The Art of Legkicks with Shogun analysis
I've always been thinking about the relative value of leg kicks to MMA, and since Shogun surprised me with his leg kick clinic recently I thought I'd write up my thoughts on a few cases of where leg kicks worked and didn't work and why I think it went down that way. After the jump I'll have specific cases, but here are the general ideas on legkicks offensively or defensively:
Offensively using legkicks:
- legkick offense is ineffective if you just try to walk up to someone and throw a leg kick, unless they have terrible defense
- the best time to leg kick is in a combination, such as backing someone up with jab and then hitting them with a legkick
- If you're going to throw a soft legkick, might as well not throw it unless you're just baiting the counter
Defending the legkick:
- footwork- move away from it, so remarkably simple. It's surprising how many fighters look very "heavy" on their feet
- step into it and counter, or takedown- the power of the kick is at the end of the fulcrum, IE the shin, if you step in you're taking this away, finish with a punch
- pshychology- make it not worth someone's while to throw leg kicks anymore by combining the two above strategies, I'll get into this more in my examples
- note: it's my personal opinion that checking a leg kick is the worst defense, its much more preferable to use the other strategies since it minimizes damage and is more psychological
Thiago Alves vs Josh Koscheck
Pure leg kick destruction. Why? As a wrestler I believe Koscheck was standing with more weight on his front leg so he could shoot. Combine this with a lack of footwork, and Koscheck was an easy target. Alves really throws power into his legkicks so it was vicious cycle where Koscheck took them, slowed down more and had more trouble dodging the later ones. What could have Koscheck done differently? Lets look at GSP vs Alves...
Thiago Alves vs GSP
The answer is footwork and countering. GSP stays very light on his feet and always either steps away or goes into it and takes you down or punches you. Thiago pretty much stopped trying throwing leg kicks after awhile...
Forrest vs Rampage
As you know Rampage has bad leg kick defense. Specifically he not only doesn't check it well, he doesn't use footwork to move away, or counter it.
Forrest vs Anderson
This is my favorite example. Anderson is godlike in his footwork and timing. Before they fought I thought Forrest might give him some trouble with legkicks given his length and power. Anderson used footwork to avoid the initial leg kicks. This caused forrest to not throw them as hard. As soon as Anderson saw a soft leg kick coming, he stepped in, caught it, threw a cross counter, and went for the trip. Forrest pretty much gave up on leg kicks after that. Not only was it a strategic success, he won the "psychology" aspect of it.
Shogun vs Machida
I really thought leg kicks wouldn't play a big part in this match since Lyoto has good footwork and I've seen him counter leg kicks with a straight before. But as other's have pointed out his wide stance makes him a good target for legs/body work. Yah Shogun whiffed a bunch of legkicks (when he threw them without setup), but it's the leg kicks he did land that were genius. One thing that stood out: Shogun countering with a legkick. I speculate that Shogun believed Lyoto lacks knockout power and Shogun has a good chin, he was willing in a few exchanges to risk getting hit by Lyoto in exchange for countering with a harder leg kick. A good example is where lyoto threw a body kick, shogun countered with a hard leg kick to his standing leg. All the weight is on that leg, and kicking it takes the edge off Lyoto's initial attack as well. By doing this he was able to get around some of the problems of Lyoto's footwork.
Anyways I really hope to see more people utilizing leg kicks creatively or with better timing. It's a really good technique and pays dividends. On the flip side I also hope to see more fighters take advantage of uncreative use of legkicks...
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didn't you watch the fight?
every single leg kick was grazing and was countered by a flush straight.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
no i didn't watch the fight, I just analyzed it based on my imagination...
I find that statement to be an exaggeration. I did state that Shogun whiffed a lot, and he got countered a few times, but over the course of 5 rounds he did beat up that leg. I would say that the leg kicks did more damage than the “flush” counters.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on your side pal
Just saying what people are going to come in here with in approximately an hour ;) if you look at the new photo gallery on sherdog you’ll see that most of machida’s counters are blocked.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yeah, so Lyoto was limping towards the end of the fight because the leg kicks were ‘grazing’.
Look at some of those kicks in slow motion dude, Rua battered Lyoto’s legs with kicks, inside and outside.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Lyoto's side looked like raw steak
and he was limping. Pretty sure those shots count as a little more than “grazing”
Flush straight counters are fine, but when one guy’s thigh looks worse than the other guy’s face…
Checking leg kicks is highly effective. It both hurts and discourages the other person from throwing more. A karate stance doesn’t allow for checking counter leg kicks quite as effectively as does the muay thai style, so it was no surprise that the fight went this way.
every single leg kick was grazing and was countered by a flush straight.
That’s as ignorant as the people saying that Lyoto didn’t land any. He connected with maybe 5 significant right hands, and still nothing as damaging as the body kicks and combined leg kicks.
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I was being sarcastic, I believe shogun won. that is all.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s definitely better than taking it on the thigh, but it hurts you as well which is why I avoid it. Didn’t Arlovski famously get hurt bad from checking a leg kick?
Though my friend did show me a cool way to check a legkick, instead of just raising your shin, you turn your shin out to the side as your raise it so instead of hitting the side of your shin, they hit the top “blade” of it, hurts them a bit more.
by IpullguardIRL on Oct 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved the Mirko/ HMC leg kick clinic

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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i mentioned the lead leg of machida being a muay thai strikers dream but i was told i was crazy and shogun is washed up……. also it wasn’t mentioned much that this is the second counter strike rua picked apart. i wonder how he will fare against anderson once he has the belt :)
It's true
Shogun did very well to avoid the counter striking of Machida, in fact… he reversed roles several times; he would initiate and stalk, and when Machida countered, Rua countered right back.
Like the old saying- box a brawler, brawl a boxer.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that you have to always set up kicks with punches. A lot of high level kickboxers will throw single strikes. Something I’ve seen a couple times used very effectively is to cut off the ring/cage by moving forward and left (assuming both are orthodox), and kicking when they respond by moving back and to their left. This makes sure they get hit with their weight on the leg so its much harder to check. I was thinking of Aerts when I started typing this but now that I think about it I believe shogun used this a couple times actually

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