Shane Carwin's Mouth Got Him the Title Shot Against Brock Lesnar at UFC 106
Per Heavy.com:
Carwin was scheduled to face fellow prospect Cain Velasquez at UFC 104. But when Lesnar returned earlier than expected from a surgery and asked the UFC to give him an opponent before the year of the year, the UFC decided to pull Carwin from UFC 104 and give him the shot of a lifetime: a chance at the heavyweight championship.
UFC sources confirm that Carwin's post-UFC 100 comments were the deciding factor in giving him the title shot.
"He talked his way into the title shot," said one source.
That and the fact that they were desperate for an opponent for Brock Lesnar. Had Randy Couture beaten Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 102, I guarantee you that Shane Carwin would not have been rushed into a title shot.
Couture vs Lesnar 2 would have been a huge money match, Nogueira vs Lesnar, not so much. Especially since fans remember the beating that Frank Mir put on Nogueira not long ago. Nogueira is also unattractive because he presents a very real threat to submit Lesnar. And then there's the ugly fact that Nogueira has walked into the ring against Fedor three times and never emerged with a win. Nogueira will likely get his shot at Lesnar eventually, but he needs at least one more win against top competition to convince the UFC brass he's worth the risk.
Sure Carwin is a legit threat as well, but he's more attractive than Nogueira for a number of reasons. For one thing, he's a scary monster just like Brock. He's almost as big as Lesnar, making the sale to the n00bs that much easier. For another, he's undefeated and on a hot streak. He's been KTFO'ing fools right and left. There's no worry if Shane Carwin is UFC champ that Fedor fans will be able to dismiss him with a "been there, done that".
Regardless, props to Carwin for having the savvy and moxie to talk his way into a heavyweight title fight with the most popular athlete in the sport. There is a lot more to this game than just athletics and strategy. A top fighter has to be a top promoter as well.
It's a tradition as old as combat sports. See Ali, Muhammad.
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Nogueira Vs Velasquez?
Keep firing Assholes!
Never trust a man with no shirt on.
by Ubernoober on Oct 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes please!! Except that the UFC might not enjoy watching one of their most promising young talents getting tooled hard … and long … lol.
by Sauce on Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would also like to avoid...
having Big Nog, Machida and Silva all holding the belts.
by MMA_Messiah on Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why would they care if that happened?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Oct 26, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause Ed Soares already busts their balls about when and what title defenses are worthy.
by Sauce on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Soares is a 5 fingered prostate exam when it comes to negotiating dates, bouts, pay…
3 UFC belts is just too much power for one cagey Brazilian manager.
Keep firing Assholes!
Never trust a man with no shirt on.
by Ubernoober on Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
..no cross-title superfights, ever.
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by Ozzz on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought this was apparent from the first announcement that Carwin was his next opponent. He was vocal and played up the hero to BROCKLENSAR’s heel. He is roughly the same size and even Rogan made the comment that when Carwin hit someone you could feel the impact vs Brock’s and Velasquez’s GnP.
by YoungGun on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Velazquez- Lesnar for Mexico would make sense moneywise.
Matchupwise the right fight would be Velazquez-Junior Dos Santos
by IRodC on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar is the biggest cash cow in the entire company (as long as he keeps the belt at least). He’d sell out anywhere, and I don’t know if Mexico City is the best place to maximize their live gate unless they want to run an outdoor stadium. Searching around worldstadiums.com, I believe the largest indoor facility in the Mexico City area is Palacio de los Deportes which seats about 22,000 people. Velasquez could probably sell out that facility headlining against a lesser opponent though, which might prove more difficult to do in a place like Memphis or Portland.
by Chromium on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A top fighter has to be a top promoter as well.
See: Ortiz, Tito. Really, I don’t know why Tito doesn’t get more credit for his ability to promote a fight. He is a far slyer guy than a lot of people give him credit for.
by Chromium on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm too lazy to look through all the posts here
But hasn’t BE staff commended him for using Strikeforce to get the UFC to pay him more? Seemed pretty sly and he got done what he needed to.
by SES 84 on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone tell Carwin that his talking got him a title shot and he can stop talking now. Please.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Carwin is Brocks biggest threat.
by mmalogic on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked that you're towing the party line
; )
I agree that Carwin is a very real threat to beat Lesnar.
The book on Brock is that he doesn’t like getting hit in the face.
Carwin hits real, real hard.
Ergo Carwin = a real threat to Lesnar.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And King King didn’t like planes shooting at him.
by nottheface on Oct 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
King King?
Is that Elvis Elvis?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a book on how to beat Brock? How many times has he lost from getting punched in the face?
by ufc4 on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Nog is a bigger threat to Lesnar than Carwin IMO.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Oct 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLOLOL
hahaha hehe haa thanks for that laugh :)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does Brock, I guess.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn’t be surprised if they held off on nog so he can rematch mir (should he beat kongo). i’m guessing the hierarchy is…
lesnar
carwin
velasquez
dos santos
nog
mir
by woooburn on Oct 26, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar pulled out of the fight. BOOOOOOOO!
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Breaking NewsLesnar out of Nov. 21 fight
Brock Lesnar has to pull out of Nov. 21 UFC title fight with Shane Carwin after long illness.
From Yahoo front page
by davec84 on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Well, I have a broken rib, a torn ACL, and swine flu… but OK.”
by JRN on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took on a truck and I doubt the truck is still on the road.
by szucconi on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha! maybe “minotauro” is portuguese for truckasaurus.
by woooburn on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito Forrest is big enough to fill in as a main event
by davec84 on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fight Promotion 101
Regardless, props to Carwin for having the savvy and moxie to talk his way into a heavyweight title fight with the most popular athlete in the sport. There is a lot more to this game than just athletics and strategy. A top fighter has to be a top promoter as well.
Indeed.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito Ortiz is a Top Promoter
- War Machine
- Junie Brown, who was able to secure a fight immediately after UFC kicked him out
- Basically any notable TUF’er, Free-TV promotes
- Jason Miller is a TOP Promoter
- Kimbo Slice’s inner me
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nogueira is also unattractive because he presents a very real threat to submit Lesnar.
I don’t agree with that, I pray, hope that fights are not based on another’s fighter ability to submit the champ. The UFC has been consistent with offering decent competitive matches.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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