Lyoto Machida: "I Promise to Go Better on the Next One"
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
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"We had three judges on the fight, but it’s not me who decides. The judges saw the fight and that were the points.
If the [UFC] decide for a rematch, of course I’ll do it. I’ll go back home and study the whole fight, everything that passed and put another strategy on. We always learn and this fight was more a lesson. Of course we always want to please the fans, everyone who supports. I promise I’ll train more to please everyone and get better… I promise to go better on the next one."
--UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, Lyoto Machida, speaks to Tatame about his controversial battle with Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
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Poor guy sounds like he’s really broken up about this one, he had just found a huge fan base and popularity but then it all got pulled out from under him due to this fight and the fickle nature of fame.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
Seriously, he went from everyone hating him, to everyone loving him, to everyone hating him.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
sometimes you lose in victory, win in defeat
Machida’s followers made a 180 and so did Shogun’s
This also happened to Marquardt against Leites I think, he pretty much won in defeat
(in defeat, I mean officially, because you all know how I feel about the decision :P)
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
Personally I’m a Machida fan and did not make the 180 on him, because I thought he was just figured out by Rua. I did however make the 180 on Shogun and gained a new found respect for him and see him more now as a tactician and a brawler
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Oct 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
that was mostly in general. and Shogun is a tactician, but he’ll braw sometimes too (with effectness, not just throwing punches for the sake of throwing them), he’s the whole package really. damn, I cannot talk bad about that guy, I’ll stop now :P
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
Machida’s followers made a 180
Hey now!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
my bad friend
that was in general, you have to agree that many did however :P
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
Prior to his fight against Thiago I had an entire section to myself on the Machida train. Then he won and it was like, “hey, its good to see some more people getting on board” but this place is a lot more crowded than it used to be.
Then he beat Rashad and the place was packed to the brim and people were in my seat claiming to have been there the entire time.
Now that he has been proven to be human I have room to stretch out again.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
but it's good to know
real fans from ship jumpers :P
PS: I’m also a proud Machida, just not on Saturday night hehe
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
I can’t say I’ve been around since the BJ Penn days but I can say that I have been to his last four fights in person (combination of fandom and timing).
Shogun is my second favorite light heavy (now that Wanderlei is sort of a middleweight) and he put on a great show. I can’t wait to see how much energy this injects into what could have been a stalled division.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
I have been a fan since seeing the Soko fight as one of the first events with my friends where we were just there for the ride and not really understanding the nuances of the sport. That fight led to our nuanced fight prediction of “always pick the Brazilian guy” for the next few events.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I want Lyoto to dominate LHW, but I feel that Rua won the fight, and that Machida will know Rua’s tricks of war next time…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
… and Rua will know Machida’s. if there is a next fight, it’ll definitely be different.
by pop_gun_war on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Everyone seems to assume it’s only Machida that can craft a master plan for victory, but as evidenced on Saturday, Shogun is a remarkably intelligent fighter himself. In the rematch, I think Shogun can get a lot closer to finishing him, if not actually finishing him. But I don’t discredit Machida’s ability to pull a few tricks from his sleeve, either.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hope he does better on the next fight, so that he could actually deserve the win if he gets it.
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Sure
close fight lol
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Yea the undefeated champion that lost a round for the first time in his UFC career should definitely do better.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Yea the undefeated champion that losta roundthree rounds for the first time in his UFC career should definitely do better.
went ahead and fixed that one for ya
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well done :)
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
If you’re going to to the strikethrough “fixed it” joke the least you could do is strikethrough “undefeated” and “champion”.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
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by mythbuster on Oct 27, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I pointed out a better way to make an old joke. You really need to work on that relevance thing.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
meh
I’m just happy I can post a pic like that. If I did it first, it would have been deleted and I would have gotten a warning. But since you did, now I have a small window where I can also do it. So I enjoy my limited freedom :)
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Look...
stop whining about warnings and posts getting deleted. I’m 100% serious
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well, undefeated and champion are relative terms… just because he got beat up doesn’t mean his record isn’t 16-0 and the belt isn’t around his waist.
thanks for pooping in my cliche’d internet joke…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you’re going to make a cliche’d internet joke you need to finish it, you can’t leave it up to the judges decision
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
by Day Man on Oct 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
nice
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Oct 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
damn you
i have to rec that.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s so eff’in old dude. It’s like a kid saying “I know you are but what am I?” It’s sad to see you like this, because so many of your posts are right on the money.
