DREAM 12 Analysis: Popularity on the Rise for Alistair Overeem, Marius Zaromskis
Yesterday, I focused on the memorable comeback win by Eddie Alvarez over Katsunori Kikuno after surviving a deep standing crucifix at DREAM 12. While the battle between the two lightweight champions was easily one of the better bouts on the card, the event also featured a number of talents in the Japanese mixed martial arts scene that we'll likely be seeing in the North American scene very soon.
In the headlining bout, Alistair "Megareem" Overeem, as I like to name him, easily steamrolled the "Mega Punk" James Thompson as he caught him in a standing guillotine choke, the same choke that he defeated Tony Sylvester with at Ultimate Glory on October 17th. While Overeem's opponent quality is on the low end of the spectrum in his more recent mixed martial arts contests, it's apparent that these bouts are serving as a means to pushing Overeem's image to the Japanese fans as well as giving him easy paychecks for his increased popularity and drawing power.
Many fans continue to complain about Overeem's inability to defend his Strikeforce heavyweight championship stateside, but as Michael David Smith so obviously pointed out -- Overeem's recent forays in the MMA ring are simply tune-up bouts for the K-1 World Grand Prix. Any MMA fan who follows the sport and understands the differences between K-1 and MMA can easily solve the puzzle and come to the same conclusion that MDS talks about in his article, but surprisingly enough... there was enough outcry over the Strikeforce heavyweight belt that the article actually needed to be written.
Overeem is scheduled to battle Ewerton Teixiera in the opening bout at the K-1 World Grand Prix Final on December 5th, and if he manages to make it to the World Grand Prix Final and win -- he'll be one of the most sought after fighters in Japan. Strikeforce may need to head to Japan in order to reap the benefits of Overeem's popularity.
The other major storyline coming out of DREAM 12 involved the utter destruction of Myeon Ho Bae by what many fans are beginning to call the second coming of Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic in Marius Zaromskis. While Zelg Galesic, who also participated on this card, was given the honor of potentially being the next "CroCop" due to his nationality and kickboxing acumen earlier in his career, his overall skill hasn't ever blossomed like that of Mirko. Zaromskis, however, has vaulted into some top ten rankings due to explosive head kicks that won him both the DREAM Welterweight Grand Prix and his bout on Sunday.
The more interesting news is that the "Whitemare" is now being profiled on the Strikeforce website, and it has given fans an added name to the Strikeforce Welterweight roster to play with in potential match-ups. This could very well be a signing by Strikeforce, or simply a part of the alliance deal in that Strikeforce plans on using Zaromskis in a North American event. In any case, it's a solid acquisition to a future card for the promotion. His style should easily draw in a casual fanbase in North America if he can continue to pull off those highlight reel kicks.
Quick Analysis
- Croation fighter Zelg Galesic was merely moments away from coming away with a victory over Japanese MMA legend Kazushi Sakuraba at DREAM 12, but Sakuraba's desperation attempt to lock a toe hold caused the referee to think twice before stopping the pounding he was receiving. Sakuraba, in true comeback from the dead fashion, turned Galesic to his backside and locked in a kneebar to win the bout. While Sakuraba has nothing left in the tank for top-flight talent, he still has what it takes to pull off these amazing wins.
- There was some controvery surrounding the Dong Sik Yoon vs. Tarec Saffiedine bout when it came down to a split decision victory for Yoon, but many fans forget that the judging in Japan is much different. Yoon's near submission in the second round was likely the deciding factor in this bout.
- Yoshiro Maeda's drubbing of Chase Beebe was impressive, to say the least. He used speedy combinations of kicks, punches, and body blows to completely dismantle Beebe in the stand-up game early, and Beebe had no bearing as to where Maeda's strikes were going to come from at any point in the fight. Truly impressive performance.
- Won Sik Park's striking gave former UFC fighter Kuniyoshi Hironaka all he could handle at DREAM 12. Crushing knees to the gut and a countering right hand nearly cemented victory for Park in the first round, but Hironaka was able to hold on to the bell. Unfortunately, Park took a punch to the eye that ended the fight due to injury after Park complained that he was unable to see out of it. I look forward to seeing Park against after a solid performance despite the injury.
