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Strikeforce Still Trying to Fill Out November 7th Card

They've got Fedor Emelianenko vs Brett Rogers as a headliner, they've got Jake Shields vs Jason "Mayhem" Miller for their middleweight title, but beyond that the card features a lot of TBA.

One fighter who apparently won't be featured on the card is former UFC heavyweight champ Andrei Arlovski from This Week in MMA radio by way of MMA for Real):

...a fight involving Andrei was on the verge of being finalized, however anytime there's contract negotiations, there's always the chance things could stall or fall apart. This was one of those circumstances where things fell apart at the 12th hour, and a deal is not yet finalized. As of now, Arlovski still remains in discussions with one of the major promotions, however there will be no fight involving him in the Strikeforce promotion on November 7th, as has been rumored.

I just have to wonder if the UFC didn't dangle something attractive in front of Arlovski just to mess with Strikeforce. Who else could it be? Bellator? World Victory Road?

Speaking of World Victory Road, their top heavyweight contender Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva was rumored to be facing Fabricio Werdum on the Strikeforce card. But then it was likely off, per Tatame.com:

My manager called me asking if I agree to fight him, and I said yes and that I was ready, but I think this fight won’t happen anymore", Werdum said. "He’ll probably fight for Sengoku’s title. Strikeforce made a partnership with Dream, so my manager said I can also fight in Japan, at Dream"

But wait, now it's back on:

TATAME.com spoke with Antonio Silva's manager, and the fight will likely happen. "I spoke with them and they said everything it's ok. I'm in Brazil and I don't know more about it, but I think it's gonna happen", Alex Davis revealed.

No telling how that one will come out. But as Kelvin Hunt opined, Strikeforce may have bitten off more than they can chew with trying to promote three cards in November with one of them being one of the biggest cards in MMA history.

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there’s also bobby lashley who they want to put against waterman..

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 9, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They really need that fight, Lashley may not be a huge deal but he does have some name recognition and drawing power. It might also get them some free word of mouth ad work from TNA0

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Oops that should be TNA. Hard to post with this crappy cell phone.

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The same TNA that is shown on Spike?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-ShoMMA: Gurgel vs. Evangelista on November 6th in Fresno, California

-Strikeforce: Emelienenko vs. Rogers on November 7th in Illinois

-ShoMMA: Couture vs. Vera on November 20th in Kansas City, Kansas

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 9, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Couture vs Vera is a shoMMA card. What else does Strikeforce have going on in November?

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wait is that the ex wife vs wife fight? Are they running that as a main event?

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

LOL that’s right, you had me thinking Randy vs. Brandon (which is obviously an overseas card). If that’s the main event, damn, they really are running themselves thin.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ooohh I hope so, I’m getting tickets if Couture vs. Vera is here on KC.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

being on CBS

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by Kid Nate on Oct 9, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The consensus P4P best fighter on the planet fighting on CBS = one of the biggest cards in MMA history.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are some pretty loose criteria.

So any card with Fedor on T.V. = One of the Biggest MMA Cards in History? Am I the only one that finds this a bit silly?

Plus you can find a lot of consensus for a few other guys being the “concensus P4P best fighter on the planet”.

by Razreshat on Oct 9, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What part of this fight card being on NETWORK TELEVISION are you not understanding?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It does seem pretty silly to claim any MMA card on network television, or CBS specifically since nobody thought the IFL card on network tv was so amazing, is

one of the biggest cards in MMA history.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IFL was on a bullshit

network.
CBS is still the big time.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 9, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that, absolutely. It’s us thinking that every card on CBS is “one of the biggest” that seems iffy.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For right now it is the case. There have only been so many cards that can claim as much.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What makes it the case? I see no reason a card being on CBS would inarguably qualify it as such.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, what many consider the best fighter on the world fighting in front of a bigger audience than any other mma card has absolutely nothing that would qualify it as the biggest card.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By “many” you mean a select few hardcore fans.

And what makes you think this MMA card will be garner a bigger audience than “any other MMA card”?

You can’t seriously claim a card is one of the biggest in MMA history because it MIGHT be the most watched. Even it it was the most watched it wouldn’t be. The last MNF game was the most watched in history, which since the NFL has been around a LONG time means a lot. They didn’t ever call it “on of the biggest games in history” and for good reason. Just because lots of people watched it didn’t increase the importance of the game.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has the biggest possible audience by being on CBS.

The mere presence of Fedor makes it bigger than the Elite cards.

It should be the biggest card ever. If it becomes one is up to the people promoting it.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think people are confusing big with best

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Audience size = big

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the context used in this article, big referring to audience size is REALLY vague.

