple of weeks ago that there would be a big press conference concerning their NYE event last week, where they would probably announce some kind of TV deal, it never happened. The PR then said after sengoku 11 that getting a TV deal with the state of MMA in Japan right now is chaos.
Again, these talks have happened before and nothing has been materialized, but it seems pretty close now that SRC is struggling to get a good TV deal to showcase their mega bout between Ishii and Yoshida.
They haven't been able to land a deal even with Ishii vs Yoshida, so now all three companies are discussing what would be best for NYE (you might think that they dislike each other but everyone in Japanese MMA have some connection to each other and they are in the same business).
Neither have announced any fights yet despite saying that they would. So don't be surprised if a big joint press conference happens one of these days. It could probably easily change as well.
There were talks last year about a joint event as well but it never happened (this year it seems to be closer though).
Update from Josh Gross:
Also, just got wind that Dream and Sengoku will likely join forces for one NYE card. So no competing MMA cards Dec. 31 in Japan.
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when i read the title, and the Author, I knew the ratings already sucked even before i clicked the link...
haha :P
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 3:54 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I wouldn’t have posted it if someone else already had, but, I guess everyone is relaxing right now.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha. i know.
I’m just busting your balls. haha. :)
Everyone’s asleep. and i’m bored. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone...
Some of us are writing papers/procrastinating…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 11, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one else wants to post bad stuff about Zuffa. Good on ya man. Rec’d.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
False. Most people post new and Sup is absolutely clamoring to post the anti-zuffa message. In some cases it was already reported on BE and he just includes it in a massive update about all sorts of crap, which annoys the hell of of me. Also, if I call him out on anything, he edits the post and then claims I was wrong. Ratings on a rerun is not a headline, but it could be a foot note in the Strikeforce ratings story. How its related to a Coenen Cyborg fight is a puzzler.
by szucconi on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's also on the front page now you know. :)
supremacy posted this after midnight pacific time, and most staff members are from the east coast..
also, i’d like you to give one example of where BE refused, or avoided to post bad stuff about zuffa. jeez guys, taking sides on these promotion vs promotion “wars” is kinda getting old.. can’t we love all MMA?
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Stop all this beef and just support Brandon Vera!
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
by that news about fedor, it would still be on the right timing to do what i want.. (skip Werdum, and unleash the Megareem!)
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 3:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Megareem said he would be ready by March. That’s when Fedor would be ready and when CBS may do a second show. =)
I am mixed about this though. I think Overeem needs a fight to get acquainted with the US audience though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
flabby rogers did well.
he’s relatively unknown too, except for the press conference squabble with kimbo that people probably forgot about..
they should just make Overeem flex a lot with no shirt on during trailers, and he’ll be fine. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rogers had fought on Showtime and CBS before though. He was also talking smack to Kimbo for a while. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. That's what I said. :)
He’s fought, but his most famous moment was criticizing kimbo..I doubt the casuals remember him though. They just did a good job of marketing the Fedor Rogers fight and it got people to tune in..
I think they can do much much better with the overeem fight. Especially since it’s fedor’s 2nd CBS fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They will have an easier time with Fedor now that they have footage and a background on him, but, they have to start from scratch with Overeem. That will be interesting to see.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. it will. :)
they still have clips of skinny Overeem.. maybe they’d want to show it so that they can show the new fans how much more of a beast he is now..
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They can probably only use clips of DREAM/K-1 fights, which are pretty good, but I think he was bulked up already. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're allowed to use those footages, then it'll be much much easier to market.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they will. They can probably use Golden Glory footage as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That guy
is a brick shithouse. No joke
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 12, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Even possibly two fights. I believe the effect that Fedor had on Average Joe’s psyche is being largely ignored around the MMA community. His name is now known to millions, his accolades were revealed and the impression that “what was witnessed on Saturday night was truly a profound moment in MMA” seemed universally received. Fedor’s star is now rising and it is rising fast.
Meanwhile, Ubereem is virtually unknown. But his run in the past few years is nothing short of remarkable and if the right footage can be obtained, he’s got a highlight reel that would impress the most oblivious of onlookers. His chiseled physique and good looks along with the equally underrated “Best striker in mixed martial arts” title make him a goldmine of marketability, especially to Average Joe. A few months, perhaps even 6, to exploit these features can build momentum the likes of which MMA has never seen.
I firmly believe Fedor’s 2nd CBS appearance will get more ESPN and CNN attention and the ratings will be right up there with Kimbo Slice…perhaps even higher than Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo. Couple that with a proper buildup and his THIRD network television starring role will be enormous….gigantic…collossal…it’s too difficult to predict HOW big it would be, but i don’t think there’s any doubt that it would shatter Kimbo’s audience size.
by bonez2799 on Nov 11, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They dont have alot of tape on Overeen but they can say he fought chuck and linking him with chuck cant hurt. He actually was doing well against chuck too
by Riley_96 on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
They are free to use Golden Glory and DREAM/K-1 footage, I am sure.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That Fedor picture is fuckin rad.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Nov 11, 2009 4:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
All though on a closer inspection it might be an add for Wilson sport watches.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I’ll be so pumped if Marius can make the Dec. show. Raging Demon!
