Dana White, Fedor Emelianenko and Sour Grapes
Jesse Holland of MMA Mania breaks from their usual "just the facts ma'am" mold and tears it up in an opinion piece about Fedor:
UFC President Dana White thinks Fedor Emelianenko is a fraud. A flabby relic from the mismanaged days of PRIDE that now hides behind the iron curtain, emerging only to fight hand-picked opponents that pose no threat to a self-proclaimed legacy.
In fact, White is so sure that the Russian heavyweight is at the bottom of the divisional rankings that he was willing to write him a blank check after Affliction MMA imploded under the weight of its own spending.
That makes sense.
Imagine how quickly the men in white coats would come to collect you if you walked onto the lot of an auto auction and told the yard barker: "I've got a check for five million dollars, please give me the biggest piece of shit on the lot."
Ever since the fall of PRIDE, there have been a lot of hard feelings between the UFC and Emelianenko's camp and I suspect a great deal of that has been "The Last Emperor's," ability to escape the Zuffa monopoly.
Men with White's power and ultimately White's greed are used to getting what they want. What do men in power want? Everything. Yet "those crazy Russians" have balked at every attempt the UFC has made to secure the WAMMA champion as their own.
And why wouldn't they, especially when M-1 can have a monopoly of their own? As long as Emelianenko keeps winning, Vadim and the Finkelchtein Express can continue cashing in at the expense of other promotions who need an established headliner.
I've written many times about Dana's love/hate/need/want obsession with Fedor. Just to show you how psychic I am, I wrote at the time of Fedor's decision to sign with Strikeforce:
From the moment the deals were being rumored, I believed that Dana White and Zuffa were so confident that Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor in the Russian's first UFC fight that they were willing to offer lots of terms (loosening the champion clause etc) that they would not have offered if Fedor was going to be facing Randy Couture, Cro-Cop and Big Nog in his three UFC fights.I think Fedor also is concerned that he might lose to Brock Lesnar -- and there's nothing wrong with that, Lesnar is a beast -- and even a 30% chance of Lesnar winning the first fight is a big risk for Fedor. Especially in his first fight in a cage with elbows on the ground. Fedor's history of getting cut in fights makes a cut stoppage from an elbow an exceedingly likely outcome.
In closing, here's the case for Strikeforce:
- No elbows on the ground.
- Willingness to co-promote. Remember, Fedor isn't just a client of M-1, he's supposedly a 20% owner -- that's twice the share Dana White has in the UFC. There's also a strong element of Russian nationalism. Fedor's never been seen on national television in Russia. Affliction had just scored a deal to do that. Also, don't forget how "business" is done in Russia. I don't want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I'd be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners.
- Strikeforce's roster of Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem is a very credible roster of foes for Fedor -- they are ranked #8, 10 and 14, respectively, on this month's USAT/SBN MMA rankings. And I'm sure each would enjoy the "Josh Barnett effect" of rising several notches upon the announcement of a signed fight with Fedor.
- Non-exclusivity. With Strikeforce, Fedor could quite possibly continue to fight in Japan on the odd New Year's Eve for DREAM, maybe even against Josh Barnett in a fight many still want to see.
Fedor has an enormous amount to lose if he makes the wrong step. Clearly his refusal to sign with the UFC and their aggressive PR will cost him the hearts of many MMA fans. At the same time, most of those fans will tune in to watch his next fight, regardless of opponent, especially if it's on CBS. If Strikeforce manages to book him against legitimate top 10 competition, he will only grow his appeal and be able to demand even more from the UFC if there is a next time.
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if dana DOES think fedor is a fraud, he would still benefit from paying thru the nose getting him into the UFC to prove his HWs are the true top fighters
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by judonerd on Nov 10, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This
Exactly. After seeing how well Brett Rogers did, Dana is more convinced than ever that Fedor is beatable. He wants Lesnar to be the man to do it.
But first, Lesnar has to beat mono.
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by thetakeover on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar by TKO rd 3.
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by pud333 on Nov 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure! After seeing Fedor ragdoll and KO a 270lb hw with one of the hardest shots I’ve ever seen, delivered with no wind-up and right on the button, I’d be licking my lips to pit my golden goose against him!
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by The_Gaijin on Nov 10, 2009 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Brett Rogers exceeded expectations but he did not do well. He was never at any point close to ending the fight. He had Fedor in danger for a split second. And Fedor threatened with an armbar then reversed him.
I think that cut reallllly sways people’s opinion of the fight.
by Discman2 on Nov 10, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fujita had Fedor in trouble as well. Shouldn’t people know by now he is beatable? Doesn’t stop him from beating his next victim. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From the moment the deals were being rumored, I believed that Dana White and Zuffa were so confident that Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor in the Russian’s first UFC fight that they were willing to offer lots of terms
White said. “It’s time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head.”
This is exactly what i was thinking as well. When it was Randy wanting Fedor the UFC wanted no part of it but with the freak of nature that is Brock Lesnar i think they like there chances
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by pitbull187 on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
White is just a limited person
I can’t think of a president of a big sport organization who acts like that, constantly like a five years old in crisis…. He is even worse than Mosley, and F1 got rid of him.
White just can’t admit he does not control everything and can’t have everything he wants. Just for that, it’s good that Fedor is out of the UFC. It gives MMA a big boost like we have seen with that last card.