I echo earlier sentiments. Get over this man. Not everyone sees everything the same way. You see it one way. That’s awesome. Three cheers for spice of life. Stop struggling against everyone else’s.
:(
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The next fight should be really interesting based on seeing which fighter can make the better adjustments.
So far Machida hasn’t had to make too many fight to fight, and Rua made some major ones.
It will be interesting to say the least.
Now, of course, the million dollar
question is how does Lyoto adjust? I’ve read in several places that defending against leg kicks was an inherent weakness in Machida’s defense/offense. Is that true? I also saw somewhere that Rua says he plans to use the same attack, which would be foolish, I think. Regardless, although this isn’t an apology, is certainly sounds like one, and really wasn’t necessary.
I’m gonna take a gamble and say that Rua’s leg kicks are the best in the division, on par with Vera’s and Alves’. That said, I think that for the most part Machida has been quick enough to step away from most leg kicks, as he did successfully many times against Rua. The thing was, Rua seemed to be anticipating Machida’s evasion and aimed his kicks further in, especially after adjusting from the 1st. I personally don’t think that anyone in the division lands this many leg kicks on Machida than Rua. The torque on Rua’s leg kicks is flat out intimidating.
Alves is not in the division.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Oct 27, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know that. But Rua’s leg kicks remind me of Alves’. I think that maybe Alves’ are the best in the UFC, with maybe only Anderson’s being better (but he doesn’t use them very often so it’s hard to tell). When Alves flings that friggin leg out it’s like some kind of plexi whip or something. Then when it flies at his opponents head, yikes. Those things should be illegal they’re so dangerous.
And here’s his interview with Sherdog.com:
"I thought I won four rounds and Shogun took the last one…. The American commentators were pretty much biased."
"…I had three or four chances to finish the fight, and Shogun never put me in danger. I didn’t get (dazed) at any moment of the fight, but I put him in danger three or four times. He kicked my legs a couple of times, but he wouldn’t knock me out with that."
Machida also addressed UFC President Dana White’s statement that he thought Shogun was the winner.
"Anyone who has a mouth can talk. I respect his opinion and I’m ready to fight Shogun or any other challenger UFC decides, but I would like to say that this fight was not judged by myself, my father or Anderson Silva," Machida said. "This fight was judged by professionals, so I’m pretty much comfortable with the result."
damn
Machida is starting to sound like Anderson Silva, only problem is that usually Anderson Silva is right, whereas Machida… wrong
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
I expect to see the same shogun but a new machida for the rematch. I don’t really see how shogun can do better, I think he did really great already, maybe dominate the clinch and improve his defense, if possible.
10/24
careful now
many thought he wouldn’t do any good the first time around, I guess he’ll just have to prove the critics wrong twice :P
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
Shogun is in a bad position. He probably feels – no, he knows he has to finish Machida now. The second time around, there’ll be no hanging back thinking he’s got it in the bag.
I love me some Sexyama!
personally, I think he’ll continue to try to counter Machida, and when it comes to the 4th round he’ll turn up the heat looking to finish. He played it safe because he thought did enough to win (which is how I see it), but next time he’s not going to take any chances.
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
If he made any mistake that was it. And that’s a huge error (obviously).
I’ve played on many a basketball team that tries to conserve a lead and stall after getting ahead a couple of points. It always backfires. Every time.
The problem here is that this is a fight against Machida, he could not afford to be too aggressive and make a mistake that he could lose the fight. He had the right plan, but since the judges didn’t like it, he’ll go for the kill next time because he’s not going to lose the fight two times the same way.
Machida is a god
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I understand that, but in the 5th round, and maybe even the 4th, it was clear that Machida wasn’t going to be putting Shogun in danger anymore. Well it was clear to me at least. Why else kick his friggin legs so much. It’s to damage his abilities so that you can attack him without worrying about their ability to counter you effectively. Plus, at that point Shogun had taken several straight lefts to the face and it didn’t seem to faze him a lot.
