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The Robbery of Chase Beebe and Incompetency of Virginia's Athletic Commission: Part 2

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I'm going to circle back to the fight itself in a subsequent post, but I've been receiving disconcerting emails from some who either saw the fight at home or were in attendance. These folks have essentially suggested that the judging in this fight was so incompetent that it simply couldn't be the case that the Virginia commission judges were that inept; the fix had to be in.

On some level, I suppose I understand this sentiment. When the judging is this outrageous, it's difficult to not try to read between what lines we perceive exist and cough up a narrative to explain the idiocy. Alas, while corruption would be an easy charge to levy, it's harder still to prove. And corruption isn't the commission's problem. A complete and fundamental inability to perform the task asked of them is the deeper and more sinister issue.

Let's look at three situations that help to underscore how systemic sloppy procedure and incompetency actually are within this commission.

First, you'll notice the picture at the top of the post. This was taken during the first bout of the evening, which featured Freddy Assuncao making his professional debut against Felipe Arantes, also making his professional debut. So what's the problem? Well, unless we are in Japan where there is no athletic commission, the wearing of pants below the knee is illegal under the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts. In fact, Virginia's own specific take on the Unified Rules also don't allow for it:

"Each contestant shall wear two pair of shorts with the top pair being either mixed martial art shorts, biking shorts, or kick boxing shorts. The second pair shall be worn underneath. Gi’s or shirts and shoes are prohibited during competition."

As it's been explained to me, this was borrowed from New Jersey's early laws, which clearly and unequivocally prohibited the use of any pants or shorts that extended below the knee. As for why two pairs of shorts are needed, this was initially intended to mean competitors had to wear some form of underwear, but it's not enforced (at least not consistently). So what do you suppose the Virginia commission did about this clear infraction of the rules? Nothing. Despite a protest from the Assuncao corner, they let it go. After all, people came to see fights and it's far easier to be lazy and skirt around the rules than it is to make a fuss by regulating MMA properly.

And speaking of the Assuncao corner, there's another story to be told. I was in attendance when this occurred and heard everything that was said.

At the weigh-ins prior to the fights, Freddy Assuncao's brother, Raphael, was trying to obtain a corner man's license. This is ordinarily a simple procedure except that the commissioner, David Holland, required Assuncao to pay the money at the weigh-ins or he'd be denied a license. Raphael asked Holland if he could take the money out of the purse, but Holland refused. Not only did he refuse, he first asked Raphael if he'd ever competed within the U.S., an insulting and ignorant question is there ever was one. Raphael explained that promoters have done this before (and his English is very good), but Holland refused and told him it was against federal law for him to do that. 

I contacted Nick Lembo of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board to evaluate those claims and here's how he responded:

In NJ, we ask the promoter if they are paying for licenses or if each individual is responsible.

If the promoter says he will pay, the promoter is presented with a licenses bill which must be paid at the weigh in.

Typically, the promoter recoups the fees paid when settling up with the fighter after the fight.

Its my experience that fees are taken out of purses all the time.

Not only licensing fees, but sanctioning fees and advances etc.

I am not aware of any federal law prohibition.

Do you know why Lembo isn't aware of any federal law prohibition? Because MMA is not federally regulated. Either Holland was lying directly to Assuncao face's or he's so confused that he's in the most desperate need of legal counsel I have ever seen. Regardless, Holland forced the Assuncao team to use their per diem money to pay for the license. In short, Holland literally took their lunch money.