On the article, I found it a little carricatural, especially the part on russians.
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’d probably tone that down if I had it to write over again.
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by Kid Nate on Nov 10, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You picked a great picture.
Where does it come from?
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw. Japanese get a great sense of humor.
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mosley survived everything, he left the FIA on his own and even hand picked his successor….
F1 didn’t really get rid of him, they wanted to, and it played into his “retiring” now, but he’s been bad for the sport for a long while now and nothing happened, and he is still with the FIA and again, his successor was hand picked by him, meaning he can be in his ear….
I just wish Bernie had “retired” with Mosley, then F1 could get back to being the sport it used to be (though I still watch every race and this season was very exciting, minus all the politics throughout the season)…
by Reaser16 on Nov 10, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you can say he survived. He had no choice and had to retire. He made himself look like a clown by claming F1 did not need Ferrari and even saying to them that they could go elsewhere and started to cry in the press when the rumor of a breakaway serie started.
Ferrari owned him and forced him to get rid of those ridiculous budget cap and change of rules. And jean Todd is primary a Ferrari guy.
He almost killed F1 too by thinking FIA was bigger than the manufacturer. Bernie is not as bad imo, even if I don’t like the way he is killing the circuits that has an history.
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys American?
Obviously you’re pretty into F-1 – but wondering if that’s just because you’re European or it’s because F-1 actually has a decent imprint in the US.
by rainmaker6 on Nov 11, 2009 5:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Mosley still seemed to have some strong negotiating power even in the dying days after he'd been exposed.
And for rainmaker, I’m English. Can’t speak for the others.
by Cunny on Nov 11, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
demand more?
didn’t they offer him like a gazillion dollars, an instant title shot, ability to do outside interest(sambo, commercials acting) as long as it didn’t interfere with his fight duties, the ability to wear all the M-1 propaganda he chose. it’s all about co-promotion, and zuffa is never going to do that. 1 point that is brought up alot is his ability to fight out side the org that he signs with, but he NEVER DOES that. he always fought for Pride soley when he was their champ, he only fought for Affliction when he was their champion, even though there were heavy rumors that he wanted to fight in japan at last years nye’s dream event. i can even remember him saying that he wanted to fight on nye, but Atencio said “no, he’s fighting in jan for us.” so i can’t see this as a valid sticking point when it comes to fedor and the ufc.
by bdw on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In fact
the gazillons dollars was the a point heavily disputed and contested by M1 who said that the offer was far less than the rumored 5 millions, which was never confirmed by the UFC.
We can assume that the UFC has thrown wrong numbers in the press to put pressure on Fedor’s camp, and they did not like that at all. That was a very basic manipulation.
They are trying the same thing with Hendo.
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they offered him the best deal ever offered to ma non-zuffa fighter, i’m convinced of that. i forgot to add that they were also offering him a % of the ppv with brock, which surely would have hit 2 mil. we’ll never know to the full extent HOW much was actually offerd up front, and or based on performance.
by bdw on Nov 10, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That"s what they said.
White also said that Hendo is asking for the biggest pay ever in the UFC, which is a ridiculous lie
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure the deal they offerred Fedor could not be matched by anyone, in terms of shear volume of money. Fedor and M-1 want co-promotion. They’ll never get that from the UFC. At least not while the UFC is the dominant MMA org in the world. M-1 kept pushing the goal posts back and the UFC gave them everything they wanted, except co-promotion.
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by pud333 on Nov 10, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they offered him the best deal ever offered to ma non-zuffa fighter, i’m convinced of that.
What was it that convinced you of that?
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Zuffa deal was so bad and what Strikeforce was offering was so good that Tito, Randy and Brock chose to accept a lesser deal.
Or is it because they dont have management who wants to structure things where they get around 50% of the money instead of the 15% a manager is supposed to get?
by mmalogic on Nov 10, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tito was offered 5 contracts, remember? UFC, Affliction, EliteXC, Strikeforce and UFC again.
Randy was sued by the UFC trying to get out of his contract before giving up.
Brock was given a great 1st deal.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I would love to see Brock v. Fedor, I think competition between multiple fight leagues is good for the sport, and extremely good for the fighters themselves. These guys put their health on the line constantly, drop their day jobs, and organize a training team – all for the slight chance they might hit it big and get a title. Its still a joke that even though UFC has become more popuular (PPV-wise) than boxing, the top boxers make millions more than the top MMA fighters. Competition between organizations will increase payer salaries – and I am all for that.
by neyvit on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would rather the lower guys get paid more than the top guys make boxing money.
a couple of million per year (at least) for the top guys is certainly enough to secure their financial freedom until the sport is big enough to justify the larger paydays.
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by Well Read Idiot on Nov 11, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White had better hope that Brock Lesnar doesn’t look vulnerable AT ALL when he faces Carwin…
by madiq on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure when looking vulnerable became criteria for measuring top fighters? It plays a part at times but for the most part all top ranked fighters have visible weaknesses.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn’t matter one bit because Dana would just replace Brock with Shane.
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by dedstrk316 on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shane isn’t nearly as marketable as Brock. Dana would find a way to give Brock the belt again.
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock would fight a name with poor TDD, smother, then get Couture’d into another title shot. Or just reBrock’d. Whatever.
by pdl on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…a ladder match?…
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by WeaponElDeem on Nov 11, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Would Sable be banned from ringside? I mean, cageside?