- Tomoya Miyashita's gameplan of keeping Keisuke Fujiwara on the floor to avoid striking with him worked out brilliantly as Miyashita cruised to an unanimous decision victory. It was evident that Fujiwara's ground tactics need to improve immensely if he wants to be able to actually use his power in the striking game against such a seasoned grappler like Miyashita.
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Katsuyori Shibata threw the better strikes and defeated Tokimitsu Ishizawa in a match-up of professional wrestlers gone MMA. Ishizawa never truly had anything to offer in the stand-up game, and Shibata had enough power and technique to land shots. It wasn't impressive by any means, but Shibata's experience in MMA proved to be the deciding factor.
Final Thoughts
DREAM seemed to succeed in bringing the cage to Japan, although the surface was enormous in comparison to some of the cages we're used to seeing. Overeem nearly flying out of the cage at one point might give DREAM something to think about, but it was a success all around.
The coming months will be interesting, especially with the fact that Sasahara has stated that he'd love to put on Fedor vs. Overeem in Japan. Despite the outcry that fans would have in regards to drug testing, it's almost a no-brainer as to why this would work out better for Strikeforce and DREAM. Overeem's popularity is skyrocketing in Japan, and if he manages to win the K-1 World Grand Prix -- he'll be one of the top drawing powers in Japan. Add that to the fact that Fedor is much more of a drawing power in Japan than anywhere else, although not on the level that Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto or Bob Sapp was in the prime of MMA in Japan, and you have the makings of a major main event draw.
Of course, this would only benefit Strikeforce if they truly ran away with a 50/50 split as part of a co-promotional deal. You'd also have to add in the proposition of M-1 Global taking a piece of the pie as well, so it may not be completely in Strikeforce's best interests. But the prospect of the bout taking place overseas does seem like it would produce a larger revenue stream.
CBS and Showtime have put in a lot of money and effort into securing Fedor. Fedor will fight Alistair Overeem in the U.S. under Strikeforce on a CBS event. Despite having less popularity in the United States right now, they'll hope to change all of that in the next few months. The prospect of DREAM actually gaining this fight and somehow working out a deal to screw HDNet out of their current deal won't happen unless Strikeforce somehow promotes the event solely as Strikeforce in Japan with DREAM as a lender of fighters with some sort of cut under the table.
Of course, this is a long shot possibility and then casual fans would have to deal with a tape delay more than likely. Not exactly a great idea for such a huge event.
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Well there’s no option for “kind of.”
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by Brett Jones on Oct 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was thinking the same thing…kind of….japanese mma is fun to watch but not very competative at times
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by baldspot23 on Oct 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PRIDE FC was japanese mma shogun was japanese mma………..
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya Galesic, Kikuno, and Beebe are total cans.
There were some silly bouts but there were enough good fights to make me happy, it wasn’t one of the better dreams though. I quite liked the white cage even though the post event comments made it clear it isn’t happening again.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galesic’s ground game should have improved, and it’s surprising it hasn’t.
Kikuno isn’t a total can by any means. He was definitely in that fight… he just needs to work on his ground tactics. Beebe needs some sort of offensive weapons besides takedowns.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It actually has, a great deal, but damn, when Saku takes you down, you don’t escape.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galesic was giving Sakuraba a beating until he got submitted. Travis Fulton has nothing on Sakuraba as the true Iron Man of MMA.
by KahilBS_Marshal on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It actually has a great deal? LOL, no, it hasn’t.
He basically had his leg caught and never got out of it despite smashing Sakuraba’s face into oblivion. He needs to learn escapes, and that kneebar was obviously being set up.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
He looked exactly the same as he did when he was getting tapped out by Takimoto, Yoon and Jacare. The guy is entertaining as hell, but his submission defense blows.
by Steve4192 on Oct 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, having Fedor’s title fight be in DREAM is just kind of silly though, isn’t it? I mean, wtf was the point of Strikeforce signing him, if his biggest fight is going to be back in Japan. Fedor was already in Japan. Your proposing that Strikeforce basically drop Fedor off the map, only to return (probably) to the Shire like Frodo Baggins with a mysterious belt of gold or putting the biggest upset win in the history of the sport on Dream’s card and not theirs. Either way they lose.
Overeem will probably fight Fedor in the states or he will get stripped of his title.