If your strategy is simply to keep scoring with leg kicks, you’re strategy is also, by default, leaving it to the judges. He should’ve known that the decision wasn’t a gimme. Surely even the most ardent of Rua’s fans can at least admit that the fight was reasonably close.
It isn't true
The X-rays were swayed by the commentators.
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
To quote Joe Rogan
folks complaining about my commentary saying that Machida clearly won I’ve got 2 links for you: http://bit.ly/4trAfJ – http://bit.ly/2kQVrZ
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How is that relevant to anything?
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
what is that from? That chick, is hot please tell me.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
I’m not positive, I think it’s one of them “real housewife” shows.
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Which one? The Real Housewives of Orange county or the Real House wives of Atlanta?
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yeah looks like new jersey
http://chikamuna.com/watch-real-housewifes-of-new-jersey-season-1-episode-3-danielle-staub/
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That's Jersey, for true
Also, I’m from ATL but go to school in Jerzey, and I’ve never met these people in ATL but they are on every block in NJ…
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked up on that too.
I don’t recall him favoring either hand as if it were broken. Not seriously, anyway.
I really don’t get everyone being upset with MACHIDA for winning. Is he supposed to hand over the belt because a large section of fans and Dana White think Shogun won? Be pissed at the judges but take it easy on Lyoto
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
truth..
people are getting wayyyy too emotional about all this..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s calmed down a LOT since Sunday. Still a bit raw, but it’s much calmer.
I agree with Lyoto. Lyoto put Rua in danger. Rua didn’t put Machida in danger. If Machida had just been willing to pull the trigger, he would have at least not let people argue he lost the early rounds, if not finish it.
What Machida needs to learn is that sometimes he can’t just keep sniping until the perfect opportunity comes along to finish it. He’ll have to take chances next fight.
haha. You’re a good sport, man.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lyoto and Brock have decided to split the world between the two of them.
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haha
now I get it, Fedor is God the father, Brock is Jesus (go figure) and Machida is the Holy Spirit!
Machida is a god
I now drink my urine daily
Who is satan and the virgin mary of mma then?
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Dana White and Gina Carano?
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Dana = Satan (Always trying to tempt Fedor with tales of riches and power)
Virgin = Barncat (guy can’t get laid)
Keep firing Assholes!
Never trust a man with no shirt on.
Maybe the devil isn’t one person, but rather an entity that goes from body to body, like from Gary Shaw to Tom Attencio to Vadim Finkelstein and so on?
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You beat me to it. So many people are quick to turn on Lyoto. I don’t know why, but it’s not Lyoto’s fault. It’s not like the judges were his family or anything. He fought. He won. Did he look like the Lyoto from the last few fights? No. But that’s due to Shogun’s great strategy and ability to implement it. But Lyoto is not at fault. It must be hard for him to see some of his newfound fans turn on him so quickly.
I love me some Sexyama!
lots of fickle (and angry) mma fans in the interweb..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 27, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the so called “intelligent” mma fans that float around the comments here and the various other blogs and message boards put way too much stock into what the fighters say to the media.
Maybe 5 years ago when there was no money and no one cared they could all be truthful and “real” but now it’s a game of pr. Everything said in public needs to be taken that way. And that’s not even to mention the amount of confidence that is necessary to be a good fighter.
True...
a lot of people are taking the “how DARE he think he won” stance which is odd.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems as though the only way machida can win a fight now is if he only gets hit once every 2.5 rounds…… I this being the Anderson Silva syndrome when Anderson didn’t knock out someone in Highlight reel fashion, it was unacceptable and he was starting to lose it and he shouldnt be considered top 5 p4p anymore
by yin hsiung on Oct 27, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason I'm mad at Machida
is because he made me look stupid when I predicted him winning by first round KO with the group I was with. :-)
Same
I’ve seen people pissed about the decision, but I don’t know that we should be making any “Leave Lyoto Alone!” videos just yet. I haven’t seen any Machida hate yet.
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
can we start being excited about the rematch now?
Or do people need a few more days of mourning over an MMA decision?
The surge of murderous intent awakened in Lyoto. He has now be consumed by dark hadou energy. Evil Lyoto has been born!
