Reflecting on UFC 104's Lyoto Machida vs Shogun Rua: Are MMA Snobs Just as Bad as the Meatheads?
by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
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DC radio personality Chad Dukes, a friend of MMA but admittedly not a hardcore, has some harsh words for the self-appointed elite fans of the sport regarding Saturday's controversial decision:
Uninformed MMA fans are some of the worst people on the planet. These are jerkoffs drawn to the raw violence of the sport, do not appreciate its complex nature, and do everything to ruin it for everyone else around them These are people that scream "...get him in the headlock!" or better yet "...rip his arm off and beat him with it!" Both of those I heard at the last UWC fight at the Patriot center. These are the homo habilis, drunken baffoons that file into every hooters one Saturday a month in their Beatdown shirts to ruin it for everyone.
Those people annoy me, but I wear no a white wig and hold no gavel here. I know people watch NASCAR for the crashes, hockey for the fights and MMA for the blood. I'm not judging those people. I am just acknowledging they exist to set up my next point. The MMA elitists are almost as bad for the sport as the aforementioned meatheads. These are bloggers, message board nerds and their ilk that let their narcissism blind them in their support for the UFC and mixed martial arts. The first group of assholes discussed in this post are a necessary evil for this sport. It's means the sport is growing and becoming more popular. Not all of these Affliction T-shirt wearing douches stays a douche. They learn the sport the more they watch, they appreciate the sport the more they watch and they become living, breathing, walking soundboards for the sport. They start telling their friends about it, and their friends, and their friends. That's growth, people. That's the goal of any business.
Some of snooty blogging sect doesn't want that. For one reason or another they feel reluctant to expansion. To the point where they use their power of the public forum to not only speak down to fans that they deem "unworthy," but they actually endorse shitty decisions like the one we saw last night. How, do you ask? I'd be MORE than happy to tell you.
We ALL know Shogun won the fight last night. He was more aggressive, did more damage and executed the perfect game plan against MMA's great enigma: Lyoto Machida. For Rua's efforts he was handed a unanimous decision for the other guy. That was crime in itself. The bigger crime was the passive aggressive defense of the judges cards by the blogs that cover the sport. The terms "truly beat the champion" and "don't let it go to the cards" are flying around the internet. BULL SHIT. Then why have judges at all. Let the challenger know that if he doesn't knock out or sub the champion in the allotted time, he loses. I don't by that shit for a minute.
It is my personal opinion that some, and even most MMA bloggers are obsessed with being contrarian when it comes to the meathead MMA fans. These meatheads are the bane of the existance of the bloggers and it affects their opinions and coverage.
I think there is some truth to this argument, even if he didn't name any names or refute any specific points.
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The worst (Or best depending on your sense of humor) are “hardcore” fans who are blaming Dana and that he should fire the judges.
i've seen alot of message boards too but i see many people coming from our angle
that rua was robbed. dana white said he thought rua won. i do find it kinda odd that cecil people’s one of the judges in the fight is in the karate hall of fame. i will look into the other two judges backgrounds. i’ll bet one of them has karate in his background too. the tuf 10 reality show is getting pounded on the message boards too. the casual fan is looking at these hw and comparing them to brock lesnar. that is not a fair comparison but it’s happening. the season has sucked so far. if roy nelson wins it will turn off the casual fan that the ufc wants and needs to grow. these people are imagining nelson big belly vs the the massive muscles of lesnar. peace
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell is Chad Dukes talking about?
I dont think I have read a single story from a blogger defending Machida from the “you have to BEAT the champion” argument. If anything that cliche has been used as a lead for stories that question the decision.
seriously what blogs does this guy read?
watchkalibrun.com
I don't have to look that far to see people saying that...
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wow
I agree with this post so much I didn’t even know I felt this way before i read it.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
i was on the message boards 2 minutes after the fight screaming shogun won and had a back and forth with Anton Tabuena, a contributor to this site. but i don’t see the connect in this article between the “meatheads” and Anton Tabuena or anyone else on this site. neither of us said we would hop on a plane and go kick the others ass, it was an honest discussion, and i believe ATLEAST for the writers at bloodyelbow that they always hold a respectful opinion. never to be compared to a meathead.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I think
he was more angry at the people saying that “you have to beat the champ to be the champ” and “dont let it go to the cards” then he is at people who make arguements for machida winning in general.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the people who now defend Machida's "Win"...
