TUF 10: The Ultimate Fighter Live Discussion (Episode 4)
by Mike Fagan on Oct 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT
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Well, that was...special. In between being stuck in crucifixes, Kimbo Slice gave Roy Nelson a taste of Miami BBQ. Unfortunately, a couple of menacing strikes does not a win make, and Nelson took advantage of a serious mismatch on the floor in route to a stoppage victory.
And with a loss to the season's odds-on favorite, we're immediately left guessing if Kimbo will end up back in the competition. Ex-NFL'er Marcus Jones has already been shown dealing with various ailments. Will he end up as Kimbo Slice's golden ticket? (Does that make Dana White some bald headed, Bostonized Willy Wonka?)
In bigger picture news, Team Rashad has jumped out to a 3-0 start to the season. Quinton Jackson's wanton drafting and irrational matchmaking has already come back to bite him in the ass. When will Team Baracus get their first win? Will Kimbo ultimately redeem himself? Did Greg Jackson go back to Dagobah during the show's taping?
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Subsidiary question:
What did dana put in Jones’s bottle?
I’ll bet on snake juice.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I was pretty much on Herb’s side here, Roy wasn’t doing any damage and that is usually when I think the fight should be stopped— when you see someone getting destroyed and they cannot stop it from happening.
But I have seen a lot of contradictions about the stoppage in various articles. Even Dean said he looked at the clock. But take a look at the Gina Carano fight where it got stopped with a second or two left in the round and that ref talks about how it would be unfair to let the round give her a recovery even though she could have made it to the end of the round without getting destroyed.
When you don’t have any definite rules for this sort of thing, then you get totally different results in different matches under similar circumstances. But in the end, if Roy was that worried about having the fight stopped, then he should have laid into Kimbo harder. In the end, he protected his hands, which was smart for how much they have to fight on the show. And he still got the win, so he shouldn’t complain too much.
I know where the confusion is coming from
“And with a loss to the season’s odds-on favorite, we’re immediately left guessing if Kimbo will end up back in the competition.”
When looking at this sentence, you are assuming that ‘with a loss to’ means ‘assigning a loss to’. This is not correct.
The sentence is about Kimbo and the loss is obviously his. ‘to the season’s odds-on favorite’ is to give a more in-depth description to ‘a loss’…….Kimbo’s loss.
So Kimbo’s loss was to the season’s odds-on favorite.
Does that make sense or was I assuming wrong? I thought you inferred that Kimbo was the season’s odds-on favorite and that was what you were questioning…not that you were questioning Roy Nelson’s odds on the show.
Maybe in the coaches challenge
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They haven’t done swimming yet or golf. I’m guessing it will be swimming since that is an easy sport to judge although less exciting TV.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
I hope not
Rashad is an awful swimmer…
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by funnytiger on Oct 7, 2009 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think they would dare having 2 black men swimming.. it might just end up enforcing some stereotype. :)
by grein on Oct 7, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahaha!
I was thinking that, but you went ahead and said it. Rec’d!
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Marcus Jones will fight as we have already seen that in the promos before the show even aired
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
Thats what cracks me up. Its Jones beating on someone down against the cage.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Yep, it was Demico
It was on the show last night.
its just a tease for people that are watching TUF for Slice
Spike/UFC have to use some good promo editing techniques to make it seem like Kimbo might still be back and steal the show…..
Dana White is joining Jim Rome in studio next on ESPN
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Dana says they have been close to a network deal for years but he is in no hurry to get one
Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice. - Mike Fagan
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rome is taking shots at MMA and Dana looks pissed
Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice. - Mike Fagan
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
CBS is putting on a freak show
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I just watched it
Where did JR take shots at MMA? I didn’t think he did at all…
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Dana’s blood pressure was rising during that interview
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
NBC director doesn’t know if the UFC will go mainstream but it will continue to grow because of people like Dana White
Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice. - Mike Fagan
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing is now lack luster compared to the UFC
Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice. - Mike Fagan
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The rest of the ultimate fighter fight are a lot better than the first 3. the first 3 sucked
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
With regards to the entire TUF set up, does anyone here feel the “Team” aspect is really pretty irrelevant now? I mean, even if one “Team” wins every single fight, they end up fighting each other anyway. I know they have the team set up to try and create some artificial drama, but it just seems pointless now. What they should do is, give out the monetary reward to the entire team for winning a preliminary bout, and not just the $5000 purse to the winner of each bout. The more fights one team wins, the more money the entire team can share amongst themselves. Take an idea from the “Survivor” show, and give the entire team whose fighter wins a bout, a chance to call home. Heck, they could even offer (they do already anyway to some degree) the entire winning team a chance to appear on the TUF finale, or give the winning teams’ fighters 1 fight contracts. They should do something to help motivate the fighters into wanting to help their team succeed if the UFC brass and Spike TV plan on staying with this set up.