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by toxic on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But that’s not really a threat. It should be obvious by now that Overeem doesn’t care about that belt.
by Phildo on Oct 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well… it depends on how Strikeforce and DREAM want to work things out. They’ve said that they want to unify, so it wouldn’t be completely out of the question. The point of the signing would be for Strikeforce to profit ultimately, but the problem becomes a CBS/Showtime problem as they probably put money up for them.
If they are dumb enough to think a tape delay would be a great idea, which I don’t like but casuals would still watch, it’s a possibility. I think CBS still does this stateside though.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
Until recently, Strikeforce didn’t have Overeem under any contractual obligation to defend the title or fight for Strikeforce at all. Hence, why he didn’t. Now, he is under that obligation. But that contract was signed while he was revving up to take a shot at the K-1 GP so it’s understood he’s got stuff to do before he will be able to defend.
That’s my take on it. I think that is factually correct.
But in any case, Strikeforce does have Fedor under contract and I don’t see them sending him back to Japan. What did they even piss the UFC off for in that case, right?
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by toxic on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer it would be in the US but couldn’t a Japanese show be a win for Strikeforce as well? Is there anyway to make the Dream show a noon match in Japan? They’ve done that for major boxing matches and their Dream 12 started at 3 PM in the afternoon if I am not mistaken (Saturday shows seem to be afternoon shows). How much of a game changer would moving the show up 3 hours make? A noon broadcast from Japan is an 11PM ET/8 PM PT live broadcast in the US. Both companies could split production cost or talent costs, saving a lot, but gaining a great show for their perspective markets.
by nottheface on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m tempted to put dream 12 over ufc 104 especially due to all the bad ref/judging. This is my opinion but to not enjoy dream 12 might mean you only know fighters in the ufc and love to ground and pound your friends :)
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way
Especially if you factor in 104’s prelims on Spike, which were excellent. You can’t fault the fighters and their performances because of poor officiating. DREAM.12 was an entertaining show, but I was actually very pleased with myself for not watching it live. I managed to watch all of the fights in about a half an hour the following afternoon. Great action and some poor matchups. How someone can favor that is beyond me.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is why i was tempted, I like all of us other suckers paid the 50 buck to watch 104 but as far as match ups go im pretty sure maeda/sakuraba were underdogs. and thompson was a replacement so you can’t hate blame allistar for thompson not knowing what a guillotine is
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Thompson doesn’t seem to know what much of anything is. I had fun watching it, but I didn’t personally consider Maeda an underdog. Sakuraba’s win was fucking awesome.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude get off your high horse bud, im tired of ppl sayin stupid shit like " to not enjoy dream 12 might mean you only know fighters in the ufc "
your just being ignorant…i thought it was just an ok event…but there have been ones i thought were crap and yes i know about fighters other than the ones in the ufc
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by baldspot23 on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just those japs that can’t fight then right?
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t the best card ever. Wasn’t terrible. Probably the worst in a while, but ok.
My biggest complaint is that it takes up 5 hours on the dvr for 2 hours of actual, you know, fighting.
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by toxic on Oct 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments like this are extremely pretentious.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow the race card huh? you really have no argument if your resorting to that….lol
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by baldspot23 on Oct 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I stated my opinion you doubted japanese mma as a whole buddy
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redid the poll for those who "Kind of" liked it.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's more my leaning
I enjoyed it, but like I said, I was able to watch everything the following afternoon in a very short span and the matchups were not terribly compelling. It’s like Forrest vs. Bonnar I; fun to watch, but not enough depth. DREAM.10 is going to be hard to top.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup for putting on a bunch of one sided matches…..which they do, no one can deny that
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by baldspot23 on Oct 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe it’s cause zuffa not that long ago bout pride dissolved it then bought most of it’s best fighters? The rules and judging have always been better in Japan and if you think all the fights are 1 sided go look at the betting odds of Marius Zaromskis during his grand prix wins :)
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there re establishing themselves with newer fighters
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging has always been better in Japan on the back of last Saturday’s decision? Come on man, you’re talkin crazy….
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok its better until saku never taps no matter how many knees to the face he takes

But this is why we love him…..right??