And say things like, “Well, Machida has a much more nuanced game, and to understand it….”
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Who has said that?
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Not you, evidently
Have you honestly not heard people talk about how in order to understand Machida you need to really study him? That even the wins that you or I might call “dull” or “lackluster” or “insomnia-relieving” are really strategic gems that we should all be watching on constant replay in order to understand the grace and power and majesty of Machida?
Cause if so: I want your filter! :-)
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I have definitely heard people say that in the past. I haven’t seen anyone do that to justify the decision in this particular fight which is the lens that I was viewing your comment through.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
I think you can assume that's what they mean when they say:
“You need to rewatch the fight. And keep rewatching it until you understand how powerful Machida’s chi really is.”
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From your lips to…
Actually, you can keep it there. :-)
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I have seen the same argument used pretty much verbatim to explain to anyone who doesn’t see this as the greatest robbery evah, why Shogun’s kicks topple mountains.
My real problem is people who stick to their opinion on way or the other and refuse to consider the alternatives.
And yes, not that it needs to be said but in the interest of full disclosure, I feel his chi is powerful.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Also from what I’ve seen the majority of people talking about re watching the fight are saying in the context of explaining how biased the commentating was (I can’t vouch for this claim as I watched the fight live) and how that can affect your perception of a fight.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Some, it’s true, meant that. And it’s possible that Rogan was biased towards Rua. It’s also possible that he seemed that way because Rua was winning the fight. :-)
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I haven’t heard anyone talking about “to be the champ you have to beat the champ” other than in derision of that philosophy (a philosophy which by the way is ridiculous, judging by necessity must be objective).
99% of the people on this site, myself included are guilty of kinda being holier than thou mma elitists, but that’s just kind of the reactionary response to the douchebag frat crowd. As the douchey frat crowd improves itself so too shall the elitists.
There are some elitists who have that “no don’t let anyone else into our super private little sport” and that’s pretty normal, you get that with any music scene, restaurant, club, etc. They get pushed to the side as popularity rolls through (ex: see punk, hardcore, metal, bohemian type clubs, vampires, goths, whatever emo stuff, indi music, blah blah blah). Personally I invite every person I can possibly fit in a room to watch MMA with me because 99% of the fun of paying to watch this stuff is watching it with friends; it also sharpens my own eye when people ask me what’s going on or what a specific fighter is trying to do etc etc; I’ve ended up with an encyclopedia in my freaking head due to having to inform others about mma in the hopes that they’ll love it as much as I love jiu jitsu/mma.
In any case, somewhat spot on by Mr. Dukes but meh, general consensus kind of opinion. Also, if you’re in the d.c. area and aren’t getting your morning radio fix through Elliot in the Morning… well you just aren’t a NoVA kinda guy.
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by Patrick Tenney on Oct 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“well you just aren’t a NoVA kinda guy.”
Count me in that group and thank God.
And for what it’s worth, the producers at DC101 won’t touch MMA with a ten foot pole and have outright refused to engage it.
by Luke Thomas on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But Elliot keeps me entertained on the commute haha, was just making a joke not really referencing MMA, but c’mon Luke not all of us NoVA folks are too bad eh? =)
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by Patrick Tenney on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I don’t really like either Elliot or Duke. I know they’re a comrade of BE but I just don’t get into the that overly “guy” radio personality, if that makes any sense…
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Everyone has their own favorite I guess, I just know that once I moved back into the area and found DC101 for my morning commute that everything went by a lot faster and on occasion I was bursting out laughing in my car. I wish that they did cover MMA at least a little bit though, the most I’ve ever heard has been some UWC commercials during breaks.
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by Patrick Tenney on Oct 26, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wish there was a station I could turn to
That didn’t make me feel like I was in a frat house or at a White House press conference. It seems like it’s either or here… lol
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And guy talk or sports talk is around for a very obvious reason: it’s makes money. But for every man doing man shtick on the radio, there are a thousand women on TV crowing about their problems or women’s issues (The View, Oprah, Tyra, Mo’Nique, etc etc). Women have their say, just not that much on radio. Men can be clowns, but not that much on TV.
by Luke Thomas on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And your point is supposed to be...?