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I haven’t bothered commenting alot lately since people are so serious about this subject. I thought Lyoto won rounds 1-3. I also think it was extremely close and it was foolish of him to just give Shogun those last two rounds, where Lyoto pretty much just stopped doing anything of note. I’m a fan of Lyoto, yes, but I’m no fool. The way people judge fights in their minds varies from person to person, so yeah, I could see how some people would say Shogun won every round, and I can definately see how Shogun could have won the fight period. But I agree in Lelands assesment that although Shogun was stalking, some people may have taken that for “aggression” but how I’ve explained it to people is this. You can’t just walk forward, into a guy who is notorious for using lateral movement and making his opponents come at him, and then counter with one kick while he lands 2 or 3 shots.
In my mind, just moving forward, but not pulling the trigger, is simply a man walking around a ring. Not octogon control. Especially not against Lyoto. Now this is not to say Shogun never initiated an exchange, he did, but Lyoto had to use that (left?) straight many times to start off an exchange, and one thing I’m suprised people overlook is how often and accurately Machida would throw that punch.
No matter who won that fight, the rematch is likely to be Epic. Shogun is going to come out like a man with a purpose, knowing in his heart that he can’t just let this fight go to the judges again. Lyoto is coming back to prove that he should be the champ, that he can defeat shogun decisively. Thats good enough for me.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
I’m more of a Machida fan than a Shogun fan, but you’ve got to be excited that Shogun proved himself and then some. Prior to this fight 90% of MMA fans were treating Shogun like he was irrelevant to the 205 division. For example, the hosts of Sherdog’s beatdown radio shit so much on Shogun that when Lyoto’s manager Ed Soras appeared last week, they made him make the argument for why Shogun could win.
Agreed
After getting choked out by Forrest and his ridiculous fight with Coleman, I was one of the people who thought this was a gimme fight for Lyoto, and laughed at Shogun thinking he had a chance. Boy was I wrong!
And I am very excited for the rematch, and hope that we actually get one.
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I’m not gonna lie, I was part of that 90%. Shogun really brought it Saturday night, the man deserves a rematch. If not a rematch, put him in the next contender match-up. But I truly think he deserves an immediate rematch.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 27, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
though I believe Shogun won, you do have fair points
But you just cant say Machida “gave” rounds 4 and 5 to Shogun, that discredits what Shogun accomplished in the fight
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, thats not what I mean at all. Obviously this was caused by Shogun, but Lyoto virtually stopped anything he had been doing in previous rounds. Even the telegraphed straight Lyoto had been using rather effectively disappeared. Definately not trying to discredit Shogun, he fought the best fight anyone ever has against Machida, and win or lose, needs some serious praise. He went from losing to Forrest, then that iffy preformance against Coleman, to KTFO’ing Chuck and solving Machida. Thats a helluva come back.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 27, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This post is right on..
Very well articulated IMHO. I struggled to come to terms with Machida losing. And I feel he did lose. It was extremely close. I kept feeling myself wince as Machida’s left landed on Rua, only to have Joe Rogan comment that Rua’s leg kicks landed to Machida’s body at the exact same time. I started to have the sense that I was not seeing the fight as it was, but how I wanted it. I need to re-watch it. Machida’s only chance may be to try and take him down, or move laterally to his right. Or maybe he needs to employ tsuru ashi dachi and go Macchio on his ass.
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In 2008 the conspiracy was that the UFC was keeping Lyoto from becoming champion. In 2009 the conspiracy is that the UFC wants to keep Lyoto Champion.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I don’t mind the conspiracy theorists, since believing in conspiracies clearly helps them enjoy the sport more. I just wish that when their conspiracy theories are definatively disproved, they’d man up and admit they were wrong. For example:
The UFC is protecting Rich Franklin
The UFC is protecting Anderson Silva from Okami
The UFC is trying to screw Machida out of a title shot
The UFC will never let two non-Americans fight for the title
The UFC will rig TUF so that Kimbo fights at the last possible moment
The UFC will rig TUF so that Kimbo gets an easy fight
How has the Okami conspiracy be definatevily debunked?
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ITS not either fighters fault....i really enjoyed the fight win or lose.
I’m thankful from both this dudes, great fight, enjoyed every minute of every round. i was more pissed at the Ben VS Cain stopage then anything. NOW THAT WAS BS>
Big Ben was going to die if that fight continued. =P
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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