Quote of the Day: Shogun Talks UFC 104 Main Event Judges
by Luke Thomas on Oct 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
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"I got really sad with that result but happy by the impact...I train hard, and every round, my corner told me to be calm because I was winning. Once I was winning, I decided to not expose myself and enter into Lyoto’s game. If I got more aggressive, I would have entered into Lyoto’s game and taken unnecessary risks, just like all his previous opponents did. I used the right tactics and I will probably do the same in the rematch."
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"When the fight was over, I talked with many people, including [UFC President] Dana White. Everybody said I won, except the three judges, but they’d rather give the win to Lyoto," Rua said. "It’s so bad to loose a battle like that for interest of other people."
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"I was not aggressive enough? You just have to look at my face and his face after the fight...He didn’t kick me one single time. I just got some knee butts. He has a broken rib, a deep cut in his mouth and could not even walk after the fight. I hit him twice as much, but the UFC judges analyzed some different aspects that I don’t really understand. I’m very upset. Actually, I cannot consider my last fight a loss."
-- Mauricio "Shogun" Rua talking to Sherdog.com about his controversial unanimous decision loss to Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida for the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship at UFC 104
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Yep , Shogun is da man
I hope he kicks Machida’s ass in the rematch .
by JoelMan on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Affirmative.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At last
An unbiased observer. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, Machida didn’t land anything. That’s why Ruas whole chest was red.
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by toxic on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats also why his face was swollen up after the fight
by CC11 on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you both blind? Or just not bothering to read?
“He didn’t kick me one single time”
??
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he’s not half Japanese, he’s 100% Brazilian
Guess we’re back at not agreeing with each other :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
Did you respond to the wrong comment?
And if he’s 100% Brazililian, then 町田 嘉三 must be a much more common name in Brazil than I had been aware!
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the right comment. Brazilian and Japanese aren’t races you know, they’re nationalities. You can be asian, black, white, whatever, if you were born here, you are Brazilian…
BTW, the language is different, so 町田 嘉三 would be called Matida Kazou (and yes, Matida is a common name).
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOOK UP AND SEE WHICH COMMENT YOU RESPONDED TO.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
wtf happened there? I just realized what you are talking about, it was for one of your comments below:
If this were PRIDE
Machida would have won for being half Japanese.
my apologies, but the comment is still to the right author.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-P
You can say that Japanese isn’t a race, but I don’t think the Japanese would agree. What the Brazilians think is immaterial, since we’re talking about what would happen in PRIDE.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, one thing that I’ve noticed though is that I have talked to a few Japanese people who stated to me that Japanese born outside of Japan are not considered Japanese (as in 100% Japanese), this was their perspective on the issue, so I don’t know if it’s really true, but it’s what I gather.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it’s not like PRIDE judging makes that much sense to begin with. So “Dude with a dad from Japan” vs. “Dude with a Japanese word for a nickname” seems simple to judge.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you’re right, but me personally, I never saw the judging in Pride as being biased. The refereeing was sometimes biased, but I was ok for the most part with the judges and their decisions.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough already...
Really, hasn’t this issue been discussed enough…ad nauseum.
Wags
by DocWagner on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you don't like the discussion
you can always ignore it…
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets be considerate here :)
Maybe he’s on a laptop with one of those stupid touch pads that makes scrolling past it impossibly annoying?
by asa on Oct 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
than I take it back
I can relate lol. the funny thing is that after my laptop is on for two hours the fucking scroll stops working, the mouse works but the bar for the scroll on the pad stops, and it’s fucking painful!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the last line of that has almost as much impact as the body kicks he thew
war shogun at all times
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
At this point I no longer care about Saturday’s fight. I’m just looking forward to the rematch!
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by pud333 on Oct 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“It’s so bad to loose a battle like that for interest of other people.”
Sounds like he has a conspiracy theory. Poor Shogun
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he has a point though
If the judges were not drinking the kool-aid, how the hell did they score that?
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were talking about how a lot of money probably flowed to Machida and a Shogun win would have made a lot of bookies unhappy
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that's not what Shogun is implying
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note: could be an iffy translation, no?
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
by woomikee on Oct 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could, but his manager seems to translate quite well, but I think what Shogun meant is that the judges were biased on the hype of Machida, there was an interview in the beginning of the week where he said this.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By not having to hear the commentary.
by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By watching the fight and giving rounds to the person they thought won the round.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry friend
they were hyped on Machidaness!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is…I have yet to see any two people agree about the first 3 rounds. They were extremely close, and I have heard people say there is no way Machida won round X while someone else says there is no way Rua won round X. The judges had the best seats and were the closest to the action.
