Josh Koscheck to Co-Headline UFC 106
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 28, 2009 9:22 AM EDT
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Josh Koscheck announces via Twitter:
I got some big fight news for me. I am fighting nov 21 in Vegas. Co main event!!! Haha it's on baby!!!!
So it appears that the curly headed one is out of his fight against Mike Pierce at UFN 20. No word yet on the opponent but for the co-headline fight it has to be someone of decent name value. It clearly isn't GSP, it isn't Alves, it isn't Fitch. Who do we have left here?
[UPDATE] Sherdog is reporting that Koscheck's opponent will be Anthony Johnson:
Josh Koscheck and Anthony Johnson have verbally agreed to fight each other at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 in Las Vegas, Sherdog.com has learned from a source close to the bout.
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It can’t be Hughes. Can it?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope not - is Paul Daley fresh?
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by themachiavellian on Oct 27, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah.. kampman didn’t get any offense in on him at 103
by kanodogg on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know…I know…Typo on his name in the title…fixing now
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It lives on forever in the URL.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah...god dammit...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, awesome catch, sir.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll say what everyone is thinking; Nick Diaz?
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking about donuts
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by GregS123 on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome.
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by Beer Monster on Oct 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWEET SWEET CAN
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by AJB on Oct 28, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine majority of people were/are thinking Hughes. Diaz didn’t even come to mind til I read your post.
by midwestbred on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they do a rematch with Paulo Thiago, I think we are looking at Paul Daley.
Hughes didn’t want to face Koscheck or any member of AKA with a full training camp, let alone a months notice.
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by SamCupitt on Oct 27, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I thought with regard to Hughes. Daley is certainly interesting.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again, Hughes is extremely loyal to Dana and the Fertittas. They may have asked him to bail them out again.
by rabrown on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that it is going to be Josh Koscheck vs Anthony Johnson. Should be a good fight and a tough one for Kos.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 28, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Daley?
I thought he was gonna face Condit at 108 I guess its possible they scrapped that match up but if its co-main event I would guess Hughes but I doubt it.
by bigdmmafan on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way it's Swick
Kos won’t fight Fitch or Swick unless a title is on the line.
by Tedd Welch on Oct 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not even then.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
semtex will get taken down and pounded out by Kos. not a Kos fan, but that’s real talk.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If
Koscheck is smart enough to take Daley down. Which I think he will, but you never know with all these wrestlers getting stoked with their standup
That said, Kos isn’t a dumbass, and should lay down a Lytle- esque beatdown on Semtex
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How
Is Paul Daley/Josh Koscheck co-main event worthy?
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A top 5 WW vs a top 10 WW, not to mention that both have some nasty power and the fight could end at any time. Sounds Co-Headline worthy to me.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It would be but he can’t cut to 170 anymore
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
how do you know this? because he missed the cut once? Someone please notify Thiago Alves that he is no longer a welterweight
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He missed it by 6 pounds… and walks around at 215 +
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check out some of the interviews he’s done since. i wouldn’t expect him to make a habit of it.
by woooburn on Oct 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed it by 6 pounds… andwalkssits around at 215 +
fixed
by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
to be fair it was on short notice,
Alves tibau etc have also missed weight before.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just pointing out that it happened more the once.
That being said I’d love to see Koscheck/Johnson
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed against Clementi because of short notice...
and the promotion was aware it was going to happen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance it could be Nick Diaz huh?
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were rumors that Joe Silva et al wouldn’t let him compete at WW anymore. No idea if that’s true, but if it is, I think that’s fucked if it is. A fighter’s weight is his business, and unless he continually misses, book him at what he says.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twice. Missed against Clementi, too.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, he should just keep on with the camp (faux-camp?) he was in.
don’t pull the plug, I know his fat-ass wasn’t peaking yet.
(the fat-ass part was a joke, Johnson is my Georgia-boy till the day I die and his abs are harder than my bones)
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His abs are harder than titanium. In fact, they are titanium. The real reason AJ can’t make weight is that he’s a super human cyborg from the future.