I understand that “guy” talk radio makes money. I’m not saying anyone should change their format for just me. I would like to have a station I could listen to that didn’t make me feel like I was in a guys locker room. Is it going to happen? Probably not. What was the point of saying “women on TV crowing about their problems or women’s issues”?
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“What was the point of saying "women on TV crowing about their problems or women’s issues"?”
Because that’s what they’re doing?
And my point is that the station you’re looking for doesn’t exist. That’s what I’m trying to explain to you. If you’re just there to say “it’s lamentable there are no stations that outright appeal to women on the air in DC”, then fine. But it sounded as if you were a little unclear as to why. I was providing information, namely, that women typically don’t have vaunted platforms in radio but do in television.
I'm not sure how you got that out of my post, at all
But I’m not really interested in getting into a debate with you about your assumptions on something that I already knew.
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Huh, damn I guess I’m the only EITM fan! Well I heart you guys anyhow.
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by Patrick Tenney on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, it was him and the Junkies that got me to stop listening to the radio.
Now I’m all iPod, all the time.
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Far be it from me to criticize anothers in morning entertainment, but....
Elliot just gets old. I mean ,I liked the show the first year or so I was sitting in traffic for two hours. He just is so repetitive and predictable that I grew to just hate his fake terrible laugh. the Junkies are a fine examples of how success can ruin a good product.
Just when I thought I could not like Machida any less....UFC 104
Elliot is kind of stupid, in a 14 year old boy with ADD kind of way.
But he makes me feel really, really smart when I listen to him.
I guess I kind of fall into the same boat, I just love listening to the callers he gets who are completely ridiculous; he also gets Brandon Noble in on Fridays before the weekend football games and has Chris Cooley in on Mondays to talk about the Skins. Meh, guess my sense of humor just doesn’t mind him, which is weird because 14 year old boy with ADD sounds like Dane Cook and I can’t stand that guy.
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by Patrick Tenney on Oct 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dane noticing things in the world that we tend to overlook, whereas
Elliot doesn’t seem to understand the world at all and simply reverts to making fun of it because he can’t be bothered to pay attention.
what the hell is wrong with this guy???? The majority of sites, media, blog, whatever all agree shogun won and are upset about it…..
these so called elitists on sherdog are about to crash the site due to their outrage of the decision….
ahahaha, that’s funny and very true. All of the reaction I’ve read is opposed to the decision. I suppport it becuase Shogun did not clearly win the 1st 3 rounds. I think machida edged him out in those rounds , but they were so close that the winner is subjective and therefore any 48-47 decision (going to either fighter) is entirely within reason..
Agree
I haven’t read any site that agrees with that decision.
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Ummm... half the mods at this one?
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Sorry
Didn’t know your insider’s terminology. The rest of us consider anyone who can moderate a mod.
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Haha
Insider’s terminology… more like, basic english skills?
Really? Basic English?
What does “mod” say in your dictionary? Mine says: “An unconventionally modern style of fashionable dress originating in England in the 1960s.” Is that what you think he meant?
And do the writers here have the ability to moderate comments? Seems like they do. Thereby making them moderaters… And if we were to shorten that.
(Also: it’s a bad idea to make fun of somebody else’s English skills when you can’t be bothered to capitalize “English.” I’m just saying.)
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Oh hey, english popped up as incorrect spelling on FF for me too. Well done! And wow, did you ever fall for the bait. It’s always what people like you resort to, picking at spelling and grammar and we’re not talking about spelling and grammar.
We’re talking about comprehension, which you seem to lack. You’re calling writers, mods. They are not mutually interchangeable, are they? Can someone that writes mod? Probably. But does everyone that’s a mod write in an official capacity for this site. No!
See? Comprehension issue.
And never mind the fact that you always act likes there’s some sort of conspiracy going on. I just don’t get how the difference between a mod and a writer can be called “insiders terminology”. It’ ridiculous. Have a nice day!
stop
both of you. It’s a really dumbass argument to be having so please stop
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Done.
Besides, I think I just won. :-)
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The fact that this guy said/wrote all of this is proof that he hasn’t even read any articulated thought on the matter beyond the headlines on MMAJunkie and Shitdog. He’s guilty of his own accusations, as he’s grouping all “hardcore” fans under the sort of ignorant elitist you see under posts that support theories like “to be the champ you have to beat the champ.” I haven’t seen anyone who’s not a) an idiot or b) a troll, say this. Sure, I’m elitist, but there was nothing that he attached to “hardcores” in there that I agree with.