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by mythbuster on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kid Nate,
I think all the speculation concerning Fedor’s willingness to face Brock Lesnar because ________ is just that, speculation. Fortunately for Fedor, he’s very much in control of his career, something Randy Couture and Tito Ortiz attempted to fight for.
Dana White said prior to the Rogers-Fedor fight, that Fedor could very well get knocked out by Brett Rogers. Talk about the ultimate co-sign for Rogers.
As much as I would like to see Fedor in the UFC. I’m actually glad the he and other fighters have the opportunity to fight in America (on free TV) and overseas in Japan.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Fedor does not control any aspect of his career. M1 does.
by Riney on Nov 10, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But Fedor owns part of M-1
So he does control it. But Vadim controls M-1, so he doesn’t. But Fedor makes the decisions about his own career, so he does. But 90% of the money goes to M-1, so he doesn’t. But…..
by ufc4 on Nov 10, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You all seem to forget that additionally to the ownership of M-1 Global, Fedor also has a separate fighting contract with the organization. That’s the contract, which pays him his money (millions) and which defines what kind of power each party has in deciding the place of the events and the names of the opponents.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what the contract says you have to admit Finkie has a conflict of interest owning M-1 and managing Fedor at the same time.
by ufc4 on Nov 10, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It really depends on the point of view. And I am not trying to be protective or anything – I really think each point of view has its valid points.
Conflict of interest: Vadim is Fedor’s manager and at the same time the owner of the company Fedor signed a contract with.
No conflict of interest: Fedor has both the stake in the company and a contract with it. If Fedor would have only a contract – this would leave some room for abuse. Having only a stake in a company – this would have a lot of room for abuse. But since he has both, it’s actually very safe:
- It’s like he has a minimum payroll (contract) and a percentage of the profit. So actually it’s pretty much the same system Randy/Lesnar have with the UFC with their “contract + percentage of PPV” agreements.
- There is a name for it – it’s called "Principal-agent problem or agency dilemma treats the difficulties that arise under conditions of incomplete and asymmetric information when a principal hires an agent, such as the problem that the two may not have the same interests, while the principal is, presumably, hiring the agent to pursue the interests of the former." Please, notice, that in this case the problem doesn’t exists because Vadim has the same kind of interest – to have more profit (the more Vadim gets, the more Fedor gets and vice versa).
- The exact same thing goes with Dana and the UFC. Yes, he can be blamed for abusing the system and having a conflict of interest, but not really because he has a share of the UFC. If DW is not to be blamed (and I think he should be not), then the same rules and principles should apply to Vadim’s situation as well.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where does that millions come from?
That millions comes from whatever org M1 is currently “co prmoting” with, and that’s the problem. Dana does want to give them half a PPV for 1 fighter, it just doesn’t make sense.
by Phildo on Nov 10, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s M-1’s problem where to get these millions. So far they have been fulfilling their contract agreement with Fedor, Mousasi and others, so everything is good.
The proposed a co-promotion for the UFC. Dana didn’t want it. OK, no big deal, M-1 found a better partner in Strikeforce. A pure business decision, that shouldn’t concern Dana anymore. He was given an opportunity to give his best proposal and his proposal was worse than that of the Strikeforce. That happens – there is no point in cursing in saying that M-1 is a bunch of thugs and that Strikefarce is stupid. Dana, you lost the bidding war – get over it already!
Dana didn’t want to organize the Fedor vs Lesnar fight, by loaning Fedor from M-1 Global. That’s fine. But I don’t understand two things:
1. Why everybody somehow think, that M-1 Global should have given Fedor to the UFC, and give M-1 a lot of shit for not doing so? M-1 Global has a contract with Fedor. It’s their best fighter. Why should they give their best fighter to another competing organization? There is no reason to do that, unless paid very well.
2. M-1 wanted to organize and Fedor vs Lesnar fight themselves and asked Dana to loan them Lesnar to make that fight happen. Dana didn’t want to do that either. Why nobody gives Dana any shit in return for ruining the possibility for the Fedor vs Lesnar fight everybody seem to want so badly? What is going on with all this one-sided shit-throwing?
M-1 Global could have helped UFC in other ways as well, like they did with the Affliction.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Reasoning like that won’t get you anywhere around here.
=)
With that said, nice to have you around here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t there some kind of saying, that went: “I may not succeed, but I get banned trying”? :))
If people would generally stop thinking that I am a M-1 nuthugger, simply based on my signature – I would consider that a big win. :)
Thanks mate!
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're very glad to have you here commenting
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by Kid Nate on Nov 10, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nate!
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about people who think you are an M-1 nuthugger because they have seen your website and your posting in the past (under the name ‘mixer’)? :p
BTW your website appears to be down at the moment.
by ilostmydog on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These people must be delusional, because I am not. :)
I know… :( It has been down for a long time now. I am revisiting the concept of the whole site… I decided to leave my signature unchanged, because it helps to effectively distinguish the shallow people who prefer to hastily label everybody (these are the people I don’t want to spend my time on) from thinking people who actually read carefully and process in case I have something useful to say (these are the people, I want to discuss things with; even if we disagree on some points).
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
2. M-1 wanted to organize and Fedor vs Lesnar fight themselves and asked Dana to loan them Lesnar to make that fight happen. Dana didn’t want to do that either. Why nobody gives Dana any shit in return for ruining the possibility for the Fedor vs Lesnar fight everybody seem to want so badly? What is going on with all this one-sided shit-throwing?
