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The Week in Quotes: September 27th - October 3rd

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THIS IS THE GREATEST NIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT!

"Me and Kimbo, we talked about it, like how much money we would have potentially lost by fighting actually on the show." - Roy "Big Country" Nelson, who had six million people watch him meticulously deconstruct Kimbo Slice on the latest episode of the Ultimate Fighter Season 10. (MMA Weekly)

"First round was 44 punches to the face, and then (referee) Herb Dean doesn’t know how to ref, but we’ve seen that before. And then the next round was 22 punches. You could even see me yelling at Herb Dean, ‘Come on, ref.’ " - Nelson, believing referee Herb Dean should have ended the bout late in the first round when he trapped Kimbo in a crucifix. (USA Today)

"Kimbo got up after that round pretty quick and spry, right? If I stop a fight it's because I believe a fighter's not fighting back, because he can't." - Herb Dean, defending his decision. (MMA Weekly)

"That weight was hard to move. The crucifix is not my favorite position." - Kimbo Slice, finding common ground with Jesus Christ. (Inside the Ultimate Fighter)

"You know how Babe Ruth used to point to the fence and say, 'I'm going to hit this home run'?" - Nelson, certified baseball historian.

Star-divide

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD

"This is probably, I would say, not hands down, but pound-for-pound a good fight, one of my best fights." - Kimbo Slice, hyping up his fight with Roy Nelson. (Sherdog)

"The fight sucked." - UFC President Dana White (Yahoo)

"Are you going to see Kimbo Slice fight again in the UFC? Yes." - White, influenced by the six million viewers the fight brought in. (LA Times Blog)

"No, never. The ratings do not influence our decision. The guy can either fight or not." - White.  Was that ever really a question?

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

"There's no reason [I did it]. Anytime I lose a fight that's what I'm doing from now on.  I'm just going to jump over the cage and run out." - Former UFC light heavyweight champ Forrest Griffin, finally offering some insight into his Gump-esque post fight jog at UFC 101. (MMA 30)

"And I said, 'Look, man, I haven't told anybody, let's keep this on the down low, but the truth is your mom was waiting for me in the back to suck my dick, and you know how good of a blowjob your mom gives, so I didn't want to be late for that shit.' " - Griffin, relaying his response after his father badgered him about his one hundred meter dash. (MMA Fanhouse)

"There's nothing to say. It's not about talking, I thought it was a fighting sport. I'm tired of talking to people." - Griffin.  The more surly you get with fans and media, the more I fall in love with you.

"Telling you they put money on you, and 'you're my kid's idol.' I don't want to hear that shit. Get Tom Brady on your kid's wall. Why me?" - Griffin.  Awww, you poor thing.

BROCKSMASH! SHANESMASH! ARGGGGHHHH!

"He hasn’t fought anybody. He’s fought (Gabriel) Gonzaga, so I really think he’s 1-0." - UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar, degrading the MMA credentials of title contender Shane Carwin. (Las Vegas Sun)

"He’s a tough guy and a wrestler. But he’s a Division II national champion — enough said." - Lesnar

"Brock is not good with math. Thankfully, the UFC and WWE have paid him enough money to get a math tutor." - Carwin, zing! (Heavy.com)

"I know I wasn’t walked through the front door of the UFC with people holding the door for me. I wasn’t fed fights that sell pay-per-views." - Carwin.  Instead, you were fed cans to build up your name.  Pot, kettle.

"They have trained hard, and to disrespect MMA fighters is disrespecting the sport of MMA." - Carwin.  Please politely take your holier-than-thou bullshit and get smashed.  Thanks.

DIRTY OLD EGG SUCKING DOG

"I even asked my dog how does he feel and my dog said, ‘Who the hell are you, I don’t know even know you no more. I don’t even know you, why you even talking to me?’ My dog just looked at me, licked his nose, lit up a fart and walked out my room." - Former UFC light heavyweight champ Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, detailing the amount of time he spends away from home as a fighter. (MMA Bay)

"But every time I shoot somebody I see Rashad’s face over and over, like I get to shoot Rashad thousands of times and it’s fun." - Jackson, should probably seek psychiatric help.