Douchebags are way worse, as they alter mainstream views on the sport itself. Just look at portrayals by Bruno, The Simpsons, and other media and you will see that the sport is still largely defined by the violence-mongering meatheads.
I think that pretty much covers it right there.
He just stereotyped everyone with a different opinion than him on the fight without actually going and reading (or understanding) the articles he was ranting about. I don’t know but it sure sounds like a real meathead thing to do on his part. If wanting to understand how the sport(or anything for that matter) actually works makes me some kind of elitist then what does that say about anyone else?
by who me on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
:) Nice
I agree, elitism is a horrible deterrent to the growth of any niche sport.
That said, I’d be careful coming down on the hardcores (us) for the “never let it go to the cards” line. He doesn’t understand that we’re not rationalizing what happened, we’re just acknowledging that scoring is the worst part of our sport, and we know that it often screws deserving winners.
Chad Dukes got seriously pissed about reading comments on the internet. That should be the point of this story.
Dukes seems like the kind of guy who isn’t happy unless he’s pissed off.
I’ve not seen any reputable website defend the “you have to beat the champ” thing.
I have said I scored the fight for Machida on multiple viewings but certainly understand scoring it for Shogun. It was 3 close rounds to start the fight which I gave each of to Machida and then 2 clear rounds for Shogun to end the fight. I don’t see how that makes me an elitist but then again I don’t understand a lot of things.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
You’re certainly one of them. No way. I don’t think this blog is concerned, except if he is talking about the comment section of the posts (but that would be kinda pathetic) OR…this “week’s quotes”. I don’t go anywhere else, just this and sherdog for articles, so I wouldn’t know.
10/24
haha...
I just assumed you were joking around.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people who refer to “blogs” are referring to the “people who comment on blogs.”
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by Richard Wade on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if this whole situation is the perfect example, but I do understand what he’s talking about. There are a lot of fans of the sport that don’t like agreeing with fans of the violence, if that makes any sense.
In this case though, I think most people tend to agree that while it was a close fight, Shogun won. Anytime you have to go back through a fight and pick apart each round in order to try and justify the scores that the judges came up with you know you’re reaching.
In the end, as long as we get a rematch that ends decisively (either by finish or clear cut decision), it really doesn’t matter that much. The important thing to me, as a fan, is that I got to see a really interesting fight and that Shogun just showed the world the rough draft of how to beat Machida.
MMA Fans Are Idiots
I’ve listened to Chad Dukes for probably the sum total of an hour, but he’s correct on this.
Idiots are idiots, and idiots are on both ends of the spectrum. Don’t kid yourselves, either; the idiots are on this site as well as the others.
I’ve been saying for a while that MMA fans are idiots, and I’m pleased that someone else has seen that. Don’t misunderstand, either, and try to argue just how brilliant a bunch of middle class white guys are because they watch two guys beat each other up. The fact is that people try to either make MMA into some religious experience that only the worthy should be eligible to partake in, and on the other end of the spectrum it’s reduced to its most base and gives the even dopier anti-MMA contingent fuel for their idiotic fire.
Not that stupidity amongst fan bases is unique to MMA, you’ll understand. But the particular brand of stupidity amongst MMA fans is stunning at times. Can you even imagine another sport where those who purport to be “fans” would call for the downfall of the sport’s largest organization?
And to be clear, although it really strongly sounds like I’m being a “holier than thou” douchebag, understand that I’m an idiot as well. I’ve spent countless hours refining my own ranking and wager systems, the results of which are about as intellectually (and far less physically) worthwhile as masturbation. Then I whine because a group of so-called “experts” develop different rankings than I would/did, even though in reality, rankings don’t mean a damn thing in MMA! And then I call those people “so-called ‘experts’” just to be pretentious because, in reality, I have about the same authority in the MMA community as that clown that posts all of the anti-UFC rhetoric. Well, ok, I’m a greater authority than that dope.
To see folks arguing semantics about what does and does not constitute a “robbery” in combat sports in the wake of Machida being given a decision is intellectually insulting. To write off fans discontent with the decision as little more than an whiny overraction is so smug, so self-important that it makes me ashamed to have a common interest with those individuals. Fools, the lot. They should be ashamed, but they won’t be, as they’re too busy foisting the contrarian stance as a way to appear somehow superior to the unwashed masses who actually had their eyes open during the main event.
