Lyoto Machida Needs Surgery, Rematch With Mauricio "Shogun" Rua Postponed
by Kid Nate on Oct 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
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Dave Meltzer brings the news about Machida:
UFC officials have confirmed that Lyoto Machida will need surgery on one of his hands, thus delaying the planned (light heavyweight) championship rematch with Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4). Machida injured his hand during his controversial win over Rua during UFC 104 Saturday in Los Angeles.
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White was hopeful to get the rematch in as soon as Jan. 2, when the company has one of its traditional major events of the year at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Rua had agreed to the date, but Machida's surgery eliminates whatever slim possibility there was that he would be fully recovered and ready in time for that date. Right now, it is not known when the fight would be able to take place.
Machida's injury means that four of the five UFC champions are out of commission:
- Heavyweight Champ Brock Lesnar: UFC 106 bout with Shane Carwin postponed until UFC 108 due to flu.
- Light heavyweight Champ Lyoto Machida: out for hand surgery, return date unknown.
- Middleweight champ Anderson Silva: out for elbow surgery, bout with Vitor Belfort remains unscheduled.
- Welterweight champ Georges St Pierre: torn adductor muscle, may be out until March 2010.
- Lighweight champ B.J. Penn: healthy will defend his title against Diego Sanchez at UFC 107.
The UFC has already had multiple fall cards hampered by injuries and disputes with fighters. They will have a lot of cards to fill in the winter and spring of 2010 and with 4/5 of their champs out of commission it won't be easy to do.
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thus delaying the planned middleweight championship rematch with Mauricio “Shogun” Rua
For professional articles, I catch tons of mistakes in these things. Do they just try and get the main idea out as fast as possible so they can be the first?
by ChiCubs23 on Oct 31, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
probably
but it’s not that bad, even article in newspapers which are proof read have mistakes.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to his defense
in pride it would’ve been middleweight?
by amadeus on Oct 31, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, yeah
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Professional?
As good as articles as these guys write and job they do with the site on the whole – this is like, their second and third job. I think we can be a little forgiving for minor oversights, it’s not like they’re lawyers (Rome excluded) who need to dot every t and cross every i or the world will explode.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Oct 31, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was actually Meltzer's mistake
but I should have caught it and fixed it. meant to but forgot in my hurry to get my kid to music class.
thanks for speaking up for BE though! We are doing this as a hobby.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh…I see what he’s getting at (professional re: Meltzer) which is far more understandable, so apologies on my end to ChiCubs.
But my pleasure – for all of the entertainment/info/coverage and enjoyment I/we get out of BE, I’m very inclined to (a) give the benefit of the doubt on minor things like that; and (b) stand up for guys who are doing this out of passion and for little to no monetary gain.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does you kid play?
..I only know how to play with my Organ. (okay too much info?) hahaha :P
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 1, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to bring in the 135s, 145s, and maybe a cruiserweight…
Not necessarily a serious suggestion, but you know someone at ZUFFA is thiking it.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Oct 31, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of injured fighters….
by ufc4 on Oct 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the obligatory “He’s just trying to keep his belt longer” post.
(/sarcasm)
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Oct 31, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, this sucks, but I want a healthy Machida vs a healthy Shogun, their next fight cannot have anyone going less than 100% to put this to rest easy. I hope they give Shogun another top LHW until their rematch (but still give him a title shot when Machida is back at 100% if he keeps on winning). It’s time to grow Shogun’s fanbase, people have been missing out on the work of a great athlete.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What of Shogun is defeated in his match or gets hurt while waiting for his rematch with Lyoto? It would be too risky. Shogun should just wait for his next title shot and not pull a Rampage and fight Keith Jardine.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only way Shogun will lose
is if the judges don’t watch him fight again :P
But he can get injured, but it’s a risk he should take. Now is the perfect time to grow his fanbase, when his rematch comes around he’ll have more fans in his side and that helps a fighter in the ring too.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just plain frustrating for Shogun.
by cauliflower_ears on Oct 31, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And somehow people will still think Shogun has been "robbed" of a title shot because Lyoto needs surgery.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 31, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not I
Just more proof that Lyoto got his ass kicked :)
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A hand injury has absolutely nothing to do with getting your ass kicked. It’s one of those unpredictable injuries that is bound to happen to anyone when you punch things with a great deal a force wearing only small gloves.
The injury may have hampered Machida’s ability to fight at 100%. Just one more thing to add to the list of possibilities of why Machida didn’t perform like we are accustomed to seeing him perform.
by Niles on Oct 31, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true, if the medical suspension report did not say anything about a hand injury, this means Machida was not feeling anything wrong with his hands until the next day or so. Try not to make too many excuses for Machida’s performance, the reason he looked so human and vulnerable is because of Shogun.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just being sarcastic to mess with Anton.
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like you messed with them, not me. haha :)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 31, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yea. I've got my flame shield equipped though.
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, the UFC is cursed for real...
“Yamma yamma yamma yammmma…”
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't know what's worse
That you made a Police Academy Sequel joke, or that I got the joke.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think yours is worse, I didn’t get it until you mentioned it :P
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rep my nerdiness proudly, son.