"Rampage, has he left? No. He's mad at me. We've gone back and forth with this movie thing, Rampage will fight." - UFC President Dana White (Opie and Anthony Show)

PARTING SHOTS

"So I think it was more that Herb Dean was afraid to lose his job, because there’s a lot of people with a lot of money that can have a lot of influence with his career." - Roy Nelson

"My goal in the future is of course to become UFC champion but I’m not in a rush." - Strikeforce light heavyweight champ Gegard Mousasi.  He'll be a UFC champ by the end of 2011. (MMA Convert)

"I basically made a statement saying that Marquardt and Anderson Silva are my next two fights regardless and I’ve got to beat them both to either become or stay the champ." - Former Pride middle- and welterweight champ Dan Henderson (Sherdog)

"The reality is, I hope Rogers doesn't knock Fedor out. Because I want to get Fedor in the UFC, I want to see him fight Brock Lesnar." - UFC President Dana White, talking sense. (Bloody Elbow)

"I acknowledge their major league status, financial power, the caliber of their fighters, but I do not consider them the number one. I think I am the better fighter and capable of beating their fighters." - Shinya Aoki, very weird and strange individual. (Dream Channel)

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Kimbo Slice, finding common ground with Jesus Christ.

Wow. Completely uncalled for.

Gentleman only, Ladies forbidden.

by brandonh on Oct 4, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gave me a chuckle

by mthel on Oct 4, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, the hold is called the crucifix, it’s inevitable jokes like that will be thrown around. and it was funny. be happy nelson didn’t win with kimbo in a rape choke.

by K Krush on Oct 4, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

More like hilarious.

by ChiCubs23 on Oct 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved it.

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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Oct 4, 2009 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

What was uncalled for was Big Country throwing Herb Dean under the bus.

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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Oct 4, 2009 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Oct 4, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Herb

does that all on his own,

If I stop a fight it’s because I believe a fighter’s not fighting back, because he can’t.
, correct me if I’m wrong, but with both arms pinned and not bucking or doing anything to get out from under Nelson is the definition of not fighting back, if it isn’t I don’t know what is.

by proflex on Oct 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He means that the fighter can’t fight back because they are hurt. It’s an excuse for sure. If he believed that, he wouldn’t have stopped it in the second round.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While there is

some truth to that, he should have stopped the fight in the first by his own reasoning. I won’t make any bones about it, I personally think Herb is one of the worst offenders out there for bad calls, but why did he decide to stop the fight in the second under the exact same conditions as the first, with half the blows landed. I truly don’t care that he said that there was close to four minutes left in the round. There is precedent to stop that fight in the first, regardless of how Kimbo got up so spryly. Herb has been incredibly lucky in the fact that he hasn’t gotten anyone injured yet, but if he keeps going at the pace he is, someone is going to get seriously injured. I don’t have the examples on the tip of my tongue, but if you go back and watch the fights he’s reffed, he’s had plenty of bad calls in judgment.

by proflex on Oct 4, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, for the most part. Either a fight should be stopped, or it shouldn’t. Time left in a round shouldn’t come into play (see: Carano vs Cyborg).

That said, ref’s do have discretion and I can understand why he wouldn’t want to stop a fight so close to the bell when no one is taking any real damage. I disagree with his decision, but I don’t dispute that it was his decision to make.

And, I’m honest enough to admit that if it was a fighter I like vs a fighter I dislike, I would have agreed with the non-stop :)

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is going to sound

somewhat contradictory, If I was Kimbo I wouldn’t want the fight stopped, and in all honesty there isn’t much damage being done to him at the end of the first, but Herbs judgment is suspect at best. I can’t count the number of times Herb lets people stay on the ground for far too long, or blows to the back of the head without warning or stand up. I think we’ve seen too many fights “decided” by the judges because Herb makes slow calls. I’m not trying to get on bash a ref rant, but Herb seems to put himself in these positions more often then not.

BTW love the sig, I used to watch the tick all the time.

by proflex on Oct 4, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Roy would have hit as hard as Cyborg Herb would’ve stopped the fight in the first.

by asa on Oct 4, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decided to stop reading after that first part, eh?

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope; just saying I think it would’ve be definitive and unquestioned. You made a good point regardless, just adding another opinion. There are multiple ones here.

by asa on Oct 6, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is this Jesus!? I think I missed the joke TOO!