I really wanna know what the hell was up with Rogan during that fight…
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by iiowyn on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan is biased
this we know, but the thing about not seeing two people agree on the first three rounds is relevant, the judges should not have scored it all to Machida. What gets me the most is that it was a unanimous decision, two of the score cards were identical. If there are so many disagreement on the fight outside the cage, there should be some with the judges as well. Usually on close calls, we do see the fights scored differently.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I can't resist either...:)
I think Rogan’s commentary was biased towards Shogun on the basis of Joe’s surprise at Shogun’s effectiveness. I don’t think Rogan favors Shogun in general, as he has raved about Machida since before the Soku fight. However, Shogun himself told Tatame after rewatching the fight that he thought Machida won round 2 and 3 by a close margin. So in Shogun’s mind it came down to round one. And round 1 was close, but clearly for Machida in my watching. How one judge gave Machida round 4, I do not understand either. So…uncertainty principle? Quantum universe/s? Game theory? Model agnoticism? Shocking that what is obvious to each of us, though we all disagree, didn’t somehow form into cold hard fact when viewed through the perfect super computers that are MMA judges. Can’t wait for the next one!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As is clearly shown on the fight footage, Shogun’s head goes back, and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left…and so clearly the shots can only come from the grass-using troll that is Cecil Peoples… ;)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two of the judges agreed on the first two rounds. : )
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
by Day Man on Oct 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch it again. Rogan gives Machida his props more than you think.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screaming “Another Leg Kick!” while SHogun is stumbling back from Lyoto’s counter is not giving him props.
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by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHOGUN!
the un-official Pride and UFC LHW Champion!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rua beat Machida down.
I wish the American judging took total damage done in the fight into account.
by Td9d on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do too, but they judge these things round by round. If this was Pride, Shogun would have definitly gotten the W.
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by pud333 on Oct 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this were pride....
Machida won the first 10 min round… so that’s weighted pretty heavy.
by adamdd on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this were PRIDE
Machida would have won for being half Japanese.
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by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was Pride, who knows who would have won because the whole system would be suspect.
by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was Pride they would have different strategies (at least Machida).
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trip → soccer kick to the head.
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by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference of fighting not to lose and fighting to win
You can’t always just go by how damaged a fighter is… especially in a 5 round fight. For instance, early on Shogun landed leg kicks, however those didn’t really pay off until the 4th and 5th round. It’s hard to score leg kicks to be so much when they don’t help until later. Everytime that Rua was throwing leg kicks and body kicks he was also getting tagged in the face by a combination. I’ve rewatched the fight now 3 times and I score the first 3 rounds for Machida every time. Machida was looking to end the fight very often where as Rua just implemented a good plan and definitely afflicted damage. You can’t say “look at him after the fight” because that’s now how you judge it. I mean, what happens if you get your ribs broken and can hardly walk but land a knock out shot in the final round? There’s nothing wrong with getting your ass kicked winning a fight. You know… I think RUA said it right there. He got comfortable thinking he was on top of the score cards and faught not to lose. Instead f fighting to win like machida.
by adamdd on Oct 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did not see machida fighting to win in round 3-5 lol.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was constantly looking to land knockout shots
It’s just that Shogun has a great chin and didn’t get too phased. A lot of those shots would have hurt a lot of people.
by adamdd on Oct 30, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just that Shogun has a great chin and didn’t gettoophased.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I thought he was almost entirely defensive for rounds 4-5
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why likely they gave it to Machida
They probably thought Shogun was completely lost as to how finish Machida.
His corner kept telling him he was winning and not to risk getting drawn into Machida’s counter-striking trap. No one should ever ever listen to that advice in any fight anywhere ever. I’ve never heard it in a single winner interview that I can recall.
by asa on Oct 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
Leg kicks, like those employed by Rua are an awesome tool for setting up a finish later in the fight…he just forgot to stick with that plan and go for the finish.
by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should still get points for it
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he did, just not as many as Machida did for his attacks that were trying to stop the fight.
Its like running the ball in football, it doesn’t always score points, but it tires out the defense so you can take advantage of them late in the game.
Continuing this analogy, Rua ran the ball allot in the first three rounds, but mainly kicked field goals in the last two instead of touchdowns and putting the game away.
by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look, I can agree to a point, that if they scored more points for Machida when he countered the leg kicks with punches that’s fine (I don’t agree with it, but I can accept it). The problem is that many of Shogun’s kicks were unanswered, they should count for more points!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Rounds 4-5 Shogun was probably trying to minimize his risk by not exposing himself too much and ride out the decision win, since his corner was telling him that he had it in the bag.
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by pud333 on Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly…. that’s why leg kicks are great, but you can’t knock someone out with leg kicks. So if you are going to utilize leg kicks for scoring, you have to utilize what you setup as a result of hitting with them.
by adamdd on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can finish fights with leg kicks...