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason they have one sided matches is because they aren’t very deep on the roster and have to use a lot of retreads. But there is a lot of talent in Dream. Only 1, maybe two truly onesided fights on this card.
by swells2048 on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things should certainly improve now that they’re co-promoting with SF. If it doesn’t, then something is seriously wrong. But I expect great things.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect the better matchups to happen in the states. I do hope Aoki/Hansen/Kawajiri gets to take on guys like Thomson (If he can stay healthy) and Melendez. Manhoef vs Lawler is another matchup I want to see.
by swells2048 on Oct 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, “Jap” is not a racial slur. It is an abbreviation for the nation those people are from. Like calling an American a ‘Yank’, a Canadian a ‘Canuk’, or someone from Brittan a ‘Brit’.
‘Slope’ would be a racial slur since it is a jab at a physical attribute Asians have.
But I digress.
I am actually LOSING my favor for Overeem. His whole vibe seem wrong to me. He can stay in Japan and look like the worlds greatest fighter, or he can come to the US and fight the best. Lets see him with Mir. Lets see him with Lesnar. I think Brock would destroy him. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen Overeem go to the ground. Is he any good?
Anyway, I liked him at first but the whole Strikeforce things and his reluctance to come and fight in the west, America in particular, seems to lessen him in my view.
by mightyhokie on Oct 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no doubt american mma has the top fighters but look at where some of them came from first???
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total digression
What is the point you’re driving at? We’re discussing the merits of DREAM’s most recent show and you’re championing Japan’s fighting past. Promotions don’t train fighters..
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he needs to fight Frank Mir to prove himself? That’s wild.
Fedor’s the big fight for him and I see him doing very well in that match. Lesnar had trouble taking Mir’s punches, a few from Overeem and I see Lesnar wilting and making sloppy shots. No doubt if Brock got top control Alistair’s in trouble, but that goes for anyone.
He’s good on the ground, he subbed Vitor who is a BJJ black belt. 19 of his wins were subs, 60%. He qualified for ADCC once too.
Jap is a racial slur or an abbreviation depending on the context.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar had trouble taking Mir's punches?
He weathered a single wild flurry. Pretty tired argument hombre..
Overeem vs Fedor will be incredible if it happens. I’d like to see him lunge for a standing guillotine in that fight.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My recollection is he ducked his head down before Mir handed over his leg to him. The point being Mir isn’t a particularly good striker and Lesnar looked to have trouble with his punches. We’ll see what happens when he fights Carwin, who I give good odds.
I don’t know what you mean about Overeem lunging for guillotines has to do with the Fedor fight, he’ll obviously stand and strike with him. The guillotines are more to punish sloppy shots.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem confused
He’s standing-guillotined two cans. He would never try that with Fedor. Get it?
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sorry if i offended anyone with the use of JAP i just wanted to drive my point that japanese mma is not sub par through sarcasm
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point learned… just don’t use “Jap” even though I realize it wasn’t used in a racial tone.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar said when Mir hit him he ‘had to admit he saw tweetie bird for a second’. Yeah, I would imagine Overeem hits a LOT harder than Mir. No doubt Overeem would be a handful for Lesnar or Fedor or anyone who walks the planet. However, when he is fighting Thompson and others that are, well, lets say, closer to Kimbo than Fedor, it gives me the same feeling as Fedor going to Strikeforce instead of UFC….just a tank surrounded by VW’s and it lessens him in my eyes.
by mightyhokie on Oct 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest question – when looking at who Overeem has fought recently, why discount his K-1 opponents? In the past year he’s fought 3 K-1 fights, all 3 against opponents who are undeniably in the top 4 (and the only top 4 he hasn’t fought is his teammate).
I get that kickboxing and MMA are different, but the argument seems to be that he’s not willing to face tough competition, which is pretty clearly not true.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Oct 28, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s a different sport.
Yes, there is a carryover of skills, but he hasn’t done much in mma lately.
You can destroy the best K1 fighter in the world, and it isn’t going to stop Fedor or Brock from taking you down and pounding you out.
by Phildo on Oct 28, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could count it in terms of his striking skill because he is fighting other guys who are also primarily striking, which is a pretty huge feat for Overeem.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a dilemna for you.
He stays in Japan, already under contract with K-1.
Okay… so he fights K-1, succeeds, and is thrown into the K-1 WGP. He makes far more money in K-1 right now than in MMA fights, and while he’s over there… why not please the FEG bosses with a squash match in DREAM 12. It puts him in the spotlight leading into his K-1 stint. It gets eyes on him, and fans are becoming more and more aware of him. I think it’s easily an understandable move.