The team aspect is only a gimmick, it’s irrelevant like you said, most people don’t care which team wins, I don’t remember which team won the last two seasons.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I know Bisping won last year, because I had a theory that we were seeing Britain’s best against the Americans that couldn’t get into the UFC on their own.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Oct 7, 2009 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The info for tonight’s show on the guide on my tv just says, Zak Jenson, Marcus Jones. Tonight’s possible fight?
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 7, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh. Hope thats not right, just for the fact that it spoils the “fight announcement” moment. I don’t think anyone will care too much, but think about the casual guy who’s like “Wait…thats the guy Kimbo was gonna replace…wtf!?” and just quits watching.
I’m glad Marcus gets to fight though, watching him overreact about getting pushed back due to his knee gave me mixed emotions. On one end, I’m thinking, dude…stfu and be glad you get time to recover. On the other I’m thinking, man, this guy has the heart of a warrior to argue with RAMPAGE about getting his fight on.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 7, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Yeah we know it’s bound to happen. Keep in mind at the end of the first episode we saw clips of guys scrapping in the pool…I don’t think anyone is getting the “Junie Treatment” this season.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 7, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for counting those punches for me.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone think that Kimbo will ever achieve a decent ground game or at least the ability to fight off takedowns, given his late start in MMA?
Yeah...
I was thinking that would be a pretty good accomplishment if he could just keep some decent opponents from getting the fight to the ground.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He has had a long time to work on it since EXC, and hasn’t gotten better.
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Surprised at the lack of comments. I DVR’d and am catching up.
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You and me both.
No comments at all really.
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Is it just me or do the FX on the latest Promos look like bad Street Fighter Sprites?
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They we’re better than in the last street fighter movie, and I’m not even kidding.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I stayed away from that like it was the smelly kid at school.
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Did anyone notice that Fagan wrote in route instead of en route in the post. It’s been bothering me for some reason. Maybe, it’s because he’s usually such a wise ass. Oh, there you are. LOL.
I think it’s okay, though. I’ve been researching it.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
A GUY TOLD ANOTHER GUY ABOUT HIS TEAM’S STRATEGY! THIS TYPE OF DRAMA IS AMAZING!
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I don’t know. This show’s dragging kind of like this comments section.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how badly the ratings are going to fall off once people realize Kimbo’s not going to get to fight again? I don’t know. They may do this “a possible injury may get Kimbo back in” thing every week.
I agree
I was thinking that same thing when it started to look like Marcus was getting better. I was asking myself how long can they come up with “will kimbo come back?” teasers
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Marcus
To me, and this is just my opinion. I think marcus is really wasting a good oppurtunity that someone else could take advantage of. I honestly cannot think of a scenario where he could win.
He gassed after 3 jumps over a f-in jump rope. And he doesn’t act like he really has a desire for the sport.
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Shaub
This looks like the fight of the famous “black guy pounded someone against the cage” screenshot was taken from.
"You put the Devil on the other side, and I will come to fight." - Royce Gracie
Even though it looks like the fight that the screenshot is from. I would be suprised if that happened, becuase Brendand is a beast supposedly.
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If the ratings are anything like the turnout for this thread....
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In all fairness, Kimbo lost, Rampage isn’t fighting Rashad, the casual appeal must be pretty dead.
Plus these Machida promos are the highlight of this show so far.
Dana might stick it to Rashad for forcing Kimbo to fight so early.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we see some better performances. As a whole, the heavyweights haven’t looked too good thus far.
I was very suprised by Shivers. I thought he would be better for some reason.