 If it was meant to mean only biggest in terms of audience size there is no argument. If it means biggest in terms of importance, which the context seems to imply, there is a strong argument against that.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and IFL shit was taped

by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The IFL did at least one live show during their season ending grand prix.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor + HDNet = not a big deal
Scott Smith + CBS = not a big deal
Fedor + CBS = One of the Biggest MMA Cards in History

by nottheface on Oct 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention that those EliteXC events still hold the record for having the most watched fights in North American history.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

onsensus P4P best fighter on the planet

I didn’t realize Anderson Silva was fighting on this card.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consensus = Agreed upon by most ranking bodies

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but what does “onsensus” mean?

by krcampbell on Oct 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

onsensus means that VegasBatman is bad at the copy/paste

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which would still be Anderson Silva

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This really isn’t worth arguing about. You’re nitpicking (and wrong) so we’re going to stop the P4P debate in this thread

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does WAMMA say?

That’s the only opinion that matters to me.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

They don’t do consensus, they do undisputed (even though one of those undisputed champions claims there is someone better than him in his weight class)

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is worth arguing about. You made a claim that’s categorically false. What “ranking bodies” claim Fedor is P4P the best? Not Sherdog, not Yahoo, not even HDNet.

by VegasBatman on Oct 9, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EliteXCs dreadful Stockton show was on CBS. Was that one of the biggest cards in MMA history too?

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t classify it as a missed opportunity. I would classify it as unwanted burden foisted upon a promoter by a clueless broadcast partner. EliteXC wanted no part of that show and told CBS that running a July card was a horrible idea. Unfortunately, CBS had them by the short hairs and EliteXC had no choice but to do what their broadcast partner told them to do.

That is my biggest worry for Strikeforce. That CBS/Showtime will start bullying them into making bad decisions and then unceremoniously dump them when those bad decisions come home to roost.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MMA Junkie says that Bigfoot vs Werdum is official:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16430/antonio-silva-vs-fabricio-werdum-finalized-for-strikeforce-fedor-vs-rogers.mma

and also that Mousasi will be taking on mr TBA (who looks like he’s going to have a rough night) in a non-title fight, which I hate with a burning passion.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16417/strikeforce-gegard-mousasi-will-have-non-title-fight-at-nov-7-cbs-event.mma

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Has “Bigfoot” got his CSAC issues worked out?

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

"There is no action pending against Mr. Silva nor is any contemplated," wrote CSAC Executive Officer Dave Thornton in an e-mail to Sherdog.com. "So he is clear to fight in California or any other state as long as he fulfills all other requirements."

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/silva-werdum-added-to-strikeforce-20235

But if history has taught us anything, we have no idea what “all other requirements” means, and they should probably get cracking on that. The fight is in IL, so who knows what they do there, so they don’t have to worry about crazy CSAC stuff.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s probably good that they aren’t making a big deal over that as both sides made such a mess of it over the last year but i wonder if the message athletic commissions want to send is that thet are fine with suspended fighters thumbing their noses at them and fighting overseas.

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

it seems like the new commission is distancing itself from the garcia fiasco

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia’s issues had nothing to do with Bigfoot Silva losing his appeal and then fighting in Japan while suspended. I mean I doubt Garcia sexually harrassed Antonio Silva and it was Silva’s lawyer’s fault they lost their appeal not CSACs. What it basically boils down too is that a fighter that was supsended went and fought somewhere else which is basically pissing on the whole suspension system and now they seem to be fine with it. If any other guy wants to just go fight in Japan when he is suspended and then come back later all they have to do is use the precedent they are currently setting.

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think Silva is going to have trouble getting a license on such short notice. I can’t imagine they won’t at least make him go through some sort of administrative hearing to explain his actions since getting suspended in California.

The SACs tend to be thick as thieves, and while they have no jurisdiction over what happens in Japan and no authority to punish him for ignoring the California suspension, that doesn’t mean they can’t bury his license application in red tape and extract their pound of flesh via other methods. ISAC dragging their feet on a license application and screwing him out of a payday would certainly not surprise me.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All SAC’s are supposed to stand behind any SAC’s decisions and they can deny him a license if they wish. They can’t stop him from fighting in Japan but it would be very easy for any of them to punish him for breaking the suspension by just not letting him get a license in the US.

by who me on Oct 9, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then they have another Showtime event in december

Which looks something like this:

Nick Diaz vs. Jay Hieron (if Diaz can get licensed)
TBA vs. TBA
Frank Shamrock vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 9:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

WTH?

That’s not how the card looks at all…

Gil Melendez vs Josh Thomson
Diaz vs Hieron
Shamrock vs Scott Smith

Rumored to be participating: Shaolin, Lindland, Jacare, Lawler, Lashley, Andrei. (basically anyone who didn’t get a spot on the Nov. 7th card).