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can KO someone with leg kicks… well, you can in K-1.
What would happen in MMA if someone couldn’t stand up and the other guy wouldn’t go to the ground to finish it?
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by toxic on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see below :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can rarely finish fights with leg kicks…
by CC11 on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and just this morning when I was researching for videos on Mario Miranda, I found this
it happens, and it’s not a rarity. My point though is that it should include points for leg kicks, just because Machida didn’t fall down than the leg kicks doesn’t count? He was limping in round 4+5, they should definitely count.
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I’ve been watching MMA now fairly religiously for about 2 1/2 years, as well as going back and watching hundreds of fights in pride and in the UFC. Out of hundreds of fights there are maybe two or three that I’ve seen that were finished with leg kicks. In the UFC, this year and last, including all the events, how many fights were stopped with leg kicks? I can’t think of a single one. I didn’t see the Vera stoppage until the other day.
While you’re correct that it does happen, saying it isn’t a rarity is a stretch of the imagination, and by and large any MMA fighter knows that in order to stop their opponent they’re going to have to go to the head, or at least the body if you’re really badass.
by Dooda on Oct 30, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a rarity, if you haven’t seen it you’re not looking hard enough
and large any MMA fighter knows that in order to stop their opponent they’re going to have to go to the head, or at least the body if you’re really badass.
jeez, legs are part of your body :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardonk finished 2 or 3 fights by leg kicks KO. Houston Alexander recently finished Pendergrast by leg kicks. There are few, but not against top competition.
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is, should they or shouldn’t they count for points?
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
than
we are on the same page :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should definitely count for points.
And they probably already do, just rightfully not as many points as a punch to the face that has a much higher percentage chance to finish the fight.
And this is the way it should be.
by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they should, they do damage. But it’s rare that they finish fights. You rarely ever see it, and when you do it’s mostly against cans.
by Dooda on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LEG KICKS should be counted for POINTS
they do damage so THEY MUST BE COUNTED… how simple is that? this is combative sports which is all about inflicting damage.
if hitting someone with their shoulders make damages then it should be counted as well.
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by chopstickthugz on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meant for that
to be a reply to adamdd, not orcus
by JayKim41 on Oct 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Patt? I could KO the old woman from the grocery store with leg kicks, but it doesn’t mean shit.
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right because old women are equal to Mike Patt!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked like bald old woman!
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to make things clear. I agree with you about leg kicks, but example with bums like are silly.
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just try not to call fighter’s bums :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'cause
Mike Patt can probably break me into pieces if he wants to :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are talking about cream de la cream of MMA. Mike Patt is more like ketchup of MMA. He doesn’t stand a chance against you…
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I’ll come up to him one day and call him a pussy and see if you are right :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it at the end of a fight when both guys raise their arms trying to sell the win
by yin hsiung on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
while one looked like he wanted to take a nap and the other was ready for another round!
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
Shogun won’t be nervous like he seemed before the fight and will actually be confindent in the next one, while Machida will know in his mind that he got beat. Once he starts feeling those leg kicks again his world will come crashing down. This better be in Vegas and with 3 different judges. Especially no Doc Hamilton. Not giving Shogun the 4th is insanity.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shogun was pretty calm though before the fight, he never bought into the hype or didn’t care really. I think he was pretty confident :P
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by orcus on Oct 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I guess I could say I meant cautios not nervous. He knows what he’s dealing with now and I think he will know when to go for the kill next time. When has Machida ever switched up his gameplan? Never because he hasnt had to and when he gets in there he will revert back to his old ways like most other fighters and get his legs and body chewed up. Shogun will know when to press now. Like in this last fight he should have pressed the action in the last round and tried to finish. Machida was done.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy your delusions friend ^^
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if we’re delusional, I think 99% of the community would also be delusional. While 1% of you guys are sane… talk about delusions eh? hehe
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by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida will know in his mind that he got beat. Once he starts feeling those leg kicks again his world will come crashing down
This is the delusional part. Believing Shogun won the fight is not a delusion, just an opinion on a very close fight that could have gone either way.
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by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah come on, we’re just having fun :P
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by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
War Shogun LWH champ! I love reading his interviews…. he is always humble but assertive and smart…..
by Swordstorm on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
War Shogun!
Good to see that the loss hasn’t psyched him out and that he also sees it as if he won the fight (because he did). :)
by grein on Oct 30, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As posted earlier, Cecil Peoples claimed that Machida scored points by stuffing Rua’s takedown attempts. According to FightMetric, Rua attempted 4 takedowns over the course of the entire fight and did not succeed once. I don’t know what a judges’ actual score sheet looks like round per round, but if what Peoples’ said is true, Machida would have won the “grappling” component in every round despite getting beat up on the feet. That could have been the difference right there. It sucks since Rua did beat him up.
by pharmboy on Oct 30, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Shogun’s comments here are pretty understandable, and they’re fairly respectable to Machida, which I appreciate. He thought he won the fight, which is understandable, and he doesn’t take too much away from Machida. He’s wrong though about not going after him in Rd 5. In his own words, he could barely walk, so his counters obviously weren’t going to be that dangerous.