As for the weigh-ins themselves, the commission angrily bossed fighters around and talked to them as if they were impudent children who were bothering them with petty requests for toys or food. This would be more acceptable if the weights of the fighters hadn't been such a problem. While some made weight and others were wildly off the mark, fighters who had weighed themselves upstairs were consistently coming in .2 or .3 pounds over. Most were able to correct the issue, some more easily than others, but it turns out the scales being used by the commission were being placed on thick but soft hotel flooring carpet. One can take the same scale and place it around the room and get different results, to say nothing of adjusting it on different, soft surfaces. That's why the weights have to be handled delicately. Unlike the state of New Jersey that uses scales certified and administered by the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs State Office of Weighs and Measures, the commission snidely replied to all requests to have the scales checked as an affront to their authority. Interestingly, we don't actually know what vetting process went into the scales used by the commission as they refused any and all requests for information about the validity of the calibration. The choice the fighters faced was trust them or don't fight. And don't ask questions along the way. If this commission would like to respond, I'd be happy to report it here.

I can only report on these matters because they were within my purview, but given how unable the commission is in meeting simple, routine demands is it really that outlandish to suggest they'd botch the more weighty task of training and assigning competent judges?

UPDATE: I've been told all of the fighters and their teams were notified ahead of time they wouldn't be able to pay licensing fees with purse money. I have now seen the documentation myself. Raphael Assuncao and his team had the responsibility to know the law. However, the fact still stands that there is no federal statute regarding such a thing. The Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 does not apply to MMA.

The Robbery of Chase Beebe and Incompetency of Virginia's Athletic Commission: Part 1

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Gosh, there’s a lot of info to be had regarding this one fight card.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that gave me a laugh

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by beery_pbr on Oct 6, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously though, thanks for lending you’re investigative journalism skills to the issue, Luke—good stuff.

by casey manrique on Oct 6, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just like to add...

First and foremost, the commissions all over the country should have one primary goal, the regulation and safety of this sport. But in an additional capacity to help with the primary goal, service to the promoters and fighters should be an A+ effort. It’s despicable that the Virginia Athletic Commission felt it was necessary to talk down to fighters and promoters, have zero knowledge of their own rules in place, and be completely inaccessible. Their job, after all, is to be accessible to everyone that needs accommodation.

Secondly, I commend Nick Lembo in his efforts to clear up these situations that are obviously infant concepts to the VAC. Lembo is the epitome of what I would call a class act when it comes to the “customer” service portion of being a part of an Athletic Commission. In my article outlining the NJASCB’s judging process, a process that should be in place in every single state with an AC, he was more than accomodating to my line of questioning regarding the process and included detailed examples of how the process worked. He took all the time in the world to explain it and email me back responses. He offered unparalleled access to himself and for me to pick his brain via email and phone.

Interestingly enough, I’m currently in the process with Nevada’s commish, Keith Kizer, and he has been equally forthcoming about their processes. It pays to be a service to inquiries, and it’s obviously some sort of far-fetched obligation to members of the VAC. They are supposed to be helping this sport along, not scaring it away. If the VAC wants to lose out on regional promotions and potentially bigger fish coming to the state down the road, so be it.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 6, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

The ref was pulling ads off Arantes’ before and durring the fight since they were strechy pants and what looked like iron on ads.

Another great article. I had pants questions and questions about Freddy’s corner men issues, but I had no idea the scales had issues. I regret not being able to attend weigh-ins now. Having a scale on carpet it a crime. They would never do that for a high school wrestling match. Have they had similar scale issue at previous weigh-ins? I have been there and never remember any sort of issues where the scale came into question. I have never liked the judges in VA, but I don’t recall similar issue to the ones in this article before, what has changed? New members in the AC?

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A scale on a carpet is notorious for bad accuracy. It’s amazing.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 6, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

amazingly crazy. It could have been light or heavy by a pound or two and featuring lighter weight where those guys are sucking every oz, it could be dangerous and it is plain unfair.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't even do that in HS wrestling tournaments

That’s absolutely ridiculous. A digital scale on a carpeted floor? No way that’s accurate.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Oct 6, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, where is the ref’s responsibility to enforce the pants issue? I would think that the commission doesn’t have a place to enforce that in the cage and the primary actor to enforce attire rules would be the ref. Sure the commission could step in, but its the refs place, correct?