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by AJB on Oct 28, 2009 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope this is the fight they make
Great way to make Kos remember how to shoot a double
by Tedd Welch on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Johnson is at the top of the list.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately Hughes might actually take this fight. Im gonna hate to see him get battered.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which do you think its gonna be? Hughes or Rumble
by DamnSevern on Oct 28, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My heart says rumble but my head says its gonna be Matt Hughes.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Cesar Gracie has been trying to get Nick DIaz released from his contract so god knows where that is.
That fight gives me a hard on… So now Ill say my heart says Rumble, head says Hughes, and my dick says Nick Diaz.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
why the hell?
would someone like diaz be trying to get out of a UFC contract? where he going to go? SF?
this sounds terrible but i like they way your heart or dick thinks.. your head so much…
by Beren on Oct 28, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nick diaz bro. They gots beef with showtime in da hizzy. some herb and some nerd got all bent out of shape and shit got wack.
sorry, I was practicing homeboy talk.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy i wish your dick is right homeboy.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 28, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you could of kept that
by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whitemare
Marius “Whitemare” Zaromskis vs. Koscheck. That would be a wild one.
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Are we just throwing any names out? =)
Whitemare is signed to DREAM and Strikeforce.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, for sure. It’s silly but it would be a hell of a fight. Thats what these tweets are for; to sit back and laugh at the speculation. Watch it be Hughes…
by ThomasJ on Oct 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You finally found one that makes sense. Good for you. Its an improvement from the ones that were different colors.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 28, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SInce we’re throwing names out, why not Rumble?
by lateralus08 on Oct 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also weren't the first one to say it
See above
by ufc4 on Oct 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last i knew he was injured, besides I’m not to sure that fight would be good enough for a co-main event.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BadB on Oct 28, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe it’s either Hughes or Rumble. Nobody else makes any sort of sense. I was gonna say Baroni, but he’s supposed to be fighting @ 185, and isn’t main-event worthy anyways. But I’d like to see it regardless…
by itsallgood013 on Oct 28, 2009 12:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
How Dare You!
Baroni is totally main event worthy!
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not just the best evah I hate to say.
HE’S THE BEST EVAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
by ZombieWamma on Oct 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its true, people iv never met on the internet are always right!!!!
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by mma is #1 on Oct 28, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Garfield? Why not?
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not after the beatdown Smokin’ Joe put on him… I’d have to see something big out of him, like when he tried his comeback in Bushido to consider him for a big time fight again.
by itsallgood013 on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected sir, I forgot that Sadollah started cutting down.
by itsallgood013 on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
off topic but Baroni needs to be at 185 and possibly 205 he gasses in 30 secs from having all that muscle and cutting all the weight
by xbuckeyex05 on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baroni gasses because he doesn’t train cardio intelligently and fights like a nob. He also just seems to have a shitty gas tank.
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by AJB on Oct 29, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
95% sure it’ll be a rematch with Paulo Thiago.
Marcus Davis hasn’t fought since Hardy either.
5% davis.
by ChrisBJJ on Oct 28, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck vs. Condit!
Theres a fight.
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by SamCupitt on Oct 28, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m leaning towardsJohnson, but it could be anyone from Condit to Daley to Hughes to Serra there are plenty of WW’s getting ready to fight in the next coming months so the options are limitless.
by Raker on Oct 28, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A name not thrown out there but i would like to see is Hornbuckle, the man loves to finish fights and has a black belt in intensity, whats not to like? Just not sure if enough people know him well enough to be the co-main event.
On a side note, anyone know about Hieron’s contract with StrikeForce? Wonder if they locked him up.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be sick to see Hornbuckle but whats his contract situation like?? I know the Japanese are open to other orgs but if he’s still under an open contract with Sengoku wouldn’t the UFC consider him not an option?
by SamVJr on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not 100% sure what his contract situation is like, been trying to find out but apparently it’s a pain to find, what i do know is that he is not on the next two Sengoku event’s and I haven’t heard any info on him getting a fight anytime soon, which is enough reason for me to start hoping he is free for the UFC =).
And no if he is still under contract with Sengoku then the UFC wouldn’t bother putting him on their PPV’s.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Oct 28, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so who were the geniuses calling for a WW tourney because GSP wouldnt have an opponent by Feb?
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably hanging out with the genius who guaranteed Fedor in the UFC and Brock/Fedor at UFC 103.
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by Mike Fagan on Oct 28, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oh Snap!
Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.
by Heenan on Oct 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Akiyama at the weight he should be fighting at to compete with the weightcutters of the UFC. On a side note Anthony johnson is probably even bigger than akiyama at middle weight… think about that for a sec
by pandaboy99 on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When he walked out to the Yoshida fight, it was crazy how much bigger than Cung he looked.
by Jahbulon on Oct 28, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw both Akiyama and Rumble up close at 104, they looked the same size.
by DamnSevern on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On TV Cung looked smaller. (at least to me)
by Jahbulon on Oct 28, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I meant Rumble and Akiyama looked the same size.
by DamnSevern on Oct 28, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re sorry because I have poor reading comprehension? Thanks for the sympathy!
by Jahbulon on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he’s Canadian. We apologize when other people step on our feet.
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by AJB on Oct 28, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Oct 28, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, I hope I didn’t offend anyone by saying that. I’ll apologize in advance.
Sorry everyone.
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by AJB on Oct 29, 2009 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of all these names
I can’t imagine it would be anyone but Hughes. Kos has virtually no drawing power, so to have him co-main event needs an opponent of considerable stature. No one, not even Nick Diaz has that capability except Hughes.
by SimplePsych on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think after what they both did to yosida it logical for rumble and kos to fight each other
by cmcbeast on Oct 28, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck vs Anthony Johnson is Official
Josh Koscheck and Anthony Johnson have verbally agreed to fight each other at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 in Las Vegas, Sherdog.com has learned from a source close to the bout.
by fozo on Oct 28, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck yeah!
I’m always game to see Kos get beat down.
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by themachiavellian on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is he, apparently
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by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a great fight.
If Koschek wins and wins big he’ll probably get the next shot.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think AJ could be next in line if Swick loses?
by fozo on Oct 28, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how he wins… If AJ can stop Koscheks shot then yes. If he’s being taken down at will then everyone should pray Fitch wins and wins without injury because he’s all that’s left.
I dont see Dan Hardy, Paul Daley (even if he beats condit) getting a shot unless they get 1 or 2 more good wins.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree about Hardy
If he beats Swick he will be too good for UK PPV buys to risk him getting demolished by GSP in his next fight. they’d at least have him win one more fight against a top guy.
by fozo on Oct 28, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really see Jon Fitch getting a title shot anytime soon given the way GSP dominated him for 5 rounds? I mean, if there was absolutely no one left they’d have to. But in my view the winners of Koscheck/Johnson (assuming it happens) and Hardy/Swick are clearly better choices because no one wants to see Fitch fight for the title again after getting smashed for 25 minutes.
by BilboMcFonzie on Oct 28, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets be frank. The only guy who has a chance at beating GSP is one who can stop his shot. The first guy is Koschek and the second guy is Fitch. I have to see AJ really tested so he might have that potential as well. Other than those guys there’s nobody left.
Here’s the priority in my view of who gets the next title shot:
1) Koschek if he wins.
2) Swick if Koschek doesnt win.
3) Fitch if he wins.
Hardy wont get a shot even if he wins.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There won’t be a need to stop the shot once you get beaten to hell on the feet like Fitch did. He was completely and spectacularly outclassed in all areas of the game and short of Fitch completely revamping his game I have very little interest in that fight.
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by SamCupitt on Oct 28, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED.....
Much like the Anderson Silva situation in relation to Hendo or Marquardt. I think we need to see these clearly, dominated “former” challengers languish in contention for a good long while and look dominating in doing so before they get another shot.
Koscheck and Johnson would be more logical challengers.
Remember, Kos(and BJ) are is in small company of fighters that gave GSP competition in recent memory.
by SimplePsych on Oct 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree, but what was he robbed of? Getting mauled mercilessly for another 5 seconds?
When a guys head snaps back and his arms flail back as he hits the canvas, he was clearly out. The ref can’t sit around and judge whether or not he’s still in it when his body clearly says he was knocked out. He recovered fast though, I’ll give him that. Had Paulo not just stopped, satisfied that he had knocked him out, he could’ve easily been on top of him landing undefended shots. That’s how it looks to me anyways.
by Dooda on Oct 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what the hell koschek was thinking trying to kickbox with Alves…
Koschek as managed to take a perfectly good gift/skill sets and throw it out the window. Im glad AKA arent making the same mistakes with Cain.