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 4, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering that your 2 best non religious alternatives were Spartacus and 2 out 3 friends of Josephus, I think you made the right call.

by Jahbulon on Oct 4, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please politely take your holier-than-thou bullshit and get smashed. Thanks.

by Bradux on Oct 4, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. That's uncalled for and inaccurate.

Perhaps this is the wrong network for you?

by asa on Oct 4, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“They have trained hard, and to disrespect MMA fighters is disrespecting the sport of MMA.” – Carwin. Please politely take your holier-than-thou bullshit and get smashed. Thanks.

He’s quoting Mike Fagan.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still

The point is valid, regardless.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hooray!!! You're back!!!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'll rec that

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So will I…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[Waiting for staff to invoke Rule #4]

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis

What if we think it’s funny because it’s offensive?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brownie points for you then.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Oct 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Common Trait: They're Both Black

(OK, so technically Jesus would have been Middle Eastern, not truly ‘black’. However, neither are Caucasian, and since I’m white, it’s not like anyone expects me to know the difference anyway).

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ, for better or worse, is the most famous victim of crucifixion in the history of the world.

At least he was til last Wednesday.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 6, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lol'd

but here come the bible boppers…

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'09 is the year of the FW's.

by ElliotMatheny on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second that

Everything else was great like normal.

by Captain7 on Oct 5, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gentleman only, Ladies forbidden

I find this quote sexist.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 5, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Very well done.

Speaking of, my dad and I were making Ted Kennedy jokes at a wedding this weekend. Too soon?

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Oct 5, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Ted Kennedy jokes have to be timed from Chappaquidick, not his all-too-recent demise.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 6, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was hilarious.

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Oct 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Shane Carwin taking this super vanilla babyface stance? I want him to win, but he’s trying too hard to make himself the good guy and make Lesnar look like the bad guy to the point where it is just backfiring.

by chrisbboy82 on Oct 4, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know some guys are like that, maybe he is not trying to look any different than he really is. Would he be the irst one to hate BROCKLESNAR?

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 4, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The irst one…I like the sound of it, but I meant the first one.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Oct 4, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would that make Frank Mir the econd one? :)

by BNTHIS on Oct 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar does a good enough job making himself the heel.
Carwin probably is super vanilla, and just being himself.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve notice an amazing amount of people hating on Carwin, evidenced by the “JUST GET SMASHED ALREADY” notes up there. People’s opinions on Brock sure have turned around based on him beating Frank Mir of all people

by Jason H. on Oct 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Carwin is one of the Bashables, for sure.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s just that’s he’s so innocent & sincere with his Brock-hating, it comes off as phony – I don’t remember anyone bashing, criticizing, etc. him before he began bad-mouthing Brock.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course. Carwin is a Bashable, and Lesnar is an Untouchable.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are Aoki's comments about the UFC?

Also can Roy fight and not bitch. He fights Arlovski loses and bitches, fights Monson loses and bitches, fights Kimbo wins and bitches.

by bigdmmafan on Oct 4, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I should have added that.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Oct 4, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

roy seems very delusional about this fight. sorry roy, beating kimbo isn’t impressive and the way you did it was even less impressive. herb dean wasn’t afraid of losing his job (does the ufc hire referees or does the athletic commission appoint them?), he was embarrassed that he was going to have to stop the fight because of undefended, but ridiculously weak punches. a win is a win, no doubt, but that was some pretty weak shit roy, stop acting like you won the superbowl.

by K Krush on Oct 4, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, you must really hate Kimbo :(

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Modern times?

Does hate mean he doesn’t have ground skills now? This isn’t junior high, man :)

by asa on Oct 4, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he’s being a little crybaby here, but I really think there were legit complaints about the other two fights you mentioned

by Tedd Welch on Oct 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also can Roy fight and not bitch. He fights Arlovski loses and bitches, fights Monson loses and bitches, fights Kimbo wins and bitches.

The difference between him and you is the ‘fight’ part, I guess.

Complaining about complaining = juicy.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's fair

I dont fight and I dont pretend to. I have trained in the past but I’m not a fighter.