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strikeforce needs to get on some of these recently released fighters

Prangley
MacDonald
Lutter
Cramer
McCrory
McCully
Leites
Franca
Junie Browning
Wellisch

Surely these guys have enough name recognition to fill compelling TBA postions?

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by aaronb on Oct 9, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of those names would be good pickups, but I feel compelled to point out that Junie won’t be/shouldn’t be fighting anyone for a while…

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by AJB on Oct 9, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wtf? leites got cut, too? another fighter who went form titlefight/main event to gone in under 60 seconds.

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leites, MacDonlad, Lutter, are all with MFC.
McCrory was already in talks with SF.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MFC has exclusive contracts?

I thought most of the MFC guys moved around quite a bit? Nick Thompson has fought in Strikeforce and Dream while under contract there. Basically everyone but McKie and Ryan Ford seemed to move around. Who knew?

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by aaronb on Oct 9, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MichaelDavSmith: Looks like Fedor-Rogers, Mousasi-Sokoudjou, Werdum-Bigfoot, Mayhem-Shileds will be the 4 Strikeforce CBS fights.

Mousasi Soku would be a good fight. I hope it’s not a non-title fight though.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats a great card, but one question?

what the eff is a non-title fight? if soko wins and doesn’t go home with the title, then SF is a joke. I hated it when Pride FC pulled that garbage.

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what the eff is a non-title fight

A fight where you don’t want one of the guys to have a chance of being your champ.

by Razreshat on Oct 9, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the definition

it will be murky waters if soko pulls this fight off (which i highly doubt, but it still is mma).

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they don't want to risk having

two five round decisions on the network card.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 9, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like that excuse. If that’s the thinking, move one of them.

Non-title fight just leaves too many things can go wrong. What if it’s a 3 round decision? What if Soko wins?

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they go the non-title route, I know I will be rooting for one of Soko’s patented Safari punch KOs. I would laugh my ass off if Strikeforce’s new champ gets demolished in a non-title fight.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hadn't thought of that

i wrongly assumed that since cbs was airing the event, they wouldn’t be rigidly confined to a time-block (like every other sporting event broadcasted).

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah the time constraints will be even more brutal

since air time on CBS is so valuable. Plus the local affiliate stations usually control the late evening slots — 10 oclock news and what not.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Mousasi-Soko a good fight?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

i submit, by definition, non-title fights are not good fights. but thats just me.

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is the 3rd highest ranked, non Zuffa LHW. And Babalu is #2, so using the BE Rankings, this is the best fight they can make, but I agree with pmac. If it’s non-title it’s stupid.

There aren’t a lot of options at 205 for Strikeforce, so this is the best one. But if this doesn’t qualify for a title fight, I have no idea what would.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, Mousasi needs to move up again and fight Fedor’s leftovers or move back down to MW. That is the only way he is going to get any challenging fights in Strikeforce. Their 205 division is atrocious.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“He is the 3rd highest ranked, non Zuffa LHW. And Babalu is #2, so using the BE Rankings, this is the best fight they can make”

OK, that still doesn’t make it a good fight.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I know, but I’ll give them credit for doing the best they can, but they lose all that credit for making it a non-title fight.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, although I’d rather see Mousasi-Filho, I think it’d be more competitive, or Moosesaucey-King Mo, which would be more interesting.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

its not the quality of the fight i have a problem with

just the terms under which the fight will take place

by pmac06340 on Oct 9, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bundy vs. Orton to complete CBS Card

But Cowboy will be required to remove the cast on his “broken” left arm.

Okay, maybe not, but they might as well book some circa-1986 WWF fights because that is exactly what Showtime/CBS thinks will work for promoting MMA. Give the fans squash matchs for free, then match-up names for PPV events. I say Showtime/CBS because this sure didn’t use to be how Strikeforce cards were booked in the past. Build your stars through less than competitive matchs is not only a failed MMA promotional tactic (see Slice, Kimbo) but its doomed to fail with the “any given night with small gloves” nature of MMA.

Dana may come off as a prick, but I think he is dead-on in his analysis of what is going on with Strikeforce/Showtime in terms of promotion tactics. Instead of learning from what worked for the UFC in the past 5 years, Showtime wants to try its Vince McMahon 25 year-old strategy of giving fans lots of poor quality maches on Saturday morning and Monday night highlight shows as well as the random Saturday Night Main Event. WWF fans were forced to watch 1 hour of programing to get one decent match on free-tv. At least if “Cowboy” Bob Orton vs. King Kong Bundy were added to the card we’d have one match in which the favorite was less than -400 because does anyone give Sokoudjou, “Buck” Rogers, or “Bully Antagonizer” Miller much of a chance?

by pwrcartel on Oct 9, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How are these "squash matches"?