Very well said!

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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The onus is NEVER on the big dog to help the little dog.
by VegasBatman on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, and it’s actually very much to the point. The UFC/M-1 negotiations were never about making Fedor/Lesnar happen, they were financial negotiations between two companies with different goals. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to tar one organization by saying they were standing in the way of what the fans want.
Ultimately, both of them wanted to make the fight happen for bottom-line reasons. And both ultimately stood in the way of the fight we want, for entirely understandable reasons (not wanting to loan out their best fighter on anything but their own terms vs. not wanting to help the “little dog” because it wouldn’t make any business sense).
This is not to say that M-1 isn’t crooked, blah blah etc…
by JRN on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As for the crooked thing, M-1 not applying for a promoter’s liscense in the US is pretty damning to me. Oh those pesky background checks!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Did you know, that Affliction never had a promoter’s license? Does it make Affliction1 and Affliction2 event worse or Affliction itself crooked?
2. I know, it may be difficult for some to understand, but M-1 Global doesn’t work this way. It is a truly global company, which relies on local partners to co-promote events. There are some benefits (like not having to apply for licenses, no need to move a huge amount of equipment and personnel around, ability to organize events around the globe) and some disadvantages (the production quality varies – like we saw with Kansas city’s M-1 Global Breakthrough event, which had worse production than the majority of the M-1 Global Challenge events) to it.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So they’re like King of The Cage, who loans out the name to several different promoters?
by Captain7 on Nov 11, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I don’t know how King of The Cage works.
They are working together. And obviously each time each party’s contribution varies, because everybody (M-1 Global and the local promoter/promoters) bring the best they have to the table, and these things vary from promoter to promoter and from one location to another. And that’s what a co-promotion actually is all about!
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Which makes me wonder why people still think that Fedor should bend over for the UFC.
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Co-sign!
If Dana really wanted to make the best fights happen then we would have seen Shinya Aoki (or Hellboy) face BJ Penn. Cung Le versus Anderson Silva. I’m sure Strikeforce is willing to make those fights happen. The UFC??? Not so much. There are so many other great match-ups outside of Fedor versus the current HW flavor of the moment but I don’t see Dana White aggressively trying to make those fights happen unless the fighters are under the UFC banner.
Did Chuck Liddell fight in Pride? Yes.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is silly.
Dana makes more of “the best fights” happen than anyone else.
He is a fan of the sport, but his job is to promote the UFC, so of course he isn’t going to try to make anything happen unless it’s under his banner.
by Phildo on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Phildo, I totally agree with you on all points.
When most MMA fans speculate as to why Fedor is not in the UFC for a whole host of reasons and then Dana continually say that he’s just trying to put on the best fights, Fedor is scared, blah, blah, blah . . . it all sounds silly to me. He has a the best ticket in town, in the world but I think fans really need to simply accept that Fedor is just not in the UFC. He’s handling his business just like Jason Miller is handling his business outside of the UFC.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Chuck Liddell fight in Pride? Yes.
Did PRIDE then fuck over the UFC and not send Wanderlei? Yes.
Co-promotion is a stance of weakness, you only do it if you have to or if you don’t know any better, and in that case probably shouldn’t be in the promotion business.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he make a serious co-promotional effort that can work with Dream, Strikeforce or Bellator Fighting? Yes or No.
Did he continue to purse the BEST FIGHTS in MMA outside of his contracted fighters after he failed to make Silva vs. Liddell happen? No.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
M-1 Global could have helped UFC in other ways as well, like they did with the Affliction.
Like serving them lawsuits after taking millions in “consulting fees” that added up to squat?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not make any hasted conclusions, ok? It may very well be, that Affliction people tried to screw M-1 and that M-1 really has legit and good reasons to be upset and sue Affliction. The court will make a final decision – let’s wait for it.
M-1 helped Affliction with marketing, with production, gave them their commentating crew for the second event (they did a great job!), helped enormously outside of the US.
And while UFC would hardly need much help with their production, there are many other things M-1 Global could have helped with, especially with the TV deals outside of the US (the situation for the UFC was terrible just a year ago; now Lorenzo started working on a problem and made some progress, but the overall situation is still a big joke).
If DW is stupid enough not to listen to what M-1 Global had to offer – that’s OK. If DW listened and though that he could do better – that’s OK as well. But there is no need for “M-1 has nothing else to offer than Fedor” type of BS. It was M-1, not the UFC, who succeeded to get Putin and Berlusconi to attend their event…
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If m1 brings
so many great things to the table, why do the promoters keep folding that they get involved with? Why cant M1 just promote everything themselves and keep the whole pie? If the TV deals are so great why not just hire all the HW to fight Fedor and make stacks of cash?
I just don’t think M1 has much to offer the UFC that has any actual cash value outside of Fedor. This seems to be the point that gets people fired up.
How long has M1 been around? I have no clue. Has it been longer than Dana been the president of the UFC ?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your arguments is flawed on so many logical ways, that I don’t know where to start… Oh, let me use your same logic in reverse.
M-1 had been working with dozens of different promoters around the world. Most of them are still alive and well. The UFC in return, had made co-promotion only once – with Pride, which caused Pride to die. Therefore the organizations which decide to co-operate with the UFC have a 100% probability of failing . M-1 didn’t want to die, that’s why they decided not to work with the killing monster in the UFC and Dana.