Having the ability to take anyone down at will is like Gold. Look at GSP and how far that got him. This one skill is what makes GSP untouchable at the moment. He can wear anyone out and then play whatever martial arts game he wants with them at that point – same with Cain.
it’s called Wear and Tear™ "wear your opponent down then tear his ass up.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he had to stand with Alves
because he couldn’t get the fight to the ground
by fozo on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Kos has ever been mistaken for the brightest bulb in the fixture…
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by themachiavellian on Oct 28, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember Alves sprawling against Kos’ takedowns really effectively. Then I remember Alves brutalizing Kos’ legs to the point where a take down was a virtual impossibility. I honestly don’t think that he abandons his wrestling, but does try and stand for a bit before he goes for a shot (which is understandable). Against Alves it was too late by the time he’d have wanted to shoot.
by Dooda on Oct 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck is good, but has a questionable chin.
I think Rumble rocks and drops him. Which is fine because I’ve always thought he was an ass ever since he was on TUF 1.
by Limelight on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, he took a mansize beating against Alves and lasted the whole fight.
by Dooda on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he wins via first round KO you don’t do a title shot for johnson. Him and gsp is potentially a gigantic fight in 9 months its boneheaded business to do it before his name means anything.
by Michael Rome on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you are probably right
but we all know what happens to the ufc’s best laid plans the majority of the time. if rumble wins by viscious ko and the ufc tries to put him in another fight to build him up that could backfire, and they would lose an exciting fighter (who is extremely marketable imo) as a number one contender.
by fozo on Oct 28, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, then he gets submitted by justin hazzlet. If you can rely on one thing in this business it’s that building up to a specific fight never works. Ask Randy and Crocop.
If Zuffa had to do that mess all over Crocop would have gotten a title shot ASAP.
GSP was rushed into fighting Hughes and their 2nd fight was bigger than their first.
People thought shogun was being rushed. Nobody thinks Swick has a chance even if he crushes Hardy.
You just got to make the best available fight everything else always works itself out.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For every Crocop there is a Machida. Actually there are way more examples of the build model making sense.
If Shogun had won it would have been terrible for business because he was rushed. Wins a 5 round affair all casual fans thought sucked. They got lucky with the controversy and NOW Shogun can be a star, but if he won 3-2 on leg kicks, it would have been shit for business.
Johnson is not even remotely close to peaking. He’s still in development. There’s no reason to rush fights. The only reason they do this now is they’re so desperate for main events because they have started being stupid and doing 2-PPV months.
Meltzer had a great piece in the observer a few weeks ago about trending data and stars suggesting that besides Machida, the UFC created no new stars in the last year, making it their worst star-making year in a long time. And it’s true. The real reason you have struggle coming up with main events all the time now is they haven’t been able to create new stars with such dominant champions. They’re just rushing guys into main events.
Johnson-GSP coming off Koscheck is no more buys than Swick-GSP. None. Some hardcores would know he has more of a chance, casuals would probably believe more in Swick. You give it some time and it can actually draw a little. It’s almost as retarded as giving Cain Velasquez a title shot right now.
by Michael Rome on Oct 28, 2009 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Should also note it’s a false dichotomy to talk about the rush model and the Crocop Gonzaga fiasco. There’s a way to build stars without booking stupid fights like that one. Funny thing is UFC is lately doing the worst of both worlds, mainly because of talent shortages.
by Michael Rome on Oct 28, 2009 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More was done for Shogun with that decision loss than if he would have beaten 10 eric shafers to death. 20 eric shafers if he won.
Stars are made in championship fights. look at the history. Chuck, Randy, etc… Stars are made when they win and lose in big fights.
AJ, Swick Koschek, fitch… the idea is whose the best and most credible fight. Building up fighters how most see doesn’t work in this business. They need to be place
Stars are never made unless they’re in big fights. You can look at meltzers trending all you want but you need to also look at who were involved in the big fights.
As more and more of these guys get spaces as co-main events more than once and ultimately in the main events… more and more stars will be produced.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“spreading yourself thin” is also increasing the size of the vacuum.
If you look at every draw you’ll notice there’s a direct correlation with the amount of big fights they’ve had. Brock is the anomoly for reasons we both know.
from an equity perspective Crocop would have gained more by losing to Couture than Gonzaga. Same with couture – he would have gained more by beating crocop than Gonzaga. and thus UFC benefits more.