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I weigh every two years even I know you don’t do this on a carpet. That’s not only unprofessional that’s also plain stupid.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Holland

I’ve worked for the Va Commish…. did 4 events with them… and every time Mr. Holland has had some sort of melt down… either with the staff (cursing and threatening during our post fight meetings)….. with fighters, trainers, etc. He has told me he doesn’t like MMA and he clearly doesn’t understand how to regulate it properly….

by DeepStrike on Oct 6, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Love for the sport is not required to run an event and enforce the rules that are in place. That being said, There must be some legal recourse for the deviations from the rules that happened in VA on Sat.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Virginia's Athletic Commission

Let us not forget the past misdeeds of Virginia’s Athletic Commission, to wit: allowing the first professional female fight in state history, scheduled for three three-minute rounds, to go an extra two-minutes per round.

To change the rules under which a fight takes place without so much as notifying the fighters prior to (or during) the fight is unforgivable. The fact that people were not fired over that display of incompetence is beyond me.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

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by Brett Jones on Oct 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am for five minute rounds for female fights, but not “surprise, it five minute rounds”. Not cool.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally, I can’t properly articulate just how angry it makes me that a professional organization tasked with the upholding of regulations to ensure the safety of the fighters, would be so oblivious to the notion that carpeting could affect the weigh-in results. All involved parties need to be fired, and fired today.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 6, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fixing the Situation

I guess now the big question is: What can we do to fix it?

I’ll be damned if I’m letting a bad AC screw up MMA forVirginia

by MMASpotClint on Oct 6, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetically speaking, if this was in Virginia with the same circumstance, but it was boxing, what would happen?

by bubbafat on Oct 6, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d have to look over the boxing rules. They might be different.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 6, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question was in regards to scales on carpets, fighter wearing pants, and just the over all pattern of ineptitude by the presiding commission officials. And in turn the AC chairman’s neglectful representation of a sport that they sanction. Travesty’s such as these would have implications in the boxing world, I hope. Heads should roll.

by bubbafat on Oct 6, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope no one associates all the crappy things that happened on the card with the UWC.. especially the robbery, it would suck if some of the misinformed people in the show think that the UWC is crooked or something where as it is obvious that the commissions don’t know what they are doing.

by Anton Tabuena on Oct 6, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just hope no one associates all the crappy things that happened on the card with the UWC

I don’t see that happening, though I’ll be utterly shocked if they ever hold another event in VA.

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by woomikee on Oct 6, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was already happening. With the way Beebe pulled out of the first fight and now he gets the raw end of the dec, people like to put two and two together. People were talking fix while walking to there cars, it really left everyone with a sour taste.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s already happened, which is unfortunately from fans who don’t understand that there is a separation between promotions and athletic commissions when it comes to actual rules and judging.

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by Leland Roling on Oct 6, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly right its already happening – Just go look at the sherdog forums, posters are throwing the blame at the UWC. A few smart posters though have put there 2 cents in saying how they have nothing to do with this. For some reason still most mma fans think a promotion is in charge of the judges and refs.

by Shocbomb on Oct 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just go look at the sherdog forums

I try not to =X

That’s a damned shame that the UWC is taking the brunt of the public outcry. I guess I’ve gotten used to the BE community vs general MMA public.

"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"

by woomikee on Oct 6, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I’ve gotten used to the BE community vs general MMA public.

And THANK GOD. BE is DEFINITELY the best place to come for smart & informed MMA talk.

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The Packers, that’s who.
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by TheViking83 on Oct 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

it sucks that the VA athletic commission is so shitty. Hopefully UFC/ Strikeforce/ Bellator never hold any major events there… (until they get their shit together

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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 6, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I ever catch wind that the UFC decided not to come to VA because of our AC… I’ll flip my shit.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 7, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't hold this against the UWC

But I do hold the increase in price! Ouch!! It was $28.50 correct… now same seats are $38.50… don’t get me started on beer… or the price of beer that doesn’t suck…. $9.00…

Too much $$$ for me dog…

Back to the topic….

by DeepStrike on Oct 6, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

spring for the tickets early and they are usually cheaper. But bigger fights = higher prices. truth.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, get drunk before the show if you so chose. Pregame it.

by szucconi on Oct 6, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what’s the problem? Well, unless we are in Japan where there is no athletic commission, the wearing of pants below the knee is illegal under the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts.