I hope you fully appreciate this example. :)
I just don’t think M1 has much to offer the UFC that has any actual cash value outside of Fedor. This seems to be the point that gets people fired up.
I can understand this argument (I, myself, think that for example the production of the UFC can be hardly improved with M-1), but only if people would have at least some kind of idea, about what kind of person Vadim is and what M-1 can offer. But the majority is not – people are just reposting stupidity like “M-1 has nothing else but Fedor, Vadim is a crook and a mafia member, M-1 have done nothing in the MMA and are not known”. This saddens me quite a bit.
As an example, people don’t usually even know that M-1 has been since 1997 and they had a huge amount of recognizable fighters to fight for them at different points of time. Even Arlovski started his career in the M-1 cage.
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Fedor
didn’t sign with the UFC because M1 would have died. Thank you.
I still love Fedor, get him to send me a picture in a sweater eating icecream?
by Riney on Nov 11, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on which negotiation you are talking about. Two years ago, after the demise of Pride, only Dana’s stubbornness and inability to deal with people lead to a situation, when Fedor became a real free-agent. At that time Russian/European M-1 has been existing for 10 years already, but Vadim and Fedor would have closed the deal with the UFC nevertheless – M-1’s existence wasn’t a problem at all. But it was impossible to do, therefore they had to figure out other options. That’s when M-1 Global, Monte Cox, Affliction, Randy etc came into picture. Nothing of this would have happened if the UFC would make a deal with Fedor.
Now, two years later, M-1 Global started to function pretty well and there is obviously no desire to kill their own organization, the organization where Fedor is a part-owner. M-1 Global wouldn’t die without Fedor, but it would definitely be weaker; which means that the UFC had to give a good enough offer to cut M-1 Global out of the whole picture. And the offer wasn’t nearly as good (as Strikeforce’s, all things considered).
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, it’s not that simple. We all read what Bas Boon had to say about those guys. We’ve all read what Monte Cox had to say about those guys. The list goes on and on. Anytime M1 gets into a major promotion they sink it, it’s happened to many times to be a random coincidence.
You and I both know UFC sending fighters to PRIDE only to get shafted by PRIDE didn’t have anything to do with them shutting down.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and I both know UFC sending fighters to PRIDE only to get shafted by PRIDE didn’t have anything to do with them shutting down.
Yes. In the same way as Pride’s and Affliction’s death had nothing to do with M-1 or Vadim.
I wrote a lengthy comment down below, you should read it.
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only, it would appear they did. That’s the difference. ZUFFA sending fighters to PRIDE is not analogous with M1s relationship with Affliction/M1 Global/etc.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s very interesting! I would love to hear why you think that the Affliction demise is M-1 Global’s fault.
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure the million dollar “consulting fees” that Affliction paid M1 with absolutely no way of bringing in that type of revenue had absolutely nothing to do with the demise of Affliction.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Affliction pay some boxer 5 million dollars to sit in the seats?
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by mythbuster on Nov 11, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They spent lots of money stupidly, maybe their consultants could have given them some better advice.
by Phildo on Nov 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah ok
Just making sure that M1 gets the blame for everything everybody does.
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by mythbuster on Nov 11, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These “consulting fees” were probably a way to avoid taxes, so in a way, they HELPED Affliction to reduce their payments. :)
The logic: “Organization X collapsed because they didn’t have enough positive cashflow to continue” —> therefore —> “Every party that had anything financial to do with the organization is responsible” is very flawed. Especially because you use the modified version of the flawed logic and blame only one party (in M-1 Global).
Let’s blame fighters for taking huge purses, the Affliction employees for having their salaries, Oscar and Trump for taking money, HDNet for paying too little money to Affliction, PPV provider for providing the PPV, etc etc etc…
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by mikser on Nov 12, 2009 5:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Facts
We do not know the details or particulars of Fedor’s relationship with M-1.
We do not know the full details or particulars of the contracts submitted by the UFC to Fedor.
We do know Randy Couture felt like he wasn’t being treated with respect. He wanted the Fedor fight. blah, blah.
We do know Tito Ortiz feels he deserves more money and wants respect. blah, blah, blah
We do know Jon Fitch wasn’t happy with signing away the rights to his name and image in perpetuity to the UFC.
We do know (win or lose) Jason “Mayhem” Miller appears to be in full control of his career. He’s very happy with his situation and he’s not a UFC champion. He doesn’t have to worry about the UFC approving his sponsors or whether or not they can afford a $100,000 sponsorship fee.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Proof? fedor said the contrary.
Fedor controls his career, he already fired a manager and changed of team.
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hate Dana White, I like the UFC but i just hate Dana; an owner shouldn’t hold gruges, it’s propaganda that DW spreads and people just eat it up, and without the UFC they would be eating chesse sandwhichs 3 times a day and defacating in a paper bag
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by Krawchuck on Nov 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor’s never been seen on national television in Russia.
Wrong.
Also, don’t forget how “business” is done in Russia. I don’t want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I’d be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners.
This is such a BS, to be honest… You really believe this?..
Fedor didn’t have any problems leaving the Russian Top Team and the manager, who was using him.
