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UFC 104 Winner Cain Velasquez Talks Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin

Cain Velasquez' camp American Kickboxing Academy had been very reluctant to rush him into title contention, but the win over Ben Rothwell has them thinking their fighter is ready to challenge for the title. This opens up the question, what do they think of the Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin title fight at UFC 106? Sherdog finds out:

For me, standup is a tossup," said the 27-year-old heavyweight contender. "They both have a lot of knockout power. I think it could go either way in the standup, but I think Brock has the better wrestling and I think he can take the fight where he wants to take it, and if he does, I see him as the winner."

As for how Cain stacks up against the two top heavyweights, his head trainer Javier Mendez says:

"[Lesnar] is an extremely hard fight for us," Mendez said. "We're going to definitely have to win the standup game and the kicking game. And then the wrestling, the size of Brock could potentially neutralize us, but Cain's cardio is going to neutralize him, so it's going to be a really, really interesting fight."

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"Should Carwin get past Lesnar, it's going to be a little different fight," Mendez said. "We can't attack the same as against Lesnar because Carwin is to be respected because of his incredible power, and his wrestling is top notch also. We will have to take a different path because he is a different fighter with different strengths."

Sherdog also reports that it's quite possible that Velasquez will fight for the UFC heavyweight title in April 2010 in Mexico City.

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Cain and his camp should hope a meteorite hits the arena that night...

and he can fight a third party for the vacated title.

Otherwise, I don’ t seem him getting near that belt as long as it is in either Lesnar or Carwin’s hands.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cain is going to have a major speed

and wrestling skill advantage over Carwin and will have speed on Lesnar. If he can avoid getting killed standing, he could be a nightmare for those guys.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely

would I pick him against Lesnar? probably not. But I’d bet on him if the odds were more than 400
With Carwin -
I would bet on Cain against Shane if Carwin was at -300.
Cain’s speed, conditioning and wrestling skill makes him a threat to anyone, especially in a 5 round fight.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...I didn't realize we are talking betting odds.

Straight up W’s and L’s, you would pick Cain to beat Lesnar or Carwin?

I think Lesnar would steamroller him much like he did Herring. Carwin would probably win in a similar fashion to how he did over Gabe. I can’t see Cain surviving punches that stunned him (momentarily, granted) when thrown by Check if those same punches were thrown by Carwin…if that made any sense.

I can see Cain being a problem for alot of fighters, but not Lesnar and Carwin.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree completely,

Cain looked good but not against fighters the level of Lesnar or Carwin. Honestly, there is nothing he offers that would worry Lesnar. I suppose if he could avoid Carwin’s power & keep him on his back he could beat him, but not if stands & trades like he did against Kongo.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are overrating Carwin

he’s going to be at a massive speed deficit to Cain, a major wrestling disadvantage and his conditioning is a huge ?.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d take Cain at anything over +150 against Carwin.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im sure Brock Lesnar is somewhere sleeping in his cave having bad dreams of Pillows coming at his face

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask Rothwell how those “pillows” worked out on Saturday night. The difference in Cain’s GNP power from Kongo to Rothwell was just as impressive as that of Lesnar’s improvement from Herring to Mir II. If Cain can avoid getting caught while standing, he has as good a chance as anyone against Brock.

by Velcro on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo Sierra

Not much difference at all really. Look at the first round of GnP against Kongo. When cain’s arms got tired, he was throwing pissy hammerfists at the end of the fight. the punches were the same, and were not so scary.

For real GnP, See Lesnar Mir II.

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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 27, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he has a better chance against Carwin as well. Lesnar is way more explosive than all the UFC HW’s. I just hope they dont wait until April. That would be a 6 month layoff and I hate when fighters have that excuse that they are rusty.