And here I am getting worked up over it, as if it actually matters even one little bit. It doesn’t. But I’m an idiot and I act like it does.
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by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
To see folks arguing semantics about what does and does not constitute a "robbery" in combat sports in the wake of Machida being given a decision is intellectually insulting. To write off fans discontent with the decision as little more than an whiny overraction is so smug, so self-important that it makes me ashamed to have a common interest with those individuals. Fools, the lot. They should be ashamed, but they won’t be, as they’re too busy foisting the contrarian stance as a way to appear somehow superior to the unwashed masses who actually had their eyes open during the main event.
I’ll rec this part.
I don’t know about the rest because I you shouldn’t blame yourself for having fun with wagers and rankings though.
10/24
Absolutely.
Rec’d.
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Easy answer
“Can you even imagine another sport where those who purport to be "fans" would call for the downfall of the sport’s largest organization?”
Pro wrestling.
Last time I checked, pro wrestling isn’t a sport. It’s entertainment.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What?
You’re gonna make half the dudes here break into tears.
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I guess I can be accused of being elitist
Although I understand that growth is good for the sport, I strongly object to any growth that threatens to dilute the produt in order to make it more accesible to the average Joe.
That strike-box debacle is my ultimate nightmare…lets get rid of the ground game because it confuses some people. Or lets ban elbows because the blood frightens the lawmakers
I don’t understand Cricket….it confuses my Hockey hardened Canadian brain….but I would never want them to simplify it just to get my viewership.
A couple of quick points:
- his statement directed toward the elites, seems more pointed towards the Sherdog and Underground sites. In my experience, BE posters are generally more courteous and knowledgeable than the average mma fansite poster. And that is not just me kissing ass (although I am good at kissing ass), that’s why I am on here. Why not read and discuss on a site with people that are more knowledgeable in the sport than I am then have to spend a good portion of my time explaining why Mark Coleman is not a can.
- If the growth in the sports popularity solely due to it’s appeal to fans most base desires, why is it so important that it grow? I am not saying that that is the case, but sometimes it seems so, and it’s a question no one seems to ask. If the general fan wants it to be more like “Rollerball”, is it good for it to grow beyond a niche sport? Are we so desperate for acceptance that any growth is good?
I use to believe the growth of the sport would lead it more towards the sport side and away from the spectacle, but lately I am questioning that line of thinking. This weekend was particularly jarring, watching 104 in a sports bar, surrounded by douchebags who complained the title fight was “boring”, that “Kimbo” used to be a badass when he was a street fighter, and loudly bemoaned any fight that didn’t end with a KO or went to the ground. I thought to myself, “why don’t we just break out the gladius and shield versus the trident and net and get it done with”.
"BE posters are generally more courteous"
Read the comments of a Supremacy post for the exception to this. Or anything anti-Dana, really.
BOOSH
“generally”
It’s graded on a curve, BE can’t help but look good when compared to the other sites.
And what is with everyone always ripping into Supremacy? I just don’t get how everyone gets so worked up because he doesn’t do anything to promote UFC events. Guess what? That’s what he does, he promotes the competition. And does it in a generally courteous manner as well, I may add.
The only thing I know about supremacy is that he like to quote stuff (wich usually pisses everybody & makes me lol in the process), and gets heat every time he posts something. And some usually courteous people really unload on this guy. This situation is a real mystery to me.
10/24
individually, none of his posts are that inflammatory and he is getting better by leaps and bounds, but he has a reputation. Especially when EXC and Affliction were around, he posted very anti-Zuffa stuff. It’s my theory that he is not just some keyboard warrior and he is somebody involved in MMA so I try to incite him to tip his hand, but no dice. More recently, he only mildly annoys me when he lumps a bunch of unrelated new, some of which is old, all together in one article. I think he was more aligned with Affliction because after the Affliction collapse, he really became more even handed.
He is utterly fake. Everything he writes is done in a PR slant.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He directly quoted a comment from our comment section in his article...
Personally…and this isn’t a shot at JUST Dukes. But I always find it odd when people take to quoting comments from websites. It’s just that you can go to any website and find absurd opinions or things to disagree with. Our SB Nation family member MMAMania has some of the most insane comments on the internet on almost every article.