You are right in one thing here: a lot of had to do with how the business is done in Russia. By trust and respect. So no wonder the Dana’s lies and rants about “crazy Russians” did not play well with Fedor.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think this guy knows what he is talking about regarding MMA in Russia. Isn’t it great to see Fedor on National TV? Hopefully he becomes a bigger star and MMA gets more recognition in Russia.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 10, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s great. The Roger’s fight got a lot of attention (it was shown on the Russia’s absolutely biggest channel, which has 98,8% population coverage)!
In some ways the MMA in Russia is very underdeveloped, but in others aspects – it’s much more developed than in the USA…
But there is a lot of room for improvement and gaining more recognition, of course.
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Channel One is huge. M-1 and Fedor are doing a great job in Russia getting it off the underground and more into a legit sport, specially with the M-1 Selection shows.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I really like the M-1 Global Challenge and M-1 Selection concept and shows – very entertaining!
Actually (in case somebody is interested), so far the most entertaining fight of the year I saw was a LHW match in M-1 Selection 2009, 5th edition. Aleksei Butorin (Rusfighters) vs Ibragim Halilov (Team Gorets from Dagestan, Russia). Just an awesome, awesome fight!
The thing I noticed is that Russian fighters may not have the best technique, but they simply do not have any fear and thus make almost any fight entertaining as hell!
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
Are you from Russia? It is always good to have the insights of someone with a true connection to a place when discussing things like how business is done there, etc.
I am hesitant, however, to agree with you regarding your assetion that business in Russia is done with ‘trust and respect’. There are too many precedents that say otherwise, which is why they now commonly come with a caveat emptor when dealing with them (especially in neighbouring countries such as Poland or Ukraine)
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by Well Read Idiot on Nov 11, 2009 4:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is that I have been born in the USSR/Russia and lived there for 12 years, after which I moved to Finland and have been living here for the majority of my life (except for one-year student exchange program in the USA).
All this puts me in almost perfect position to understand the cultural differences, while also staying as neutral and unbiased as humanly possible.
Obviously the trust and respect are not the only requirements – they simply play a much larger role than in the US (hence all the sauna evenings and vodka drinking). I could say a lot of things, but since here is no time nor place for a heated political and cultural discussion, please replace “Russia” with “Europe” (like in the EU). Vadim is a truly European-type of businessman.
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok dude, this “I know more about Russia and Europe” stuff has got to stop. I have spent a lot of time in Europe, done business with people in Europe and go to a Russian Orthodox Church where the majority of Russians 1st gen immigrants. What you continue to state as some sort of cultural fact is hardly the case. I’m sure it’s true in some cases, just like it’s true in America in some cases, but you’re painting with a ridiculously broad stroke.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry, I don’t understand you…
I never said that I knew more about Russia and Europe than anybody else. I only said, that I know more than the (vast?) majority of BE American users.
I mean, how many people here actually:
- know the history of M-1?
- believe that "don’t forget how “business” is done in Russia. I don’t want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I’d be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners" is true?
- know with whom Vadim is affiliated with, what kind of person he is and how he got his money?
Probable answers are:
- not many;
- a lot (and that’s a bad thing since it’s not true);
- maybe few at the most.
I will be very glad to hear, if you really understand these subjects. Are you?..
And that’s just some very simple things, which can be checked without leaving home; I won’t even go to the advanced stuff like visiting Russia, understanding the language, culture, humor, way to handle things… I understand these things – hence my confidence. For example, since I know the answer for the third question about how Vadim got his money, I was able to say, that he is an European type of businessman
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My comment wasn’t so much a direct statement to what was being discussed here and a general statement as the kind of one sided information you’ve presented in a couple of threads.
While I agree with you the people saying
“don’t forget how "business" is done in Russia. I don’t want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I’d be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners”are being silly your posts are getting just as ludicrous and heavy handed. That’s all.
As for Vadim, I think most BE readers think he is crooked because EVERY time we hear a former business parter talk about him it’s because he did some crooked shit.
Monte Cox
Bas Boon
Affliction
Alex E.
None of them have anything good to say about Vadim or M1 and it’s really a stretch to think that motley group have some sort of conspiracy built to bring Vadim down.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that some of my comments may seem like trolling or plain stupid. :) I assure you, they are not. They may seem that way, because my point of view is different from what you are typically used to see on BE (if my point of view would have been represented, I wouldn’t feel a need to restart my commenting-career here anyway). But all my points and opinions have solid argumentation behind them.
And I don’t even consider myself anti-UFC or pro-M-1. I try very hard to be objective. I hope that people will pay attention to what I have to say and that the labeling-stage will come only after you all see how good job I am doing (in staying objective).
There better arrive some real hardcore pro-M-1 fans, so I get some heat off my back and so you realize how freaking reasonable I truly am. :o)))
Please, provide a link for a Monte Cox material – I haven’t even heard about it. Because from what I know, Monte’s and M-1 Global’s ways separated in good spirit and everything is so well between the parties, that they even worked together: Monte provided some fighters when M-1 Global Challenge event was organized (in Kansas, AFAIK).
Bas Boon. Did you read Vadim’s reply? I know that the general feeling in the comment-section on BE was “It’s Vadim telling something – he must by lying because he simply is”. But I read his explanation, combined it with the information I had until that point, and concluded that there was nothing wrong in Vadim’s actions. Have you read Vadim’s reply?