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ready for a title shot?

lol…the guy is gonna get his ass whoop by brock. i don’t even think he can beat gonzaga or dos santos. but give him a title shot,thats what lil mexico wants anyways. brock will crush cains will and have him run for the border

by valtheguy on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looked fierce against Rothwell the other night I’ll give him that. But I can’t help but feel that Rothwell was fighting on the level of a TUF10 contestant. He was a major letdown. Coming into the 2nd round he looked gassed and mentally defeated.

by nastyem on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're underrating Cain

the guy is a monster. Rothwell will probably acquit himself very well as a Heath Herring level gatekeeper in the UFC going forward.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Herring has a hell of a lot more heart and has faced 10x better competition. For all the talk of how this was Rothwell’s dream and He hasn’t done anything because it wasn’t in the UFC he layed a Egg. He came into the fight looking soft and very passive. There isn’t many Top tier Hw’s in the UFC i see him beating. He gets 1 or 2 more fights then its off to strikeforce.

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh I don't see him beating ANY top tier heavyweights in the UFC

but I could easily see him beating most of the TUF 10 cast.

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by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats an acomplishment? TUF 10 has turned out to big one big fail train week after week. Where is the talent that was suppost to bolster the division? Roy Nelson is best guy on the show and Rothwell beat him in IFL.

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know what "gatekeeper" means?

It’s a guy who can beat the lower level guys (The Mostapha Al Turk’s and Dan Evensen’s of the world) and loses to the top 15 or 20 guys. That describes Rothwell perfectly.

by ufc4 on Oct 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

we really need somebody to hold the gate closed for Al turk and Dan evensen? I though that was what Crop Cop was for :)

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the whole point of having gatekeepers is to see who’s worth keeping around and who isn’t.

by ufc4 on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

A hell of a lot more heart?

I fail to see where the failure of Rothwell’s heart was.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was shocked by that statement as well. How in the world can you challenge Rothwell’s heart in any way?

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rothwell will probably acquit himself very well as a Heath Herring level gatekeeper in the UFC going forward.

That counts as aquitting oneself well in MMA in 2009?

Once again, this is an indictment on the sorry state of the Heavyweight division throughout MMA rather than a sterling endorsement of Ben Rothwell.

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by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've only seen a couple

of Rothwell’s fights, but he didn’t look mentally prepared at the start of round one. I commented to a friend watching with me “Ben looks like he doesn’t want to be in the cage right now.” Did anyone else see the same lack of killer instinct in his eyes?

by rzor on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First fight in the UFC against a very highly regarded opponent can do that to people.

by lowellthehammer on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was his first fight in the UFC. He had a taste of the larger stage in Affliction when he fought Arlovski but this aint Affliction. People actually watch and attend these shows

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“[Lesnar] is an extremely hard fight for us,” Mendez said

Well No shit. Cain’s last two fights have been Won by using his wrestling to overwhelm his opponent. He still doesn’t seem to have enough power to back his onslaught. Yes he can go full speed majority of the time but if he isn’t hurting the other guy and steve mazagatti isn’t the referee then he is fucked. Brock would eat him alive

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cain beat Rothwell like a little boy.

I don’t think there is anyone in the HW division that wouldn’t have a tough time with a guy like Cain. He is as tough as they come.

Plus a title fight in Mexico City? Boom!

by oasis77 on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh. My. Dear. Lord.

He’s not getting out of Mexico alive.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fights in October and then April?

Sick of these huge gaps between fights.

by Meshuggeth on Oct 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it’s pretty terrible.

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking to Rome last night about how awesome Cain vs. Lesnar would be in Mexico. Good to hear that is a possibility. I don’t think Cain should get a title shot quite yet, but I do think if he DOES get one that having it in Mexico is the best possible situation.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line is

Cain is a workaholic. He suffocates people and pummels them. This is the 2nd time where he broke his opponents will. I think it was great experience for him now that he has to fight Carwin/Lesnar. He’s dealt with huge guys with big power now.

Yeah he might not have that 1 punch KO power like Carwin but I liked his head movement in this last fight. He needs to keep improving on that especially now. If he can avoid taking a bomb early on then we might see Carwins cardio finally tested. If they go to the second rd where Cains been smacking him around through out the first round like he did to Rothwell its more than likely that we will see the same outcome. A gassed battered and beaten Carwin being saved by the ref. I can at least picture that scenario.