The Ultimate Glory fight was simply a fight he took for his own gym’s anniversary card. He should have done that, especially after all the years under Bas Boon.
We can wait till after the K-1 WGP. If he’s still sitting pretty in Japan, then you can start bitching.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
correct
Plus I want to see him fight K1. Hoping he makes the finals. Not sure how the brackets fall but I’d like to see a rematch with Bonjasky
by swells2048 on Oct 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hari vs. Overeem is likely… with Schilt vs. Bonjasky.
I know a lot of people think Hari is going to be a much different animal this time around as Karaev has dropped off in skill lately. He got destroyed by Hedsy Gerges at Ultimate Glory.
Teixeira is a challenge for Overeem though, but I think he’ll just bully him. Hari vs. Overeem II could go much different, but Hari vs. Schilt would be an epic final.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be Bonjansky/Overeem. Unfortunately I think Bonjansky will beat him again.
What is it about Teixeira that you think makes him a threat to Overeem?
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only real threat is that Teixiera is patient and precise. But the major problem all standard K-1 guy will have with Overeem is that he’s hulking huge and will corner guys. He’ll probably crush Teixiera, but who knows.
Bonjasky’s skill-set is easily a more favorable way to beat Overeem because he can use jumping knees and kicks in very close range, something he’s always been very good at.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
My K1 Pants just got tighter. If it all works out to my liking I’ll get to see Overeem/Hari, Le Banner/Bonjasky and Overeem vs Bonjasky
by swells2048 on Oct 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zimmerman barely belongs in there though, and Karaev is just a shell of his former self right now. He isn’t that old though, I don’t think, so maybe he’ll rebound.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can? Surely he can just do K1 if he wants? He’s already qualified for the final 16 next year.
I see what you’re saying though, I’d rather see him fight Fedor.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he stands a chance with Fedor? Not saying he’s ducking him but while your on a winning streak why endanger your winning ways? Just ask Fedor.
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do. I think he is the biggest threat to beat Fedor out of any HW right now.
Should I duck from the pending onslaught?
by swells2048 on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. If Lesnar works on his standup that could change however.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overeem has a bigger advantage on the feet than Fedor has on the ground I think.
I have no idea what your second point is.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor’s stand-up may be wild but it’s a controlled chaos. MMA isn’t kickboxing and Overeem hasn’t beat anyone recently to make me believe he’s a threat. Rogers has the Fujita chance.
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously MMA isn’t kickboxing, but kickboxing is part of MMA. Overeem has world class kickboxing but it’s integrated into a very complete MMA game. He’s fought nobody in MMA for ages, it’s perfectly fair to temper expectations based on that. I’m speculating based on his older MMA fights and newer K1 fights, everything should shake out next year.
And ya Rogers has the Fujita’s chance of hitting Fedor capitalizing poorly and getting subbed.
by omigawda on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overeem’s stand-up defense is pretty insane now… mostly due to the fact that his arms grew into gigantic barricades. Fedor will need to be pinpoint if he wants to beat Overeem standing.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does have a penchant for getting inside.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to that fightnerd video he doesn’t need to be pin point, as he hits with the back of his hand and arms…
by blawa on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overeem will have a chance if they give him a large mallet and fedor a bike…
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, at BloodyElbow
we define what is an is not a racial slur
And for those who are wondering “Jap” is indeed a racial slur.
It’s all about what those in question find offensive. The Japanese people I’ve checked with are universally offended by “jap” (or if they’re the kind of people who don’t get offended themselves, agree that most find it offensive).
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by Kid Nate on Oct 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
87% Absolutely Enjoyed it or Somewhat Enjoyed It
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel that it was almost undeniably enjoyable (to either degree), but the second best show of the night and a far cry from DREAM.10.
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zaromskis
I’m really torn on this guy being the next CroCop. He has spectacular head kick KOs, but he takes way more damage then Crocop ever did. He really feels more like a brawler. He might be the next Wanderlei who throws head kicks. Its these brawling tendencies that really make me question if he’s a top ten fighter, and if he’ll ever be top five. But at the same time, the kid is viscous.
by hlebtasic on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hes like a brawler cro cop who is better off his back

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That could have been spinach’s fault though?
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ewww. I don’t remember that fight. Must have been the spinach.
by hlebtasic on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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