I get his point I suppose. I just don’t like quoting comments to make it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, picking quotes from the comments section is pointless. As you pointed out, there are a lot of dumbass comments. This is the internet. It’s like cherry picking nuggets of shit from the toilet.
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I'm gonna tell toxic you said that.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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This is the internet. It’s like cherry picking nuggets of shit from the toilet.
What a dumbass comment.
I think you meant: what a dumb ass comment.
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Thank goodness
I had to explain that my “put down the bong” joke wasn’t meant to be a serious comment the other day, and it made me lose faith in the BE community just a little bit.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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Ah yes
Forgive me for reading all the way through a thread where you had nothing but smart ass and insulting comments directed at posters who didn’t agree with your opinion…..and not seeing your genius wit when you told someone to put down their bong. Sometimes intent does not translate very well into posts, which is why you can use context to put things into perspective. You should be a comedian, your material is priceless!!!!!!
Count my recs.
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Man, I wish Sbnation could give a rec/comment ratio on each user page
Recs from banned users should count extra. :-)
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He makes a very good point.
But no reputable site has defended the “beat the champ” BS. I scored the fight first three rounds to Shogun, as did several of the staff here at BE. I’ve viewed the fight several times and I still haven’t changed my mind. I didn’t base it on anything more than seeing Machida edge out Shogun by the slimmest margins in the first three rounds. Could it go the other way? Of course. I definitely see people saying Shogun won. But the way I saw it, he didn’t. Not when it comes to the 10-point system.
Am I an MMA elitist? Sure, you can call me that. But I can still rationally divorce my feverish fanboy dreams of MMA and what I see take place on my television screen. Like Anton and others pointed out before: It’s not robbery. It’s just a decision that didn’t go a certain way. A decision, that can be defended on merit, not just because the dude is the champ.
Personally, I welcome the Affliction T-shirt meatheads to the sport. Yes, I groan and roll my eyes every time I see one, but as he pointed out, eventually many of them learn to appreciate the sport the more they watch. The sport is growing. Us elitists may not have been the typical “get’im!” jerk, but at one point or another, we were all ignorant of MMA to a certain extent.
I love me some Sexyama!
its our own fualt
DW is very fond of saying MMA fans are the best in the world and guess what we arent we are the worst. every sport has its unifomred dick that ruins it for people and every sport has its fans that are way too into it that it becomes just a nerdfest.
for instance the nfl has a lot of girls who claim to be diehards and cant name the QB of there favorite team unless its tom brady or tony romo and there are a ton of madden nerds out there who u just want to slap when they atart brekaing down zone blocking scemes.
things like this are unavoidable, but the issue wiht mma is that the percentages of fans that fall into either category internet nerds (use) and shit head affliction wearing jerks(them) nd there arent a ton of middle ground in between.
that being said the fight was closer than rogan seemed to think but if you watched that fight and looked at the two fihgters standing there at the end and though shogun didnt win that fight im sorry you like me fell hard for lyoto machid and his awesomeness and his myth, and you like me are reacting like a scorned lover. this was THE GUY who would bring order to the division the one ring to rule them all. and he shit the bed. and we dont want to bleieve it.
Rogan definitely colored the fight wrong. That being said, I don’t judge a fight based on how the fighters look at the end, their faces, their demeanor, etc. I base it going round by round, as the 10 point system is. It’s not Pride FC. And by the criteria set out, I had Machida edge the first three rounds. But I see your point about Machida and falling for his myth.
I love me some Sexyama!
I get the point that Dukes is trying to make and he’s not entirely incorrect. But saying that not agreeing that Rua won makes you an elitist is heavy handed arguing. I also don’t get why if the “majority” says someone won the decision, that everyone else has to agree.
I watched the fight live and thought Machida won 48-47, but wouldn’t wouldn’t have been surprised if Rua won 48-47. I also thought, while it was playing live, that Rogan did one of the worst commenting jobs I’ve ever heard from him. I watched it again without sound and still think Machida won 48-47.
If you want to talk about who won and why, discuss the points normally. Don’t start accusing people of being elitist because they don’t agree with you.
This kind of thing happens after damn near every event and blows over in a couple of days. People like to express their opinions and talk about the things they enjoy, it only becomes a problem when people start taking things too seriously or personally and get bent out of shape (like in the article). Hell if we all agreed on anything then what would be the point of discussing it to start with?
by who me on Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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