Now with Lesnar, I have no clue what will happen there. I think Cain better pray to the Virgen de Guadalupe that Carwin catches Brock.

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Cain broke Ben’s will, I think he just beat him up, Rothwell was trying everything to get up to his feet or sweep Cain, he didn’t give up or lose his will… he just got beat.

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by AboveThisFire on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO he looked done after the first. We need a gif to show Bens expression and demeaner when that first rd finished. He just stood there for a second looking all out of wack. Then at the start of the 2nd he throws this wild headkick that was telegraphed so badly, man even my wife laughed and said what was that?

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the cam was in Ben’s corner you could hear his frustration, he almost barked at his cornermen “How do I stop the single!” I don’t think he was beaten down as far as his heart and will, I just believe he was frustrated at his inability to stop the Velasquez takedown festival 2009.

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by AboveThisFire on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I think he was just shocked at how difficult it was to stop the takedowns. At not point did Rothwell stop fighting or just give up which is exactly what a mentally broken person would have done underneath the tsunami of strikes that is Cain’s top game.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I do not understand is why Rothwell

didnt come into this fight prepared for Cain’s td’s? He had to know after watching Cain’s previous fights that that is a big part of his game.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he did come prepared. I think Cain just his elite level takedowns that make it hard for anyone who isn’t very well versed in wrestling themselves to stop.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all heard him asking how to stop the single though?

I agree that Cain’s wrestling is very good, but with all the top notch wrestlers out there these days if Rothwell didnt prepare with those guys to stop the td’s he had a very poor gameplan.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, however, I don’t think he meant “How do you stop the single” in the sense that he had never worked on it before. It was more of a “How do I stop the single against this monster”.

Even with all the wrestling talent out there its is EXTREMELY difficult to get anyone near Cain’s physical ability and wrestling talent (which is the main reason Cain has been so effective in Octagon so far).

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ALL he has faced are big guys with power striking (and Jake OB). I’d REALLY like to see him get one more fight against someone who can offer some wrestling or jits before calling for him to get the title shot.

Defensively he looked a lot better than against Kongo, not so much of a chin straight up rush in approach. So that is a good step to covering what was his biggest liability.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also to any complainers out there not liking the stoppage. To be fair Mazzagatti did warn Big Ben at the top of the 2nd. He knew he had already taken tremendous damage and wasn’t going to allow it to happen again.


Problem is Mazz reacted 1 second too late becuase right when he stepped in Ben started getting up.

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the 5 unanswered punch Ben looks to go a bit limp...

I think it was part of his body motion in attempting to get the momentum to stand up, but I can see where Maz, already looking closely to stop the fight because of the round 1 domination, would have seen what he thought was the end of Ben’s ability to defend himself.

Frankly, I wonder if this isn’t a case of bias. Maz has a rep for bad stoppages/judgement..so we watch his actions much more closely and amazingly find evidence to support the idea that he makes bad decisions…rinse and repeat.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is Mazz reacted 1 second too late becuase right when he stepped in Ben started getting up.

Actually Ben was already on his feet before Maz gets there so he didnt step in when Rothwell started getting up unless he was WAY out of position.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mexico City will be a terrible location, the altitude will kill half of the fighters. Not a good idea at all, especially if they want a fight between two heavyweight wrestlers to be good, if it’s held there just wait for them to gas in around a minute and then we’ll be treated to the worst fight since Thales Leites lost for the title.

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by AboveThisFire on Oct 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Might be the altitude they need for it to be a fight. Cain has Cardio and Brock is 300 pounds. If anybody had an issue with the location it should be the Champ.

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by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Cain can go train with Marquez in the mountains. Wow imagine a UFC Primetime?

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$$$ idea.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Oct 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Dana fully comprehends the prison riot that is a Mexico vs America soccer match in Mexico City and how that will translate to an event where one fighter is of Mexican descent (I have been hit over the head with this fact like a 2 × 4 and the UFC will go into overdrive promoting this fact if indeed the fight does occur) and the All american midwest monster with the redneck ideals.

