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Young Man Rumble


Anthony Johnson certainly put on a dominating performance at UFC 104, but was it truly impressive? Joe Rogan himself commented how it looked like the fighters were separated by multiple weight classes.  The miss begs a few questions, like if Rumble took the fight with too little time to diet and train, due to need or whatnot; and exactly what is the cap for these fighters missing weight before commissions will stop the fight?  Before there were weight classes and in the now supersized Heavyweight division we'd see certain size advantages and differentials; but If a cut by a 220 pound person who brings himself to the brink of dehydration to get to 6 pounds over the weight limit, in actually 5 pounds due to the one pound given, how can the commission let that fight happen? 

I have no answers for those questions, unfortunately.   But I bring you to the true topic of my post, Johnson's atttitude in reference to missing the weight.  I was waiting to see what Rumble would say post-fight when he inevitably knocked his opponent unconscious.  He did the right things, apologizing to the fans and the UFC brass, but he never apologized to the person who is most harmed by Johnson' indiscretions, Yoshiyuki Yoshida himself.  Already thinking that was in poor taste, i stumbled onto an article today on MMAJunkie.com about the change Johnson's life has undergone since missing weight.

Originally this comment stuck out at me:

"It's nobody's fault but mine for not making weight. So I accepted the punishment of not getting $60,000, but trust me, my feelings were hurt."

 

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Why should his feelings be hurt? I don't believe in any way Johnson deserved the KO of the night.  He was a schoolyard bully; Pat Barry used technique and speed to defeat a lengthier fighter in Antoni Hardonk.  Barry absolutely deserved the bonus; Johnson knocked out a person who weighed probably twenty pounds less come fight time.  Further In the article, i read Johnson's quote about those fans who didn't respond favorably at his showing at UFC 104.  For them he had to say:

"That's life," Johnson said. "People are going to turn on you, and [others] are going to support you no matter what. You'll know who your real friends are and who your real fans are when they stick by you through thick and thin like this. 

"You make a mistake, people aren't supposed to turn their back on you, but they will. That lets you know who's in your corner and who's really supporting you and everything else. Some people are just nutriders. They just want to be on the bandwagon just because you're good."

As a former Rumble fan, I must say that he will have to re-endear himself to the fans, because I almost feel cheated.  He needs a little less rumble, and a little more humble, when he embarasses himself and another fighter by missing weight by so much.  The last offense I can think of that I had a worse taste about was Filho and his debacle against Chael Sonnen.  Rumble shows very little remorse and no apologetic attitude towards Yoshida, who's career and well being have both been damaged in the process. We weren't nutriders, Rumble, and I think you'll have far fewer people on your bandwagon the next time it rolls around.

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Nice writeup

Although I’d like a bit of credit for suggesting you write it. :)

I do agree with you, the thing that really struck me was on his vlog when he said he wasn’t worried about his weight. Not worried? That’s pathetic.

by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

agreed. Just make the move to MW, at least he can eat a little in that case

I don’t like the idea of killing your body at this age, it will come back to hurt him in the end

by amadeus on Oct 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the weight advantage really made a difference

It’s not like GSP v. BJ 2 where GSP used his size and strength to wear out his opponent. Rumble was simply the better striker. The weight advantage probably helped to put some more power behind the punch but he’s always had the power to KO and its not like Yoshida hasn’t been KO’d worse by an opponent that actually made weight.

Plus my feelings would be hurt too because there definitely seems to be a double standard. Alves KO’d Hughes while overweight and still got the bonus.

by bla10cow on Oct 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but BJ chose to fight up a weight for that, and GSP made weight. I agree that the size differential didn’t play as much of a factor in terms of the length.

I think it’s just more a question of should the fight have gone on, and did really really deserve that award. I was looking forward to another Rumble fight and as a fan i feel cheated a bit.

by amadeus on Oct 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he deserved the award anyway

but I would be upset to hear that I would have made $60,000 if I had made weight too. Also, instead of bringing up the GSP/BJ fight it would probably have been better for me to say “the extra 6 pounds didn’t help his fist connect with Yoshida’s chin.”

Coming in heavy is like using performance enhancing drugs(same idea but to a lesser degree imo). It’s giving someone an unfair advantage over the competition. I think there’s nothing wrong with being upset at a fighter who’s done the deed.

by bla10cow on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're forgetting to mention

that Johnson supposedly had/ has some kind of knee problem which inhibited his ability to cut weight. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, like the guy above said, Alves did the same thing to Hughes, and before really never had a problem making the weight, and never had a problem making weight any other time.

Same w/ Johnson- sure, he’s a big dude, and he purportedly said he started camp @ 220 in some youtube video (which at the time I thought was a joke), but he’s never struggled to make weight before, and if he doesn’t have the same problem again, I don’t see what the deal is. Shit happens, get used to it.

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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alves was a little different- his injury occured the week of the fight and he only missed by 4 pounds, not 6. And Johnson has missed weight before but there were extenuating circumstances there.

by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Alves was also busted for a diuretic after he fought DeSouza.

by Jahbulon on Oct 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The extenuating circumstance

was that Johnson was called in on very short notice to fight Clementi. Not only did he miss weight, but he gassed and was promptly choked by Rich.

When he has a proper camp, he doesn’t seem to have trouble making weight. But I agree, he’ll eventually have to make a home @ 185, maybe if he fails in a WW title bid then he can take some time to gain the weight healthily, and make the jump up to MW

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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll make weight if he’s fighting Kos, trust me.

Did I mention Johnson’s from Dublin, Ga?

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnson kinda lost me as a fan, I seen the fight as a very unfair fight for Yoshida just like when Alves came in over to fight Hughes – it’s just unfair.

What is the other fighter supposed to say or do when his opponent comes in overweight? He can’t really decline the fight because of the time invested in preparing for the fight and he has to earn something for that time invested in training.

I realize that Johnson’s reach was going to be an advantage but the extra weight had to be an advantage as well.

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

johnson was fined 20% ( which was given to yoshida) of his show money because he came in overweight. I dont understand why his win bonus wasn’t also cut by 20%.

by ironic sumo on Oct 28, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct me if I am wrong, but

I have read / heard that most fighters start their serious weight cutting about two weeks before a scheduled fight. Johnson has stated that he was at 220 lbs before he started his cut. That would mean he tried to cut 50 lbs in two weeks (may not be the case) which is insane. Even if he was talking at the start of his camp, it is still insane to try and cut that much weight. GSP walks around at 185 to 190 lbs. This is a safe and relatively easy amount of weight to cut.
For his own health, Johnson should consider moving up in weight. He has stated that he stopped sweating while in the sauna which any idiot knows is extremely dangerous. At this point you are completely dehydrated and your body is close to shutting down on you. Why kill yourself to fight at the lowest weight possible?

I honestly think that weigh ins should be the morning of the fight…problem solved.

by MMArmy on Oct 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Usually,,,,,

“Walk around” weight is what a guy weighs when he’s not training. Johnson said he usually walks around at 210. Once they have been training for a few weeks they usually lose about 50-70% or so of the weight they need to lose. Then they do the actual “cut” the last week or two of camp and try to get within a few pounds of where they need to be the day before weigh ins.

by ufc4 on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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