"You put the Devil on the other side, and I will come to fight." - Royce Gracie
Cuz he looked impressive in his fight shorts?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Explode on his face?! Ewww
"You put the Devil on the other side, and I will come to fight." - Royce Gracie
To be fair
There’s a lot more gym time and training and a lot less house antics this season, I like it
That's a plus.
I kind of wish they would focus on some of the specifics of training. It wouldn’t have eat up a ton of time. I’d just like to learn a little more about how the different coaches are preparing their guys.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst commercial ever
"You put the Devil on the other side, and I will come to fight." - Royce Gracie
This show needs a knock out like I need a peice of ass, pretty damn bad.
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by Dochin on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
However the KO is much more likely to happen.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
haha I lol’d at my own misfortune
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by Dochin on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd comment on the action
But it will not air here until well after I go to sleep.
Who is fighting tonight?
Seattle is cursed. For life.
yeah...
like start being a coach would be a start.
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Oct 8, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoops, completely forgot this was on. By the comments, I don’t think I missed all that much.
I specializes in grammar fail.
And have ken shamrock teahc him how to trash talk,lol
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???
Tito was arguably the best coach TUF ever saw, Ken looks like a drunken retarded toddler when he trash talks, I don’t understand your comment
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^ WHY
Because about 70% of the people watching this show are watching only for him. KIMBO = RAtTINGS its that simple. Zuffa will milk that cow for every last drop
Well, I've lost the last bit of respect for Rampage
And gained a ton for Rashad. Mr. Evans, you are a class act. Good night all.
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Same here
I liked both guys coming into this season, but honestly I have become a fan of Rashad and disgusted by Rampage.
It seems to me that Rashad is there to coach, while Rampage is there to hang out with Kimbo.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I was already a fan of Rashad and a huge fan of Rampage. I understand that Rampage isnt a coach, he’s afighter and thats why hes frustrated. Rashad on the other hand has straight up won me over. If I were to have to choose I’d want to be on his team. Major props to him, I bet a ton of casuals are really digging his style.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
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This.
The only reason I still like Rampage is because I realize he is a naturally gifted fighter, which explains why he is such a terrible coach. He’s not an especially technical guy so he doesn’t have anything better to tell his guys than vague things like “GET UP!” and “GET YOUR ARM OUT!” because he only knows what works for him.
If I had just watched TUF though, I’d probably hate him. He comes off as a real dick.
by lowellthehammer on Oct 7, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Until Rampage tries to fight a guy on his team...
he is still better than Ken Shamrock.
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by Tree Meister on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To me he is
Shamrock seems like he’s a little bit…mentally unstable the last few years. The Tito beef got to his head… he was a coach before with the Lion’s Den but I don’t think he cared about coaching.
For Rampage, no matter how hard he tries, he will always be a bad coach. There’s no ability there…
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What exactly is the difference between an Anaconda and a D'arce?
They look really similar to me, but maybe it’s because I’ve never taken any BJJ classes and have wrestled my whole life.
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Great Question
Wikipedia says:
The D’Arce choke is similar to the Anaconda choke. The difference being that the choking arm is thread under the near arm, in front of the opponent’s neck, and on top of the far arm. The choke gets its name from Joe D’Arce, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt under Renzo Gracie. Though not the inventor of the choke, D’Arce performed this choke often and with great success in many Jiu Jitsu and submission grappling tournaments. Another name for this choke is the Brabo choke.
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An anaconda choke is an arm triangle from the front headlock position. The man on top threads his arm under the opponents neck and through the armpit, and grasps his biceps. The performer then attempts to pin the bottom man onto the trapped shoulder so as to better interrupt the flow of blood, all the while applying pressure with the grasped biceps. He may accomplish this by rolling the man over the untrapped shoulder, (known as a gator roll) and use the momentum to turn the man onto his trapped shoulder. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira was the first one to use it in MMA, although he and his twin brother learned this submission from Luis “Buscape” Firmino.
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I just started training about 2 months ago
I just learned the brabo myself so this was a good little lesson. Coach would be proud. :)
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Also how come it seems like SPIKE is totally editing out Wes Sims? Does he get kicked off the show later or something?
No house or training footage at all… =\
Was wondering this myself, he seemed pretty funny in the lead-up and he’s a veteran for whatever that’s worth. It seems like he might have kept to himself though or something, they were saying something about an outcast in the preview for next week and showed him.
by lowellthehammer on Oct 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
where is Greg Jackson as well
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The whole time this show was filming he was busy coming up with this game plan
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I dislike Matt Hughes.