They might have to put a top on the octagon to protect Brock from cups of piss hurled from the “fans” down there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AiXqtHIYGWqyS9lCj4hMI0omw7YF?slug=ro-usamexico081209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bizarre

Does anyone else find this to be a bizarre comment.

“[Lesnar] is an extremely hard fight for us,” Mendez said. “We’re going to definitely have to win the standup game and the kicking game. And then the wrestling, the size of Brock could potentially neutralize us, but Cain’s cardio is going to neutralize him, so it’s going to be a really, really interesting fight.”

“Should Carwin get past Lesnar, it’s going to be a little different fight,” Mendez said. “We can’t attack the same as against Lesnar because Carwin is to be respected because of his incredible power, and his wrestling is top notch also. We will have to take a different path because he is a different fighter with different strengths.”

Doesn’t this read as if he’s saying that against Lesnar he’ll plan on trying to “win the standup game and the kicking game” and rely on superior cardio, but against Carwin he’d have to do something different because of Carwin’s “incredible power” and “top notch” wrestling? Maybe not what he intended, but it sounds to me like Cain’s camp is suggesting Cain can stand with Lesnar and not Carwin — and I can’t imagine Cain being able to stand with either of them.

by Kierkegaard on Oct 26, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing, to me Carwin and Brock have very similar strengths except Brock is better across the board.

by ufc4 on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

There starting the piss Brock off before you fight him routine. It has worked so well up to this point why break tradition

"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar

by pitbull187 on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was odd too. They are acting like Carwin would be the harder fight…

by gecko071980 on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In terms of being dangerous, I think Carwin is the more legit fear. Here’s a guy that can take power shots to the chin (see Gonzaga) and still get to his feet and deliver knockout power in a jab.

Brock caught Heath square on the chin with a running start and stil couldn’t KO him. We don’t know if Brock has KO power (I would say at this point he doesn’t). But we know Carwin does have it along with a wrestling base and solid Jits.

I think Carwin is going to destroy Lesnar.

by oasis77 on Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you sure that heath just can take a punch… Hell he broke bones with that hit…

by gecko071980 on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Anatomically, Brock didn’t hit Herring in the right spot to achieve a KO…normally. But I would say that breaking someone’s orbital bone counts as power.

Plus, I would ask Couture and Mir about the power behind Brock’s punches, both seemed to have alot of problems with his striking.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its more of a where you hit them and who your fighting type thing.. all of brocks fights they all had a tested chin, not so much for carwins.

by gecko071980 on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hit him in the eye not the chin and the punch had enough force to break Herring’s orbital bone and send up flipping over backwards all the way across the cage. Had that same punch landed on the button Herring might still be unconscious.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a bad idea… Cain will get squashed why would you do that to Mexicans, they’ve had enough heartbreak, de la hoya losing to mayweather on Cinco de mayo and then jmm losing on Mexican independence day. I thought nogueria was slated to get next title
shot.

Makes more sense for a Cain vs junior dos Santos or something for the Mexico city show while brick fights nog

by kanodogg on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Mexican hometown hero Vs The biggest American they could possibly find.

Sells itself.

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by Ubernoober on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cain's relentless wrestling won him that fight

With all 999 punches he threw none of them really seem to pack that much of a wallop.

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by funnytiger on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A heavyweight threw 999 punches in 1.2 rounds and didn’t gas, that’s pretty impressive.

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by Ubernoober on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Cain against someone who's going to give him some issues both standing and wrestling

THEN I’ll be impressed. Until then, NO COOKIE FOR HIM!

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by funnytiger on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t that Lesnar or Carwin?

by CliChe Guevara on Oct 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Lesnar than Carwin.