Don’t think Kid Nate knew that during the live commentary, haha.

Ariantes won me over by fighting in a svelte pair of black grappling pants ala Shinya Aoki. That’s what I’m talking about.

If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
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by TheViking83 on Oct 6, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen

Let’s applaud Luke Thomas for being so vocal about these issues, someone has to do it, and I’m glad to see Luke being the one at the helm.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 6, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Luke was born to be vocal.

But seriously, I applaud him for taking the time and hashing this out for everyone else. The ordeal looks like a mess to say the least.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 6, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here. Plus, I’m too lazy. Much easier to just say, “Agreed!” :)

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by pud333 on Oct 6, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I first saw those pants, I thought they were fighting in a state w/no sanctioning body. Then I forgot about it all together.

As far as whether the VSAC is simply incompetent, that is not the impression I came away with after the Beebe/Easton decision. It reminded more of what happened to Malinagi when he fought Diaz in Texas except I think Malignaggi/Diaz was actually a closer fight. The Beebe/Easton decision is quite easliy the worst decision I have ever seen in MMA. You could take a non-MMA fan off the street and show him that fight and he could tell you Beebe won.

Now, one could say that the Texas boxing commission is simply incompetent too but its not true. They are corrupt. I guess my question would be, can a commission alone be corrupt w/o some corroboration or collusion from the promoter as well?

Someone more knowledgeable than me will have to answer that one but my instincts tell me there are monetary reasons to make sure a Mexican boxer wins in TX and an African-American hometown fighter wins in D.C. I wouldn’t think these reasons apply only to the commission involved.

Maybe I am saying things that shouldn’t be said but that’s OK. I am prepared for the consequences.

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by MyFistYourFace on Oct 6, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Corruption is pretty heavy charge.

Certainly, fight sport has been affected by some types of corruption from time to time. However, my gut feeling is that incompetence is the culprit more often than not. Some type of money-generating conspiracy would be a sexier scenario, but without any type of tangible evidence, it’s not a claim I would want to make just on a whim. I’m all for calling a crook a crook. I’d just like to have something besides a fishy outcome to base it on.

I think what’s been laid out by Luke heretofore is an example of ignorance and negligence on the commission’s part.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 6, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that proof has to be found if someone is going to officially charge a commission or promotion of corruption. I am just saying that, after watching the entire card and the results there of, the Beebe/Easton fight was the one fight that stood out as being BLATANTLY misjudged.

I have watched events where the refs were clearly incompetent or where one judge was out to lunch and that showed up throughout the night and in multiple fights. In this instance, the one fight where the judges apparently took a 30 minute bathroom break and had absolutely NO clue what they were looking at was the one involving the hometown fighter. I don’t buy the incompetence angle unless there is such a thing as malicious incompetence.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Oct 6, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong. I’m just say that I don’t know. What I do get from the posts on this topic is that the commission did a lot of dumb shit, but I can’t glean any kind of corruption from any of it…yet.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow this whole thing sucks seeing as how I’m moving from california to virginia beach in a couple of months

by drano on Oct 6, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VA Beach can be pretty nice man, don’t let this ruin your opinion of VA and the MMA scene here; just because our athletic commish is apparently mentally disabled doesn’t mean we don’t have some great camps and fighters in the state.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent read. I must say I’m not to familiar with your work, but this article was very informative and quite revealing, and a little disturbing to be honest. Thanks.

by scrambledeggs on Oct 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

 California State Athletic Commission looks a whole lot better now

by bubbafat on Oct 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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