The thing is Roy Nelson wont be the first guy to think he got screwed over by a ref and he wont be the last but I do think he complains too much.

If this is right after the fight it’s one thing but to go on and on especially when you won I think is ridiculous.

by bigdmmafan on Oct 4, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My apologies. My reply was ruder than I should have given. Just a bit tired of the Roy bashing.

"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick

by mythbuster on Oct 4, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone got screwed...

…It was Wes Shivers. HE, if he complained, had a legitimate beef.

Roy does not.

by BNTHIS on Oct 5, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aoki is delusional

he’d get knocked out by Penn and Maynard, as well as lose to guys like Edgar and Griffin…. it’s easy for him to say he’d beat the ufc lightweights after saying he’d never fight there

by cagefightonacid on Oct 4, 2009 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Aoki would probably lose to Penn, but I’m not sure about Maynard. The last time Maynard fought someone of Aoki’s caliber in terms of jiu-jitsu for MMA, he got submitted. It was a long time ago, but he hasn’t fought anyone like that since.

by JRN on Oct 4, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s a much better wrestler, and has huge power, do u think aoki can get him down when nobody else can??

by cagefightonacid on Oct 4, 2009 11:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely! Flying guard pull, dude! Flying guard pull.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

melvin guillard would stay down there, not the top guys… purely speculative of course but it’s just my humble american bj penn bias opinion =)

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to ability to defend the flying guard pull, I take a guilty-until-proven-innocent approach.

But seriously, if it worked on J.Z., who is by all accounts a very big and strong LW, who knows who else it could work on? Say what you will about Aoki, but he keeps beating fighters that people think he shouldn’t.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JZ

is practically a freakin monster, and so is Alvarez. What happened to them?

Aoki back smothered the shit out of JZ, and heel hooked Eddie.

The thing about Aoki is that even though he’s 1 dimensional, he’s very good at making people deal with that 1 dimension.

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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 5, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look, I’ll be real, Im bias towards the ufc. I believe they have a deeper and more consistent pool of fighters that constantly fight each other and fall into place where they may. and until jz, eddie, kawajiri AND aoki fight in the ufc or maybe strikeforce I won’t be convinced especially when they are constantly being fed lower quality competition.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

[Aoki] is very good at making people deal with that 1 dimension.

That’s what we said about Maia…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and it’s still true. I don’t think one flash KO is a referendum on his entire fighting style.

It’s also worth noting that Aoki hasn’t been KOed standing, despite fighting some real heavy-handed standup-minded guys, since 2004.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aoki has been finished with strikes on 3 seperate occasions. that’s enough for me to be convinced. like i said, this is all speculative opinion and we won’t ever know because shinya has made it clear that he won’t fight for the big bad evil ufc

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Convinced of what? That he can be finished via strikes? So can BJ Penn, Kenny Florian, Sean Sherk, and Joe Stevenson. And hey, Aoki’s never been submitted, but Florian, Stevenson, Clay Guida, and Nate Diaz all have. Tyson Griffin has lost twice as many decisions as Aoki! I’m convinced! Of… something!

Not to mention that one of Aoki’s TKO losses was in his second fight in a single night, which never happens in the UFC, and the other recent one was from a knee to the head on the ground, which is illegal in the UFC. But go ahead, keep reaching for reasons to discredit the guy.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not trying to discredit him

i never said he’s not talented and never did i take a win away from him…. don’t take this so personal. i won’t believe aoki would be successful in the ufc until i see it. end of story for me.
it’s funny how you say that those guys can be knocked out when penn, stevenson and florian never have been, but go on to say aoki’s never been submitted like he couldn’t be.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s funny how you say that those guys can be knocked out when penn, stevenson and florian never have been, but go on to say aoki’s never been submitted like he couldn’t be.

Penn got TKOd by Matt Hughes. Stevenson got KO’d by Jens Pulver. Florian got TKO’d by Diego Sanchez. My point was not to say that Aoki can’t be submitted, but rather to point out that a fighter having losses of a particular kind on their record doesn’t necessarily speak to their quality.

Implying that Aoki having been stopped on strikes in his career is enough to convince you that he couldn’t make it in the UFC, which by your own account is the real proving ground for LW fighters, seem like reaching to discredit him to me.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you seen any of those fights?? none of those guys were out cold. granted, i wasn’t clear on that.

rather to point out that a fighter having losses of a particular kind on their record doesn’t necessarily speak to their quality

i agree with you.
but as i’ve said FOUR times now, it’s my opinion! i’m not reaching for anything. i believe strongly aoki would not do well in the ufc.
let’s agree to disagree, otherwise this will never end.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying they’d defend a flying guard pull, just that they’d stand up… I can’t think of a time when someone couldn’t physically stand up from someones guard

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Then you’re not thinking very hard.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, refresh my memory???

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think about it this way: if it was that easy to just stand up from guard, why would any fighter ever pull guard? Why would any striker end up in any grappler’s guard for more than a few seconds? Why would fighters with famously dangerous guards—Aoki, Nogeuira, Diaz, Maia etc. etc. etc.—be remotely successful? Because their opponents are idiots who forgot that they can just stand up?

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no. many of the opponents to the guys you named (maia, diaz, etc) said in prefight interviews that they don’t believe the hype about their abilities, ex. sonnen, macdonald, quarry…. can you name an instance where someone was trying to stand up and couldn’t?? relying on a flying guard pull to earn a submission is a lot to bank on. listen, like i’ve said twice, we’ll never know due to the stance of aoki about fighting in the ufc

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When trying to just stand up goes wrong:

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i remember this. look, all i’m saying is that it’s a lot to rely on when everybody knows what aoki is going to try to do, and it isn’t a common thing to see a guy unable to get up.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be a lot to rely on, yeah. But it served him well in the past, in another fight not a lot of people thought he had a chance to win.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BROCKLESNAR agrees

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Oct 6, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really the same thing… he was already standing

by cagefightonacid on Oct 6, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i tend to think aoki would be smoked pretty badly in the UFC by most of the top lightweights. the game is totally different over here.

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by GregS123 on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when do we ever disagree?!

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He would definitely be hampered by 5-minute rounds and more frequent standups. I don’t know about elbows—people always talk about elbows as though they’re this huge game-changer, and I’m not convinced. But yeah, he’s got a style that seems tailor-made for PRIDE rules. People tend to hold that against him, but I don’t see one or the other rule set as definitive of fighter quality.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What fight are you talking about? Maynard hasn’t lost in his professional career and from wikipedia it says he is 1-0 as an amateur as well.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Diaz fight on TUF.

In any case, he’s never fought anyone of Aoki’s caliber in jiu-jitsu as a pro.

by JRN on Oct 5, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Roy acts so bitchy because..

….well….It’s that time of the month for him. LMAO! :)

by BNTHIS on Oct 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But seriously....

…Can he be happy that he won without complaining for a change? I know many here are fans of his but his constant complaining is going to turn his fanbase against him one of these days.

by BNTHIS on Oct 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

attn fagan!!

which div. do u think gegard will be champ of at 2011??

by cagefightonacid on Oct 4, 2009 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Any one he wants. :)

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Oct 5, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

think he’d beat lyoto?? Anderson is “retired” I assume.

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking about this makes my nips hard, but

hows about Mousasi v. Bones at the Ultimate 2010 end-of-year show in… wait for it… wait for it….

Madison Square Garden.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 5, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

is he really that great?
sorry for my ignorance because i havent seen him fight except the last fight against babalu

by CC11 on Oct 5, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be honest, I love gegard, but I think he was losing against jacare until the upkick, and outside of that he’s been pretty solid

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not that great but you how it works: “people love him, so we love him too”…
With that said, he’s definitely not an average fighter…

by dancingChicken on Oct 5, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-I can’t wait to see Gegard in the UFC.
-Aoki talks a lot of shit and gets away with it because of his modest appearance.
-Carwin is such a contrived protagonist, it’s engaging my gag reflex.
-Nelson has a pretty amazing sense of self-entitlement for a guy that needs TUF to get into the UFC.
-I agreed with Herb Dean’s initial continuation, because Roy was slapping Kimbo’s dome like a bongo.
-LOLZ @ crucifix joke.
-Rampage might really retire if he gets a phone call from Judd Apatow.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 5, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

Go Twins.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Oct 5, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed in full

by cagefightonacid on Oct 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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