I think Velasquez can outwrestle Carwin. I think so. I could be wrong, but I feel like an All-American at the D-I level is probably superior at wrestling than a National Champion at the D-II level. Although, college wrestling credentials don’t always translate 1:1 into wrestling ability in MMA. Carwin has the great benefit of not having to rely heavily on his wrestling ability to this point in his UFC career, though he showed he could rely upon it in precarious situations vis a vis getting pounded by Gabriel Gonzaga. Carwin’s stand up is superior to Velasquez’s.

As for Brock, I don’t think Velasquez has much of a chance of out-wrestling him. I feel like Velasquez’s boxing is superior from a technique standpoint, but he lacks the power to threaten Lesnar on the feet. Lesnar can likely just clock Velasquez with one of his canned hams. Which isn’t to say that Carwin can’t do the exact same thing, but I think Velasquez is more likely to just sell out for the takedown immediately against Carwin, whereas he may feel his technique standing will be the stronger strategy against Brock. Granted, I think this because his trainer just said as much, but I think while that may be the best strategy, it’s likely one that will doom Velasquez to failure.

Then again, we’ve seen smaller, quicker fighters get the best of more bigger, stronger (and arguably more talented) fighters in the past. Any combination of those three makes for an intriguing fight as far as I’m concerned.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m interested in how the size of Carwin makes up for the difference in technical wrestling ability which is why I was so stoked for the fight I was supposed to watch two days ago instead of the execution of Ben Rothwell.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed, but at least we get to see Carwin v. Lesnar, which is such a great fight.

...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.

"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

by Brett Jones on Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so, I just see this fight going like this…A few punches, Lesnar doesn’t feel hes winning the exchange, takedown partially stuffed by Carwin against the cage, Brock works to finish the takedown and establishes top control, Brock smash. Repeat as necessary.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still get giggles out of 'Brock smash'

It is just so apt.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Oct 27, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cain looked good against Rothwell,

but Rothwell is nowhere near the level of competition of Carwin or Lesnar. Lesnar would more than hold his own against Cain standing & would maul him on the ground. Carwin would likely beat up Cain on the feet & I doubt Cain could take the punishment from Carwin like he did against Kongo.

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by dnevil001 on Oct 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What gives you the impression that Brock could more than handle himself standing with Cain? Cain trains at AKA and spars stand up with some of the best guys in the country.

Brock is still extremely green in the sport and is getting by on size and strength. I think he will have problems against a guy with KO power that can wrestle and has good cardio.

by oasis77 on Oct 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're forgetting speed.

Brock’s biggest weapon is the speed he has to complement his size and power.

by Razreshat on Oct 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Brock has some pretty serious power in his hands. Cain wasn’t winning the standup exchanges with Rothwell and he certainly wasn’t winning them against Kongo. As soon as Cain realizes he isn’t winning the standup he goes right to his bread and butter (not an insult by the way I find that to be intelligent fighting).

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Cain was in fact absolutely winning the standup exchanges with Big Ben. Cain got tagged maybe 2 times through out while tagging Rothwell numerous times. He was slipping in tagging him and popping back out. Even Rogan commentated that Cain was winning the exchanges. His head movement and footwork was so much better than in the Kongo fight.

*It’s a short fight, I’ve seen it about 5-6 times already. The badass entrance might also have something to do with me watching it a lot. =P

Umm, si se puede?

SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN GOT ROBBED FROM HIS LHW TITLE!!!
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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny story, my buddy leaned over to me after the fight and was like “what does that mean”? How anyone can grow up in Los Angeles and not pick up at least basic Spanish is beyond me.

I’ll have to watch the fight again as I saw it live so I couldn’t rewind but I thought at the very least Rothwell was exchanging evenly with Cain. In my opinion Cain definitely would have kept the fight standing if he thought he was winning that way to clear up the negatives thrown his way after the Kongo fight.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m more or less thinking that Cain is going to be in a world of hurt no matter who his opponent is. The size and power of both Lesnar and Carwin far outweigh anyone he has faced before……yes Kongo is a monster, but does not how to translate any of that strength into effective grappling/wrestling…..where Carwin and Lesnar do.

I forsee someone no longer being undefeated!

by soadtrails on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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