Affliction. Once again, please provide some kind of link, where Affliction’s representatives say that Vadim/M-1 are crooked (or something to that nature). I haven’t heard about it. I have heard about M-1 Global suing Affliction though, but that (and remembering the Couture and many other “incidents”) actually make Affliction look like crooks, not the other way around. But we should wait for the additional information and court decision.
Aleks, yeah… That’s an excellent example of what I was talking about… I mean, only few of you realize, that Aleks is a total opposite of Fedor, that Aleks is completely full of shit, like he showed in his interviews (I mean, did killing a bear with a fork, ring anyone’s bell?) and with his action over the years. It’s best to say, that Aleks is a weird combination of Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock… And that is not a compliment (except for the part, that Aleks is very business and money oriented just like Tito; I guess it can be considered a good trait)!
Another cultural thing: being a manager in Russia is a totally different concept than being a manager in the USA. I mean, Vadim paid for Aleks’s living for who knows how many years, even though Aleks hardly fought anybody during that time (because of his sickness)…
So for Aleks to tell some shit about Vadim simply shows once again what kind of person Aleks really is. He probably did it to get attention, to suck up to Dana and to finally get himself in the UFC.
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not calling you a M1 shill or anything like that.
And here is the thing, you can try to explain away or chose to take Vadims word on all of these things. That’s your prerogative, I don’t think it’s consistent with reality. When you have THAT many people in the industry saying the SAME thing about you there MUST be merit to it.
As I said before, unless you think there is some conspiracy that all of these people can’t work with Vadim or M1 and back out of dealings or explain how crooked Vadim is there is no other reasonable explanation.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just warning and explaining in advance. :)
You still haven’t provided proof for Affliction and Monte Cox (who is still working with Vadim). Aleks is just being Aleks… So basically there is only one person who has beef with Vadim and who has – that’s Bas Boon. You may think whatever you want about Vadim’s explanation (btw. you haven’t answered if you read it), but in any case Boon’s one testimony can hardly be viewed as “THAT many people in the industry saying the SAME thing”.
Jerry Millen and Kimbo have been saying shit about Bas Rutten, so that MUST also be true.
And there has been so much shit about Dana, that the surely MUST be the crookiest mafioso of them all. :)
Haters will hate. But it is important to try to get to the source and to figure out what is going on. Listening to other peoples’ one-sided remarks is plain stupid, if they don’t have any details or explanation. It’s as stupid as taking Dana’s remarks at their face value: for example to think that Vadim has escaped from the mental hospital because he is “crazy Russian” after all…
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by mikser on Nov 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t find any of the Monte Cox stuff, it happened too long ago. So, throw that out if you like and we’ll just consider that Monte couldn’t work with them so he left M1 Global. What do you want Affliction to say? They payed out the ass to M1 and are now getting sued by them, it’s not because they get along good.
Yes I have read Vadims response and, as with most things, think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
So we’re left with Bas Boons remarks, which even with Vadims response looks very shady.
Monte Cox couldn’t work with them in a co-pomoting capacity.
Alex “being Alex” still doesn’t let them off the hook, I’m not even sure what that means other than you don’t seem to think much of his integrity.
Affliction couldn’t work with them and is gettnig sued by them.
They couldn’t put on shows they were supposed to because they couldn’t get a license.
Don Frye talks a lot of shit so who knows what the real story is there.
The list goes on and on man, “where there is smoke there is fire”.
by VegasBatman on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t seem to think much of his integrity
Yes, that’s exactly what I meant.
As for the rest, I think you are very unreasonable. That’s your right of course, but there is no point talking any more about it. We have to agree to disagree on this subject.
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by mikser on Nov 12, 2009 5:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im from Armenia wich used to be part of USSR
and ive been to Russia many times. i know how they act or re-act to Americans. (some still blame the demise of USSR on America) with all that said, Money is very important, but they will never bend over and take it, like lots of other “people” would. so IMO any Monopoly in any industry is BS, this is a free world and we need more top orgs. like UFC. and as far as for Fedor….anyone that has a TV or can afford a paper, (yes in the other side of the world people still read paper.) now who FEDOR is.
by OnewayTiket on Nov 10, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"twice the stake Dana has in the UFC"
yeah, but what you feel to mention, 20% of a piece of shit is still a piece of shit! fedor made more saturday than M-1 is worth, so the fact that he’s a 20% owner means nothing! Well it means he’s probably paying out more to them then if he dropped them and signed with legit managers or agents!
by kevjack115 on Nov 10, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo has a story
“Millen says the negotiations were a failure from the start:
“Dana is two-faced. One minute he says [Fedor] is the best fighter in the world and ‘I want him.’ Then [another] he’s the fat guy at the buffet.”
Millen, wasn’t in the meeting, but claims to have been on the phone to hear White’s pitch to Fedor:
“In the meeting, Dana says to Fedor ‘oh, you’re the best fighter in the world, we’d love to have you.’ And Fedor says to him ‘yeah, I hear and read on the internet what you have to say about me everyday.’ And then Dana’s like ’I’m just a promoter. I’m just trying to sell tickets. I just want to sell tickets.’ And Fedor said ’that’s what makes you and I different.’ [Fedor] just wants respect and to be treated fairly.” "
by JackO on Nov 10, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor admitted to never meeting Dana White or being involved in negotiations, so I call B.S.
but anything Millen says anyways is B.S.