I don’t think anything was a conspiracy theory, but more that he just thinks he was screwed over.
by Dooda on Oct 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“If I got more aggressive, I would have entered into Lyoto’s game and taken unnecessary risks, just like all his previous opponents did. I used the right tactics and I will probably do the same in the rematch.”
You hear that Iole? He was talking about you.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen this fight over and over and over. I think the judges gave Machida the benefit of the doubt with all the offense he was throwing. He was missing a bunch and a lot of them were glancing as to where Shogun was really landing and landing hard.
Rd1 Machida 10-9, definately
Rd2 Draw, might as well give it to the Machida 10-9.
Rd3 Shogun 10-9, Machida has a late flurry but only gets about 3 glancing shots in where Shogun got a power punch in and landed more throughout the round.
R4 Shogun no doubt
Rd 5 Shogun again no doubt. Machida was crippled and disheartened. You could tell with his head hanging down he thought he was going to lose. He in fact did get beat that night but recieved a gift decision which IMO is probably the biggest robbery ever in MMA becuase of the magnitude of the fight. Such a shame, I feel really bad for Shoguna didn’t like seeing him crying backstage after the fight.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a robbery. It was so close, it could have gone either way. It all hangs on round 1, as far as I’m concerned, and I had given it to Machida, but if it had gone Shogun’s way, I wouldn’t be surprised or angered by it. If anything, that first round could also be a 10-10 round, and in that case, it’s a draw and Machida keeps the belt.
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by pud333 on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not gonna get into robbery not a robbery anymore. Shogun won that fight. He won more rounds, he did more damage and defeated his opponent to the point of immobility but doesn’t have the belt to show for it because the judges gave Lyoto the benefit of the doubt. A ton of his strikes were not landing and the ones that did never hurt Rua. The majority of fight fans know Shogun won. You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe.
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can think whatever you want to think, the reality is that Lyoto beat Shogun when Shogun used the perfect game plan and Lyoto gave one of his worst performances ever.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean Shogun made Lyoto have a bad performance?
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by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be part of it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken rib, unable to walk, cut mouth
Can any independent source verify Machida’s injuries? I knew he took more damage than Shogun, but I didn’t know it was like that.
by Carpal on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t kick me one single time
After hearing that I think Lyoto hit Shogun harder than I initially realized.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 30, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Shogun’s crew showed him edited version of the fight :)
by dancingChicken on Oct 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he meant "once, a single time"
As in every time he kicked him it was more than once. ?
by MauiPimpin on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win or lose, Shogun became a better fighter by actually putting his athleticism behind a solid gameplan. Hopefully he continues doing that.
by Tonley on Oct 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saturday was the most technical shogun I’ve ever seen. This is the new shogun, and he is more dangerous than the old one. That’s all I’ll remember from Saturday’s fight. This and to never ever use the term robbery again in this place as it can turn an interesting discussion to utter shit.
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by spectaa on Oct 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ethnicity and Nationality is different...
Ethnicity of Machida is half Japanese and half Brazillian. His nationality is Brazil because he was born in Brazil.
Yoshihiro Akiyama’s ethnicity is full Korean, but he was born and raised in Japan. Therefore his nationality is Japanese. Side note, he kept his Korean citizenship up until he decided to go back to Japan in 2001 to compete Judo for Japanese National team.
RUA WON THAT FIGHT. End of the story. I didn’t know Machida’s ribs were broken
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by chopstickthugz on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Word of advice, don’t take the word of a fighter who lost a very close decision about his opponent’s health for gospel.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
we have an agreement there! see, not all is lost :P
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by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is killing me that there is a cheap shot joke here, and I can not make it without offending my Shogun loving friends =(
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 31, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, I don’t take offense to most of what you nor any Machida fan say. But what a fighter say after a fight I agree it’s mostly for hype (but this goes to Machida as well, saying his legs were just "fine").
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by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ethnicity can be both applied to race and nationality, so you have a contradiction :P I realize however that most asian countries like to differentiate themselves from one another, but the asian race (whether they accept or not) is the asian race (but I do accept that there are varieties within). Lyoto’s father is a Japanese native while he is also a Brazilian citizen while Lyoto is a Brazilian native and citizen.
But let’s not get too much into this discussion, I’m afraid we’re breaking the rules. At least we agree Shogun won that fight :P
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
by orcus on Oct 31, 2009 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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