-Rogers is the 2nd best HWY strikeforce has to match up against Fedor. Not to mention that causual fans know Rogers from 1 CBS card and 3 Showtime cards.

-Soku is #3 non-zuffa 205er out there according to BE

-Sheilds vs Mayhem is an awesome match-up that can go either way

-Antonio Silva vs Werdum is a classic Striker/Grappler matchup that will probably build Fedor’s next opponent up to the masses. Werdum probably wins but it will be FAR from a squash match. Probably less than -200 from the bookmakers.

Did I miss where Strikeforce announced that they were moving to PPV and emulating exactly what the Zuffa business model is?

Stop hating on everything non-zuffa. Its ghey-er than Elton John sucking on a pudding pop

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by aaronb on Oct 9, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shields v Mayhem is good.

But both Fedor and Mousasi’s bouts should be pretty one sided.

Silva v Werdum, who knows.

Frankly, the card seems fine.

For me personally, however, the irritation comes from acting like this is some monumental card simply because it has Fedor and is on CBS.

by Razreshat on Oct 9, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vegas says they are squash matches

Fedor is -575. Let me give a comparison, The Steelers are -520 @ Detroit this weekend, the Vikings are -550 @ St Louis. So the Lions and Rams have a better chance of puling the upset than Buck. Sounds somewhat “squashish” to me.

I don’t care about rankings, I care about match-ups, because styles maket fights. Mousasi has 9 of his 26 wins via submission. Soko has a “kimboesque” game from the bottom. Again Iike the Lions chances better than Soko’s.

Mayhem has 13 of his 22 wins via submission, how you think that will work again Shields? Okay, I will admit I would take Mayhem’s chances here over that of the Lions or Lams, err Rams. But still I would expect Shields to be a solid 2-to-1 favorite making it half-competitive.

Silva vs. Werdum, does anyone really care is my question? Its always a good idea to kick-off a big fight card with heavyweights, the most likely to be lacking cardio and thus to produce 15 minutes of two fat guys leaning on each other. Could be match of the year, but if I were a promoter I would look to put two lighter guys in there who can bang. Where is Scott Smith when you need him?

I have no love nor hate for “everything non-Zuffa” but what I do have is an apprecitation for good vs. bad business. If my compeitior engages in good buisness tactics, I have littel choice by to do the same if I want to survive, its good business.

And yeah, Showtime/CBS has stated their intentions of going PPV with their Strikeforce partnership. If you can’t see this as a build towards a higher revenue event then I can’t help you. Live events cost $1-2 million to put on, live gates are less than $1 million, Showtime doesn’t get ad revenues, ad revenues on CBS are a buyers market so it isn’t like sponsors are lining up to pay top dollar for programming (MMA) that has failed to deliver ratings in the absence or Kimbo, Gina, or the UFC brand. Showtime needs PPV revenues to make a profit. Or they need massive ratings to increase ad revenue.

Showtime is just adopting bad business tactics.

by pwrcartel on Oct 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Have you seen the odds of Machida vs Shogun? These are great matchups, and we care.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I say Showtime/CBS because this sure didn’t use to be how Strikeforce cards were booked in the past.

Huh?

Strikeforce has always booked freakshows and squash matches. Their very first main event was former UFC champion and MMA legend Frank Shamrock against a guy who had never fought in MMA before (Cesar Gracie). Their first attempt to expand beyond their northern California fanbase was headlined by Bob Sapp versus Jan Nortje. The spent years building up Cung Le with nothing but tailor made matchups against guys who would not take him down.

CBS/Showtime might be encouraging more of the same, but none of this new territory for Strikeforce.

by Steve4192 on Oct 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i cant imagine no one gave a little thought to this....

what if Soko fights at 210 instead of 205…should it still be title fight….NO. since he was in Super Hulk. IMO they will make this a catch weight bout and thats all…all the people that cry that its not a title fight “should” shut the fuck up…right?

by 1WAYtiket on Oct 9, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No because a fight at 210 would make absolutely no sense on any level. they both usually fight at 205, Soko not cutting to go play circus in Japan shouldn’t effect that. If Mousasi wants to fight a legit HW or a MW that’s fine, adding 5 pounds just to make it non-title is dumb.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO Soko does not deserve a title shot anyway

 i rather see him fight in a non title fight then not fight at all. but a catch weight makes very much sense.

by 1WAYtiket on Oct 9, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does a catch weight make sense? Just for an excuse to make it a non-title fight?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 9, 2009 8:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It makes no sense, it’s just an excuse to make the fight a non-title fight.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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