Fighters need to age in the markets mind and the best way to do that is by participating in big fights. Personality, performances, etc… dictate how many big fights are needed to get a fighter passed a certain threshold – but the big fights are the key.
Losing in this business is only relative to who you lose to. Fitch losing to GSP is worth more than beating another 20 guys.
Right now the money fight is Koschek v GSP.
by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the UFC right now is in a critical position, much like a business that decides it’s going to expand without having the infrastructure in place to do so. If they do it right, MMA is going to get bigger and develop interest, more kids will go into MMA and there will be a bigger talent pool to choose from as the infrastructure grows with the organization. So right now seems to be that critical time where the UFC is expanding it’s product, but there isn’t the steady inflow of talent to fill the products. It’s a very shakey walk, I think the UFC is going to make it through, but for the time being, they have to bite down on the stick and have some not-so-great PPV’s, or free ones that don’t make them as much money.
by Dooda on Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitch losing to GSP is worth more than beating another 20 guys.
Right now the money fight is Koschek v GSP.
I completely disagree with those two statements.
by goodbones on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha @ justin hazzlet
by willydynamite on Oct 28, 2009 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you Rome
Over the course of a year, if Johnson keeps knocking people silly, this could be one of the most anticipated fights in UFC history. The extra year also allows AJ to add some more to his toolbox, so that he isn’t all flash and pomp when he goes up against GSP.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The extra year also allows AJ to add some more to his toolbox, so that he isn’t all flash and pomp when he goes up against GSP.
And then misses weight.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Oct 29, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predicted this would become the co-main event on Monday after Lesnar pulled out
Very pleased with myself right now
by mburtoni on Oct 28, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can hear Goldberg already
How can Koscheck handle the explosiveness and athleticism of Johnson?
by IRodC on Oct 28, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
definately hughes, although i would love to see diaz
by o.u.horndog on Oct 28, 2009 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I love that fight, it means Johnson is in the mix ready to become top 5 maybe? I’m not looking past Kos, but a new fight for gsp wouldn’t hurt, and at least, AJ or Kos got more hype than both swick and hardy combined…
10/24
by spectaa on Oct 28, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this really a good idea? Johnson just missed weight because of any injury, and turning him around so quickly doesn’t seem like the wisest decision.
by MMAEruption on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The injury was from his previous fight so he didn’t have enough time to rehab, this fight he should be fine to make weight.
I doubt he would have taken the fight if he was worried that again he’d miss weight when he knew how pissed everyone was he missed it this time.
by pr0cs on Oct 28, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, koscheck is a big step up in competition, so hopefully he’ll be training his ass off (no pun intended).
by woooburn on Oct 28, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Kos isnt holding out for Hughes!
I think Johnson takes this fairly easily as long as he gets in a good camp & doesnt miss weight.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Oct 28, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This can go one of two ways:
1) Kos tries out some of his mediocre kick boxing and gets KO’d quickly
2) Kos goes old school and shoots early and often and GNP’s his way to a win.
by MMArmy on Oct 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with your assessment sir. I hope Kos comes out with his lunch room brawl punches and gets KO’d personally.
by mr. gogoplata on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how Josh Thomson and some of the other guys that
are linked to both Koscheck and Johnson are going to handle this fight.
I know that Johnson isn’t a full-time AKA fighter, but Koscheck and Thomson are, and Thomson did corner AJ at 104. Is Thomson just going remove himself from both guys’ training camps?
by Scott Haber on Oct 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
finally watched the johnson/clementi fight
johnson held his own on the ground, better than i expected. as long as he stays calm and doesn’t throw flashy strikes that get him taken down, he could make things interesting with koscheck.
by woooburn on Oct 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's good that Johnson is rewarded for missing weight by getting a co-main event fight
by Patrick79x on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he’ll make weight this time since he fights again so soon. No time to get fat.
by Patrick79x on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if someone might try to use the excuse that its a late notice fight, thus no need to worry about making weight
by ironic sumo on Oct 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
johnson desereves this fight
cant wait to see this fight. i want to see johnson move up the ranks with a good stand up game and a wrestling background. hes definitly overdue for that next step in his career.
by rickyg$ on Oct 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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