Unless its clever editing
you can see that perhaps Rampage is worn out with MMA after all these years and you see it in this season. Rashad’s head seems so much more into everything about the show, the fight, and the fight game in general. It doesn’t surprise me that perhaps he was fishing for a way out.
It looked real shitty the way it ended, Rogers is a real kid that needs his coaches to back him up and Rampage, his coaches, and his team failed. Its not like he’s Big Country, who could handle that because he’s so experienced.
Big ups to Schaub, been following his Blog on Junkie so I was rooting for him. Looked like he was gonna lose but when he reversed positions and pulled it out I was jumping for joy! =)
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
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I was worried
that the MMAJunkie blogger spoiler wouldn’t take into effect for a second. They really need to start mixing it up with these bloggers.
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Team rampage guys are getting dominated. It seems his only hope is Wes Sims hopefully after this week theres a whole lot more of him
not too many comments tonight – I find that this season I can’t watch and comment
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Yeah
I just watch and come in afterwards..
Unless I’m watching it on a stream, it doesn’t seem practical to go back and forth.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Japanese/Hdnet
stuff works perfect for me. I can’t watch it unless it’s on a stream. This is usually in the background and I just go back and forth. Really makes the event fun heh.
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Had to catch the 11 EST showing this week...
I like the focus, relatively speaking, on the training. So far, very little house drama or other stupidity. The “will Kimbo return?” stuff is hopefully moot after Demico put in a more impressive performance—if anyone goes down, the spot should go to Demico. Of course Zuffa and SpikeTV may say otherwise. The quantity of commercials continues to piss me off.
Rampage and the coaching staff came off really bad in this episode. It’s sick how much better off the members of Rashad’s team are.
Rampage's coaching is atrocious
I couldn’t agree more, way to leave your fighter unattended pre-fight. That’s totally going to get his head in the right place to perform at 100%.
I think I am going to skip the rest of this season after tonight’s episode, the crappy commercials and the terrible reality T.V. editing and hyping. It’s intolerable and unacceptable frankly.
Rashad is gaining a new fan in me. He can rub people the wrong way at times with his cockiness, but at least he actually cares about the guys he’s training. I didn’t think Rampage could be worse as a coach after season 7 but damn he sucks as a coach. Just goes to show ya that just because you’re good at something doesn’t mean you can teach it.
by Chooch on Oct 8, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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It’s hard to believe Rampage acted that way after the fight and didn’t want to give D a stool or even go in to the cage afterward. Well, I mean I guess I can, he left before my fight was even over. In fact now that I think about it, he wouldn’t even speak to me for a day or two after. I think Rashad did a very accurate job of describing the feelings after a loss and he was dead on. You do feel really low and I do think that a good coach will be there for you to help you through it.
I consider Rampage among my friends and in general I think he’s a decent guy. But at this point, it was feeling to me like his heart really wasn’t into being a coach; almost like he was just waiting out the clock. Maybe that wasn’t the case, but it was definitely my perception.
It’s borderline criminal to keep letting Rampage “coach” these guys. I’ve never been much of a fan, and it’s only gotten much worse on this show.
One of these days Rampage will pull a Junie and jump into the cage after or during a fight.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
From Zak's blog ...
That’s when Rampage told Demico he gave up in the cage. You never say that to a fighter when his dream at being The Ultimate Fighter was just taken away. What kind of coaching style is that? Also the last thing Rampage said was that he had to go and read a part of the book he was carrying around for his acting class. I have an idea, why don’t you start acting like a [expletive] coach!
That last bit seals it for me, the rest of this season is going to suck so terribly bad. No doubt about it, Rampage has completely checked out. Being more concerned about getting Thai for lunch, telling your fighter he “quit” and his acting class book rather than coach is just plain ridiculous.
Outrageous. I feel so so badly for all the fellas on Rampages team. They deserved so much better. What the HELL was Dana thinking talking Rampage into coaching again. Wasn’t the lesson from Season 7 enough warning?
After seeing all this I think Rashad might beat Rampage
Just like with Forrest. But Rashad is even more motivated.
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