Besides Fedor’s balls, what else does Gary/Jerry Millen have? NOTHING!!!!!
by kevjack115 on Nov 10, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor participated in the negotiations (via phone) this summer after the collapse of Affliction MMA (Fedor and whole M-1 were in the USA, and Dana with F. were in Europe). Millen was probably in the room listening. :)
So there is no need to call B.S. on this on. :)
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by mikser on Nov 10, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he just wants respect why do they keep saying they’ll do the fight if they get half?
If it’s all about respect and what Dana has said in the past is so bad and so fucked up negotiations, there should be no negotiation or no talk of fighting Brock, it should just be over.
by Phildo on Nov 10, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see if they give half they will break, which shows respect.
that’s why you need to be either a Russian or need to know how Russians think to understand what respect is.
by OnewayTiket on Nov 10, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Russians have the same definition of respect as Randy?
by Phildo on Nov 10, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Respect always means money in this context.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gary “Jerry” Millen claims a lot of stuff…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So does Dana “Dana” White…
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by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The auto auction analogy is ignorant, unless people are running around saying that this $5million piece of shit car is the greatest car ever assembled.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Nov 10, 2009 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be worth Zuffa’s trouble to prove that Fedor is not the greatest fighter that ever lived and that is all that Dana White wants.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Nov 10, 2009 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this would be slightly more appropriate:

by Chromium on Nov 10, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol “Fucking delicious”
That has made my day.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Nov 10, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IS the artist of the manga trying to say that Dana White fixes all the fights in the UFC?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Nov 11, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More like his fighters are his puppets and he can control them in anyway he seems fit.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally i’d just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
"I am impervious to all pain!" – Pat Smith, UFC 1, right before tapping out to a Shamrock heel hook.
by Pennywise on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Fitch agrees with that cartoon.
just not publically ;)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the jump from Dana bashing Fedor to him offering a huge deal to Fedor doesn’t show that he thinks Fedor is any good, it is just showing that he knows how big a deal financially the fight would be.
Personally, I think the cross promotion would be good if spun the right way. “M-1’s greatest fighter vs UFC’s greatest fighter”. It would be like Rocky IV. I will say that I don’t really think Lesnar is any bigger than Rogers and both have weak fighting skills, they just dominate by ferocity and size. Fedor outmatches Lesnar in skill all day long. It would be a big risk in my opinion to pit him against Lesnar, Lesnar’s head is definitely no bigger than Rogers.
by b_radical on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really think Lesnar is any bigger than Rogers and both have weak fighting skills, they just dominate by ferocity and size.
Lesnar has a very legit amateur wrestling pedigree, I can’t believe anyone could possibly dispute that. The guy is also an absolutely freakish athlete, much more than Brett Rogers is. Rogers probably hits harder but they’re both monstrously strong.
I don’t doubt Fedor has superior skills, but to call Lesnar’s fighting skills “weak” is a ridiculous stretch. Rogers actually isn’t terribly “weak” either, on a technical level. A good example of a huge, very aggressive fighter who moves well but has very limited skills is the 6’5" 275 lbs. James Thompson. The guy went balls out against Overeem and got choked out in 33 seconds. There aren’t any Top 20 fighters even at HW who don’t have very legit skills at this point. The sport is past that point.
by Chromium on Nov 10, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Bitch about Dana’s hypocrisy/promoter’s s shtick any more dude from MMA mania? If you actually believe the promoter’s shtick as what Dana really thinks I have swamp land in Florida for sale.
Zuffa is not upset about not having a “consulting” contract with M-1 Global that needs to be navigated in order to put on a show with Fedor. Promoter shtick is just that, shtick I’m sure Dana thinks highly of Fedor’s fighting ability but is happy he didn’t sign the contract M-1 offered.
by pwrcartel on Nov 10, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Co-promotion (in a sense, well at leas sharing fighters) with PRIDE I was fine with… not with M1 though lmao
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this has been brought up already,
but if Fedor does actually own part of M-1 then it would be in his best interest for them to seek deals that involve co-promoting. If M-1 can build a brand that makes a lot of money in the future then Fedor will be making money long after he retires.
If he signs his likeness rights over to the UFC, which we know they want thanks to John Fitch, who knows how he will be compensated after he retires.
At this point Fedor is looking out for Fedor and who can blame him, taking the long term investment and sacrificing a couple fans and naysayers versus taking the short term gain, seems like an obvious choice.
by racebannon on Nov 11, 2009 4:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dana White gave Chuck Liddell to the PRIDE GP in what was supposed to be a “fighter exchange” program. He got burned big time. Then they tried to set up a Wanderlei/Chuck fight in their primes, PRIDE let Wanderlei say he wanted to “fuck chuck” and be exposed to the UFC audience… then refused to let him fight and instead used the exposure to let him headline a PRIDE USA card and get knocked out by Dan Henderson on American soil and ruin the allure (and thus profits) of Chuck/Silva.
Can you honestly blame Dana for never wanting to do anything involving another organization ever again after getting burned twice?
by MesaDavey on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
People dunno that comic is published by ghetto magazine.It’s not legendary or famous.It’s only become famous on NA MMA forum.Because of visual hilariousness.
by shiroobi on Nov 11, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There needs to be more manga/comics about MMA, don’t you agree?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Nov 12, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why must every1 continue to say fedor is undefeated? he is 31? 30 something and 1. mark hunt beat him
by ddax on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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