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by Johpin on Nov 11, 2009 5:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think Strikeforce is going to keep rolling and have really really solid shows all the way until their seconds CBS show. By then, Fedor, Overeem, and a few others should be available.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got a feeling jake shields will be left out this time
by Riley_96 on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, out of being a co-main event and main event, probably. Who wouldn’t want to watch a Marius, Hieron, Galvao, or Jacare fight though? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
How I wish I was 6’5" and 265lbs.
Look at Megareem – he’s a beast.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he's only 250+..
but probably has a lot more muscle weight than Rogers.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t help you with the 6’5" but I could tell you a fairly easy way to build all that lean muscle in a short amount of time.
by ufc4 on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
horse meat diet?
I think Luke also wants to know how to do that. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
packing on the muscle isn’t the hard part. It’s then getting the fat off that comes with the mass building diet. I put on a good 10 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat last winter, did a program called 5×5 stronglift, but man, I just only recently got that excess fat off. It’s extremely difficult to maintain muscle and lose fat without using fat burners and whatnot, i’ll tell you.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Scott Smith
Cung Le is a nightmare matchup for him.
That fight is going to be a horrific one-sided beatdown. Smith is your run-of-the-mill brawler with a solid chin and huge power, but Le is so far ahead of him technically I doubt Scott will land much of anything. Also, Smith’s propensity for leaving his body WIDE open is tailor made for Le’s kick-happy style.
I won’t be surprised if this one ends with a Rutten-style liver kick.
by Steve4192 on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol
It wouldn’t be a Scott Smith fight if he didn’t take a pounding to his body.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We Can Only Hope...
But hey, Scott Smith fights are always exciting, and so are Cung’s, so it looks good to me.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cung Le via body shot KO lol. Smith has a problem with thoes or something
by johnnychimpo on Nov 11, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the next card going to be on CBS???? I realy hope so because I don’t have sucky Showtime lol
by johnnychimpo on Nov 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bunch Of Updates:
Hope you guys like.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I reallyyyyyyy hope they merge, and be like one big Japan MMA company..
but i doubt it happens.. but maybe even for one show? maybe?
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 11, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely could do a show for NYE, its been done before. Plus, I think the Japanese MMA promoters know that they will need each other’s help at some point to bring the Japanese MMA scene to what it was before.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Update From Josh Gross:
SI_JoshGross: just got wind that Dream and Sengoku will likely join forces for one NYE card. So no competing MMA cards Dec. 31 in Japan.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 11, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty cool, especially if we got some inter-promotional matchups.
by JRN on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coker has said Diaz will fight in early 2010.
by Lynchman on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coker also said Diaz would fight August 15th as well…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 12, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think we know to take these statements with a grain of salt.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz should, rather than with a leaf of something else.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On another note looks like Cyborg gets another pretty face to beat on.
by Riley_96 on Nov 12, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Tokyo Sports, a hit or miss newspaper, reports about it today (picture above). They’re writing that the event including all three organizations will take place at the Saitama Super Arena. So the fights WVR had planned for Ariake Colosseum will take place in Saitama Super Arena instead and TBS will most likely broadcast them together with the FEG/RE (Dynamite!!) fights. There will probably be some mixed fights if it happens as well, Sanae Kikuta called out Kiyoshi Tamura not too long ago.
Apparently, the president of Don Quijote, WVR’s main sponsor, and FEG president Tanigawa have since October had numerous ultra secret meetings. They might have come to an agreement on November 6th.
Perhaps they agreed right before the Strikeforce event on CBS.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
OMG! OMG! OMG!! ZOMG!
A partnership b/w WVR and DREAM!!! How cool would that be? You’d have the best of both worlds. The greatest Japanese stars, freakshow fights, and great fresh blood/talented fighters to fill out the undercard. Kewl!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Nov 12, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
More like a firesale by Sengoku.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
All my sources in Japan tell me Sengoku is dead… and FEG is going to get a shot at taking assets from Sengoku so they can basically break even and get out of the business. The experiment is over.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My Japanese sources tell me that tentable rape and subway gropings are up.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My sources tell me that Scott Coker will have a huge impact in the Japanese MMA scene.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what the fuck can scott coker do in japan that the Japanese cant? Coker couldnt even make K-1 big in the US.
by mmalogic on Nov 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
No one has been able to make K-1 big in the US. He was able to get it on ESPN, host events stateside, and made it easier to reach masses though TV though. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 12, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Giving away your content for practically no monetary gain is not very difficult…
Giving away your content and letting the network re-brand it as “CBS saturday night fights” is even dumber.
by mmalogic on Nov 12, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
that sucks. WVR has a solid product going, and from what I’ve heard, they’ve been operating in the green as of late. Maybe it’s one of those ‘diamonds aren’t forever’ type things.
Because it seems like they haven’t been too extravagant with their spending, and that they’re more about the competition aspect. Which is a good model to follow. I wish WVR had access to the fighters and resources DREAM has at it’s disposal.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 12, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The last Sengoku did less than 4000. Too bad to see this happen, one less option for fighters.
by Lynchman on Nov 12, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs