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Farthammer, you weren’t the only one that got it, you’re not alone. Everybody else who got it is either too scared to admit it, or just to embarrassed to admit it, either way it’s not just you.
by proflex on Oct 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:o
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAMMA?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They received the curse when they gave Chris Tuchscherer a contract.
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony
@deowade
by Deo Wade on Oct 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is supposed to be back in Jan
I think Anderson will be back as soon as he wants to be. If he gets the fight or money he wants he’ll fight.
Everything I’ve read says GSP will be back by Feb.
And I’d think Machida would be read by spring.
It seems that the timeline will fall perfectly baring a setback.
Brock and Anderson in Jan.
GSP Feb
Machida March
Randy/Penn/Forrest/Tito all ready by spring. I don’t see any big issues.
by swells2048 on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa needs to fold in the WEC right now. Good for everyone.
by kenpoboy67 on Oct 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They announce the return of the Iceman...
Mark my words… :)
With a big list of their better drawing fighters going down to injury or illness.. Iceman is in pretty good shape from his DWTS.. All he needs is about 4-6 weeks to get a training camp in and he could get a fight to headline a card..
Maybe give him his Jardine rematch or a lower tier fighter to give him a chance to get back in the win column and appease his desire to fight again…
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Oct 31, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Coleman is also injured, but i have a feeling it's going to be Coleman vs Iceman
in one of the cards that they’ll be needing a headliner / co-headliner
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 31, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cancel tito/ forrest and do Tito/ Iceman
I think Tito is going to be a monster this time around though, if all of what he’s saying about his injury is true
by amadeus on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Believing what Tito says is like believing what Dana White says, take it all with a grain of salt.
First our pleasures die - and then Our hopes, and then our fears - and when These are dead, the debt is due, Dust claims dust - and we die too.
by Pennywise on Oct 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Truth
If Tito was really injured all these years, he would have that taken care of a long time ago.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Tito really needs to fix is his head…
If it gets any bigger he wont be able to walk.
First our pleasures die - and then Our hopes, and then our fears - and when These are dead, the debt is due, Dust claims dust - and we die too.
by Pennywise on Oct 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you question the integrity of his injury ??
The guy had the surgery done.. It was serious enough to warrant the surgery so therefor it was a legit injury..
I take it you may have never thrown your back out or done serious heavy weight training using your back & lower body ??
You can still function to a certain degree, but your range of motion is severely limited and your recovery time from activity is severely lengthened. When your disc’s degenerate to the point they were with him, you’ve become so accustomed to the pain that comes with it that you forget what “normal & healthy” felt like.
I spent a year and half in a chiropractic office rehabilitating my back and feet. I trained for over a year in pain and played a 4 month season of mens basketball with bulging discs and plantar fasciitis in both feet.. I would have to pop ibuprofen’s like candy after a session or game.. Then it took me surgery and 18 months to rehab my injuries before I could walk and lift normal again.. This is common in many competitive athletes….
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Oct 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it bothered him that much, he should have taken care of it long ago. Since it didn’t, he didn’t. Some fighters have nagging injuries throughout their career, are these nagging injuries enough to change how the fight will play out? I don’t think they could, if they did, they’d get it taken cared of ASAP.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t fought for a year and a half, what do you think he’s been doing?
by ufc4 on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Training for his boxing match with Roy Jones Jr.
First our pleasures die - and then Our hopes, and then our fears - and when These are dead, the debt is due, Dust claims dust - and we die too.
by Pennywise on Oct 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why say that ever since he took the belt he didn’t fight at 100%?
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were we not talking about Tito?
by ufc4 on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lol maybe, I’m tired and I keep going back and forth talking about Tito and Silva, I could have easily gotten confused.
First our pleasures die - and then Our hopes, and then our fears - and when These are dead, the debt is due, Dust claims dust - and we die too.
by Pennywise on Oct 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow this link
to Tito’s Myspace page. His profile pic is an xray of his back, with pins in it. Gotta count for something. Tito’s Myspace
Welcome to the Machida Error.
by slapjaw ackrite on Oct 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
I’m not saying he didn’t have surgery, I’m saying it couldn’t have been that bad since he waited so long to have it.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you have all that metal drilled into your spine if it wasn’t that bad?
Dammit orcus you’re making me defend Tito fucking Ortiz, that’s not cool.
by ufc4 on Oct 31, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
sorry brother, you didn’t have to get into this conversation…
but I’m no doctor, I wouldn’t know if metal drilled into your spine is really that bad (things sometimes are not as painful as they look). Spine is sure a very fragile thing, but how can we know how bad something was without any medical background (I’m guessing you’re no doctor either)?
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Anderson is playing these games...
or else they could have saved their schedule. Why did it take less than a week for Lyoto to decide on surgery and it’s taking Anderson 2 months? Oh yeah, because Anderson has been lying about his injury, one way or another. Either it’s healthy or not, but he has told us both.
by TDITZ on Oct 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You think A. Silva is playing games ??
It was a surgery he could have gone on without, his injury wasn’t debilitating, just aggravating.. He had been postponing it for some time.. He got the surgery. There is no doubt about that.
The only game that’s being played is them waiting on their Dr.‘s medical clearance to get back to full training & to make sure they’ll have enough time to get a full training camp in before a fight with such a dangerous opponent. If he was fighting another Thales Leites caliber fighter I don’t think you would have heard to much from anyone.. Thing’s like that seem to go unnoticed for the majority of the time..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Oct 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the elbow, he and his management were playing games earlier on. Did he get surgery, or didn’t he? He did. No he didn’t. Then he finally did. Yes, he’s had surgery for sure. I remember there being a lot of confusion. Brent summed it up in his post about how Silva ruined the MW division:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/10/21/1094962/how-anderson-silva-ruined-the
Silva and his camp have proven they are not above playing games if necessary, in order to get their way. I also believe, as do others, that he’s thrown temper tantrums in the past regarding the Roy Jones thing and money in general.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/4/21/847169/anderson-silva-vs-roy-jones-junior
Look, I’m not against anyone doing their best to earn the most money possible. If Hendo wants more money? Good for him. If Silva wants big money fights? Good for him. As a working stiff, I get it. But you can’t deny that he’s been up to shenanigans.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Oct 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note: Now that the Lesnar fight was pushed back to the same NYE card that Silva was to fight Belfort on, you probably won’t be hearing any more games from Silva’s camp. That’s a big money PPV that Silva will get to enjoy a big part of.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Oct 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW -
I listened to Machida’s advice and I watched the fight without sound , blindfolded , and after a big cup of my own pee , and hell yeah when you watch it like that you can clearly see that Machida won.
by JoelMan on Oct 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP likely has torn ADDUCTOR muscle
I doubt it is a torn abductor muscle…adductor muscles are in the groin and abductor muscles are lateral hip muscles (gluteus medius etc)
Wags
by DocWagner on Oct 31, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good catch
fixed.
thanks!
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by Kid Nate on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little trick from anatomy class to remember them:
Your ADDuctor – ADDs the leg to the sagittal plane (to the body generally).
Your ABDUCTor – ABDUCTs (takes away) the leg from the sagittal plane (away from the body generally).
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by The_Gaijin on Oct 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/removes nerd glasses
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Oct 31, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My worst fear. This shit is gonna fizzle out like Cerrone/Varner. Such a damn shame Rua doesn’t have the title he rightfully won right now.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True, it could fizzle...
and I want to see the fight now… but don’t you think there’s the possiblity of a Cro Cop-Fedor situation, where the anticipation reaches a fever pitch? This is why I think the reward may outweight the risk of giving Shogun someone to eat in the time being. While I hate protecting fighters, I don’t think he should be fighting someone of the Rashad Evans caliber because of the risk involved there. But, what about an upper-end gatekeeper like Franklin? Either way, I don’t think you should ice Shogun while the iron is hot.
If only it were Pride and we could throw him a Yuki Kondo to munch on…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You continually saying Rua won the fight won’t make it true.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t be mad. =)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 31, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I be mad? The right guy has the belt around his waist and a perfect record =D
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mehchida got an early Christmas present. =) I was actually looking forward to this fight so I can finally jump on the bandwagon because he was supposed to dismantle Shogun. Too bad that now with this last fight I dislike him even more. He’s lucky he has Ed Soares as his manager. If this fight happens within the next 6 months or ever at all I’ll be shocked.
Eventually Shogun will get anxious to fight again and something will happen where these 2 never meet. So lame. Hey, you enjoy that “perfect” record.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The important thing is orcus now realizes Machida is a god and the wonderful affects of drinking urine.
by ufc4 on Oct 31, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Nov 1, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rematches suck (esp instant rematches)
Now, I understand and support the case for a quick rematch in this particular case. But I’m not entirely disappointed to see this fight postponed.
In the meantime, Rua should absolutely take a fight against a Top 10 fighter no less. Just because he had a close loss in his title shot (or even if you consider that a close win), it doesn’t justify “protecting” him. If he can’t handle Top 10 competition, what business does he have fighting for the belt?
Let’s remember that Rua was rushed toward a shot due to external circumstances (drama with Rampage, TUF, etc). A loss to Griffin, followed by wins over Coleman and Iceman does justify a title shot, if only feebly. It wouldn’t hurt for him to earn his shot by scoring another high level win.
For example, Rua could take on the winner of Couture-Vera, especially if Vera wins. That would be a cool fight. The winner gets a title shot (could Vera be denied after stringing together 4 wins, including over Couture and Rua?)
The winners of Griffin-Ortiz and Evans-T.Silva could then face each other for the next shot at the title.
by klown on Oct 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With Machida out there are several ways that the UFC could go about things in the next couple of months.
1. They could have an interim LHW title match between Shogun and another top LHW possibly the winner of Couture/Vera.
2. They could just delay it and keep on schedule putting the rematch off unitl March either way while it sucks it should still be a couple of very interesting months for the LHW division.
by Raker on Oct 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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